This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kinseeker125 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/4400/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Shadrack Williams by his wife, Hannah Rev War Pension Information Series: M807- Roll: 874- Image 229- File W154- 13 pages Born: Maryland- Entered Rev War Service in Shenandoah County, Virginia Letter: September 14, 1939 Dear Sir: Reference is made to your letter relative to Shadrack Williams, a soldier of the Revolutionary war. The data contained herein were obtained from papers on file in the Revolutionary War claim for pension, W.154, based upon the military service in that war of Shadrack Williams. Shadrack, the name is also shown as Shardrick, Williams was born September 10, 1763 in St. Mary's County, Maryland. The names of his parents not stated. While a resident of Shenandoah County, Virginia, Shadrack Williams enlisted February 14, 1779, served as a private in Captains Wales' and Holt's Companies. Colonels Buford's and Hoth's Virginia Regiments; May 12, 1780, he was taken prisoner at the siege of Charleston, South Carolina, and after fourteen months and two days exchanged, and he ran discharge July 27, 1781. He moved from Shenandoah County, Virginia, to Illinois, place not given, and two years later he moved to Grainger County, Tennessee. He was allowed pension on his application executed October 8, 1832, at which time he was a resident of Grainger County, Tennessee He died July 15, 1839, place not given Solider married in December 1775 or 1776, place not stated, Hannah, her maiden name not given, both shown. Soldier's widow, Hannah Williams, was allowed pension on her application executed March 1, 1843, at which time she was age eighty three years and a resident of Grainger County, Tennessee. The following names of the children of Shadrack and Hannah Williams are shown: Samuel - b. September 9, 1786 Elizabeth - b. August 18, 1788 Sarah - b. February 21, 1791 John - b. December 30, 1792 William - b. March 21, 1795 Reace - b. June 8, 1796 Mary - b. February 14, 1799 Joseph - b. October 10, 1801 In 1840 said Reace Williams was of Grainger County, Tennessee. There are no further family data. In order to obtain the date of the last payment of pension, the name of the person paid and possibly the death date of the widow, you should apply to the Comptroller General, general Accounting office, Records Division, Washington D.C. and cite the following data :"Hannah Williams, widow of Shadrack Williams, Certificate No. 7141, issued April 3, 1843, rate $ 80.00 per annum, commenced March 4, 1846, Act of July 7, 1838, Tennessee Agency. Very truly yours A.D. Hiller Executive Assistant To the Administrator Regards, kin-skr at yahoo.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Linda Reno Bob Alvey found all of these Baptisms. I'll let you and the list enjoy. And will explain all the connections latter once I sort them all out. If you notice George MEDCALF who married Mary ABELL is listed below with his children. Their son John Francis MEDCALF born 7 Dec 1836, Nelson County, KY married Rachel Catherine CISSELL born abt 1842 daughter of Robert Aaron CISSELL and Ann "Nancy" NEWMAN Marriage Bond & Consent Book of Nelson County 1849-1864 page 109 METCALFE, John F. & CISSELL, Rachel C. Bond: 23 May 1859, Married: 24 May 1859 Signed bond: Willis Ballard Groom- res. Nelson Co. ; 23 years; b. Nelson Co..; 1st mar. Bride- res. Nelson Co.; 18 years; b. Marion Co.; 1st mar. Married by E. O' Driscoll, from Minister Return Mg. at James Cissell's Witness: Caleb Norris; Treacy Ballard Their son Charles MEDCALF born 11 Jul 1841, Nelson County, KY married Sarah "Sallie" E. Powers (daughter of Sylvester POWERS and Mary E. JOHNSON) married 20 or 28th Nov 1871 , Daviess, Kentucky All of this below Bob Alvey found. Jerry, Here's some baptism's in Marion Co, KY from a disk I have of Marion Co, KY baptisms by Danny and Dolores Bohn of Louisville, KY. They have taken many of the old Father Lyons abstracts from Marion, Washington and Nelson Co church records and created a Word file. The data below is a cut and paste from that CD with the Marion Co, KY baptisms. Jerry, the cut and pastes below does include baptisms of Medcalf/Metcalf females who married other surnames. Bob Marion Co, KY METCALF, BENJAMIN & CATHERINE CARROLL Baptized Anna Metcalfe, 7-03-1832, at Holy Name of Mary Catholic Church. Birth date not given. Sponsor, Elizabeth Wise. Parents: Benedict Meadcalf and Catherine Carroll. Baptized Benedict Joseph Metcalf, 5-10-1838, by Rev. Louis Nicholas Petit at St. Charles Catholic Church. Birth date, 11-29-1837. Sponsor, Rebecca Carroll. Parents: Benjamin and Catherine Medcalf. Baptized Martha Ann Metcalfe, 6-18-1840, at Holy Name of Mary Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-05-1840. Sponsor, Rebecca Carroll. Parents: Benjamin Medcalf and Catherine Carroll. MEDCALF, CHARLES & FRANCES COOMES Baptized Josephine Medcalf, 3-29-1834, at St. Joseph Catholic Church (Bardstown, Ky). Birth date, 2-14-1834. Sponsor, Rebecca Ball. Parents: Charles Medcalf and Frances Coomes. Baptized William Medcalf, 9-01-1835, at St. Joseph Catholic Church (Bardstown, Ky). Age 2 months. Sponsor, Benedict Sanders. Parents: Charles and Elizabeth Metcalf. Baptized Ann Elizabeth Medcalf, 1-15-1839, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at St. Thomas Catholic Church (Bardstown, Ky). Birth date, 10-29-1838. Sponsor, Jane F. Gilkey. Parents: Charles Medcalf and Frances Coomes. Baptized John Thomas Medcalf, 9-22-1844, by Rev. Daniel Kelly at Holy Cross Catholic Church. Birth date, 4-10-1844. Sponsor, Mary Jane Ballard. Parents: Charles Medcalf & Frances Coomes. Baptized Louis Medcalf, 8-31-1848, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at Holy Cross Catholic Church. Birth date, 6-15-1848. Sponsor, Jane Frances Gilkey. Parents: Charles Cafe & Frances Coomes. Baptized Benedict Joseph Medcalf, 4-07-1851, by Rev. James Quinn at Holy Cross Catholic Church. Birth date, 9-18-1850. Sponsor, Mrs. Frances Gilkey. Parents: Charles Medcalf & Frances Coomes. MEDCALF, JOHN & RACHEL CISSELL Baptized Robert Medcalf, 5-04-1862, by Rev. Francis Wuyts at Holy Cross Catholic Church. Birth date, 1-20-1862. Sponsor, Martha Clark. Parents: John Medcalf & Rachael Cissell. MEDCALF, JOHN & THERESA CISSELL Baptized Mary Elizabeth Medcalf, 11-27-1864, by Rev. Francis Wuyts at Holy Cross Catholic Church. Birth date, 10-11-1864. Sponsor, Julia Ferrell. Parents: John Mealf & Theresa Cissell. Washington Co, KY MEDCALF, JOHN B. & CATHERINE ? per Bob Alvey, this looks like John F and Rachel Catherine Cissell?) Baptized Charles N. Metcalf, 1871, at Holy Rosary Catholic Church. Birth date, 1867. Sponsor, Mary J. Newton. Parents: John and Catherine Metcalf. Baptized Agnes A. Medcalf, 1871, at Holy Rosary Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-10-1869. Sponsor, Julia Ferriell. Parents: John B. and Catherine Medcalf. METCALF, JOHN STANISLAUS & ANNA MAE RIGGS Baptized James Walter Metcalf, 6-10-1945, by Rev. Jerome Lammers at Holy Trinity Catholic Church. Birth date, 5-16-1945. Sponsors, Mr. and Mrs. Theo. Spalding. Parents: John Stanislaus Metcalf and Anna Mae Riggs. Married Emily Catherine Fenwick, 10-09-1965, at St. Rose Church, Springfield, Ky. Nelson Co MEDCALF, ALFRED & CHRISTINA BURKHEAD Baptized Elisha Medcalf (M), in 1839, at St. Michael Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-18-1839. Sponsor, Mrs. John Brown. Parents: Alfred Medcalf and wife. Baptized Cordelia Medcalf, in 1842, at St. Michael Catholic Church. Birth date, 8-20-1842. Sponsor, Mary Hite. Parents: Alfred Medcalf and Christina Burkhead. Baptized Joseph Burkhead Medcalf, 10-29-1847, at St. Michael Catholic Church. Birth date, 8-13-1847. Sponsor, Matilda Blandford. Parents: Alfred Medcalf and Christina Burkhead. MEDCALF, CATHERINE Baptized George Thomas Medcalf, 1-27-1848, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 1-10-1841. Sponsor, Rose Ann Medcalf. Mother: Catherine Medcalf. MEDCALF, CHARLES & SARAH CARRICO Baptized Ellen Medcalf, 4-07-1841, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 1-23-1841. Sponsor, Cecilia Medcalf. Parents: Charles Medcalf and Sarah Carrico. MEDCALF, CHARLES & FRANCES COOMES Baptized Josephine Medcalf, 3-29-1834, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 2-14-1834. Sponsor, Rebecca Ball. Parents: Charles Medcalf and Frances Coomes. Baptized William Medcalf, 9-01-1835, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Age 2 months. Sponsor, Benedict Sanders. Parents: Charles and Elizabeth Metcalf. Baptized Ann Elizabeth Medcalf, 1-15-1839, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 10-29-1838. Sponsor, Jane F. Gilkey. Parents: Charles Medcalf and Frances Coomes. Baptized John Thomas Medcalf, 9-22-1844, by Rev. Daniel Kelly at Holy Cross Catholic Church. Birth date, 4-10-1844. Sponsor, Mary Jane Ballard. Parents: Charles Medcalf and Frances Coomes. Baptized Louis Medcalf, 8-31-1848, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at Holy Cross Catholic Church. Birth date, 6-15-1848. Sponsor, Jane Frances Gilkey. Parents: Charles Cafe and Frances Coomes. Baptized Benedict Joseph Medcalf, 4-07-1851, by Rev. James Quinn at Holy Cross Catholic Church. Birth date, 9-18-1850. Sponsor, Mrs. Frances Gilkey. Parents: Charles Medcalf and Frances Coomes. Baptized Francis Hilary Medcalf, 12-30-1853, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 10-04-1853. Sponsor, Louise Coomes. Parents: Charles Medcalf and Frances Coomes. MEDCALF, ELISHA & MARY MATILDA SPALDING (daughter of James)(Nelson County Marriage Bond 11-18-1823) Baptized John Carroll Medcalf, 7-21-1830, at St. Michael Catholic Church. Birth date, 5-20-1830. Sponsor, Eleanor Spalding. Parents: Elisha Medcalf and Matilda Spalding. Married Americus Arsemius Medcalf, 6-08-1835, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 11-17-1834. Sponsor, Barbara Charlotte Spalding. Parents: Elisha and Matilda Medcalf. Baptized Francis Marion Medcalf, in 1839, at St. Michael Catholic Church. Birth date, 2-01-1839. Sponsor, Matilda Bell. Parents: Elisha Medcalf and wife. Baptized Thomas Abner Medcalf, in 1841, at St. Michael Catholic Church. Birth date, 4-12-1841. Sponsor, Ellen Lilly. Parents: Elisha Medcalf and wife. METCALF, G. T. & M. UNKNOWN Baptized James William Metcalf, 11-01-1859, by Rev. Benedict at Gethsemani. Birth date, 7-14-1858. Sponsor, Mary Anna Metcalf. Parents: G. T. and M. Metcalf. MEDCALF, GEORGE & MARY "POLLY" ABELL Baptized John Francis Medcalf, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-07-1836. Sponsor, Charlotte Margaret Dever. Parents: George Medcalf and Mary Abell. Baptized William Medcalf, 3-10-1838, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-03-1838. Sponsor, Winifred Medcalf. Parents: George Medcalf and Polly Abell. Baptized (son) Medcalf, 7-11-1841, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 7-09-1841. Sponsor not shown. Parents: George Medcalf and Mary Abell. Baptized Winifred Ann Medcalf, 1-26-1846, by Rev. Daniel Kelly at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-09-1845. Sponsor, Martha Medcalf. Parents George and Mary Medcalf. MEDCALF, GEORGE & PHOEBE COY Baptized John Medcalf, 1-08-1839, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, July 1833. Sponsor, Elizabeth McCaffery. Parents: George Medcalf and Phoebe Coy. Baptized John Medcalf, 6-15-1839, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Age 5 years. Sponsor, Elizabeth McCaffery. Parents: George Medcalf and Phoebe Coy. (Note in register, "See Jan. 8.") MEDCALF, IGNATIUS & ELIZA VOWELLS Baptized Julia Ann Medcalf, 12-19-1826, by Rev. Edward McMahon at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 10-28-1826. Sponsor, Emily Abell. Parents: Ignatius and Eliza Medcalf. Baptized Robert Medcalf, 8-03-1832, by Rev. W. S. Coomes at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 7-04-1832 (?) Sponsor, Elizabeth Ice. Parents: Ignatius and Eliza Medcalf. MEDCALF, IGNATIUS JR. & AGATHA CATHERINE HUFF (daughter of widow Ann)(Nelson Co. Marriage Bond date 9-25-1821) Baptized James Stanislaus Medcalf, 9-22-1823, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 5-07-1823. Sponsor, Ann Huff. Parents: Ignatius and Agatha Medcalf. Baptized Willis Ignatius Vingert Medcalf, 4-23-1826, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 4-05-1826. Sponsor, Mrs. Ann Huff. Parents: Ignatius and Agatha Medcalf. Baptized John Francis Medcalf, 12-06-1829, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 9-19-1829. Sponsor, Ann Lardner. Parents: Ignatius and