Re email from Jerry Clark notes below that John Baptist Hill b 1754 near Leonardtown, MD md abt 1778 Mary Jarboe dau of Henry Jarboe My notes state that Mary Jarboe do Henry m. John Baptist Gough and this is my back up. Can someone clarify this information??? From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Goughs Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:28 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Fw: John Baptist Gough b. bef 1725 St.Mary's Co, MD and Mary Jarboe b bef 1738 St. Mary's Co, MD Attn Dottie and the List---Linda Reno posted this some time back about a possible wife for John Baptist Gough:. > 3/11/1755-4/17/1755: Admin. accts. of John Baptist Gough, SMC. > Appraisers: Kenelm Boult, John Haskins. Creditors: John Baptist > Buckman, Philip Key. NOK: Peter Gough and Elizabeth Daft. Exec: > Robert Yates (I believe this is an error, it should read Thomas Yates--the only Robert Yates around at this time was from Charles County). > > The wife of John Baptist Gough was not a Yates. His widow married second, > Thomas Yates prior to March 11, 1755 (see above) and it is further proven > by this document: > > 7/6/1756: Admin. accts. of John Baptist Gough, SMC. Sureties: Thomas Yates, Sr., Henry Jarboe. Received from: Joseph Alvey. Payments to: Philip Key, Henry Jernegan, John Baptist Bucknam, Thomas Manley, Richard Newton, John Shanks, Mev. Lock due Lord Baltimore, Mev. Lock, John Bond, John Finch. Distribution to: Widow, 1/3 (now wife of accountant). Residue to: James Gough (age 2); John Baptist Gough (age 1). Admin.: Thomas Yates. (Admin. accts. of the Prerogative Court of Maryland, Libers, 37-45, 1754-1760 by V. L. Skinner, Jr.). NOTE: This record is not on CD #206. > > Having gone back over this family, I've had one of my "revelations." > The wife of John Baptist Gough (d. by 3/11/1755) was most likely Mary > Jarboe, daughter of Henry Jarboe, Jr. (d. 1743) and sister of Henry Jarboe > III. This Henry Jarboe III was one of the sureties for the estate of John Baptist Gough!! In addition, Mary Jarboe and John Baptist Gough (according to my relationship calculator) were half first cousins, once removed. > > Here's the will of Henry Jarboe, Jr. (father of Henry Jarboe III and Mary > Jarboe): > > Will of Henry Jarboe, SMC, 2/20/1742-43; 3/4/1742-1743. Son: Henry, > dwelling plantation. Children: Mary, James, and Stephen, personalty. > No executor named. Wit.: John Raley, Richard Mahoney, > Thomas Smart. (Maryland Calendar of Wills). > > She wasn't the daughter of Henry Jarboe III-all of his daughters and their > husbands are accounted for. signed Mike (Michael J. Gough) Question so........IF the above is correct, did John Baptist Hill b 1754* marry only Mary Gristy as I have her birthdate also abt 1755 according to when her father Clement Gristy was born, possibly married in 1754 and Mary Gristy born abt 1755??? *Dottie Himes has Mary Jarboe b abt 1723, 21 years before John Baptist Hill???? Dottie (Porter) Himes Lewisport, KY 42351 djhimes@bellsouth.net John & I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year 2009 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <ltcolmichaelj@bellsouth.net>; <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Would like the children of Thomas Hill and RebeccaMiles > These are my notes: > > Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles Family > > 1. Elizabeth Hill,b.1757 m. John Files lived in Berkeley Co Va > > > 2. John Baptist Hill b. in 1754 near Leonardtown Md. > m. @ 1778 Mary Jarboe dau of Henry Jarboe.Mary died bef.1822 > John m. Mary Gristy dau of Clement Gristy about 2/4/1823 > John Baptist Hill died 7/23/1841 in Nelson Co.Ky at the age of 87. > > > 3. Charles Hill b.in 1761 d.age 85 on 3/5/1846 m. Margaret Nichols > > > 4. Mary Hill b.1766 in SMCMD m. Jeremiah Herbert on 11/15/1786 > > > 5. Dorothy Hill b.1769 m. John Thomas Jarboe on 12/24/1791 in Nelson Co. > Ky > > > 6. Aloysia Hill b. abt 1722 m. Ignatius Clark ,son of Ignatius Clark and > Ann Fenwick. > > > 7. Clement Hill b.3/22/1776 m. Mary Hamilton on November 13,1798 > > > > Notes: > In "Sketches of the Early Catholic Missions of Kentucky" by M.J. Spalding > (1810-2872), he writes "The Catholics of the infant colonies received him > [Rev. Mr. Whelan, Irish Fransiscan Priest provided to the KY families] > with > open arms. Many of them had not seen a priest for two years. They were > poor, > scattered over an extensive territory, and had no chuch in which the > divine > mysteries might be offered up. They were in too destitute a condition to > be > able to erect ever a temporary place of worship." He goes on to state that > there were only 50 Catholic families in KY by 1786. He further states that > the Catholic population of KY emigrated almost entirely from St Mary's and > Prince George's Co, MD. William Coomes (Combs/Coombes) and his 16 yr old > son, Walter A, were the first known Catholics to emigrate to KY in > 1774-1775. The Haydons and Lancasters led the first Catholic Colony in KY, > mostly around Pottinger's Creek, abt 1785. (One of the Haydons lost 7, and > another lost 3, family members from hardship and sickness while on the way > to Kentucky.) The next spring, 1786, a larger colony of Catholics was led > by > Capt. James Rapier. In 1787, another colony led by Philip Miles and Thomes > Hill, then another in 1788 led by Robert Abel. Benedict Spalding led a > group > in 1790. > > Descendants of Jeremiah Herbert > > 1 Jeremiah Herbert b: January 26, 1738 in St. Mary's Co., MD d: 1833 in > Washington Co., KY/Warwickshire, England > .. +Mary Hill b: 1766 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: 1786 d: 1853 in Washington > Co., KY Father: Thomas Hill Mother: Rebecca Miles > 2 Francis Herbert b: February 22, 1788 > 2 Rebecca Herbert b: March 13, 1790 > ... +Jonathan Williams > 2 Elizabeth Herbert b: December 21, 1791 > 2 Eleanor Herbert b: February 22, 1794 > 2 John T. Herbert b: March 17, 1796 > 2 James Raymond Herbert b: March 06, 1800 > 2 Franklin K. Herbert b: February 14, 1802 > 2 Charles Herbert b: January 20, 1804 > 2 Mary Ann Nancy Herbert b: December 28, 1807 in Washington Co., KY d: > Aft. > 1880 in Graves Co., KY > ... +Ambrose Austin b: Bet. 1802 - 1804 in Washington Co., KY m: January > 31, 1827 in Washington Co., KY d: in Graves Co., KY Father: James Benedict > Austin Mother: Ann Nancy Howard > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of The Goughs > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:37 AM > To: stmarys rootsweb > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Would like the children of Thomas Hill and Rebecca > Miles > > Hi, I have these children for Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles: > > Descendants of Thomas x Hill > > 1 Thomas Hill b: 01 May 1723 in Wiltshire, England d: 23 > May 1820 in Cartwright's Creek, Washington Country, Kentucky > .. +Rebecca Miles b: Abt. 1736 in St. Marys Co., MD d: 18 > Mar 1783 in Montgomery Co., MD > .. 2 Clement Hill d: 13 Dec 1832 > ...... +Mary Hamilton > .. 2 Charles Hill I b: 1761 in St. Marys Co., MD d: 05 Mar > 1846 in Nelson Co., KY > ...... +Margaret Nichols > .. 2 Four Female Hill > .. 2 Harry Hill > > Is John Baptist Hill also a child of Thomas and Rebecca? Could someone > provide the names of the daughters? > > Thanks, > > Mike > > -- > Michael J. Gough > ltcolmichaelj@bellsouth.net > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Jerry and Jackie, I have this Clement Hill Biography from another site which partially describes this family. This is where I started. Mike > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Sandi Gorin [mailto:sgorin@glasgow-ky.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 8:10 AM > >To: KYBIOGRAPHIES-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: CLEMENT S HILL 10483, MARION CO > > > >I have no connection and no further information. Sandi > > > >10483 MARION CO - HILL, CLEMENT S - Hill, Miles, Pottinger, > >Cartwright, > >Hamilton, Spalding, Byrne, Chapeze, Clay, Rives > > > >#10483: Genealogy and Biography, Volume IV, 2nd edition, 1885, Marion Co. > >HON. CLEMENT S. HILL. Among the old Catholic families that at an > early period in the history of the State became identified with its > pioneer history and development, none have occupied a more conspicuous > and honorable place than the one represented by the subject of this > sketch. About the middle of the last century Thomas Hill, a member of > an old English Catholic family, immigrated to America and settled in > St. Mary's County, Md., where, abut the year 1754, he married Rebecca > Miles, a representative of another family of similar faith, who bore > him a family of seven children - three sons and four daughters. At the > beginning of the year 1787, he, with his brother-in-law, Philip Miles, > living up to that time near Leonardtown, St. Mary's Co., Md., arranged > to remove their families to Kentucky. Their proposed journey was begun > in February, and toward the end of March, on the very day they > expected