Barack Obama also descends from Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton through Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. through their daughter Eltonhead Conway and Henry Thacker, Sr. He descends from Martha Thacker that married Thomas Hickman. Martha is a sister to my Henry Thacker, Jr who married Elizabeth Payne.   This is written by Gary Boyd Roberts from NEGHS Articles :   "The best royal descent for Edward FitzRandolph is from William the Lion, King of Scotland, who died in 1214, via an illegitimate daughter, Isabel of Scotland, who married Magna Charta Surety Robert de Ros. The male line of the FitzRandolph/FitzRandall/ FitzRanulph/FitzRalph family is one of the very few that can be traced before the Norman conquest of 1066. The best royal descent of Martha Eltonhead Conway is almost certainly from Edward I, King of England (died 1307) through the Bohun, FitzAlan, Goushill, Stanley, Savage, Bold, Gerard, and Eltonhead families of medieval and early modern England."   "As some of the above connections make clear, Senator Obama has a large number of distant notable cousins. The easiest to trace are the FitzRandolph, Duvall, and Eltonhead descendants. "   "Eltonhead descendants include Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot Lee, signers of the Declaration of Independence, Continental Congress President Cyrus Griffin, Supreme Court Chief Justice Edward Douglass White, Jr., novelist John Dos Passos, Secretary of State Edward Riley Stettinus, Jr., and the wives of Revolutionary statesman Gouverneur Morris, Francis Scott Key, Edwin McMasters Stanton (Lincoln’s Secretary of War), and Senator Harry Flood Byrd. Kinships to living notables are now being traced. Tantalizing possibilities we wish to confirm further include astronaut John Glenn, actor Brad Pitt, filmmaker John Waters, and musicians Justin Timberlake and Loudon and Rufus Wainwright."    Written by Gary Boyd Roberts   Marianne Dillow

For anyone who might be interested and would like three records of gifts left to Eltonhead Conway, daughter of Edwin Conway and Martha Eltonhead.  She married Henry Thacker, Sr.   (1) 7 June 1648 Elinor, the wife of (2) husnband... Capt. William Brocas, Esqr. with consent of her husband, gives, for natural love and affection to Eltonhead the Daughter of Edwin and Martha Connaway my Neece and god daughter a mare colt 2 months old to be delivered to her at 16 or day of marriage. When the first colt is foaled then the mare to go to Edwin Conway and the colt to his daughter. Signed: W. Brocas, Elinor Brocas Wit: Wm. Eltonhead, (Eltonhed), John Blake   (2) 7 May 1653: Ladie Agatha Chicheley (Eltonhead) made a gift of a cow, Lancaster Co., Va. in consifderation of the love and affection I bear unto my niece, Eltonhead Conway, ye daughter of Edwin Conway and if the said Eltonhead dies I give the cow to my sister Martha the wife of Edwin Conway.   (3) There was a gift from Col. John Carter of Rapn river in the Cointy of Lancaster in Virginia, 1656, calls her niece. Col. John Carter is the first husband of Eleanor Eltonhead, aunt to Eltonhead Conway.     These p'sents witnesseth that I Col. John Carter of Rapn River in the County of Lancaster in Virginia Seq for ye love that I bear towards my niece Eltonhead the Daughter of Edwyn Connaway have been granted and assigned and have given order to be delivered and do by these p'sents give grant assign and deliver unto Edwyn Connaway for ye use if ye said Eltonhead the oldest heifer that I have in ye possession and ye plantation of William Lucas on ye South Side of Rapn River coloured red and a flower de luce on both ears, To have and to hold ye said heifer with all her increase both male and female unto her ye said Eltonhead Connaway her heirs Exers admirs and Assn forever without ye lawful let or disturbance of any pson or psons whatsoever In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand ye 9th day of April al Dom 1656. Signed : John Carter   Marianne Dillow  

11/11/1787: Bapt., at Newtown, Elex'us, child of Joseph and Sarah Price. GP: John Baptist Price and John Fear's dau. or wife (this surname is probably, Tear--LDR). (Jesuit Missions). Eleanor Price, dau. of same, bapt. 6/6/1790. Jesuit Missions, GP: John Payne and Elizabeth Gough. Ignatius, son of same, bapt. 5/20/1794. Jesuit Missions, GP: Anna Price. That's all I have. This family disappears. KY maybe? Samuel Smith is probably the same as Samuel E. Smith who m. Elizabeth Bending and went to KY where he died in Washington Co. about 1822. Unfortunately I have nothing that ties these people together. Descendants of Samuel E. Smith Generation No. 1 1. SAMUEL E.2 SMITH (SMITH1) was born 1759 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died Bef. 08 Apr 1822 in Washington Co., KY. He married ELIZABETH BENDING Bef. 1785 in St. Mary's Co., MD, daughter of JOHN BENDING and MONICA. She was born 1762 in St. Mary's Co., MD, and died Aft. 1792. Children of SAMUEL SMITH and ELIZABETH BENDING are: i. JOANNA3 SMITH, b. 1786, St. Mary's Co., MD. ii. SAMUEL E. SMITH, JR., b. 1790, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Bef. 1850, Marion Co., KY; m. NANCY CUSIC, 31 Jul 1823, Washington Co., KY; b. 1810, St. Mary's Co., MD; d. Aft. 1850, Marion Co., KY. iii. JOANNEM SMITH, b. 1792, St. Mary's Co., MD. iv. ANNA SMITH, b. Bef. 1791; d. Aft. 1806; m. BARTON MATTINGLY, 12 Aug 1806, Washington Co., KY; b. Bef. 1786; d. Aft. 1806. v. JANE SMITH, b. Bef. 1804; d. Aft. 1819; m. JOHN DANT, 20 Apr 1819, Washington Co., KY; b. Bef. 1799, KY; d. Aft. 1819. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John Baptist Howard > Do we have more details on these people? > > > 13 May 1792 James Corbin of James & wife >> Sponsors: son and daughter of John B Howard > > I wonder if this was an error and is really James Corbett rather than > James > CORBIN. > >> >> 13 May 1792 Joseph Price of Joseph & Sarah >> Sponsors: Samuel Smith and Mrs John B Howard. > > > But who is Joseph PRICE of Joseph Price and Sarah ? > > And who is Samuel SMITH? > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Reno > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:58 AM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John Baptist Howard > > Jerry, > > I'd have to go with John Baptist Howard, but only because I show no wife > and > > children for John Basil Howard. > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> > To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:54 AM > Subject: [MDSTMARY] John Baptist Howard > > >> Linda Reno, >> >> >> I found this little tidbit in "Catholic Families of Southern Maryland". >> >> I don't really know what to make of it - not even sure this would pertain >> to >> My John Baptist Howard, but I think so. >> >> Register of Baptisms and Marriages, St Francis Xavier & St Inigoes, SMC >> MD >> >> 13 May 1792 James Corbin of James & wife >> Sponsors: son and daughter of John B Howard >> >> >> 13 May 1792 Joseph Price of Joseph & Sarah >> Sponsors: Samuel Smith and Mrs John B Howard. >> >> >> I do believe John Baptist HOWARD was married twice, 1st to ? and 2nd to >> Elizabeth JOHNSON daughter of David JOHNSON. >> >> >> I suppose these records could also be referring to John Basil HOWARD son >> of >> Gabriel HOWARD and Susanna SPALDING. >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You will find this with many familys that were in Va. before the "English Civil War" that started in 1642. While searching thru the Cavaliers and Pioneers for my Bowles line I found it stopped in 1641 and started again in 1651 in Northumberland Co,Va. My Lawson side of the family did the same thing, but when they came back to Va. in 1650 they came to Lancaster Co, Va. Even though my Bowles line imigrated to Maryland in 1650, they were in Northumberland Co, Va. in 1651. Edward died in Charles Co, Md in 1659 and John Bowles died in Charles Co, Md. in 1675 after he married