Agatha Catherine Medcalf. METCALF, J. & ELLEN JENKINS Baptized Benjamin Metcalf, 4-29-1849, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-25-1848. Sponsor, Jane Woods. Parents: J. Metcalf and Ellen Jenkins. MEDCALF, J. URBAN & MATILDA NORRIS Baptized Mary Ellen Metcalf, 6-09-1848, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-04-1848. Sponsor, Ellen Bowling. Parents: J. Urban Medcalf and Matilda Norris. METCALF, JAMES W. & REBECCA JOANNA CUNDIFF Baptized Caroline Helen Metcalf, 9-04-1863, by Rev. Pol Fermont at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-12-1863. Sponsor, Anna Rooney. Parents: James W. Metcalf and Rebecca Joanna Cundiff. Baptized Rebecca Joanna (Cundiff) Metcalf, wife of James W. Metcalf, 9-07-1863, by Rev. Pol Fermont at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Sponsor, Anna Rooney. No other information. MEDCALF, JAMES W. & ELIZABETH ELLEN or HELEN REDMON Baptized Ann Maria Medcalf, 1-04-1852, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 11-24-1851. Sponsor, Jane Medcalf. Parents: James Medcalf and Ellen Redmon. Baptized Melvina Medcalf, 9-24-1853, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-11-1853. Sponsor, Mary M. Redmon. Parents: James W. Metcalf and Elizabeth Ellen Redmon. Baptized Henry Metcalf, 5-22-1856, by Rev. Joseph DeVries at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 10-01-1855. Sponsor, Mary Ann Metcalf. Parents: James and Elizabeth Ellen Metcalf. Baptized James Metcalf, 11-01-1859, by Rev. Benedict at Gethsemani. Birth date, 9-06-1857. Sponsor, Joanna Metcalf. Parents: James Metcalf and Elizabeth Helen Redmon. Baptized Laura Ann Metcalf, 11-01-1859, by Rev. Benedict at Gethsemani. Birth date, 9-25-1859. Sponsor, Elizabeth Jenkins. Parents: James Metcalf and Elizabeth Anna Redmon. Baptized Mary Lucinda Metcalf, May 1862, by Rev. Francis DeMeulder at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 10-30-1861. Sponsor, Elizabeth Metcalf. Parents: James Metcalf and Elizabeth Redmon. MEDCALF, JAMES & REBECCA RIZER (daughter of Philip)(Nelson Co. Marriage Bond date 10-24-1818) Baptized Elizabeth Ann Medcalf, 4-19-1825, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-14-1825. Sponsor, Mrs. Ann Medcalf. Parents: James and Rebecca Medcalf. Baptized John Medcalf, 3-30-1832, by Rev. W. S. Coomes at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date not shown. Sponsor, Maria Medcalf. Parents: James and Rebecca Medcalf. Baptized Sarah Ann Medcalf, 3-30-1832, by Rev. W. S. Coomes at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date not shown. Sponsor, Nancy Medcalf. Parents: James and Rebecca Medcalf. Baptized James Medcalf, 2-06-1834, by Rev. W. S. Coomes at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, Feb. 1834. Sponsor, Mary Jane Medcalf. Parents: James Medcalf and wife. Baptized Nancy Ellen Medcalf, 6-02-1841, at St. Clare Catholic Church, Colesburg, Ky. Birth date, 9-11-1840. Sponsor, Jane Medcalf. Parents: James Medcalf and Rebecca Riser. METCALF, JEFFERSON & MARGARET GALLAGHER Baptized Thomas Jefferson Metcalf, 10-14-1855, by Rev. Joseph DeVries at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 7-24-1855. Sponsor, Jane Metcalf. Parents: Jefferson and Margaret Metcalf. Baptized Joseph Jesse Metcalf, 7-27-1862, by Rev. Francis DeMeulder at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 4-10-1852. Sponsor, Anna Peak. Parents: Jefferson Metcalf and Margaret Gallagher. METCALF, JOHN & FRANCES "FANNY" BOARMAN (married 8-29-1849 at St. Joseph Church) Baptized Susanna Catherine Metcalf, 10-01-1852, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 2-10-1852. Sponsor, Theresa Metcalf. Parents: John and Fanny Metcalf. MEDCALF, JOHN & CATHERINE CISSELL Baptized Mary Elizabeth Medcalf, 4-08-1860, by Rev. M. Chazal at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 2-25-1860. Sponsor, Mary Medcalf. Parents: John and Catherine Medcalf. METCALF, JOHN & ELIZABETH HELEN REDMON Baptized Jefferson Thomas Metcalf, 2-17-1864, by Rev. Francis DeMeulder at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-05-1863. Sponsor, Laura Burch. Parents: John Metcalf and Helen Redmon. (which is the correct name?) Baptized Thomas Jefferson Metcalf, 2-17-1864, by Rev. Francis DeMeulder at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-05-1863. Sponsor, Laura Burch. Parents: John Metcalf and Helen Redmon. Baptized Vincent Metcalf, 5-07-1866, at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-06-1865. Sponsor, Mary Redmon. Parents: John Metcalf and Elizabeth Helen Redmon. Baptized Joseph W. Metcalf, 5-03-1868, by Rev. Francis DeMeulder at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-26-1878. Sponsor, Joanna Metcalf. Parents: John Metcalf and Helen Redmon. Married Mary Florence Ship, 1-18-1909, at St. Francis Xavier Church (later St. Ann), Lou., Ky. METCALF, JOHN MILTON & MARY ANN REDMON Baptized William Metcalf, 9-24-1853, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 7-03-1853. Sponsor, Elizabeth Metcalf. Parents: John Metcalf and Mary A. Redmon. Baptized Pius Metcalf, 5-22-1856, by Rev. Joseph DeVries at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-12-1855. Sponsor, Elizabeth Ellen Metcalf. Parents: John Milton and Mary Ann Metcalf. Baptized Amanda Metcalf, 5-03-1859, by Rev. David Alexander DeParcq at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-17-1859. Sponsor, Betty Jenkins. Parents: John and Mary Ann Metcalf. Baptized Emily Metcalf, 9-08-1860, by Rev. David Alexander DeParcq at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 4-27-1860. Sponsor, Jane Metcalf. Parents: John Metcalf and Mary Ann Redmon. Baptized John Robert Metcalf, 4-20-1868, by Rev. Francis DeMeulder at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-08-1868. Sponsor, Joanna Metcalf. Parents: John Metcalf and Mary Anna Redmon. METCALF, JOSEPH & MARGARET EDELIN Baptized Franklin Nathaniel Metcalf, 5-31-1852, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 11-23-1851. Sponsor, Ann Essex. Parents: Joseph Metcalf and Margaret Edelin. Baptized William Metcalf, 5-29-1853, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 11-29-1852. Sponsor, Elizabeth Jenkins. Parents: Joseph Metcalf and Margaret Edelin. MEDCALF, JOSEPH & ANN "NANCY" FIGG (daughter of John)(Nelson Co. Marriage Bond date 