to land above the falls of the Ohio, their boat was fired on > by the Indians. A negro slave of Thomas Hill was killed, besides > several horses, and he himself was seriously wounded by the passage of > an ounce ball through both of his thighs. This happened about eighteen > miles above Louisville. The boat was soon carried by the current > beyond reach of the savages' guns and before night its living freight > of men, women and children was safely housed in that town. Soon after > the entire party went to Bardstown where they remained a year, and > Thomas Hill, owing to the severity of his wounds, for a much longer > time. In March, 1788, Philip Miles and Harry Hill, son of Thomas Hill, > purchased lands in the Pottinger's Creek settlement, to which they > removed immediately and upon which they passed the remainder of their > days. Thomas Hill, after recovering from his wounds, moved from > Bardstown to Cartwright's Creek, in the spring of 1789, where he soon > purchased land and entered upon the life of farmer. He was very > zealous in his Catholic faith and was one of the chief promoters of > the strong Catholic colony which afterward centered in that locality; > and was chiefly instrumental in erecting the first house of worship > there. He labored also to provide for his children every facility for > culture that was within his means, and especially to found them > securely in the Catholic faith, and to present to them reasonable > motives for its constant and systematic practice. His death occurred > in 1820, at the ripe age of ninety-seven years, and his descendants > are numerously distributed through the South and the West. Clement > Hill, the youngest son of Thomas Hill, remained with his parents until > after his majority, when he married, in 1798, Mary Hamilton, a > daughter of Thomas Hamilton, whose cousin Leonard was the maternal > grandfather of the late Most Rev. M. J. Spalding, bishop of Louisville > and archbishop of Baltimore. In the year 1803 he removed to and opened > a farm lying within two miles of the site of the present town of > Lebanon, where he lived to the date of his death, December 13, 1832. > He was a man of exemplary faith and piety, true to the tenets of his > church, and of unquestioned integrity in all the relations of life. He > was the father of seventeen children born of one wife. Clement S. > Hill, son of Clement, to whom this sketch is chiefly dedicated, was > born on the old homestead near Lebanon, on the 13th of February 1813. > He received a thorough education at St. Mary's College, Lebanon, when > that institution was still controlled by its founder, Rev. Wm. Byrne. > He afterward taught school in different parts of the State, and > subsequently pursued the study of law under the late Benjamin Chapeze, > of Bardstown, a lawyer of great ability and a man of singular worth > and purity of character, and in the fall of 1837 was admitted to the > bar. He located at Lebanon, and, being possessed of an analytic mind > and of rare gifts as a speaker, soon secured a lucrative practice and > full recognition of his legal acquirements at the hands of the leading > lawyers of the State, among whom he soon occupied the front rank. He > continued in active practice, adding constantly to his reputation as a > successful practitioner down to 1885, feeling the effects of years of > close professional study and of active work as an advocate, he relaxed > his energies and made way for younger men. As a general practitioner > Mr. Hill has had few superiors at the Kentucky bar. To an unexampled > skill as a pleader, he had the added qualities of a strong advocate > and an exceeding aptitude in the taking of proof and the establishment > of his case. Politically Mr. Hill was formerly a Henry Clay Whig, but > since the dissolution of the Whig party has acted more or less with > political independence. He was a strong Union man during the late > civil war, and was authorized by the Government to raise a regiment > for the national defense, but was prevented by failing health from > taking the field. In 1839 he was elected on local issues to the lower > branch of the State Legislature, and in 1853, the Fifth District in > Congress, serving the full term at Washington. In his religious belief > he is a firm and ardent supporter of the Catholic faith. Since 1846 he > has resided on his farm about two miles from Lebanon, coming to the > county seat each day to attend his professional business. He was > married November 24, 1840, to Miss Alathair, daughter of Joseph > Spalding, of Marion County, who became the mother of twelve children. > Of these four only attained years of maturity: Ann Mary, Clement J. > (who died a farmer and left seven children), John B. (who died at the > age of twenty-four) and Susan (wife of H. W. Rives, a native of > Mississippi practicing law at Lebanon. Jackie King wrote: >Jerry - > >I've never done that much with the Hill family - but I can tell you >that one clue to the Elizabeth's identity is in her aunt Mary Miles >Mooney's will in which Elizabeth is identified as Elizabeth Gardner >Hill. I have never identified her husband although I have to admit I >have never really tried that much. > >I also don't have good birth years for the Hill children I do list but >the fact that is will, which was written in 1760 only names two of them >makes me wonder if there were only two Hill children by that date and >that also makes me wonder about John Baptist Hill. It's possible since >Thomas and Rebecca were married in 1753 that they had a child in 1754. I >just wonder why he wasn't included in Mary's will. > >Jackie. > >MOONEY, MARY, St Mary's Co., widow. 22 May, 1760; 8 Jun, 1761 >To bro. Josias Miles, some slaves. >To nephew Henry Hill, some slaves, and should he die without: issue, to >his sister Elizabeth Gardiner Hill. >To sister Elizabeth, >To sister Verlinda Miles, gold ring, estate not herein devised to my sister >Dorothy Miles. >To my honoured mother, during her life, and my honoured father, the other >half. >Mentions her bros. and sisters. >Extx: Sister Dorothy Miles. >Wit: Philip Key, Mev Lock. >Codicils She appoints bro. John Barton Miles, joint ex. >Wit: Wm. Joseph, Joseph Thompson. 31. 398 > >Mary Moony 76.310 SM £236.4.6 Sep 14 1761 Nov 5 1761 >(also Mary Mooney) >Appraisers: William Joseph, Clement Hill. >Creditors: Thomas James. >Next of kin: John Barton Miles, Belender Miles. >Executrix: Elisabeth Miles. > >_________ > > >Jerry L. Clark wrote: > > >>Mike >> >>One difference I have from my notes is that daughter Elizabeth Hill married >>Adam FOGLE. Not sure if I have correct Elizabeth HILL or have her placed >>correctly. Perhaps others can comment on what they have. But I have nothing >>of documented proof to place this Elizabeth under these parents. My notes >>came from Beverly Thompson Tyler >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>On Behalf Of Jerry L. Clark >>Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:26 AM >>To: ltcolmichaelj@bellsouth.net; mdstmary@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Would like the children of Thomas Hill and >>RebeccaMiles >> >>These are my notes: >> >>Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles Family >> >>1. Elizabeth Hill,b.1757 m. John Files lived in Berkeley Co Va >> >> >>2. John Baptist Hill b. in 1754 near Leonardtown Md. >>m. @ 1778 Mary Jarboe dau of Henry Jarboe.Mary died bef.1822 >>John m. Mary Gristy dau of Clement Gristy about 2/4/1823 >>John Baptist Hill died 7/23/1841 in Nelson Co.Ky at the age of 87. >> >> >>3. Charles Hill b.in 1761 d.age 85 on 3/5/1846 m. Margaret Nichols >> >> >>4. Mary Hill b.1766 in SMCMD m. Jeremiah Herbert on 11/15/1786 >> >> >>5. Dorothy Hill b.1769 m. John Thomas Jarboe on 12/24/1791 in Nelson Co. Ky >> >> >>6. Aloysia Hill b. abt 1722 m. Ignatius Clark ,son of Ignatius Clark and >>Ann Fenwick. >> >> >>7. Clement Hill b.3/22/1776 m. Mary Hamilton on November 13,1798 >> >> >> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- Michael J. Gough ltcolmichaelj@bellsouth.net