Margary Batten. For more on this war you might want to research "Oliver Cromwell " . Your Fleete, Walkers, Argalls tie into my Lawsons line, some of the others tie into my Bowles line. Leathel, "Cavalier" is chiefly associated with the Royalist supporters of King Charles I in his struggle with Parliament in the English Civil War. At first appears as a term of reproach and contempt, applied by the opponents of King Charles I during the summer of 1642: CAVALIERS AND PIONEERS Abstracts of Virginia Patents and Grants 1623-1766 Abstracted and Indexed by Nell Marion Nugent Virginia Land Office, Richmond, Va. The First English Civil War (1642-1646) commenced the series of three wars known as the English Civil War (or "Wars"). "The English Civil War" was a series of armed conflicts and political machinations which took place between Parliamentarians and Royalists from 1642 until 1651, and includes the Second English Civil War (1648-1649) and the Third English Civil War (1649-1651). The English Civil War (1642-1651) was a series of armed conflicts and political machinations between Parliamentarians and Royalists. The first (1642-1646) and second (1648-1649) civil wars pitted the supporters of King Charles I against the supporters of the Long Parliament, while the third war (1649-1651) saw fighting between supporters of King Charles II and supporters of the Rump Parliament. The Civil War ended with the Parliamentary victory at the Battle of Worcester on 3 September 1651. The Civil War led to the trial and execution of Charles I, the exile of his son, Charles II, and replacement of English monarchy with first, the Commonwealth of England (1649-1653), and then with a Protectorate (1653-1659), under Oliver Cromwell's personal rule. The monopoly of the Church of England on Christian worship in England ended with the victors consolidating the established Protestant Ascendancy in Ireland. Constitutionally, the wars established the precedent that an English monarch cannot govern without Parliament's consent, although this concept was established only with the Glorious Revolution later in the century. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne dillow" <mdillow31@verizon.net> To: <MDSTMARY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:09 PM Subject: [MDSTMARY] Connections From England to Virginia and Maryland I recently posted on two "separate" family lines of grandparents of my Mother's lineages from England to Virginia on other mailing lists. Richard Eltonhead and Ann Sutton Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. Eltonhead Conway and Henry Thacker, Sr. Henry Thacker, Jr. and Elizabeth Payne..... Elizabeth Payne's parents are John Payne, Jr. and Ann Walker daughter of my 9th great grandfather, Col. John Walker , 1st wife unknown and married 2nd to Sarah Fleete who is the "widow" of Col. Henry Fleete, Sr. I do not have a Fleete grandparent that I know of. These later generations are in Old Rappahannock and Lancaster counties in Virginia which I have researched the records in those counties.. also: Sir Reginald Scott and Mary Tuke dau of Brian Tuke Mary Scott and Sir Richard Argall Elizabeth Argall and Edward Filmer Katherine Filmer and Robert Barham, Jr. Ann Filmer and Richard Bennett, Jr of Isle of Wight, Co., Va. I descend from their son Richard Bennett, Jr. These are records I have researched in Virginia. My Mother 's parents are first cousins and each of the lineages above are the result of this. Each lineage from each parent. Also, Henry Fleete, Sr. was in both Old Rappahannock, Lancaster and Richmond counties in Va. He died about 1661. They had a son Henry Fleete who died in 1728 in Virginia. Henry Fleete, Sr., widow, Sarah Fleete married my 9th great grandfather Col. John Walker (see above). Henry Fleete II , will dated 1728 in Lancaster Co., Va. The will was winessed by my Conway family namely, Edwin Conway, Ann Conway and Edwin Conway, Jr. Henry Fleete, Sr. is the son of William Fleete II of Chatham, Kent and Deborah Scott. Deborah 's will in 1651/52 in Middlesex, England names the Filmer family. Her parents are Charles Scott and Jane or Joan Wyatt. Charles Scott is the son of Sir Reginald Scott whose daughter Mary married Richard Argall. (See above). Sir Samuel Argall descends from this family and was one of the Governor's of Virginia that captured Pocahantes. This is what happens when your grandparents are first cousins. :) It also shows how the English intermarried and settled Virginia. It might also be lineages of others on this list in Maryland. Marianne Dillow ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jerry, I'd have to go with John Baptist Howard, but only because I show no wife and children for John Basil Howard. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] John Baptist Howard > Linda Reno, > > > I found this little tidbit in "Catholic Families of Southern Maryland". > > I don't really know what to make of it - not even sure this would pertain > to > My John Baptist Howard, but I think so. > > Register of Baptisms and Marriages, St Francis Xavier & St Inigoes, SMC MD > > 13 May 1792 James Corbin of James & wife > Sponsors: son and daughter of John B Howard > > > 13 May 1792 Joseph Price of Joseph & Sarah > Sponsors: Samuel Smith and Mrs John B Howard. > > > I do believe John Baptist HOWARD was married twice, 1st to ? and 2nd to > Elizabeth JOHNSON daughter of David JOHNSON. > > > I suppose these records could also be referring to John Basil HOWARD son > of > Gabriel HOWARD and Susanna SPALDING. > > What do you think? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do we have more details on these people? 13 May 1792 James Corbin of James & wife > Sponsors: son and daughter of John B Howard I wonder if this was an error and is really James Corbett rather than James CORBIN. > > 13 May 1792 Joseph Price of Joseph & Sarah > Sponsors: Samuel Smith and Mrs John B Howard. But who is Joseph PRICE of Joseph Price and Sarah ? And who is Samuel SMITH? -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Reno Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 7:58 AM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John Baptist Howard Jerry, I'd have to go with John Baptist Howard, but only because I show no wife and children for John Basil Howard. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:54 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] John Baptist Howard > Linda Reno, > > > I found this little tidbit in "Catholic Families of Southern Maryland". > > I don't really know what to make of it - not even sure this would pertain > to > My John Baptist Howard, but I think so. > > Register of Baptisms and Marriages, St Francis Xavier & St Inigoes, SMC MD > > 13 May 1792 James Corbin of James & wife > Sponsors: son and daughter of John B Howard > > > 13 May 1792 Joseph Price of Joseph & Sarah > Sponsors: Samuel Smith and Mrs John B Howard. > > > I do believe John Baptist HOWARD was married twice, 1st to ? and 2nd to > Elizabeth JOHNSON daughter of David JOHNSON. > > > I suppose these records could also be referring to John Basil HOWARD son > of > Gabriel HOWARD and Susanna SPALDING. > > What do you think? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Linda Reno, I found this little tidbit in "Catholic Families of Southern Maryland". I don't really know what to make of it - not even sure this would pertain to My John Baptist Howard, but I think so. Register of Baptisms and Marriages, St Francis Xavier & St Inigoes, SMC MD 13 May 1792 James Corbin of James & wife Sponsors: son and daughter of John B Howard 13 May 1792 Joseph Price of Joseph & Sarah Sponsors: Samuel Smith and Mrs John B Howard. I do believe John Baptist HOWARD was married twice, 1st to ? and 2nd to Elizabeth JOHNSON daughter of David JOHNSON. I suppose these records could also be referring to John Basil HOWARD son of Gabriel HOWARD and Susanna SPALDING. What do you think?