4-16-1811) Baptized James Medcalf, 11-09-1823, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date not shown. Sponsor, Louise Smith. Parents: Joseph and Ann Medcalf. Baptized Joseph Medcalf, 7-16-1825, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 6-13-1825. Sponsor, Mary Medcalf. Parents: Joseph and Ann Medcalf. Baptized Ignatius Medcalf, 5-27-1827, at St. Joseph Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-07-1827. Sponsor, Elizabeth Medcalf. Parents: Joseph and Ann Medcalf. Baptized Benjamin Franklin Medcalf, 6-04-1829, by Rev. Edward McMahon at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 2-27-1829. Sponsor, Maria Wier. Parents: Joseph and Ann Medcalf. Baptized John Medcalf, 8-03-1832, by Rev. W. S. Coomes at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 7-29-1832. Sponsor, Maria Medcalf. Parents: Joseph and Nancy Medcalf. MEDCALF, JOSEPH & MARY ANN ? Baptized Eliza Ann Medcalf, 3-30-1832, by Rev. W. S. Coomes at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date not shown. Sponsor, Elizabeth Medcalf. Parents: Joseph and Ann Medcalf. METCALF, JOSEPH & MARY CUNDIFF Baptized Xavier Metcalf, 12-10-1867, by Rev. Paulinus at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 11-29-1867. Sponsor, Josephine Metcalf. Parents: Joseph Metcalf and Mary Cundiff. METCALF, MARY OLE (adult) Baptized, 6-12-1897, by Rev. Nicholas Ryan at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Age 14 years. Sponsors, Catherine Greenwell and Rev. Nicholas Ryan. Parents not shown. METCALF, PIUS & JANE WOOD Baptized Elizabeth Metcalf, 10-15-1850, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 9-07-1850. Sponsor, Elizabeth Metcalf. Parents: Pius and Jane Metcalf. Baptized Frances Metcalf, 2-18-1853, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 11-08-1852. Sponsor, Jane Wood. Parents: Pius Metcalf and Jane Wood. Baptized Frances Marian Metcalf, 10-14-1855, by Rev. Joseph DeVries at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 8-04-1855. Sponsor, Jane Woods. Parents: Pius and Jane Metcalf. Baptized Anna Metcalf, 2-07-1858, by Rev. P. F. Koller at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-05-1857. Sponsor, Frances Woods. Parents: Pius Metcalf and Joanna Woods. Baptized Mary Helen Metcalf, 9-01-1861, by Rev. Francis DeMeulder at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 7-18-1861. Sponsor, Mary Helen Vititoe. Parents: Pius Metcalf and Joanna Woods. Baptized Amanda Anna Metcalf, 5-05-1864, by Rev. Francis DeMeulder at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 2-17-1864. Sponsor, Elizabeth Helen Metcalf. Parents: Pius and Joanna Metcalf. METCALF, SILAS J. & MARGARET JANE GALLAGHER Baptized Augustine Metcalf, 11-03-1854, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 10-30-1853. Sponsor, Ann Woods. Parents: Silas J. Metcalf and Margaret Jane Gallagher. METCALF, SILAS JEFF & MARY CUNDIFF Baptized Margaret Metcalf, 5-07-1866, at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 1-25-1866. Sponsor, Anna Metcalf. Parents: Jeff Metcalf and Mary Cundiff. MEDCALF, SILAS N. & ELLEN JENKINS Baptized Josephine Medcalf, 4-11-1851, by Rev. Robert Byrne at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 12-05-1850. Sponsor not shown. Parents: Silas N. Medcalf and Ellen Jenkins. MEDCALF, SILL & DORA TERRY Baptized Catherine Ellen Medcalf, 5-30-1896, by Rev. Nicholas Ryan at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 3-15-1879. Sponsors, Annie ? and ? Parents: Sill Medcalf and Dora Terry. Married John Mattingly, 6-14-1911. Witnesses: Charles Mattingly and Felix Ball. Baptized Mary Maude Medcalf, 6-12-1900, by Rev. Nicholas Ryan at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Age about 15 years. Sponsors, Martin Ritchie and Kittie Willett. Parents: Sill Medcalf and Dora Terry. Married Joe A. Boone, 4-02-___, at St. Thomas Church. Witnesses: James and Mary F. Young. Baptized Mary Beulah Medcalf, 6-15-1902, by Rev. Nicholas Ryan at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Age 13 years. Sponsor, Maggie Culver. Parents: Sil Medcalf and Eudora Reney. Married Martin Greenwell, 4-21-1914, at St. Thomas Church. Witnesses: Clement Mahoney and Alma Burch. Baptized Mary Helen Medcalf, 6-15-1902, by Rev. Nicholas Ryan at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Age 10 years. Sponsor, Mary Downs. Parents: Sil Medcalf and Eudora Reney. MEDCALF, THOMAS N. & NANCY JENKINS Baptized William Medcalf, 8-13-1838, by Rev. Athanasius A. Aud at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 2-17-1838. Sponsor, Mary Jane Medcalf. Parents: Thomas N. Medcalf and Nancy Jenkins. MEDCALF, VINCENT & LIZZIE BALLARD Baptized Flora Alvina Medcalf, 5-28-1898, by Rev. Nicholas Ryam at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 4-16-1898. Sponsors, Mrs. Lottie Devers and Helen Devers. Parents: Vincent Medcalf and Lizzie Ballard. Married Stephen Boone, 11-03-1920. Witnesses: Ony Downs and John Medcalf. Baptized Minnie Ida Medcalf, 9-30-1900, by Rev. Nicholas Ryan at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 7-12-1900. Sponsors, Lillie Devers and Hilary Devers. Parents: Vince Medcalf and Lizzie Ballard. Married ? Downs, 11-03-1920. Witnesses: Stephen Boone and Alma Boone. Baptized James W. Medcalf, 10-19-1902, by Rev. Nicholas Ryan at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 8-27-1902. Sponsors, Lillie Devers and H. Devers. Parents: Vincent Medcalf and Lizzie Ballard. MEDCALF, VINCENT & MARY ANN JENKINS Baptized Mary Jane Medcalf, 7-02-1847, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 1-20-1847. Sponsor, Anastasia Thompson. Parents: Vincent Medcalf and Mary Ann Jenkins. Baptized Emelia Medcalf, 4-29-1849, by Rev. Robert A. Abell at St. Catherine Catholic Church. Birth date, 9-20-1848. Sponsor, Mary A. Buckman. Parents: Vincent Medcalf and Mary A. Jenkins. MEDCALF, WILLIAM & MARY ELLEN SUTTON Baptized Mary Lucy Pearl Medcalf, 10-30-1886, by Rev. Nicholas Ryan at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 1-22-1880. Sponsors, Mollie Dickson and Ed Ritchie. Parents: William Medcalf and Mary Ellen Sutton. Baptized Martha S. Medcalf, 1903901886, by Rev. Nicholas Ryan at St. Thomas Catholic Church. Birth date, 4-17-1882. Sponsors, Alice Dickson and Steve Dickson. Parents: William Medcalf and Mary Ellen Sutton.