Jerry - I've never done that much with the Hill family - but I can tell you that one clue to the Elizabeth's identity is in her aunt Mary Miles Mooney's will in which Elizabeth is identified as Elizabeth Gardner Hill. I have never identified her husband although I have to admit I have never really tried that much. I also don't have good birth years for the Hill children I do list but the fact that is will, which was written in 1760 only names two of them makes me wonder if there were only two Hill children by that date and that also makes me wonder about John Baptist Hill. It's possible since Thomas and Rebecca were married in 1753 that they had a child in 1754. I just wonder why he wasn't included in Mary's will. Jackie. MOONEY, MARY, St Mary's Co., widow. 22 May, 1760; 8 Jun, 1761 To bro. Josias Miles, some slaves. To nephew Henry Hill, some slaves, and should he die without: issue, to his sister Elizabeth Gardiner Hill. To sister Elizabeth, To sister Verlinda Miles, gold ring, estate not herein devised to my sister Dorothy Miles. To my honoured mother, during her life, and my honoured father, the other half. Mentions her bros. and sisters. Extx: Sister Dorothy Miles. Wit: Philip Key, Mev Lock. Codicils She appoints bro. John Barton Miles, joint ex. Wit: Wm. Joseph, Joseph Thompson. 31. 398 Mary Moony 76.310 SM £236.4.6 Sep 14 1761 Nov 5 1761 (also Mary Mooney) Appraisers: William Joseph, Clement Hill. Creditors: Thomas James. Next of kin: John Barton Miles, Belender Miles. Executrix: Elisabeth Miles. _________ Jerry L. Clark wrote: > > Mike > > One difference I have from my notes is that daughter Elizabeth Hill married > Adam FOGLE. Not sure if I have correct Elizabeth HILL or have her placed > correctly. Perhaps others can comment on what they have. But I have nothing > of documented proof to place this Elizabeth under these parents. My notes > came from Beverly Thompson Tyler > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Jerry L. Clark > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:26 AM > To: ltcolmichaelj@bellsouth.net; mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Would like the children of Thomas Hill and > RebeccaMiles > > These are my notes: > > Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles Family > > 1. Elizabeth Hill,b.1757 m. John Files lived in Berkeley Co Va > > > 2. John Baptist Hill b. in 1754 near Leonardtown Md. > m. @ 1778 Mary Jarboe dau of Henry Jarboe.Mary died bef.1822 > John m. Mary Gristy dau of Clement Gristy about 2/4/1823 > John Baptist Hill died 7/23/1841 in Nelson Co.Ky at the age of 87. > > > 3. Charles Hill b.in 1761 d.age 85 on 3/5/1846 m. Margaret Nichols > > > 4. Mary Hill b.1766 in SMCMD m. Jeremiah Herbert on 11/15/1786 > > > 5. Dorothy Hill b.1769 m. John Thomas Jarboe on 12/24/1791 in Nelson Co. Ky > > > 6. Aloysia Hill b. abt 1722 m. Ignatius Clark ,son of Ignatius Clark and > Ann Fenwick. > > > 7. Clement Hill b.3/22/1776 m. Mary Hamilton on November 13,1798 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi, I have these children for Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles: Descendants of Thomas x Hill 1 Thomas Hill b: 01 May 1723 in Wiltshire, England d: 23 May 1820 in Cartwright's Creek, Washington Country, Kentucky .. +Rebecca Miles b: Abt. 1736 in St. Marys Co., MD d: 18 Mar 1783 in Montgomery Co., MD .. 2 Clement Hill d: 13 Dec 1832 ...... +Mary Hamilton .. 2 Charles Hill I b: 1761 in St. Marys Co., MD d: 05 Mar 1846 in Nelson Co., KY ...... +Margaret Nichols .. 2 Four Female Hill .. 2 Harry Hill Is John Baptist Hill also a child of Thomas and Rebecca? Could someone provide the names of the daughters? Thanks, Mike -- Michael J. Gough ltcolmichaelj@bellsouth.net

Mike One difference I have from my notes is that daughter Elizabeth Hill married Adam FOGLE. Not sure if I have correct Elizabeth HILL or have her placed correctly. Perhaps others can comment on what they have. But I have nothing of documented proof to place this Elizabeth under these parents. My notes came from Beverly Thompson Tyler -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry L. Clark Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:26 AM To: ltcolmichaelj@bellsouth.net; mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Would like the children of Thomas Hill and RebeccaMiles These are my notes: Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles Family 1. Elizabeth Hill,b.1757 m. John Files lived in Berkeley Co Va 2. John Baptist Hill b. in 1754 near Leonardtown Md. m. @ 1778 Mary Jarboe dau of Henry Jarboe.Mary died bef.1822 John m. Mary Gristy dau of Clement Gristy about 2/4/1823 John Baptist Hill died 7/23/1841 in Nelson Co.Ky at the age of 87. 3. Charles Hill b.in 1761 d.age 85 on 3/5/1846 m. Margaret Nichols 4. Mary Hill b.1766 in SMCMD m. Jeremiah Herbert on 11/15/1786 5. Dorothy Hill b.1769 m. John Thomas Jarboe on 12/24/1791 in Nelson Co. Ky 6. Aloysia Hill b. abt 1722 m. Ignatius Clark ,son of Ignatius Clark and Ann Fenwick. 7. Clement Hill b.3/22/1776 m. Mary Hamilton on November 13,1798

These are my notes: Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles Family 1. Elizabeth Hill,b.1757 m. John Files lived in Berkeley Co Va 2. John Baptist Hill b. in 1754 near Leonardtown Md. m. @ 1778 Mary Jarboe dau of Henry Jarboe.Mary died bef.1822 John m. Mary Gristy dau of Clement Gristy about 2/4/1823 John Baptist Hill died 7/23/1841 in Nelson Co.Ky at the age of 87. 3. Charles Hill b.in 1761 d.age 85 on 3/5/1846 m. Margaret Nichols 4. Mary Hill b.1766 in SMCMD m. Jeremiah Herbert on 11/15/1786 5. Dorothy Hill b.1769 m. John Thomas Jarboe on 12/24/1791 in Nelson Co. Ky 6. Aloysia Hill b. abt 1722 m. Ignatius Clark ,son of Ignatius Clark and Ann Fenwick. 7. Clement Hill b.3/22/1776 m. Mary Hamilton on November 13,1798 Notes: In "Sketches of the Early Catholic Missions of Kentucky" by M.J. Spalding (1810-2872), he writes "The Catholics of the infant colonies received him [Rev. Mr. Whelan, Irish Fransiscan Priest provided to the KY families] with open arms. Many of them had not seen a priest for two years. They were poor, scattered over an extensive territory, and had no chuch in which the divine mysteries might be offered up. They were in too destitute a condition to be able to erect ever a temporary place of worship." He goes on to state that there were only 50 Catholic families in KY by 1786. He further states that the Catholic population of KY emigrated almost entirely from St Mary's and Prince George's Co, MD. William Coomes (Combs/Coombes) and his 16 yr old son, Walter A, were the first known Catholics to emigrate to KY in 1774-1775. The Haydons and Lancasters led the first Catholic Colony in KY, mostly around Pottinger's Creek, abt 1785. (One of the Haydons lost 7, and another lost 3, family members from hardship and sickness while on the way to Kentucky.) The next spring, 1786, a larger colony of Catholics was led by Capt. James Rapier. In 1787, another colony led by Philip Miles and Thomes Hill, then another in 1788 led by Robert Abel. Benedict Spalding led a group in 1790. Descendants of Jeremiah Herbert 1 Jeremiah Herbert b: January 26, 1738 in St. Mary's Co., MD d: 1833 in Washington Co., KY/Warwickshire, England .. +Mary Hill b: 1766 in St. Mary's Co., MD m: 1786 d: 1853 in Washington Co., KY Father: Thomas Hill Mother: Rebecca Miles 2 Francis Herbert b: February 22, 1788 2 Rebecca Herbert b: March 13, 1790 ... +Jonathan Williams 2 Elizabeth Herbert b: December 21, 1791 2 Eleanor Herbert b: February 22, 1794 2 John T. Herbert b: March 17, 1796 2 James Raymond Herbert b: March 06, 1800 2 Franklin K. Herbert b: February 14, 1802 2 Charles Herbert b: January 20, 1804 2 Mary Ann Nancy Herbert b: December 28, 1807 in Washington Co., KY d: Aft. 1880 in Graves Co., KY ... +Ambrose Austin b: Bet. 1802 - 1804 in Washington Co., KY m: January 31, 1827 in Washington Co., KY d: in Graves Co., KY Father: James Benedict Austin Mother: Ann Nancy Howard -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Goughs Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 10:37 AM To: stmarys rootsweb Subject: [MDSTMARY] Would like the children of Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles Hi, I have these children for Thomas Hill and Rebecca Miles: Descendants of Thomas x Hill 1 Thomas Hill b: 01 May 1723 in Wiltshire, England d: 23 May 1820 in Cartwright's Creek, Washington Country, Kentucky .. +Rebecca Miles b: Abt. 1736 in St. Marys Co., MD d: 18 Mar 1783 in Montgomery Co., MD .. 2 Clement Hill d: 13 Dec 1832 ...... +Mary Hamilton .. 2 Charles Hill I b: 1761 in St. Marys Co., MD d: 05 Mar 1846 in Nelson Co., KY ...... +Margaret Nichols .. 2 Four Female Hill .. 2 Harry Hill Is John Baptist Hill also a child of Thomas and Rebecca? Could someone provide the names of the daughters? Thanks, Mike -- Michael J. Gough ltcolmichaelj@bellsouth.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone sent this to me. I was wondering if someone had seen it before: 16:210 15 December 1696 ST. M. CO MD ROBERT CARVILLE, procurator for PHILIP COX (p CV) and his wife SARAH relict and administratix of JOHN JOHNSON (SM) for self and SARAH daughter of said JOHNSON by said SARAH vs CAPT SAMUELL procurator for THOMAS COURTNEY (SM) and his wife Elinor. Mentions FOBBE ROBERTS (SM) who 20 years ago went to Holland. Said ROBERTS made Will bequeathing to nephew JOHN JOHNSON and niece ELINOR COURTNEY. Said COURTNEY detains the estate. It says John Johnson's wife SARAH married Philip Cox by 1696. It says John Johnson and Sarah had a daughter Sarah. John Johnson who died 1687 had a wife MARY and a daughter named Sarah (and one named Mary) By 1688, MARY, widow of this John Johnson remarried John Rose. John and Mary also had a son named John - he was the eldest. When Mary Rose died abt 1719 she did not mention her son John or a granddaughter named Sarah. So is the John Johnson above who died before 1696 and married a Sarah, John Johnson, Jr, son of John Johnson (died 1687) and Mary? .