Linda Reno I was reviewing this will for clues and noticed phrase: To son James Greenwell, Tract wheron Wm. Medcalf now dwells What can you tell me about this William Medcalf his spouse or children? Could it be possible that Eleanor ? wife of John Basil GREENWELL was an Eleanor Medcalf?? If not I wonder if there is another connection with William Medcalf. Maryland Calendar of Wills Greenwell, John Basil, St. Mary's County10 Sept. 1761 13 Oct, 1761 to son Joshua Greenwell, 100 Acres called Evans Quarter, wheron I now dwell, after wife Eleanor Greenwell dies, and in case of no such heirs, then to son James Greenwell and heirs., and in case no issue, then to Richard Langhorn Clark, son on law to him forever. To son James Greenwell, Tract wheron Wm. Medcalf now dwells, called Piles Wood Lane, 200 acres., and if he died without issue, to son Joshua Greenwell. To son James Greenwell, Slaves. To Daughter., in law(unnamed) and son in law Richard Clark, 7001lbs of Tobacco. Extrx. Wife. Witnesses: Monia Medley, Mary Norris, James Pike. Is this the same William Medcalf he refers to in his will? Madcaif, William, St. Mary's Co.,18th Jan., 1733-4 ; 1st Meh., 1733. To son George and hrs., dwelling plantation "son John and hrs., tract at head of Bretan's Bay, formerly belonging to Peter Smeth. " son William and hrs, tract bought of Peter Smeth (having a, judgment in court for it, and cannot possess it until James Persons is of age). " son Ignatius and sons afsd., personalty, afsd. lands and personalty to be delivered to four sons as they come to age of 21. " wife Susannah, extx., residue of estate. Test: Thomas Wootton, John Howard, Margret Dun.20. 889. And could the John HOWARD mentioned in this will be John Baptist HOWARD? Also I'm trying to recall another document that mentions Margaret DUNN There are connections to DUNN family with John Baptist HOWARD.

I realize that many already know these connections but I find it very interesting how my Virginia grandparents siblings intermarried with those who come from Maryland.   My 4th great grandparents are Vivion Daniel who married Elizabeth Vivion.  Vivion parents are James Daniel and Margaret  Vivion. They were in Middlesex County, Va and Vivion Daniel moved to Kentucky.  Margaret is the daughter of John Vivion and Margaret Smith.   One of Vivion Daniel's brother's is Peter Daniel who married Sarah Travers daughter of Rawleigh Travers and Hannah Ball.  Peter Daniel and Sarah Travers  son is Travers Daniel who married Frances Moncure and their son is  Dr. John Moncure Daniel who married Margaret Stone  which leads to the Stone's and to Dr. Gustavus Browne and Frances Fowke of Maryland among others.   Hannah Ball is linked to my Conway line : Col. Edwin Conway III who married Anne Ball daughter of Joseph Ball and Elizabeth Romney.  He is the grandson of my 9th great grandparents Edwin Conway, Sr. and Martha Eltonhead.  The Conway line plus Alice Eltonhead, that married Henry Corbin, sister to my Martha Eltonhead, leads to this:   James Madison was the Fourth President of the United States. His term was from March 1809 to 1817. He is also the cousin of the 12th president, Zachary Taylor. He connects two ways to President George Washington: Edwin Conway (James' first cousin twice removed) married Ann Ball (half sister) of Mary Ball Washington, Mother of President George Washington. Also: Colonel Francis Thornton III (James' first cousin twice removed) married Francis Gregory, first cousin of President George Washington. Her mother Mildred Washington, is the sister of Augustine Washington. (Georges' Father.)   Also, my grandmother Martha Eltonhead that married Edwin Conway, Sr. sister Alice Eltonhead marreied Henry Corbin which the Lee's of Virginia  descends to  Richard Henry Lee and Francis Lightfoot Lee, two signers of the Declaration of Independence and Gen. Robert E. Lee among others.   Plus Hannah Ball's sister Frances married John Carter son of Thomas Carter and Katherine Dale.  I have A Dale line from Virginia but haven't connected it to this one as I am still researching that one.   This world is smaller than what we think and it definitely shows the connections between the Virginia and Maryland families who had descendants that also moved to Kentucky.   Marianne Dillow

I recently posted on two "separate" family lines of grandparents of my Mother's lineages from England to Virginia on other mailing lists.    Richard Eltonhead and Ann Sutton Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, Sr. Eltonhead Conway and Henry Thacker, Sr. Henry Thacker, Jr. and Elizabeth Payne..... Elizabeth Payne's  parents are John Payne, Jr. and Ann Walker daughter of  my 9th great grandfather, Col. John Walker , 1st wife unknown and married 2nd to Sarah Fleete who is the "widow" of Col. Henry Fleete, Sr.  I do not have a Fleete grandparent that I know of. These later generations are in Old Rappahannock and Lancaster counties in Virginia which I have researched the records in those counties..   also:   Sir Reginald Scott and Mary Tuke dau of Brian Tuke Mary Scott and Sir Richard Argall Elizabeth Argall and Edward Filmer Katherine Filmer and Robert Barham, Jr. Ann Filmer and Richard Bennett, Jr of Isle of Wight, Co., Va. I descend from their son Richard Bennett, Jr.  These are records I have researched in Virginia.   My Mother 's parents are first cousins and each of the lineages above are the result of this. Each lineage from each parent.   Also, Henry Fleete, Sr. was in both Old Rappahannock, Lancaster and Richmond counties in Va. He died about 1661.  They had a son Henry Fleete who died  in 1728 in Virginia.  Henry Fleete, Sr., widow, Sarah Fleete married my 9th great grandfather Col. John Walker (see above).  Henry Fleete II , will dated 1728 in Lancaster Co., Va. The will  was winessed by my Conway family namely, Edwin Conway, Ann Conway and Edwin Conway, Jr.   Henry Fleete, Sr. is the son of William Fleete II of Chatham, Kent and Deborah Scott.  Deborah 's will in 1651/52  in Middlesex, England names the Filmer family. Her  parents are Charles Scott and Jane or Joan Wyatt. Charles Scott is the son of Sir Reginald Scott whose daughter Mary married Richard Argall. (See above). Sir Samuel Argall descends from this family and was one of the Governor's of Virginia that captured Pocahantes.   This is what happens when your grandparents are first cousins. :)  It also shows how the English intermarried and settled Virginia.  It might also be lineages of others on this list in Maryland.   Marianne Dillow 