DNA testing (_Brownieofbowie@aol.com_ (mailto:Brownieofbowie@aol.com) Thank you Dr. Moseley. It was most informative to think of surname groups. I hadn't thought of that as a possibility. I am an alumni of Texas Wesleyan from 1958, so I'm still gaining knowledge from Ft. Worth, TX. Mr. Saunders, thank you for such an informative and easy to follow discussion. Knowing the three top testing places was very helpful, especially with the detail. Thanks to you both, Mary B Original Message 28 Jan 2009 From: Brownieofbowie@aol.com Subject: [MDSTMARY] DNA testing I know this is an old subject, but I would like to know what "you" think about the various DNA testing i.e. which is the best and what your experience has been? I think I have talked my only hope for a male cousin to have the testing done. I need to strike while he is willing. He is concerned about confidentiality and privacy. Mary B ************** 29 Jan 2009 From: "Fredric Z. Saunders" _fzsaund@ix.netcom.com_ (mailto:fzsaund@ix.netcom.com) [MDSTMARY] DNA _testing_ (mailto:testing@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net) Probably the three most popular are FamilyTree DNA, DNA Heritage, and Ancestry.com. You will get privacy with all of them. The first thing you should do is see if there is an existing project for the surname to be tested. FTDNA has the largest database, and will most likely have the largest number of persons tested with any surname. There are exceptions where some surnames have decided to go with one of the other two. It may be best to go which ever company has the largest project for the surname, although there are other things you will want to consider. You may also want to browse the Rootsweb archives for lists as Genealogy-DNA y-DNA-Projects and some others to see what people have said is good and what they don't like about the different companies. FTDNA has tests of 12, 25, 37 and 67 markers, plus some specific additional ones. DNA Heritage and Ancestry.com have a 43 marker test (claimed by Ancestry as 46). All the companies test for 3 additional multiple markers that most people (99+%) don't have, and will report them if found. Ancestry chooses to "advertise" those three in the amount they test, even though they know most people are only going to get a report of 43 markers. There is some overlap in the markers tested, but not fully. For a 43 marker test, only 32 are in common with the FTDNA 37 marker test. Only 34 of the 43 marker test are in common with FTDNA's 67 marker test. So, while comparing results from a person who tested with one company who tested with another is not an exact apples to apples results, it isn't a totally different apples to oranges either. If most people of the surname have tested with one company, and you go with another, then you won't have an exact comparison of results. If there are projects with two or three companies, I would also suggest "interviewing" the project administrators for each, especially if there are many things about DNA you don't feel comfortable with as in interpreting results. Besides the size of each project, how often or soon do they post new results? Do they e-mail participants when new results are in, and give an interpretation? Are they willing to answer your questions, or at least give you sources on things they can't? Or, are they an "administrator" who doesn't respond to any e-mail, and is apparently glad that people test to see if they match THEM, but if you don't, you are unimportant. Are the results of the entire project on a website (either public or private) where you can view and compare your results with others? How organized is that page? Does it look like the administrator is active and working for the ENTIRE project, or is there no website, or one that appears poorly kept? Is there a method at the website of comparing results with lineages (usually down to about 1900) or earliest ancestor, so that you can know not only who you do match, but what lineages you don't match? Rick Saunders Group Administrator for SHORT, MOLER-MOULDER and AMY-AMIGH-EMIGH DNA projects http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/short/results http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/moler/results http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/amy/results ------------------------------ **************Know Your Numbers: Get tips and tools to help you improve your credit score. (http://www.walletpop.com/credit/credit-reports?ncid=emlcntuswall00000002)

Jerry, If you go to the Hardin County Court House records http://www.hccoky.org/search.asp and do a name search you will find wills for a John Medcalf who lists a son John K Medcalf, and a will for a John K Medcalf, either or both of them may be the John Medcalf in St Clare Catholic Cemetery in Colesburg. but more likely it is John K Medcalf, the son. I've photographed most of the tombstones in St Clare and about 20% of them are difficult or impossible to read. John Medcalf's will is dated May 8, 1849. He lists his wife "Incia Medcalf" He also lists daughter Matilda Pursell and husband, daughter Celey Thompson, son G W Medcalf and son John K Medcalf, youngest son Charles Medcalf, and appoints son Samuel Medcalf as his executor. Codicil to this will was written on Dec 14, 1854 to change disposal of assets and to deduct from his son George W Medcalf, a certain sum advanced to him in the intervening 5 years. This will was presented in the Hardin Co Courthouse in Elizabethtown on Monday, January 15, 1855, purporting to be the Last Will and Testament of John Medcalf, deceased. John K Medcalf's will is dated Oct 4, 1868 and he names his wife Mary Ann, Mother Teresa Medcalf and two sons Thomas Lee Medcalf and John Clarence Medcalf. Both sons are listed as not of legal age, This will was presented at the Hardin Co, KY Courthouse in Elizabethtown on Oct 19, 1868 purporting to be the last will and testament of John K Medcalf, deceased Bob Alvey In a message dated 01/29/09 16:00:47 Pacific Standard Time, jerry876@comcast.net writes: St Clare Cemetery Colesburg Kentucky Colesburg, KY is in Hardin County, KY So the tomstone must be that of John K. MEDCALF son of John MEDCALF and Treacy DICKSON It can't be John Kenelem MEDCALF because he died in Nelson County, KY ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

St Clare Cemetery Colesburg Kentucky Colesburg, KY is in Hardin County, KY So the tomstone must be that of John K. MEDCALF son of John MEDCALF and Treacy DICKSON It can't be John Kenelem MEDCALF because he died in Nelson County, KY

http://stclarecemeterycolesburgkentucky.blogspot.com/2008/11/medcalf-john-k. html There is a John K. Medcalf buried at St Clare Cemetery Colesburg Kentucky I believe this is in Nelson County, KY you can see picture of his tomestone. I don't know who else it would be other than John Kenelem MEDCALF, but It doesn't tell us anything. Looks like Half the stone in the ground.