Thanks, Georgi ! Kat: I received this possible answer to your question on the origin of the name "Abell's Wharf." This might be a lead. I would suggest you contact the St. Clement's Island-Potomac River Museum & see what they know. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgi" <tippit83@comcast.net> To: "David Roberts" <droberts@olg.com> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:48 PM Subject: Fw: [MDSTMARY] Abell's Wharf ?? > Hi Mr. Roberts.......I'm not saying this is the answer to the subject > question, > but you may want to look into: > > WILL of James Franklin Abell St. Mary's Co. MD > Signed 2-26-1896 > Approved 1-24-1899 > > http://files.usgwarchives.net/md/stmarys/wills/abell-jf.txt > > In Item 3rd B....dau. Lillian B. Abell....a wharf is mentioned. > > Sincerely > Georgi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Roberts" <droberts@olg.com> > To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com>; <katwoodring@yahoo.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:43 AM > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Abell's Wharf ?? > > > >I found this e-mail from Kat in my Inbox. > > > > Has anyone answered her question about the origin of the name "Abell's > > Wharf > > " ? > > > >> Do you know anything about one of the sites listed as Abell's Wharf and > > where it was and how it came to be known that? < > > > > I do know that Abell's Wharf is located near the mouth of Breton Bay on > > the > > Medley's Neck side of the Bay. There is a large sand & gravel mining > > operation there today. Much of the land there has been heavily mined & it > > looks quite different than it did when I lived in the area in the mid > > 1960s. > > > > There is also a small county park at the site. It is reached off MD 244 - > > Medley's Neck Road. > > > > I know some archaeology was done there by/under the direction of Mike > > Humphries - back in the mid/late 70s or early 80s. > > > > Kat, you might contact the St. Clement's Island-Potomac River Museum at > > Colton's Point to see what they have in their files on Abell's Wharf. > > Abell's Wharf & the research there should have come under their > > jurisdiction. They have, I believe, whatever artifacts that were uncoved > > at > > Abell's Wharf. > > > > ANYBODY KNOW THE SOURCE OF THE NAME ? > > > > Thanks ! > > > > David > > > > David Roberts > > Hollywood, MD > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "K Woodring" <katwoodring@yahoo.com> > > To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:59 AM > > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Maryland Historical Trust + Abell's Wharf > > > > > >> Thanks, David. > >> For your background on these two sources, it is always helpful to know > > the inside scoop. > >> I tended to trust the science or trained historian vs. the story > >> "handed > > down", but feel sure all of these have some validity, it's just hard to > > tell > > which one! > >> > >> Does the state have a more recent survey that would include some of > > these newer findings? > >> > >> Do you know anything about one of the sites listed as Abell's Wharf and > > where it was and how it came to be known that? > >> > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: laura2728 Surnames: Riddle, Hawker, etc. etc. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/2396.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am trying to find the relationship of this Sarah Riddle and Ambrose Cook Hawker. My John Hawker Riddle was born 1798 in MD. By dna, I am related to the Wray family where someone was fathered by one of the Riddles of Virginia, which is also related to the Riddles of NC. This is all confusing...but I know there is a connection. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Wyncoop, Benjamin. Publication 9 January 1786. Note Location: Jefferson County (Ky.). Description: 15,000 acres on the south side of the Rolling Fork adjoining John WILCOCKS 30000 acres entry. Source: VA Land Office Grants T, 1785, p. 447 (Reel 60). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - Tax Records of Kentucky: Fayette County – 7/24/1789: Aaron Wilcocks, David Willcocks, Daniel Wilcocks, Ruth Wilcocks, John Willcocks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Hardin Co. KY DEED Book A, pg. 607 Caleb Hazel to William Willcocks 9 Dec 1800 A bill of sale, know all persons whom it may concern that I Caleb Hazell in the county of Hardin for and in consideration of the sum of won (one) hundered pounds nine shillings of lawful money of Cantuckey to me in hand paid by William WILLCOCKS of Nelson County. The receipt where of I do hereby acknowledge have bargained to and delivered and by these presents according to the due form of law do bargain sell and deliver until the said William Willcocks two hundred and fifty acres of land situate lying and being on the big Southfork of Nolinn a gyming lines Richard Crale and Supee. Also three mares and two Cows & Calfs, seven sheep and head of hogs and all my household furniture and all my farming ___ to have and to hold the said bargain ____ premises unto William Willcocks his Executors administrators a sins forever and the said Caleb Hazel myself my _____ of _____ the said bargained premises unto the said William Willcocks his Eirs admos and a sign ajacent all persons shall and will warrant and forever defend by this presents. Previded nevertheless that if the said Caleb Hazel my Exor Admors or a sign of any of us do and shall will and truly pay or cause to be paid unto the said William Willcocks his Executors Administrators or asigns the sum of one hundred pounds nine shillings on the first day of October next lawful money of Cantucky then this obligation to be void and of no _____ as witness my hand and seal this ninth day of December ye 1800. Hardin County To all whom it may concern, I Benjamin Helm, Clerk of the County Court aforesaid do make known that on the day of the date hereof this instruement of writing 'called a bill of sale' from Caleb Hazel to Henry Hall was produced to me at the office and acknowledged by the said Caleb Hazel for the purpose therein _____ and that I have recorded the same in my office as required by law witness my hand this 7th day of February 1801 Ben Helm Teste William Cessna Caleb Hazel (his seal) Isaac Friend Isaac Friend **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010)

I found this e-mail from Kat in my Inbox. Has anyone answered her question about the origin of the name "Abell's Wharf " ? > Do you know anything about one of the sites listed as Abell's Wharf and where it was and how it came to be known that? < I do know that Abell's Wharf is located near the mouth of Breton Bay on the Medley's Neck side of the Bay. There is a large sand & gravel mining operation there today. Much of the land there has been heavily mined & it looks quite different than it did when I lived in the area in the mid 1960s. There is also a small county park at the site. It is reached off MD 244 - Medley's Neck Road. I know some archaeology was done there by/under the direction of Mike Humphries - back in the mid/late 70s or early 80s. Kat, you might contact the St. Clement's Island-Potomac River Museum at Colton's Point to see what they have in their files on Abell's Wharf. Abell's Wharf & the research there should have come under their jurisdiction. They have, I believe, whatever artifacts that were uncoved at Abell's Wharf. ANYBODY KNOW THE SOURCE OF THE NAME ? Thanks ! David David Roberts Hollywood, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "K Woodring" <katwoodring@yahoo.com> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Maryland Historical Trust + Abell's Wharf > Thanks, David. > For your background on these two sources, it is always helpful to know the inside scoop. > I tended to trust the science or trained historian vs. the story "handed down", but feel sure all of these have some validity, it's just hard to tell which one! > > Does the state have a more recent survey that would include some of these newer findings? > > Do you know anything about one of the sites listed as Abell's Wharf and where it was and how it came to be known that? >

List -- Does anyone know anything about this Edward Bray of St. Mary's County? 7 Jul 1696. Deed of Lease. ELIZABETH GARDNER of St. Mary's Co MD widow dau & sole heir of JOHN WEIRE late of Rappa Co gent decd for 5 shillings lease unto JEFFERY JEFFREYS of London esqr ... 2502 a. 32 perches of land in Sittenbume Parish bounded by GEORGE TAYLER, land the afsd JOHN WEIRE formerly lived on, JAMES MATHEWS & Mr. TOMLIN, granted to the said JOHN WEIRE by patent 6 Jun 1666 ... except 100 a. granted to JAMES SHIPPIE and 100 a. to WM DAVIS. ... for 1 whole year. Wit: CLEMT HILL Senr, ARTHUR SPICER, EDWARD BRAY. Ackn 4 Aug 1697. (Bk 3pg: 5) 7 Jul 1697. Deed. ELIZABETH GARDNER of St. Mary's Co MD widow dau and heiress of JOHN WEIRE late of Rappa Co gent decd for 300 pounds sold to JEFFERY JEFFERYS of London esqr ... a tr of land [same as above] ... ELIZABETH GARDNER constitutes Capt GEO TAYLER her any to ackn this deed. Wit: CLEMT HILL Senr, ARTHUR SPICER, ED BRAY. Ackn 4 Aug 1697. (Bk 3pg: 6) Ernie **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