Rubyslippers, I'm not understanding the problems here. I don't see anything wrong with your post. I'm hoping people aren't trying to attack you but just trying to help. I thought your info was helpful to sort out the relationships with the Barber's--so many with the same names and the generations are difficult to keep straight. This stuff is not easy. Don't lose faith. Patty rubyslippers wrote: > Sorry. There is nothing in the archives discussing Andrew Norton and this > issue. There is a June 30, 2007 thread where Linda Reno wrote "Edward Barber > and Rebecca White had a son named Edward White Barber". Below is Andrew > Norton and a Luke Barber. > > I'm sorry that my application of logic seems to have upset people. It is > more helpful to give concrete evidence of why something that appears > illogical is correct than to attack someone's logical observation. > > What I "sense" is this list isn't receptive to questions. Sorry I asked > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Norma Lundgren > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:19 PM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > It is also a very good idea to stop applying today's "sense" > to standards and definitions of 300 to 350 years ago. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> > To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > > >> Luke who died in 1674 left son Edward Lukeland. So Edward >> who dies in 1694 >> (married to Cibbell) must have had "unborn child" Luke who >> died in 1739 left >> Luckland to Cornelius and Edward. Edward who died in >> 1769 left Luckland to >> son Barnet - this lineage I can understand. >> Luke-Edward-Luke-Edward-Barnet >> >> So Luke was born 1694 or after. Below, Andrew Norton in >> 1712 has brother in >> law Luke through his marriage to a White. He appoints him >> as backup to take >> care of his 7 yr old son and has him witness his will. If >> it was this >> Edward's son Luke he would be barely 18 yrs old. It makes >> more sense that >> the Luke who is his brother in law is Luke, eldest son of >> Dr Luke the >> immigrant who married the White. >> >> >> Norton., Andrew, planter, Charles County, 10th Aug., 1712; >> formerly of Fairfield Stope Parish, So. Britain, 1st Aug., >> 1717. >> To son Cornelius, ex., and hrs., all estate lying in >> Fairfield afsd. >> purchased of one Burk by testator's father and coveyed by >> him to testator, >> the conveyances being left in hands of kinsman Wm. >> Morwood, of Burbige >> Green, near Buxton, in Darbyshire, also residue of estate, >> real and >> personal, in South Britain, Maryland, or elsewhere, and >> personalty. >> To Anne Cope and goddaughter Ann, dau. of Rebecca Duplex, >> personalty. >> Test. appoints father-in-law Cornelius White, gent., of >> Charles County, >> guardian and trustee for son during minority, he being 7 >> yrs. old 2nd of >> Feb. last. In case of decease of sd. guardian, test. >> appoints his >> brother-in-law, Luke Barber, to act in his place. >> Test. describes himself as eld. son and heir of Andrew >> Norton, Sr., yeoman, >> of Fairfield afsd.., and states that it has been 13 yrs. >> since his leaving >> Cheshire and arrival in this province. He directs that he >> be buried in the >> garden of his dwel. place, as near as may be to his late >> wife. >> Test: Rich. Jenkin, Charles Jones, Rebecca Duplex, Luke >> Barber, 14. 500. >> Note-In probate on this will Rebecca Duplex has become >> Rebecca Cumberbitch >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Linda Reno >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:54 AM >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber >> >> Luke Barber m. Rebecca White and their son was Edward >> White Barber. He died >> >> in 1770. >> >> Will of Edward Barber, SMC 6/9/1769-2/2/1770. Son: >> Barnet, plantation I now >> >> live on being pt. of "Luckland" and several slaves. >> Daughter: Price Barber, >> >> 200 lbs. to be raised out of my estate in the non-age of >> children and >> several slaves. Son: Luke, pt. of "Westham" which I >> bought of Henry Green; >> a bond for 330 lbs. sterling money from brother Cornelius >> provided brother >> Cornelius will convey to sd. son Luke the half tract >> bought of Thomas >> Hungerford in Charles Co. Slaves, etc. to be equally >> divided among 3 >> aforementioned children. Execs: Brother, Cornelius Barber >> and son, Barnet. >> Wit: Thomas Barber, Thomas Allen, Henry Morris. (Maryland >> Calendar of >> Wills). >> >> Linda Reno >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> >> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:59 PM >> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber >> >> >> >>> I sat down and charted the various lines from Dr Luke >>> Barber and wondered >>> if >>> someone has proof about Edward Barber, son of Edward who >>> married Cibbell. >>> >>> >>> >>> I know that online people have him listed as marrying >>> Sarah Myvert but >>> when >>> I charted it all out based on wills, etc that Edward who >>> died in 1764 and >>> married Sarah came out to be son of Luke and Rebecca and >>> brother to >>> Baptist, >>> Cornelius and Dorothy Greenfield. >>> >>> >>> >>> Edward, brother of Luke (who married Rebecca) must have >>> been mentioned in >>> Luke's 1739 will because I made a note that he must have >>> died after 1739. >>> >>> >>> >>> Has anyone ever found an inventory for him or will? Any >>> proof of children? >>> There is also a Thomas Barber listed on records after >>> 1743 at a time when >>> Thomas, son of Thomas had died that I have no knowledge >>> of so I'm assuming >>> he must be a son of this Edward? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It is also a very good idea to stop applying today's "sense" to standards and definitions of 300 to 350 years ago. ============================================= Or even fifty years ago! R/ DEC405

Sorry. There is nothing in the archives discussing Andrew Norton and this issue. There is a June 30, 2007 thread where Linda Reno wrote "Edward Barber and Rebecca White had a son named Edward White Barber". Below is Andrew Norton and a Luke Barber. I'm sorry that my application of logic seems to have upset people. It is more helpful to give concrete evidence of why something that appears illogical is correct than to attack someone's logical observation. What I "sense" is this list isn't receptive to questions. Sorry I asked -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Norma Lundgren Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:19 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber It is also a very good idea to stop applying today's "sense" to standards and definitions of 300 to 350 years ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > Luke who died in 1674 left son Edward Lukeland. So Edward > who dies in 1694 > (married to Cibbell) must have had "unborn child" Luke who > died in 1739 left > Luckland to Cornelius and Edward. Edward who died in > 1769 left Luckland to > son Barnet - this lineage I can understand. > Luke-Edward-Luke-Edward-Barnet > > So Luke was born 1694 or