1810 Census Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY Head of House John K. Medcalf Males under 10= 2, 10-15 = 2, 16-25 = 1, over 45 = 1 Females 10-15 = 1, over 45 = 1. 5 boys & 1 girl (Nancy who 1818?) Sarah married 1805, so not here. Where was Eliza who married 1823? Too many girls marrying that don't match census records. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] John Kenelem MEDCALF > These are the 5 Children of John Kenelem MEDCALF who have been identified: > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1801-1816, NCGR > Felix Wimsatt & Sarah Medcalf > Bond: 1 Jan 1805 M: 8 Jan 1805 > Ignatius Medcalf signed bond > Consent filed with bond: John K & Winnifred Medcalf, Parents of Sarah > Ignatius & Eleanor Wimsatt, parents of Felix > Married by S T Badin, marriage register > > > > > > 1850 Nelson Co., KY Census - 329-330 > > > > 2 782 782 Winsett Felix 72 M Farmer > > > 1,500 Md. > > 3 782 782 Winsett Sarah 68 F > > > Md. > > 4 782 782 Winsett W. 50 M Farmer > > > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) > George Medcalf & Mary Abell > Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 > William King signed bond > Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond > W: William King, Nancy King > Married by W S Coomes, minister return > > > > > > Notice his sister and her husband sign as witnesses. > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR > William King & Nancy Medcalf > Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 > Philip Read signed bond > William, s/o Jacob King > Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriage, Bond & Consent, 1817-1832 > Jacob Thralls & Eliza Medcalf > Bond: 27 Apr 1823 > John K Medcalf father of Eliza > signed bond and consent in person > > > > > > > > Charles MEDCALF who married Sarah Jane CARRICO 24 Dec 1834 , Hardin, > Kentucky > > > > > > I hope Bob Alvey doesn't mind me sharing a recent letter from him to me > concerning the Charles MEDCALF born 1810 who married Sarah Jane CARRICO > > > > > > > > Linda Reno, > > > > Bob ALVEY has just found the death record of Charles MEDCALF who married > Sarah Jane CARRICO. This Charles MEDCALF born 1810 so his mother was 47 > years old when he was born. See my comments to Bob Alvey below. > > > > This Charles Medcalf born 1810 another son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and > Winifred PAYNE > > > > _____ > > From: Jerry L. Clark [mailto:jerry876@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:58 PM > To: 'Robert L Alvey' > Cc: 'BettyY5919@aol.com'; 'EPERRY4616@aol.com' > Subject: RE: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico > > > > Well this is a surprise, I thought that when I saw proof that George > MEDCALF > who married Mary ABELL was a son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and Winifred > PAYNE > an he was signing as Bondsman for James Carrico the father of Sarah Jane > CARRICO who married Charles MEDCALF that it appeared to me that it was > likely George Medcalf and Mary Abell might be Charles Medcalf's Parents, > but > now it appears George MEDCALF was his brother. > > > > > > This is a very large span of years John Kenelem MEDCALF and Wife Winifred > PAYNE were having children Sarah MEDCALF born 1782 married Felix Wimsatt > and > Now Charles MEDCALF born abt 1810. We must be missing a lot more children > of > John Kenelem MEDCALF. That's at least a 28 year span of children. > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) > George Medcalf & Mary Abell > Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 > William King signed bond > Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond > W: William King, Nancy King > Married by W S Coomes, minister return > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > > James Carrico & Mrs Henrietta Peak > > Bond: 21 Apr 1828 > > George Medcalf signed bond > > Henrietta, widow of Edward Peak > > > > > > > > > > Nelson Co Marriages, NCGR > Andrew Watson & Mrs Margaret Brown > Bond: 23 Apr 1806 M: 29 Apr 1806 > George Medcalf signed bond > Margaret, widow of Andrew Brown > Married by William Taylor, minister return > > > > _____ > > From: Robert L Alvey [mailto:bobalvey@juno.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:53 PM > To: jerry876@comcast.net > Subject: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico > > > > Jerry, > > > > Found a bit more this morning. > > > > Bob Alvey > > > > Charles Medcalf died April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, KY, see below . Have not > found a burial location but looks like John Kenelm Medcalf is his father > and > Winifred (Payne? see below) is his mother and he was born in Nelson Co, KY > > > > Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) > Name: Charles Metcalf > Death Date: 28 Apr 1853 > Death Location: Ohio > Residence Location: Ohio > Age: 43 > Gender: Male > Birth Date: abt 1810 > Birth Location: Nelson > Father's Name: K Nett Metcalf > Mother's Name: Wimped Metcalf > > > On the 1860 Ohio Co, KY census, several of Charels and Sarah Jane Carrico > Medcalf's children are living with their sister Mary Ann Gillespie who > married Stephen A Gillespie, a widow in Ohio Co, KY on > > June 26, 1854 per Ohio Co, Marriages Mary Ann Medcalf is the one listed > in > St Clare Baptismal recrods as the daughter of Charles Medcalf and Mary Ann > Medcalf, an obvious error as to the mother. > > > > Baptisms at St Clare Church, Colesburg, Hardin Co, KY (I have this book) > Pg6 Mary Ann Medcalf, dau of Charels & Mary Ann Medcalf, born Jan 23, > 1836, > sponser Rosanna Medcalf, bapt Sept 1836 > > > > Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) > about Mary Ann Gillespie > Name: Mary Ann Gillespie > [Mary Ann Medcalf] > Death Date: 19 Jun 1914 > Death Location: Ohio > Residence Location: Ohio > Age: 78 > Gender: Female > Ethnicity: White > Birth Date: 25 Jan 1836 > Birth Location: Meade, Kentucky > Father's Name: Charlie Medcalf > Mother's Name: Sallie Caricor > Burial John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds Station, Ohio Co, KY (sometimes > referred to as the Lewis Owen Cemetery) > > Her husband Dr Stephen A Gillespie is buried with his frist wife, Anna > Crow in Midkiff Cemetery in Ohio Co, KY > > > > Jerry, I have the following in my notes, not sure if they are from you or > Linda Reno, it was years ago and I often neglected to source some of notes > in those days, the only place where I have seen Winifred listed as > Winifred > Payne. > > > > p.126 Medcalf, John K 1-27-1835 Sept 11, 1837 > > > > Bequeaths estate to wife Wineford Medcalf, at her death to son George > Medcalf and his heirs forever (all my other children being previously > provided for." Executor; George Medcalf. Witness; James Ball Senior. James > Ball Jr. Book H, p.230 > > > > James BALL Sr. married Rachel CULVER, he was the son of James BALL who > married Margaret BRAY daughter of Henry BRAY and Catherine ? > > > > Margaret BRAY (BALL) was a sister to my ancestor Abraham BRAY who married > Eleanor "Nelly" Baptist HOWARD daughter of John Baptist HOWARD and > Elizabeth JOHNSON > > > > There is a very strong connection of John Kenelem MEDCALF to Jacob KING > who > married Ann ABELL daughter of George ABELL and Elizabeth CRAWFORD > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1785-1800 > Jacob King & Ann Abell > Bond: 22 Mar 1797 > George Abell, father of Ann, signed bond and gave consent in person > > > > Jacob KING and Ann ABELL had the following children: > 1. William KING married Nancy MEDCALF daughter of John Kenelem MEDCALF > and > Winifred PAYNE > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR > William King & Nancy Medcalf > Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 > Philip Read signed bond > William, s/o Jacob King > Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > 2. James B. KING born 20 Feb 1797 married Margaret BALL born 4 Feb 1802 , > Nelson, Kentucky daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > James King & Margaret Ball > Bond: 7 Oct 1820 M: 12 Oct 1820 > James Ball, father of Margaret > signed bond and consent in person > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > 3.Francis KING married Nancy BALL daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel > CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > Francis King & Nancy Ball > Bond: 3 Oct 1831 > James Ball, father of Nancy > signed bond and consent in person > > > > 4. George KING > 5. Ann KING > 6. Elizabeth KING married William BALL son of James BALL Sr. and Rachel > CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > William Ball & Elizabeth King > Bond: 21 Feb 1825 M: 22 Feb 1825 > James King signed bond > Jacob King, father of Elizabeth, consent w/bond > W: James Ball, James King > James Ball, father of William, consent w/bond > W: George King, James King > Married by Isaac Taylor, minister return > > Descendants of Charles Medcalf > > 1 Charles Medcalf b: 1810 in Nelson Co, KY d: April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, > KY > > .. +Sarah Jane Carrico b: 1810 in KY m: December 24, 1834 in Hardin Co, KY > d: Aft. April 28, 1853 Father: James M Carrico III Mother: Theresa Hagan > > ... 2 Mary Ann Medcalf b: January 23, 1836 in Hardin Co, KY d: June 19, > 1914 > in Ohio Co, KY Burial: June 20, 1914 John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds > Station, > KY > > ....... +Stephen A Gillispie b: August 03, 1822 in KY m: June 26, 1854 in > Ohio Co, KY d: March 05, 1900 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Midkiff Cemetery, > Ohio > Co, KY > > ... 2 Elizabeth Medcalf b: 1838 in KY > > ....... +John Crow, Jr m: December 01, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... 2 Ann Elizabeth "Nancy" Medcalf b: 1840 in KY > > ... 2 Teresia Jane Medcalf b: October 22, 1842 in Hardin Co, KY d: Bef. > 1850 > in KY > > ... 2 Lucretia Medcalf b: April 21, 1844 in Hardin Co, KY d: January 08, > 1918 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: January 09, 1918 Magan Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY > > ....... +Charles R Barnett b: September 14, 1840 in Hancock Co, KY m: > March > 18, 1863 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... *2nd Husband of Lucretia Medcalf: > > ....... +Samuel L Midkiff m: April 05, 1866 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... 2 George Washington Medcalf b: March 29, 1846 in Hardin Co, KY d: > April > 05, 1906 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY > > ....... +Martha E Bellamy b: December 21, 1856 in KY m: April 04, 1882 in > Ohio Co, KY d: October 13, 1944 in Daviess Co, KY Burial: October 15, 1944 > Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY Father: Joshua Bellamy Mother: Unknown > > ... 2 Henry C Medcalf b: June 09, 1848 in Ohio Co, KY d: July 18, 1938 in > Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville Cemetery, Fordsville, KY > > ....... +Georgia Alice Roach b: October 28, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY m: January > 20, 1876 in Ohio Co, KY d: 1945 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville > Cemetery, > Fordsville, KY > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sarah born 1882 Was already married and Nancy was old enough to be away working. Should be Sarah born 1782. Sorry.