Hello Peter T Thompson, Thank you for your email, I am always open to corrections. I have retraced my sources My sources came from MD St Mary List (pd881@netscape.net) Clements Joseph L (passargas@aol.com). As I retrace my sources, I see that the information from the Md St. Mary List in 2005 has the following, so I see MY MISTAKE, as I put the Winifred Calvert with the wrong Thomas Green b abt 1635. It should have been put with Thomas Green b. 1615. or abt 1610 according to this source below Please read the following two sources that should go with the Thomas Green b. abt 1610 or 1615 Book: Charles Co. Md, My Colonial Relations plus Others, page 115, Thomas Green married: #1 Ann Cox who was a passenger on the Ark and Dove when he came over on same. Lord Baltimore gave her a special grant of 500 acres and it states that "she was the first wife of Thomas Greene, Esq. Since they were both Catholics, we can presume Father Andrew White s.J. performed their marriage, possibly the first for a Catholic couple in MD. 1. Thomas Green b c. 1641 died prior to 1666 according to his Dads Charles Co. Deed for "Green's Inheritance" leaving no heirs. NEED INFORMATION, DID HE MARRY? #2 Millicent Browne by 4-2-1643, who died in childbirth in 1646. 2. Leonard (Greene) Green b. c. 1644 3. Robert (Greene) Green b. c. 1646 #3 Winifred (Calvert) Seyborn married in 1647 4. Francis (Greene) Green b. c. 1648 Date: 05/26/05 16:28:41 : pd881@netscape.net To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Winifred Calvert Seybourne Green Clarke This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Immigration Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/oEB.2ACE/2599 Message Board Post: ...Winifred Calvert was born Abt 1630, and died Aft Nov 1650 in Maryland. She was the daughter of Cecilius Calvert and Anne Arundell. She married Thomas Green 1647 in Saint Mary's County, Maryland Formed 1637 Created As Original Colony, son of Thomas Green and Margaret Webb. He was born Abt 1610 in Bobbing, Kent County, England, and died Bef 20 Jan 1651 in Green's Rest Plantation, Saint Mary's County, Maryland. She married Robert Clarke 1654. He was born 1610-1611 in London, London County, England. She married Seybourne. ...Mistress Winifred Seybourne emigrated to Maryland in 1638 " who by he title indicated gentle birth and likewise one who had arrived to the20 of discretion to be recognized as a feme sole in matter of ethics and business." p. 215, ...Maryland Palatinate On 30 July 1638 Lord20 Baltimore personally issued instructions for a warrant of 100 acres f Mistress Winifred Seyborne [Seaborne] for transporting herself in 163 and at the same time a warrant of 100 acres for MistressTroughan 1. business." p. 215, ...Maryland Palatinate On 30 July 1638 Lord=20 Baltimore personally issued instructions for a warrant of 100 acres f= Mistress Winifred Seyborne [Seaborne] for transporting herself in 163= and at the same time a warrant of 100 acres for=20 MistressTroughan.[Br=F8derbund WFT Vol. 16, Ed. 1, Tree #1313, Date o= Import: Oct 10, 1998] ...Mrs. Winifred Seyborn Immigrated 1638, and afterwards married Thomas=20 Green, Esq., and later Mr. Robert Clarke prior to 1654. Note below by Dottie Himes taken from above. Maiden name: Winifred Calvert Married 1st: Mr. Seybourne (Seyborn/Seyborne) Married 2nd: Thomas Green Married 3rd: Robert Clarke I see that Winifred Calvert was indeed not born in MD.....but instead in England.........but if you feel that this information is wrong as being a child of Cecil Calvert and Anne Arundell, PLEASE HELP ME TO CORRECT MY RECORDS as I found this record in Book: pg 115-116 Charles Co. MD, My colonial Relations plus others. Is there any way that I could get a copy of the "well reseached genealogy of the Calvert family that was published in the Maryland Historical Magazine? The Calvert Family is related to me many times and I DO want to have my records correct. Peter you said: I think you should check your sources. Since Cecil Calvert > and his wife Anne Arundel never came to Maryland it is hard to believe > they had a daughter born there in 1630, four years before the Ark and Dove > Adventurers arrived. I think that they had five children, none named > Winifred. They did have a daughter Mary, born in England in 1630, who > married Sir William Blakistone. There is a very well researched genealogy > of the Calvert family that was published in the Maryland Historical > Magazine. > Cheers, Pete Dotties question: Wonder if Cecil Calvert and Anne Arundel daughter Mary could have been Mary Winifred? To Peter and all the wonderful researchers on Md St. Mary list, this is the database I now show after my corrections and after going over the book again: Book: Charles Co. MD My Colonia Relations plus others. If you feel this is incorrect, please let me know. Descendants of Thomas Green, Sr, 226-24 1 [2] Thomas GREEN, Sr, 226-24 b: Abt. 1583 England .. +Margaret WEBB, 226-25, 1W b: Abt. 1583 m: Abt. 1614 2 [1] Thomas (Greene) GREEN, Jr, Governor, 226-12 b: 1615 Bobbing Manor, Kent Co, England d: Bef. 20 Jan 1651 St. Mary's Co, MD, Greens Rest Plantation Burial: 1651 St. Mary's Chapel Cemetery, St. Mary's Co, MD ... +Ann Gerrard COX, 1W b: 1610 m: Abt. 1636 d: Bef. 1638 (not sure if Gerrard could have been a Maiden name??) 3 Thomas (Greene) GREEN, III, 226-12-1, Gov. b: 1635 MD d: 18 Sep 1688 MD .... +UNKNOWN (WAS HE MARRIED?) *2nd Wife of [1] Thomas (Greene) GREEN, Jr, Governor, 226-12: ... +Millicent BROWNE, 2W b: 1630 MD m: Abt. 1637 MD d: 1646 ...........3 Leonard (Greene) GREEN, 226-12-2 b: 1637 d: 18 Sep 1688 ................. +Ann CLARKE b: 1650 ...........3 Robert GREEN, I, 226-3 b: 1646 St. Mary's Co, MD, Green's Rest, d: 12 May 1716 St. Mary's Co, MD ........... +Mary BOARMAN, (159-10-4) b: 1660 Bryantown, Charles Co, MD m: 16 Jul 1679 St. Marys Co, MD d: 1716 MD Father: William (Boerman) Boarman, Major, 159-10 (2H) Mother: Sarah (Sinle) Linle, 159-11, #1W *3rd Wife of [1] Thomas (Greene) GREEN, Jr, Governor, 226-12: ... +Winifred CALVERT, 3W b: Abt. 1630 m: Abt. 1647 d: 01 Oct 1656 MD, Father: Cecilius "Cecil" Calvert, 2LB, 3611-2-1 Mother: Anne Thomas Arundel, Lady, Countess .................3 Francis GREEN, I, Governor, 226-12-4 b: Abt. 1648 d: May 1707 MD, Greens Rest .................. +Elizabeth b: Abt. 1648 m: Abt. 1667 *2nd Wife of [2] Thomas GREEN, Sr, 226-24: .. +Jane FOGG, #2W b: Abt. 1583 m: Aft. 1615 *3rd Wife of [2] Thomas GREEN, Sr, 226-24: .. +Helen CALVERT, #3W 3611-2-9 (?? 226-25?) b: 1615 London, England m: Abt. 1623 d: 1655 Father: George Calvert, Sr, 3611-2, 1LB Mother: Ann (Mynne?) Wynne, #1W, 3611-3 ........2 Robert GREEN, 226-24-2 b: Abt. 1624 d: 1640 ............ +UNKNOWN m: Abt. 1643 ...................3 Mary Rosamond GREEN, 179-3 (226-24-2-1) b: 1644 d: Mar 1717 .................. +Patrick MCATEE, 179-2 b: Abt. 1652 m: Abt. 1679 Charles Co., MD d: Feb 1717 ........2 Leonard GREEN, 226-24-3 b: Abt. 1620 ........2 Francis GREEN, 226-24-4 b: Abt. 1628 THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR EVERYONES HELP. Dottie Porter Himes Dottie (Porter) Himes Lewisport, KY 42351 djhimes@bellsouth.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter T. Thompson" <pthomps1@swarthmore.edu> To: "Dottie Himes" <djhimes@bellsouth.net>; <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Robert Clarke immigrants > Dottie, > I think you should check your sources. Since Cecil Calvert and his wife > Anne Arundel never came to Maryland it is hard to believe they had a > daughter born there in 1630, four years before the Ark and Dove > Adventurers arrived. I think that they had five children, none named > Winifred. They did have a daughter Mary, born in England in 1630, who > married Sir William Blakistone. There is a very well researched genealogy > of the Calvert family that was published in the Maryland Historical > Magazine. > Cheers, Pete > > >>Re your posting below and the maiden name of Winifred. I have Calvert. >>Sources Md St. Mary List, and Joseph Clements. >>This is what I have in my database >> >>Descendants of Thomas (Greene) Green, III, 226-6, Gov. >> >> >> >>1 Thomas (Greene) GREEN, III, 226-6, Gov. b: 1635 MD d: 18 Sep 1688 MD >> >>.. +Winifred CALVERT, #1W b: Abt. 1630 MD m: Abt. 1645 St. Marys Co, MD d: >>01 Oct 1656 Father: Cecilius "Cecil" Calvert, 2LB, 3611-2-1 Mother: Anne >>Thomas Arundel, Lady, Countess >> >>2 Robert GREEN, I, 226-3 b: 1646 St. Mary's Co, MD, Green's Rest, d: 12 >>May >>1716 St. Mary's Co, MD >> >>... +Mary BOARMAN, (159-10-4) b: 1660 Bryantown, Charles Co, MD m: 16 Jul >>1679 St. Marys Co, MD d: 1716 MD Father: William (Boerman) Boarman, Major, >>159-10 (2H) Mother: Sarah (Sinle) Linle, 159-11, #1W >> >>2 Francis GREEN, I, Governor, 226-12-4 b: Abt. 1648 d: May 1707 MD, Greens >>Rest >> >>... +Elizabeth b: Abt. 1648 m: Abt. 1667 >> >>Dottie (Porter) Himes >>Lewisport, KY 42351 >>djhimes@bellsouth.net >> >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> >>To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:33 AM >>Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Robert Clarke immigrants >> >> >>> Robert Clarke the Surveyor Is one I have researched very Carefully. >>> >>> He was married three times. >>> >>> 1st to Unknown by which he had John Clarke born abt 1642 this John >>> Clarke >>> married Ann ?, a daughter Mary Clarke born abt 1644/45 who I have >>> married >>> to >>> John COMPTON. Some think that perhaps his 1st wife might have been an >>> Eleanor ?