after. Below, Andrew Norton in > 1712 has brother in > law Luke through his marriage to a White. He appoints him > as backup to take > care of his 7 yr old son and has him witness his will. If > it was this > Edward's son Luke he would be barely 18 yrs old. It makes > more sense that > the Luke who is his brother in law is Luke, eldest son of > Dr Luke the > immigrant who married the White. > > > Norton., Andrew, planter, Charles County, 10th Aug., 1712; > formerly of Fairfield Stope Parish, So. Britain, 1st Aug., > 1717. > To son Cornelius, ex., and hrs., all estate lying in > Fairfield afsd. > purchased of one Burk by testator's father and coveyed by > him to testator, > the conveyances being left in hands of kinsman Wm. > Morwood, of Burbige > Green, near Buxton, in Darbyshire, also residue of estate, > real and > personal, in South Britain, Maryland, or elsewhere, and > personalty. > To Anne Cope and goddaughter Ann, dau. of Rebecca Duplex, > personalty. > Test. appoints father-in-law Cornelius White, gent., of > Charles County, > guardian and trustee for son during minority, he being 7 > yrs. old 2nd of > Feb. last. In case of decease of sd. guardian, test. > appoints his > brother-in-law, Luke Barber, to act in his place. > Test. describes himself as eld. son and heir of Andrew > Norton, Sr., yeoman, > of Fairfield afsd.., and states that it has been 13 yrs. > since his leaving > Cheshire and arrival in this province. He directs that he > be buried in the > garden of his dwel. place, as near as may be to his late > wife. > Test: Rich. Jenkin, Charles Jones, Rebecca Duplex, Luke > Barber, 14. 500. > Note-In probate on this will Rebecca Duplex has become > Rebecca Cumberbitch > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Reno > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:54 AM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > Luke Barber m. Rebecca White and their son was Edward > White Barber. He died > > in 1770. > > Will of Edward Barber, SMC 6/9/1769-2/2/1770. Son: > Barnet, plantation I now > > live on being pt. of "Luckland" and several slaves. > Daughter: Price Barber, > > 200 lbs. to be raised out of my estate in the non-age of > children and > several slaves. Son: Luke, pt. of "Westham" which I > bought of Henry Green; > a bond for 330 lbs. sterling money from brother Cornelius > provided brother > Cornelius will convey to sd. son Luke the half tract > bought of Thomas > Hungerford in Charles Co. Slaves, etc. to be equally > divided among 3 > aforementioned children. Execs: Brother, Cornelius Barber > and son, Barnet. > Wit: Thomas Barber, Thomas Allen, Henry Morris. (Maryland > Calendar of > Wills). > > Linda Reno > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> > To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:59 PM > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > >>I sat down and charted the various lines from Dr Luke >>Barber and wondered >>if >> someone has proof about Edward Barber, son of Edward who >> married Cibbell. >> >> >> >> I know that online people have him listed as marrying >> Sarah Myvert but >> when >> I charted it all out based on wills, etc that Edward who >> died in 1764 and >> married Sarah came out to be son of Luke and Rebecca and >> brother to >> Baptist, >> Cornelius and Dorothy Greenfield. >> >> >> >> Edward, brother of Luke (who married Rebecca) must have >> been mentioned in >> Luke's 1739 will because I made a note that he must have >> died after 1739. >> >> >> >> Has anyone ever found an inventory for him or will? Any >> proof of children? >> There is also a Thomas Barber listed on records after >> 1743 at a time when >> Thomas, son of Thomas had died that I have no knowledge >> of so I'm assuming >> he must be a son of this Edward? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can only speak for myself, but I KNOW this list is the "BEST" list on Rootsweb. Linda, Norma and all of US put much time and effort into it and help one another always. I suggested the archives of this list knowing they are full of info, and felt it would be really helpful to you. Have a Merry Christmas, Shirley Middleton Moller ----- Original Message ----- From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> To: "'Norma Lundgren'" <nlndgrn@sbcglobal.net>; <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > Sorry. There is nothing in the archives discussing Andrew Norton and this > issue. There is a June 30, 2007 thread where Linda Reno wrote "Edward > Barber > and Rebecca White had a son named Edward White Barber". Below is Andrew > Norton and a Luke Barber. > > I'm sorry that my application of logic seems to have upset people. It is > more helpful to give concrete evidence of why something that appears > illogical is correct than to attack someone's logical observation. > > What I "sense" is this list isn't receptive to questions. Sorry I asked > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Norma Lundgren > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 2:19 PM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > It is also a very good idea to stop applying today's "sense" > to standards and definitions of 300 to 350 years ago. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> > To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > >> Luke who died in 1674 left son Edward Lukeland. So Edward >> who dies in 1694 >> (married to Cibbell) must have had "unborn child" Luke who >> died in 1739 left >> Luckland to Cornelius and Edward. Edward who died in >> 1769 left Luckland to >> son Barnet - this lineage I can understand. >> Luke-Edward-Luke-Edward-Barnet >> >> So Luke was born 1694 or after. Below, Andrew Norton in >> 1712 has brother in >> law Luke through his marriage to a White. He appoints him >> as backup to take >> care of his 7 yr old son and has him witness his will. If >> it was this >> Edward's son Luke he would be barely 18 yrs old. It makes >> more sense that >> the Luke who is his brother in law is Luke, eldest son of >> Dr Luke the >> immigrant who married the White. >> >> >> Norton., Andrew, planter, Charles County, 10th Aug., 1712; >> formerly of Fairfield Stope Parish, So. Britain, 1st Aug., >> 1717. >> To son Cornelius, ex., and hrs., all estate lying in >> Fairfield afsd. >> purchased of one Burk by testator's father and coveyed by >> him to testator, >> the conveyances being left in hands of kinsman Wm. >> Morwood, of Burbige >> Green, near Buxton, in Darbyshire, also residue of estate, >> real and >> personal, in South Britain, Maryland, or elsewhere, and >> personalty. >> To Anne Cope and goddaughter Ann, dau. of Rebecca Duplex, >> personalty. >> Test. appoints father-in-law Cornelius White, gent., of >> Charles County, >> guardian and trustee for son during minority, he being 7 >> yrs. old 2nd of >> Feb. last. In case of decease of sd. guardian, test. >> appoints his >> brother-in-law, Luke Barber, to act in his place. >> Test. describes himself as eld. son and heir of Andrew >> Norton, Sr., yeoman, >> of Fairfield afsd.., and states that it has been 13 yrs. >> since his leaving >> Cheshire and arrival in this province. He directs that he >> be buried in the >> garden of his dwel. place, as near as may be to his late >> wife. >> Test: Rich. Jenkin, Charles Jones, Rebecca Duplex, Luke >> Barber, 14. 