2 males under 10 in 1810 - born between 1800-1810 One of them has to be Charles Medcalf born 1810. 2 males age 10-15 in 1810- born between 1795-1800 - George Medcalf has to one of them and I think he likely was born 1795, 1- male age 16-25 in 1810 between 1785-1794-( my guess- Elisha MEDCALF born 1785 1- female age 10-15 in 1810 (I would say this is likely Eliza MEDCALF born abt 1800) Sarah born 1882 Was already married and Nancy was old enough to be away working. I think and I can't prove it but believe the Elisha Medcalf born 1785 is also a son of John Kenelem MEDCALF, now I'm not sure if he is the same one who married Catherine Parker (BODINE) but if so he fits nicely under John Kenelem Medcalf. then we would still need to find one more closer in age of Charles Medcalf. But we would have too many males in the 16-25 age bracket. Dave can you see if you can find William KING and Nancy Medcalf on the 1850 CENSUS? That might help give us her age. And I want to double check age of George MEDCALF about 1840 Census.

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Girls old enough to work were usually off working at someone else's home. Boys tended to be farmers so they help their father. What are the age groups for the boys? Charles Medcalf was born 1810, don't know when George MEDCALF was born, have not found him on Census. To be sure we get the correct one we need to check 1830 and 1840 Census to determine his age. Supposedly his wife Mary Abell born 1 Jan 1795 , Nelson, Kentucky which makes me believe George MEDCALF probably born between 1790-1795, We know George was alive in 1837 because he was the Executor of his fathers will which only mention George Medcalf by name as son of John Kenelem MEDCALF, all other children already provided for. Eliza Medcalf was dead prior to her fathers will of 1837. Don't know age of Nancy likely born before 1800 since she married in 1818, Eliza Medcalf likely born abt 1800-1805, because her husband was born 1800. -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Lee Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:15 AM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John Kenelem MEDCALF 1810 Census Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY Head of House John K. Medcalf Males under 10= 2, 10-15 = 2, 16-25 = 1, over 45 = 1 Females 10-15 = 1, over 45 = 1. 5 boys & 1 girl (Nancy who 1818?) Sarah married 1805, so not here. Where was Eliza who married 1823? Too many girls marrying that don't match census records. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] John Kenelem MEDCALF > These are the 5 Children of John Kenelem MEDCALF who have been identified: > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1801-1816, NCGR > Felix Wimsatt & Sarah Medcalf > Bond: 1 Jan 1805 M: 8 Jan 1805 > Ignatius Medcalf signed bond > Consent filed with bond: John K & Winnifred Medcalf, Parents of Sarah > Ignatius & Eleanor Wimsatt, parents of Felix > Married by S T Badin, marriage register > > > > > > 1850 Nelson Co., KY Census - 329-330 > > > > 2 782 782 Winsett Felix 72 M Farmer > > > 1,500 Md. > > 3 782 782 Winsett Sarah 68 F > > > Md. > > 4 782 782 Winsett W. 50 M Farmer > > > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) > George Medcalf & Mary Abell > Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 > William King signed bond > Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond > W: William King, Nancy King > Married by W S Coomes, minister return > > > > > > Notice his sister and her husband sign as witnesses. > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR > William King & Nancy Medcalf > Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 > Philip Read signed bond > William, s/o Jacob King > Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriage, Bond & Consent, 1817-1832 > Jacob Thralls & Eliza Medcalf > Bond: 27 Apr 1823 > John K Medcalf father of Eliza > signed bond and consent in person > > > > > > > > Charles MEDCALF who married Sarah Jane CARRICO 24 Dec 1834 , Hardin, > Kentucky > > > > > > I hope Bob Alvey doesn't mind me sharing a recent letter from him to me > concerning the Charles MEDCALF born 1810 who married Sarah Jane CARRICO > > > > > > > > Linda Reno, > > > > Bob ALVEY has just found the death record of Charles MEDCALF who married > Sarah Jane CARRICO. This Charles MEDCALF born 1810 so his mother was 47 > years old when he was born. See my comments to Bob Alvey below. > > > > This Charles Medcalf born 1810 another son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and > Winifred PAYNE > > > > _____ > > From: Jerry L. Clark [mailto:jerry876@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:58 PM > To: 'Robert L Alvey' > Cc: 'BettyY5919@aol.com'; 'EPERRY4616@aol.com' > Subject: RE: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico > > > > Well this is a surprise, I thought that when I saw proof that George > MEDCALF > who married Mary ABELL was a son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and Winifred > PAYNE > an he was signing as Bondsman for James Carrico the father of Sarah Jane > CARRICO who married Charles MEDCALF that it appeared to me that it was > likely George Medcalf and Mary Abell might be Charles Medcalf's Parents, > but > now it appears George MEDCALF was his brother. > > > > > > This is a very large span of years John Kenelem MEDCALF and Wife Winifred > PAYNE were having children Sarah MEDCALF born 1782 married Felix Wimsatt > and > Now Charles MEDCALF born abt 1810. We must be missing a lot more children > of > John Kenelem MEDCALF. That's at least a 28 year span of children. > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) > George Medcalf & Mary Abell > Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 > William King signed bond > Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond > W: William King, Nancy King > Married by W S Coomes, minister return > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > > James Carrico & Mrs Henrietta Peak > > Bond: 21 Apr 1828 > > George Medcalf signed bond > > Henrietta, widow of Edward Peak > > > > > > > > > > Nelson Co Marriages, NCGR > Andrew Watson & Mrs Margaret Brown > Bond: 23 Apr 1806 M: 29 Apr 1806 > George Medcalf signed bond > Margaret, widow of Andrew Brown > Married by William Taylor, minister return > > > > _____ > > From: Robert L Alvey [mailto:bobalvey@juno.