(this has not been proven for sure) >>> >>> >>> Robert Clarke married 2nd to Winifred Seyborne (GREENE) wether or not >>> Seyborne was her Maiden Name or a previous married name we don't know >>> for >>> sure. By this marriage he had Robert Clarke born March 1652, and Thomas >>> Clarke born 25 Dec 1654. Winifred died by 1655. This Winifred had been >>> previously married to Governor Thomas GREENE. >>> >>> Thomas Clarke born 25 Dec 1654 married twice 1st to Ann Barber, and 2nd >>> to >>> Julian MUDD. >>> >>> Most all of Thomas Clarke's children were from 1st wife Ann Barber, as >>> was >>> Adam CLARKE who married Mary Gardiner >>> >>> >>> It is my belief that the son Robert Clarke married Sarah COMBS daughter >>> of >>> Abraham Combs. I decend from Robert Clarke who married Sarah COMBS(some >>> would disagree that this Robert Clarke was the son of Robert Clarke the >>> Surveyor. Currently many people are being tested for their DNA on this >>> Robert Clarke's line, and I'm confident it is likely going to prove >>> once >>> and >>> for all his parents. We will see if he is the son of Robert Clarke the >>> Surveyor. >>> >>> >>> >>> Robert Clarke the Surveyor married third to Jane Hicks (COCKSHOOT) >>> (CAUSIN) >>> >>> By third wife he had no children they were married abt 1656 and Robert >>> Clarke the Surveyor died by 1664. >>> >>> All of this is very well documented. >>> >>> Jane Hicks married 1st to John Cockshoot, 2nd to Nicholas Causin, and >>> third >>> to Robert CLARKE the Surveyor. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of rubyslippers >>> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:15 AM >>> To: MDSTMARY@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Robert Clarke immigrants >>> >>> According to the will of Robert Clarke died 1664 and information online >>> he >>> married the widow of Thomas Greene - Mrs. Winifred Seybourne (has >>> anyone >>> determined her maiden name?) She died in 1658 and no wife was named in >>> the >> > will. His children were John born 1642, Robert born 1653, Thomas born >>> 1654 >>> and Mary. >>> >>> >>> >>> In 1647 "A" Robt Clarke gave gifts to son and daughter John and Mary >>> witnessed by Thomas Greene. In 1655 "A" Robt Clarke gave bond to Henry >>> Adams to marry widow Jane Causin. It seems to me unlikely that these >>> are >>> the same Robt Clarkes as the son John of the first one would only be 5 >>> yrs >>> old. >>> >>> >>> >>> In 1662 a Thomas Clarke gave a gift to wife Jane witnessed by a Robert >>> Clarke. Again, Thomas Clarke above would only be 8 yrs old so this has >>> to >>> be from a different Clarke family. >>> >>> >>> >>> In 1662/63 a Robert Clarke and John Clarke made sales witnessed by >>> Ignatius >>> Causine. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't see all of these people as coming from one immigrant above. >>> >>> >>> >>> Edward Barber mentioned Adam Clarke in his will of 1694 (I think he was >>> a >>> cousin?)I would expect this Adam to have been born about 1650. I find >>> it >>> hard to believe that these refer to Adam Clarke, son mentioned in the >>> will >>> of Thomas who died in 1711. That Adam is estimated to have been born >>> in >>> 1682. It seems that some wills and an Adam are missing. Thomas Clarke >>> who >>> had wife Julian made an indenture in 1709 witnessed by Adam Clarke. >>> >>> >>> >>> In his 1695 will Ignatius Crusine, son of Jane said his brother was >>> Thomas >>> and cousin was Francis Greene. What this indicates is that Robert >>> Clarke >>> that married Winifred and Robert Clarke that married Jane were >>> brothers. >>> Has anyone found an inventory or will for a 2nd Robert Clarke of this >>> generation? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Peter T. Thompson White Horse Village > email: pthomps1@swarthmore.edu 535 Gradyville Road > Department of Chemistry Newtown Square, PA Swarthmore College > 19073 Swarthmore, PA 19081-1390 phone: 610-558-2167 > fax: 610-328-7355 >

This is the will that is online on one of the Halifax NC sites: ??? Hal WB 483=3-228 Joseph Edwards 28 Sep 1783, May 1794. son Jarrott Edwards 150a. wf Maryan Edwards lands for life, at marr or death sold and $ to all my chn except Jarrott. dau Sarah Daniel. my chn Joseph Edwards, John Edwards, Peter Edwards, Mary Edwards, Sturton Edwards, Jonathan Edwards, Ann Edwards, Jesse Edwards. exrs wf and son Jarrott. wit Malicha Butt, Richard Suit, James Neal, Thomas Hall. [this is believed the Sarah Edwards md. Ambrose Daniel.] From: mcvoy_treon@hotmail.comTo: lindareno@comcast.netSubject: RE: [MDSTMARY] MoranDate: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:54:23 -0500 Linda, are you sure she wasn't a Suit. Richard Suit witnessed Joseph's will and then, in his own will, did mention that his sister and mother were still living. I had it in my records that she was a Suit and that came from other descendants. But I have no proof she is a Higgs or a Suit. Just what has been sent to me by others that she was a Suit. No verification either way. Bonnie-------------------------------------------------------> From: lindareno@comcast.net> To: mcvoy_treon@hotmail.com> Subject: Fw: [MDSTMARY] Moran> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:15:42 -0500> > After posting this, I pretty much concluded that the wife of Joseph Edwards > (d. 1794 in Halifax Co., NC) was Mary Ann Higgs. Right place, right time, > right family associations.> > Linda> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Linda Reno" <lindareno@comcast.net>> To: "Jerry Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net>; <MDSTMARY@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:52 PM> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Moran> > > > Posted by Jerry Clark, 7/4/2007:> >> > William Thomas Moran son of Gabriel Moran and Elizabeth Villett> >> > (Research):William sold his 150 acre portion of "The Four Brothers" on > > 6/9/1767 to his nephew, William Moran, son of John (Willis John). This > > deed was signed by both William Moran and his wife, "Ellinor Morran." This > > is a very important document because it reveals the name of William's wife > > and proves he is the William Moran who later lived in Halifax Co., NC, and > > named his wife, "Elenor Moran," in his Will.> >> > After selling his land in Maryland, William moved his family to Halifax > > Co., NC, appearing in the records there as a witness to a deed on > > 12/13/1768, along with his presumed brother-in-law, James Lock. He also > > appeared in court in February 1769 when the deed was proven. It is not > > known whether his family remained in Halifax Co., moved elsewhere, or > > possibly even returned to Maryland. If they were not living in Maryland > > when the Revolution began, William apparently returned there himself to > > enlist, perhaps because he felt that part of his family was in greater > > danger, or perhaps because he wanted to fight alongside other family > > members.> >> > (Halifax Co, NC. Will #558 pg.276) William Moran 20 Dec. 1796 Feb. Ct. > > 1797 wife Elenor Moran rest of my estate after debts are paid sons Bazel > > Moran, Samuel Moran, Elisha Moran and Joseph Moran 5 shillings each > > Daughters Elizabeth Moran, Elinor Moran and Susana Moran bed etc. each at > > my wife's death residue of estate after wife's death to be divided between > > William Moran, Gabrael Moran, John Moran, Mary Moran, Sarah Moran and the > > sd. Elizabeth, Elinor and Susana. Wit.: Samuel Higgs, William Harbert, > > Solomon Turner Extrs.: James Judge and Mathew Cary Whitaker> >> > NOTE: 3/21/2001:jperry from Google gave date of death on Wm Thomas Moran > > as 12/20/1796 but that's the date of the probate of his will.> > ---> > Jerry, I happened to be working on the Moran family today--one thing > > leading to another, etc. While searching at Genealogy.com, I also found > > this posting by Patrick Moran:> >> > "Hello Sandra. I respectfully disagree with a couple of your entries on > > the early American ancestry you show. For example, it is simply not > > possible for your #4 John Sr. Moran (married to Martha Russell), born > > 1775, to have been the grandson of your #2 Thomas Moran (married to Ann > > Gorman), born 1673. And, incidentally, the name of the man who married Ann > > Gorman may well not have been Thomas. The name Thomas is merely a guess - > > pure speculation; I know, because I am the one who first made that guess. > > I first listed the name on a few publications as "possibly Thomas," then > > others picked it up, but left out the "possibly."> >> > Anyway, he and Ann Gorman were the parents of two sons, Gabriel and James, > > both of whom came to America.> >> > James married Susannah (or Ann) Shirley; they were the parents of James > > Shirley Moran, who married Margaret (possibly Cunningham). No children > > have been identified from this marriage.> >> > Gabriel was born c.1691 in County Clare, Ireland; married c.1711-1714 in > > Maryland Elizabeth Villett. They had 4 children: John, Peter, Andrew, and > > William Thomas.> >> > William Thomas was born c.1727-1733 in Charles County, Maryland; married > > Eleanor Lock; and died in Jan. or Feb. of 1797 in Halifax County, North > > Carolina. They had 13 children, one of whom was James.> >> > James was born in Charles County, NC (he meant Maryland); and died > > probably a.1790/certainly a.12-20-1796. The name of his wife has not been > > determined, but he is believed to have had at least 4 children: John, > > William, Polly, and Jesse.> >> > John, son of the above James, was born in Halifax County, NC, in 1773; > > died in 1853 in Pike County, IL; and married Martha Russell in Baldwin > > County, GA., on 7-10-1810. This John is your #4 John Moran.> >> > I believe you will agree that the time line shown above is more realistic > > than the line you suggested. All of this was taken from the book "Moran > > Exodus From Offaly," which I published in 1995. If you have not had a > > chance to review the book, it may be found in many genealogical libraries, > > including the LDS Library in Salt Lake City, where it has also been > > filmed, making it available at minimum cost at any local Mormon Church > > through their microfilm loan program."