500. >> Note-In probate on this will Rebecca Duplex has become >> Rebecca Cumberbitch >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Linda Reno >> Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:54 AM >> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber >> >> Luke Barber m. Rebecca White and their son was Edward >> White Barber. He died >> >> in 1770. >> >> Will of Edward Barber, SMC 6/9/1769-2/2/1770. Son: >> Barnet, plantation I now >> >> live on being pt. of "Luckland" and several slaves. >> Daughter: Price Barber, >> >> 200 lbs. to be raised out of my estate in the non-age of >> children and >> several slaves. Son: Luke, pt. of "Westham" which I >> bought of Henry Green; >> a bond for 330 lbs. sterling money from brother Cornelius >> provided brother >> Cornelius will convey to sd. son Luke the half tract >> bought of Thomas >> Hungerford in Charles Co. Slaves, etc. to be equally >> divided among 3 >> aforementioned children. Execs: Brother, Cornelius Barber >> and son, Barnet. >> Wit: Thomas Barber, Thomas Allen, Henry Morris. (Maryland >> Calendar of >> Wills). >> >> Linda Reno >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> >> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:59 PM >> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber >> >> >>>I sat down and charted the various lines from Dr Luke >>>Barber and wondered >>>if >>> someone has proof about Edward Barber, son of Edward who >>> married Cibbell. >>> >>> >>> >>> I know that online people have him listed as marrying >>> Sarah Myvert but >>> when >>> I charted it all out based on wills, etc that Edward who >>> died in 1764 and >>> married Sarah came out to be son of Luke and Rebecca and >>> brother to >>> Baptist, >>> Cornelius and Dorothy Greenfield. >>> >>> >>> >>> Edward, brother of Luke (who married Rebecca) must have >>> been mentioned in >>> Luke's 1739 will because I made a note that he must have >>> died after 1739. >>> >>> >>> >>> Has anyone ever found an inventory for him or will? Any >>> proof of children? >>> There is also a Thomas Barber listed on records after >>> 1743 at a time when >>> Thomas, son of Thomas had died that I have no knowledge >>> of so I'm assuming >>> he must be a son of this Edward? >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Luke who died in 1674 left son Edward Lukeland. So Edward who dies in 1694 (married to Cibbell) must have had "unborn child" Luke who died in 1739 left Luckland to Cornelius and Edward. Edward who died in 1769 left Luckland to son Barnet - this lineage I can understand. Luke-Edward-Luke-Edward-Barnet So Luke was born 1694 or after. Below, Andrew Norton in 1712 has brother in law Luke through his marriage to a White. He appoints him as backup to take care of his 7 yr old son and has him witness his will. If it was this Edward's son Luke he would be barely 18 yrs old. It makes more sense that the Luke who is his brother in law is Luke, eldest son of Dr Luke the immigrant who married the White. Norton., Andrew, planter, Charles County, 10th Aug., 1712; formerly of Fairfield Stope Parish, So. Britain, 1st Aug., 1717. To son Cornelius, ex., and hrs., all estate lying in Fairfield afsd. purchased of one Burk by testator's father and coveyed by him to testator, the conveyances being left in hands of kinsman Wm. Morwood, of Burbige Green, near Buxton, in Darbyshire, also residue of estate, real and personal, in South Britain, Maryland, or elsewhere, and personalty. To Anne Cope and goddaughter Ann, dau. of Rebecca Duplex, personalty. Test. appoints father-in-law Cornelius White, gent., of Charles County, guardian and trustee for son during minority, he being 7 yrs. old 2nd of Feb. last. In case of decease of sd. guardian, test. appoints his brother-in-law, Luke Barber, to act in his place. Test. describes himself as eld. son and heir of Andrew Norton, Sr., yeoman, of Fairfield afsd.., and states that it has been 13 yrs. since his leaving Cheshire and arrival in this province. He directs that he be buried in the garden of his dwel. place, as near as may be to his late wife. Test: Rich. Jenkin, Charles Jones, Rebecca Duplex, Luke Barber, 14. 500. Note-In probate on this will Rebecca Duplex has become Rebecca Cumberbitch -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Linda Reno Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:54 AM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber Luke Barber m. Rebecca White and their son was Edward White Barber. He died in 1770. Will of Edward Barber, SMC 6/9/1769-2/2/1770. Son: Barnet, plantation I now live on being pt. of "Luckland" and several slaves. Daughter: Price Barber, 200 lbs. to be raised out of my estate in the non-age of children and several slaves. Son: Luke, pt. of "Westham" which I bought of Henry Green; a bond for 330 lbs. sterling money from brother Cornelius provided brother Cornelius will convey to sd. son Luke the half tract bought of Thomas Hungerford in Charles Co. Slaves, etc. to be equally divided among 3 aforementioned children. Execs: Brother, Cornelius Barber and son, Barnet. Wit: Thomas Barber, Thomas Allen, Henry Morris. (Maryland Calendar of Wills). Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber >I sat down and charted the various lines from Dr Luke Barber and wondered >if > someone has proof about Edward Barber, son of Edward who married Cibbell. > > > > I know that online people have him listed as marrying Sarah Myvert but > when > I charted it all out based on wills, etc that Edward who died in 1764 and > married Sarah came out to be son of Luke and Rebecca and brother to > Baptist, > Cornelius and Dorothy Greenfield. > > > > Edward, brother of Luke (who married Rebecca) must have been mentioned in > Luke's 1739 will because I made a note that he must have died after 1739. > > > > Has anyone ever found an inventory for him or will? Any proof of children? > There is also a Thomas Barber listed on records after 1743 at a time when > Thomas, son of Thomas had died that I have no knowledge of so I'm assuming > he must be a son of this Edward? > > > > Thanks > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is also a very good idea to stop applying today's "sense" to standards and definitions of 300 to 350 years ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > Luke who died in 1674 left son Edward Lukeland. So Edward > who dies in 1694 > (married to Cibbell) must have had "unborn child" Luke who > died in 1739 left > Luckland to Cornelius and Edward. Edward who died in > 1769 left Luckland to > son Barnet - this lineage I can understand. > Luke-Edward-Luke-Edward-Barnet > > So Luke was born 1694 or after. Below, Andrew Norton in > 1712 has brother in > law Luke through his marriage to a White. He appoints him > as backup to take > care of his 7 yr old son and has him witness his will. If > it was this > Edward's son Luke he would be barely 18 yrs old. It makes > more sense that > the Luke who is his brother in law is Luke, eldest son of > Dr Luke the > immigrant who married the White. > > > Norton., Andrew, planter, Charles County, 10th Aug., 1712; > formerly of Fairfield Stope Parish, So. Britain, 1st Aug., > 1717. > To son Cornelius, ex., and hrs., all estate lying in > Fairfield afsd. > purchased of one Burk by testator's father and coveyed by > him to testator, > the conveyances being left in hands of kinsman Wm. > Morwood, of Burbige > Green, near Buxton, in Darbyshire, also residue of estate, > real and > personal, in South Britain, Maryland, or elsewhere, and > personalty. > To Anne Cope and goddaughter Ann, dau. of Rebecca Duplex, > personalty. > Test. appoints father-in-law Cornelius White, gent., of > Charles County, > guardian and trustee for son during minority, he being 7 > yrs. old 2nd of > Feb. last. In case of decease of sd. guardian, test. > appoints his > brother-in-law, Luke Barber, to act in his place. > Test. describes himself as eld. son and heir of Andrew > Norton, Sr., yeoman, > of Fairfield afsd.., and states that it has been 13 yrs. > since his leaving > Cheshire and arrival in this province. He directs that he > be buried in the > garden of his dwel. place, as near as may be to his late > wife. > Test: Rich. Jenkin, Charles Jones, Rebecca Duplex, Luke > Barber, 14. 500. > Note-In probate on this will Rebecca Duplex has become > Rebecca Cumberbitch > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Reno > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:54 AM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > Luke Barber m. Rebecca White and their son was Edward > White Barber. He died > > in 1770. > > Will of Edward Barber, SMC 6/9/1769-2/2/1770. Son: > Barnet, plantation I now > > live on being pt. of "Luckland" and several slaves. > Daughter: Price Barber, > > 200 lbs. to be raised out of my estate in the non-age of > children and > several slaves. Son: Luke, pt. of "Westham" which I > bought of Henry Green; > a bond for 330 lbs. sterling money from brother Cornelius > provided brother > Cornelius will convey to sd. son Luke the half tract > bought of Thomas > Hungerford in Charles Co. Slaves, etc. to be equally > divided among 3 > aforementioned children. Execs: Brother, Cornelius Barber > and son, Barnet. > Wit: Thomas Barber, Thomas Allen, Henry Morris. (Maryland > Calendar of > Wills). > > Linda Reno > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> > To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:59 PM > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > >>I sat down and charted the various lines from Dr Luke >>Barber and wondered >>if >> someone has proof about Edward Barber, son of Edward who >> married Cibbell. >> >> >> >> I know that online people have him listed as marrying >> Sarah Myvert but >> when >> I charted it all out based on wills, etc that Edward who >> died in 1764 and >> married Sarah came out to be son of Luke and Rebecca and >> brother to >> Baptist, >> Cornelius and Dorothy Greenfield. >> >> >> >> Edward, brother of Luke (who married Rebecca) must have >> been mentioned in >> Luke's 1739 will because I made a note that he must have >> died after 1739. >> >> >> >> Has anyone ever found an inventory for him or will? Any >> proof of children? >> There is also a Thomas Barber listed on records after >> 1743 at a time when >> Thomas, son of Thomas had died that I have no knowledge >> of so I'm assuming >> he must be a son of this Edward? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message

Rubyslippers, I suggest that you check out the archived messages for this list. I'm sure it will hold much info on this family. Merry Christmas, Shirley Middleton Muller ----- Original Message ----- From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > Luke who died in 1674 left son Edward Lukeland. So Edward who dies in 1694 > (married to Cibbell) must have had "unborn child" Luke who died in 1739 > left > Luckland to Cornelius and Edward. Edward who died in 1769 left Luckland > to > son Barnet - this lineage I can understand. > Luke-Edward-Luke-Edward-Barnet > > So Luke was born 1694 or after. Below, Andrew Norton in 1712 has brother > in > law Luke through his marriage to a White. He appoints him as backup to > take > care of his 7 yr old son and has him witness his will. If it was this > Edward's son Luke he would be barely 18 yrs old. It makes more sense that > the Luke who is his brother in law is Luke, eldest son of Dr Luke the > immigrant who married the White. > > > Norton., Andrew, planter, Charles County, 10th Aug., 1712; > formerly of Fairfield Stope Parish, So. Britain, 1st Aug., 1717. > To son Cornelius, ex., and hrs., all estate lying in Fairfield afsd. > purchased of one Burk by testator's father and coveyed by him to testator, > the conveyances being left in hands of kinsman Wm. Morwood, of Burbige > Green, near Buxton, in Darbyshire, also residue of estate, real and > personal, in South Britain, Maryland, or elsewhere, and personalty. > To Anne Cope and goddaughter Ann, dau. of Rebecca Duplex, personalty. > Test. appoints father-in-law Cornelius White, gent., of Charles County, > guardian and trustee for son during minority, he being 7 yrs. old 2nd of > Feb. last. In case of decease of sd. guardian, test. appoints his > brother-in-law, Luke Barber, to act in his place. > Test. describes himself as eld. son and heir of Andrew Norton, Sr., > yeoman, > of Fairfield afsd.., and states that it has been 13 yrs. since his leaving > Cheshire and arrival in this province. He directs that he be buried in the > garden of his dwel. place, as near as may be to his late wife. > Test: Rich. Jenkin, Charles Jones, Rebecca Duplex, Luke Barber, 14. 