> > --> >> > My first problem would be the naming of William Moran as William Thomas > > Moran. I've seen many records on this guy and never a middle name and I > > don't believe he had one.> >> > Secondly, I don't believe that the wife of William Moran was Eleanor Lock > > as stated by Patrick Moran, and there is no evidence that James Lock had a > > sister by that name.> >> > Third, there is only one record that I've found for a man named William > > Moran and he served in NC. He didn't die until 1829 and his wife was > > named Delilah.> >> > Last, but not least, I think I know who William Moran probably married. > > If you'll notice, one of the witnesses to the will of William Moran was > > Samuel Higgs. He was Samuel Higgs, Jr., son of Samuel Higgs who died > > about 1758 in St. Mary's County and his wife, Elizabeth. Here are his > > administration accounts:> >> > 8/7/1759: Admin. accts. of Samuel Higgs, SMC. Sureties: Isaac Shamwell, > > Zachariah Higgs. Received from: Isaac Shamwell, Jeremiah Higgs, John > > Watson. Payments to: Richard Cook, Alexander McFarlane, Samuel Briscoe, > > Samuel Suite, Samuel Swann, Robert Horner, James Scroggin. Distribution > > to: Widow, 1/3. Residue to (orphans): Susanna Higgs (at age); Eleanor > > Higgs (at age); Elizabeth Higgs (at age); Mary Higgs (at age); Samuel > > Higgs (age 16); Sarah Higgs (age 13); Jonathan Higgs (age 12); Mary Ann > > Higgs (age 10); Chloe Higgs (age 7). Admx.: Elizabeth Higgs. (Admin. > > accts. of the Prerogative Court of Maryland, Libers, 37-45, 1754-1760 by > > V. L. Skinner, Jr.). NOTE: This record is not on CD #206.> >> > I think the wife of William Moran was Eleanor Higgs, not Eleanor Lock. > > She named a son Samuel and she named a daughter Elizabeth.> >> > Linda Reno> >> >> >> >> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. See how. _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008

Dottie, I think you should check your sources. Since Cecil Calvert and his wife Anne Arundel never came to Maryland it is hard to believe they had a daughter born there in 1630, four years before the Ark and Dove Adventurers arrived. I think that they had five children, none named Winifred. They did have a daughter Mary, born in England in 1630, who married Sir William Blakistone. There is a very well researched genealogy of the Calvert family that was published in the Maryland Historical Magazine. Cheers, Pete >Re your posting below and the maiden name of Winifred. I have Calvert. >Sources Md St. Mary List, and Joseph Clements. >This is what I have in my database > >Descendants of Thomas (Greene) Green, III, 226-6, Gov. > > > >1 Thomas (Greene) GREEN, III, 226-6, Gov. b: 1635 MD d: 18 Sep 1688 MD > >.. +Winifred CALVERT, #1W b: Abt. 1630 MD m: Abt. 1645 St. Marys Co, MD d: >01 Oct 1656 Father: Cecilius "Cecil" Calvert, 2LB, 3611-2-1 Mother: Anne >Thomas Arundel, Lady, Countess > >2 Robert GREEN, I, 226-3 b: 1646 St. Mary's Co, MD, Green's Rest, d: 12 May >1716 St. Mary's Co, MD > >... +Mary BOARMAN, (159-10-4) b: 1660 Bryantown, Charles Co, MD m: 16 Jul >1679 St. Marys Co, MD d: 1716 MD Father: William (Boerman) Boarman, Major, >159-10 (2H) Mother: Sarah (Sinle) Linle, 159-11, #1W > >2 Francis GREEN, I, Governor, 226-12-4 b: Abt. 1648 d: May 1707 MD, Greens >Rest > >... +Elizabeth b: Abt. 1648 m: Abt. 1667 > >Dottie (Porter) Himes >Lewisport, KY 42351 >djhimes@bellsouth.net > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> >To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:33 AM >Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Robert Clarke immigrants > > >> Robert Clarke the Surveyor Is one I have researched very Carefully. >> >> He was married three times. >> >> 1st to Unknown by which he had John Clarke born abt 1642 this John Clarke >> married Ann ?, a daughter Mary Clarke born abt 1644/45 who I have married >> to >> John COMPTON. Some think that perhaps his 1st wife might have been an >> Eleanor ?(this has not been proven for sure) >> >> >> Robert Clarke married 2nd to Winifred Seyborne (GREENE) wether or not >> Seyborne was her Maiden Name or a previous married name we don't know for >> sure. By this marriage he had Robert Clarke born March 1652, and Thomas >> Clarke born 25 Dec 1654. Winifred died by 1655. This Winifred had been >> previously married to Governor Thomas GREENE. >> >> Thomas Clarke born 25 Dec 1654 married twice 1st to Ann Barber, and 2nd to >> Julian MUDD. >> >> Most all of Thomas Clarke's children were from 1st wife Ann Barber, as was >> Adam CLARKE who married Mary Gardiner >> >> >> It is my belief that the son Robert Clarke married Sarah COMBS daughter of >> Abraham Combs. I decend from Robert Clarke who married Sarah COMBS(some >> would disagree that this Robert Clarke was the son of Robert Clarke the >> Surveyor. Currently many people are being tested for their DNA on this >> Robert Clarke's line, and I'm confident it is likely going to prove once >> and >> for all his parents. We will see if he is the son of Robert Clarke the >> Surveyor. >> >> >> >> Robert Clarke the Surveyor married third to Jane Hicks (COCKSHOOT) >> (CAUSIN) >> >> By third wife he had no children they were married abt 1656 and Robert >> Clarke the Surveyor died by 1664. >> >> All of this is very well documented. >> >> Jane Hicks married 1st to John Cockshoot, 2nd to Nicholas Causin, and >> third >> to Robert CLARKE the Surveyor. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of rubyslippers >> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 8:15 AM >> To: MDSTMARY@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Robert Clarke immigrants >> >> According to the will of Robert Clarke died 1664 and information online he >> married the widow of Thomas Greene - Mrs. Winifred Seybourne (has anyone >> determined her maiden name?) She died in 1658 and no wife was named in the > > will. His children were John born 1642, Robert born 1653, Thomas born >> 1654 >> and Mary. >> >> >> >> In 1647 "A" Robt Clarke gave gifts to son and daughter John and Mary >> witnessed by Thomas Greene. In 1655 "A" Robt Clarke gave bond to Henry >> Adams to marry widow Jane Causin. It seems to me unlikely that these are >> the same Robt Clarkes as the son John of the first one would only be 5 yrs >> old. >> >> >> >> In 1662 a Thomas Clarke gave a gift to wife Jane witnessed by a Robert >> Clarke. Again, Thomas Clarke above would only be 8 yrs old so this has to >> be from a different Clarke family. >> >> >> >> In 1662/63 a Robert Clarke and John Clarke made sales witnessed by >> Ignatius >> Causine. >> >> >> >> I don't see all of these people as coming from one immigrant above. >> >> >> >> Edward Barber mentioned Adam Clarke in his will of 1694 (I think he was a >> cousin?)I would expect this Adam to have been born about 1650. I find it >> hard to believe that these refer to Adam Clarke, son mentioned in the will >> of Thomas who died in 1711. That Adam is estimated to have been born in >> 1682. It seems that some wills and an Adam are missing. Thomas Clarke who >> had wife Julian made an indenture in 1709 witnessed by Adam Clarke. >> >> >> >> In his 1695 will Ignatius Crusine, son of Jane said his brother was Thomas >> and cousin was Francis Greene. What this indicates is that Robert Clarke >> that married Winifred and Robert Clarke that married Jane were brothers. >> Has anyone found an inventory or will for a 2nd Robert Clarke of this >> generation? >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Peter T. 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Posted by Jerry Clark, 7/4/2007: William Thomas Moran son of Gabriel Moran and Elizabeth Villett (Research):William sold his 150 acre portion of "The Four Brothers" on 6/9/1767 to his nephew, William Moran, son of John (Willis John). This deed was signed by both William Moran and his wife, "Ellinor Morran." This is a very important document because it reveals the name of William's wife and proves he is the William Moran who later lived in Halifax Co., NC, and named his wife, "Elenor Moran," in his Will. After selling his land in Maryland, William moved his family to Halifax Co., NC, appearing in the records there as a witness to a deed on 12/13/1768, along with his presumed brother-in-law, James Lock. He also appeared in court in February 1769 when the deed was proven. It is not known whether his family remained in Halifax Co., moved elsewhere, or possibly even returned to Maryland. If they were not living in Maryland when the Revolution began, William apparently returned there himself to enlist, perhaps because he felt that part of his family was in greater danger, or perhaps because he wanted to fight alongside other family members. (Halifax Co, NC. Will #558 pg.276) William Moran 20 Dec. 1796 Feb. Ct. 1797 wife Elenor Moran rest of my estate after debts are paid sons Bazel Moran, Samuel Moran, Elisha Moran and Joseph Moran 5 shillings each Daughters Elizabeth Moran, Elinor Moran and Susana Moran bed etc. each at my wife's death residue of estate after wife's death to be divided between William Moran, Gabrael Moran, John Moran, Mary Moran, Sarah Moran and the sd. Elizabeth, Elinor and Susana. Wit.: Samuel Higgs, William Harbert, Solomon Turner Extrs.: James Judge and Mathew Cary Whitaker NOTE: 3/21/2001:jperry from Google gave date of death on Wm Thomas Moran as 12/20/1796 but that's the date of the probate of his will. --- Jerry, I happened to be working on the Moran family today--one thing leading to another, etc. While searching at Genealogy.com, I also found this posting by Patrick Moran: "Hello Sandra. I respectfully disagree with a couple of your entries on the early American ancestry you show. For example, it is simply not possible for your #4 John Sr. Moran (married to Martha Russell), born 1775, to have been the grandson of your #2 Thomas Moran (married to Ann Gorman), born 1673. And, incidentally, the name of the man who married Ann Gorman may well not have been Thomas. The name Thomas is merely a guess - pure speculation; I know, because I am the one who first made that guess. I first listed the name on a few publications as "possibly Thomas," then others picked it up, but left out the "possibly." Anyway, he and Ann Gorman were the parents of two sons, Gabriel and James, both of whom came to America. James married Susannah (or Ann) Shirley; they were the parents of James Shirley Moran, who married Margaret (possibly Cunningham). No children have been identified from this marriage. Gabriel was born c.1691 in County Clare, Ireland; married c.1711-1714 in Maryland Elizabeth Villett. They had 4 children: John, Peter, Andrew, and William Thomas. William Thomas was born c.1727-1733 in Charles County, Maryland; married Eleanor Lock; and died in Jan. or Feb. of 1797 in Halifax County, North Carolina. They had 13 children, one of whom was James. James was born in Charles County, NC (he meant Maryland); and died probably a.1790/certainly a.12-20-1796. The name of his wife has not been determined, but he is believed to have had at least 4 children: John, William, Polly, and Jesse. John, son of the above James, was born in Halifax County, NC, in 1773; died in 1853 in Pike County, IL; and married Martha Russell in Baldwin County, GA., on 7-10-1810. This John is your #4 John Moran. I believe you will agree that the time line shown above is more realistic than the line you suggested. All of this was taken from the book "Moran Exodus From Offaly," which I published in 1995. If you have not had a chance to review the book, it may be found in many genealogical libraries, including the LDS Library in Salt Lake City, where it has also been filmed, making it available at minimum cost at any local Mormon Church through their microfilm loan program." -- My first problem would be the naming of William Moran as William Thomas Moran. I've seen many records on this guy and never a middle name and I don't believe he had one. Secondly, I don't believe that the wife of William Moran was Eleanor Lock as stated by Patrick Moran, and there is no evidence that James Lock had a sister by that name. Third, there is only one record that I've found for a man named William Moran and he served in NC. He didn't die until 1829 and his wife was named Delilah. Last, but not least, I think I know who William Moran probably married. If you'll notice, one of the witnesses to the will of William Moran was Samuel Higgs. He was Samuel Higgs, Jr., son of Samuel Higgs who died about 1758 in St. Mary's County and his wife, Elizabeth. Here are his administration accounts: 8/7/1759: Admin. accts. of Samuel Higgs, SMC. Sureties: Isaac Shamwell, Zachariah Higgs. Received from: Isaac Shamwell, Jeremiah Higgs, John Watson. Payments to: Richard Cook, Alexander McFarlane, Samuel Briscoe, Samuel Suite, Samuel Swann, Robert Horner, James Scroggin. Distribution to: Widow, 1/3. Residue to (orphans): Susanna Higgs (at age); Eleanor Higgs (at age); Elizabeth Higgs (at age); Mary Higgs (at age); Samuel Higgs (age 16); Sarah Higgs (age 13); Jonathan Higgs (age 12); Mary Ann Higgs (age 10); Chloe Higgs (age 7). Admx.: Elizabeth Higgs. (Admin. accts. of the Prerogative Court of Maryland, Libers, 37-45, 1754-1760 by V. L. Skinner, Jr.). NOTE: This record is not on CD #206. I think the wife of William Moran was Eleanor Higgs, not Eleanor Lock. She named a son Samuel and she named a daughter Elizabeth. Linda Reno

Suite correction I was thinking the grandson of Thomas Suite, Sr. was named in Thomas Sr.'s will as "John Dent Suite" of Thomas, but I was mistaken--now that I have looked at it again--it just says "Grandson: Dent Suit of Thomas..." Will of Thomas Suite, SMC 10/16/1765-11/4/1771. Children: Dent, Thomas, Ann Noe. Grandson: Dent Suite of Thomas. Granddaughter: Sarah Edwards of Joseph Edwards. Exec: Daughter-in-law, Mary Bright. Wit: Hezekiah Turner, Nathaniel Suite, Samuel Cooksey Barron. (Maryland Calendar of Wills). Was this grandson possibly the "Dent Suit" who was found in Granville Co in 1790? Did Thomas Suite, Jr. move to NC? (s/o Thomas Suite, Sr. and possibly Crhistian Dent.) And was the man named "John Dent Suite" who died in 1795 in SMC possibly the "John" who was son of Dent (of Thomas Sr) and brother of Benjamin and the Thomas Suite who married Susannah Reeder. Maybe the Dent Suite who was the son of Thomas (and father of Benjamin) may have just stayed in MD since he died 1792 and that would explain why their is one in NC and one in SMC in 1790. Does anyone know who Thomas Suite, Jr. married? Was Richafrd Suite who d. Halifax Co NC 1801 his son? I think the Thomas who married Susanna Reeder was s/o Dent and brother of Benjamin and John. Who was the "John Dent Suite" who died 1795 in SMC? Was he this John who was brother of Benjamin and Thomas? Thanks for any help with this. B. Treon _________________________________________________________________ Get more done, have more fun, and stay more connected with Windows Mobile®. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642556/direct/01/

A few years ago, I found an old blue book in the Rowan County NC library called St. Mary's Wills that mentioned a 1680 will for a man named Benjamin Suit in St. Mary's Co. MD. Who was he? Does anyone know how to get a copy of this will? (Ref: pg182=ST.MARY'S WILLS 1662-1960A ) This was just an index, but I would love to see this will or a transcription. I have seen mentiion of a Thomas and William Suite and a Richard Shute in VA in the mid 1600's, but this Benjamin is the only will I have seen mentioned actually in St. Mary's Co. Does anyone have access to this record? Thanks. B. Treon _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008

Hello. I have some Suit and Dent questions: I am working on the family of Dent Suit who died in 1792 who was father of Benjamin. This "Dent Suit" (Suite) had a wife named "Eleanor" yet I see some people say her name was "Eunice"--were there 2 different wives of this Dent? **Where did Eunice come from? This "Dent Suit" was s/o the elder Thomas Suite, d. 1765 (and maybe Christian Dent.) He had a brother named Thomas and a brother named John and a sister. According to Dent's father, Thomas Suite (Sr.)'s will, Dent had a brother Thomas (Jr.) who had a son named "John Dent Suite." Question-- Was this "grandson" of the elder Thomas Suite, the same man who died in St. Mary's Co MD in 1795 who was named J"ohn Dent Suit"?? This John Dent Suit's will was very vague--leaving everything to his wife and not mentioning any children or relatives? In the 1780's a man named "Dent Suit" had a deposition taken at his home relating to Cooksey. Not long after, we see a man also named "Dent Suit" and some other Suit's showing up Granville Co NC by 1786. Was this Dent Suite in Granville co NC, the SAME "Dent Suite" who was father of Benjamin? My confusion is this question I have: **If so, did he come back to MD in 1790--or were there 2 different Dent Suit men? If different, then who was the man named "Dent Suit" in Granville Co NC? Who were his parents? Was he the John Suit who married Susannah Locke? I ask this because we see one man named "Dent Suit" in 1790 census records in Granville Co NC, and then also see one in St.Mary;s in 1790. Was this the SAME man who returned to MD that same year? We do know that the Dent Suit who was father of Benjamin died in 1792 with a will in SMC. Did the son of the ELDER man named Thomas Suite, Sr. (d.1765) who was named Thomas Suite (Jr.) possibly go to Halifax Co NC before the Revolution?) What happened to Thomas and who were his children? If so, was Thomas Suite, Jr. (who was his wife??)--(or Samuel Suite who was in Northhampton Co NC) possibly the father of Richard Suite (d. 1801 & had wife Rebeckah) and Mary Ann (probably Suit) Edwards, widow of Joseph Edwards (from SMC to Halifax NC)? I have so many questions as it seems there were a few men who went by "Dent Suit"? B. Treon _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008

This should answer the question of an adult leaving/giving a gift to an infant. It was done all the time. Shirley Middleton Moller PGLR CC2:617 At the request of Joseph Sim the 3rd the following Deed was recorded May the tenth Seventeen hundred & Twenty Nine This Indenture made this tenth day of May in the year of our Lord One thousand Seven hundred & twenty Nine Between Joseph Sim of Prince Georges County in the State of Maryland of the one part and Joseph Sim an Infant and Grandson to said Joseph & son to Patrick & Mary Sim of the County & State afore= =said of the other part Witnesseth that the said Joseph Sim as well for and in Consideration of the Natural Love and Affection which he the said Joseph Sim has for his Grandson Joseph Sim as also the sum of Five Shillings Current Money paid to him by Patrick Sim Father to the said Joseph Sim an Infant as aforesaid the Receipt whereof the said Joseph Sim doth hereby Acknowledge and there from Acquit and Discharge the sd Joseph Sim an Infant his heirs Executors & Administrators and every of them by these presents Hath given granted bargained sold Aliened released enfeoffed Confirmed & made over and by these presents doth give Grant bargain Sell Alien Release enfeoff Confirm & Make over unto the said Joseph Sim an Infant as aforesaid all that part of a Tract of Land Called Sim's Delight Lying Situate and being in Prince Georges County, etc.....