500. > Note-In probate on this will Rebecca Duplex has become Rebecca Cumberbitch > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Linda Reno > Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:54 AM > To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > Luke Barber m. Rebecca White and their son was Edward White Barber. He > died > > in 1770. > > Will of Edward Barber, SMC 6/9/1769-2/2/1770. Son: Barnet, plantation I > now > > live on being pt. of "Luckland" and several slaves. Daughter: Price > Barber, > > 200 lbs. to be raised out of my estate in the non-age of children and > several slaves. Son: Luke, pt. of "Westham" which I bought of Henry > Green; > a bond for 330 lbs. sterling money from brother Cornelius provided brother > Cornelius will convey to sd. son Luke the half tract bought of Thomas > Hungerford in Charles Co. Slaves, etc. to be equally divided among 3 > aforementioned children. Execs: Brother, Cornelius Barber and son, > Barnet. > Wit: Thomas Barber, Thomas Allen, Henry Morris. (Maryland Calendar of > Wills). > > Linda Reno > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rubyslippers" <rubyslippers@kc.rr.com> > To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 12:59 PM > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Edward Barber > > >>I sat down and charted the various lines from Dr Luke Barber and wondered >>if >> someone has proof about Edward Barber, son of Edward who married Cibbell. >> >> >> >> I know that online people have him listed as marrying Sarah Myvert but >> when >> I charted it all out based on wills, etc that Edward who died in 1764 and >> married Sarah came out to be son of Luke and Rebecca and brother to >> Baptist, >> Cornelius and Dorothy Greenfield. >> >> >> >> Edward, brother of Luke (who married Rebecca) must have been mentioned in >> Luke's 1739 will because I made a note that he must have died after 1739. >> >> >> >> Has anyone ever found an inventory for him or will? Any proof of >> children? >> There is also a Thomas Barber listed on records after 1743 at a time when >> Thomas, son of Thomas had died that I have no knowledge of so I'm >> assuming >> he must be a son of this Edward? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Linda. I didn't have him as a son, yet I kept seeing it on people's websites. I am going to send for the will of the Briscoe Davis who d. in Craven Co and see if it doesn't shed some clue. Bonnie -----------> From: lindareno@comcast.net> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:06:51 -0500> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Thomas Davis> > No, they didn't have a son named Thomas.> > Will of John Davis, SMC, 12/23/1716-3/29/1717. To: Youngest son, George > and daughter, Mary, each 1/3 of my personal estate. Two children: John and > Briscoe, all land equally divided between them excepting 1/3 of the dwelling > plantation. Wife: Ann, Exec., 1/3 of dwelling plantation during life and > 1/3 personal estate absolutely. Wit: Peter O'Neale, Alexander Scott, Peter > Harris. NOTE: Peter Harris was his stepfather. (Maryland Calendar of > Wills).> > I know this Thomas Davis is related somehow, but have never made the > connection for sure. He could have been a son of either John or Briscoe, > sons as named in the will above.> > Linda Reno> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <bonnietreon@hotmail.com>> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com>> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:58 PM> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Thomas Davis> > > >> > Does anyone know if Thomas DAVIS of Craven Co NC-- who is said to be > > father of Lawson Davis and> > Briscoe Davis of Craven Co--really was a son of Ann Briscoe and her 1st > > husband, John Davis?> >> > I am researching Elizabeth Banner Coleman, d/o Peter and probably > > Elizabeth Wood Banner (d/o Samuel Wood & Ann Briscoe) and herfamily was in > > Craven in very close proximity to Lawson and Briscoe Davis between > > 1785-1790. New Bern area. I am told that Elizabeth Banner's husband, James > > Coleman was a shoemaker.> > Some of the Wood family were also shoemakers so I don't know if that would > > have any trade connection.> >> > But my main query is if Thomas DAVIS was indeed a son of Ann Briscoe and > > John Davis as many say online? If so, when did he go to Craven Co. NC?> >> > B. Treon> >> >> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________> > Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.> > http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008

No, they didn't have a son named Thomas. Will of John Davis, SMC, 12/23/1716-3/29/1717. To: Youngest son, George and daughter, Mary, each 1/3 of my personal estate. Two children: John and Briscoe, all land equally divided between them excepting 1/3 of the dwelling plantation. Wife: Ann, Exec., 1/3 of dwelling plantation during life and 1/3 personal estate absolutely. Wit: Peter O'Neale, Alexander Scott, Peter Harris. NOTE: Peter Harris was his stepfather. (Maryland Calendar of Wills). I know this Thomas Davis is related somehow, but have never made the connection for sure. He could have been a son of either John or Briscoe, sons as named in the will above. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: <bonnietreon@hotmail.com> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 2:58 PM Subject: [MDSTMARY] Thomas Davis > > Does anyone know if Thomas DAVIS of Craven Co NC-- who is said to be > father of Lawson Davis and > Briscoe Davis of Craven Co--really was a son of Ann Briscoe and her 1st > husband, John Davis? > > I am researching Elizabeth Banner Coleman, d/o Peter and probably > Elizabeth Wood Banner (d/o Samuel Wood & Ann Briscoe) and herfamily was in > Craven in very close proximity to Lawson and Briscoe Davis between > 1785-1790. New Bern area. I am told that Elizabeth Banner's husband, James > Coleman was a shoemaker. > Some of the Wood family were also shoemakers so I don't know if that would > have any trade connection. > > But my main query is if Thomas DAVIS was indeed a son of Ann Briscoe and > John Davis as many say online? If so, when did he go to Craven Co. NC? > > B. Treon > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. > http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know if Thomas DAVIS of Craven Co NC-- who is said to be father of Lawson Davis and Briscoe Davis of Craven Co--really was a son of Ann Briscoe and her 1st husband, John Davis? I am researching Elizabeth Banner Coleman, d/o Peter and probably Elizabeth Wood Banner (d/o Samuel Wood & Ann Briscoe) and herfamily was in Craven in very close proximity to Lawson and Briscoe Davis between 1785-1790. New Bern area. I am told that Elizabeth Banner's husband, James Coleman was a shoemaker. Some of the Wood family were also shoemakers so I don't know if that would have any trade connection. But my main query is if Thomas DAVIS was indeed a son of Ann Briscoe and John Davis as many say online? If so, when did he go to Craven Co. NC? B. Treon _________________________________________________________________ Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass. http://windowslive.com/oneline/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008