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:53 PM > To: jerry876@comcast.net > Subject: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico > > > > Jerry, > > > > Found a bit more this morning. > > > > Bob Alvey > > > > Charles Medcalf died April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, KY, see below . Have not > found a burial location but looks like John Kenelm Medcalf is his father > and > Winifred (Payne? see below) is his mother and he was born in Nelson Co, KY > > > > Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) > Name: Charles Metcalf > Death Date: 28 Apr 1853 > Death Location: Ohio > Residence Location: Ohio > Age: 43 > Gender: Male > Birth Date: abt 1810 > Birth Location: Nelson > Father's Name: K Nett Metcalf > Mother's Name: Wimped Metcalf > > > On the 1860 Ohio Co, KY census, several of Charels and Sarah Jane Carrico > Medcalf's children are living with their sister Mary Ann Gillespie who > married Stephen A Gillespie, a widow in Ohio Co, KY on > > June 26, 1854 per Ohio Co, Marriages Mary Ann Medcalf is the one listed > in > St Clare Baptismal recrods as the daughter of Charles Medcalf and Mary Ann > Medcalf, an obvious error as to the mother. > > > > Baptisms at St Clare Church, Colesburg, Hardin Co, KY (I have this book) > Pg6 Mary Ann Medcalf, dau of Charels & Mary Ann Medcalf, born Jan 23, > 1836, > sponser Rosanna Medcalf, bapt Sept 1836 > > > > Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) > about Mary Ann Gillespie > Name: Mary Ann Gillespie > [Mary Ann Medcalf] > Death Date: 19 Jun 1914 > Death Location: Ohio > Residence Location: Ohio > Age: 78 > Gender: Female > Ethnicity: White > Birth Date: 25 Jan 1836 > Birth Location: Meade, Kentucky > Father's Name: Charlie Medcalf > Mother's Name: Sallie Caricor > Burial John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds Station, Ohio Co, KY (sometimes > referred to as the Lewis Owen Cemetery) > > Her husband Dr Stephen A Gillespie is buried with his frist wife, Anna > Crow in Midkiff Cemetery in Ohio Co, KY > > > > Jerry, I have the following in my notes, not sure if they are from you or > Linda Reno, it was years ago and I often neglected to source some of notes > in those days, the only place where I have seen Winifred listed as > Winifred > Payne. > > > > p.126 Medcalf, John K 1-27-1835 Sept 11, 1837 > > > > Bequeaths estate to wife Wineford Medcalf, at her death to son George > Medcalf and his heirs forever (all my other children being previously > provided for." Executor; George Medcalf. Witness; James Ball Senior. James > Ball Jr. Book H, p.230 > > > > James BALL Sr. married Rachel CULVER, he was the son of James BALL who > married Margaret BRAY daughter of Henry BRAY and Catherine ? > > > > Margaret BRAY (BALL) was a sister to my ancestor Abraham BRAY who married > Eleanor "Nelly" Baptist HOWARD daughter of John Baptist HOWARD and > Elizabeth JOHNSON > > > > There is a very strong connection of John Kenelem MEDCALF to Jacob KING > who > married Ann ABELL daughter of George ABELL and Elizabeth CRAWFORD > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1785-1800 > Jacob King & Ann Abell > Bond: 22 Mar 1797 > George Abell, father of Ann, signed bond and gave consent in person > > > > Jacob KING and Ann ABELL had the following children: > 1. William KING married Nancy MEDCALF daughter of John Kenelem MEDCALF > and > Winifred PAYNE > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR > William King & Nancy Medcalf > Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 > Philip Read signed bond > William, s/o Jacob King > Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > 2. James B. KING born 20 Feb 1797 married Margaret BALL born 4 Feb 1802 , > Nelson, Kentucky daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > James King & Margaret Ball > Bond: 7 Oct 1820 M: 12 Oct 1820 > James Ball, father of Margaret > signed bond and consent in person > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > 3.Francis KING married Nancy BALL daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel > CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > Francis King & Nancy Ball > Bond: 3 Oct 1831 > James Ball, father of Nancy > signed bond and consent in person > > > > 4. George KING > 5. Ann KING > 6. Elizabeth KING married William BALL son of James BALL Sr. and Rachel > CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > William Ball & Elizabeth King > Bond: 21 Feb 1825 M: 22 Feb 1825 > James King signed bond > Jacob King, father of Elizabeth, consent w/bond > W: James Ball, James King > James Ball, father of William, consent w/bond > W: George King, James King > Married by Isaac Taylor, minister return > > Descendants of Charles Medcalf > > 1 Charles Medcalf b: 1810 in Nelson Co, KY d: April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, > KY > > .. +Sarah Jane Carrico b: 1810 in KY m: December 24, 1834 in Hardin Co, KY > d: Aft. April 28, 1853 Father: James M Carrico III Mother: Theresa Hagan > > ... 2 Mary Ann Medcalf b: January 23, 1836 in Hardin Co, KY d: June 19, > 1914 > in Ohio Co, KY Burial: June 20, 1914 John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds > Station, > KY > > ....... +Stephen A Gillispie b: August 03, 1822 in KY m: June 26, 1854 in > Ohio Co, KY d: March 05, 1900 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Midkiff Cemetery, > Ohio > Co, KY > > ... 2 Elizabeth Medcalf b: 1838 in KY > > ....... +John Crow, Jr m: December 01, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... 2 Ann Elizabeth "Nancy" Medcalf b: 1840 in KY > > ... 2 Teresia Jane Medcalf b: October 22, 1842 in Hardin Co, KY d: Bef. > 1850 > in KY > > ... 2 Lucretia Medcalf b: April 21, 1844 in Hardin Co, KY d: January 08, > 1918 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: January 09, 1918 Magan Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY > > ....... +Charles R Barnett b: September 14, 1840 in Hancock Co, KY m: > March > 18, 1863 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... *2nd Husband of Lucretia Medcalf: > > ....... +Samuel L Midkiff m: April 05, 1866 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... 2 George Washington Medcalf b: March 29, 1846 in Hardin Co, KY d: > April > 05, 1906 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY > > ....... +Martha E Bellamy b: December 21, 1856 in KY m: April 04, 1882 in > Ohio Co, KY d: October 13, 1944 in Daviess Co, KY Burial: October 15, 1944 > Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY Father: Joshua Bellamy Mother: Unknown > > ... 2 Henry C Medcalf b: June 09, 1848 in Ohio Co, KY d: July 18, 1938 in > Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville Cemetery, Fordsville, KY > > ....... +Georgia Alice Roach b: October 28, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY m: January > 20, 1876 in Ohio Co, KY d: 1945 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville > Cemetery, > Fordsville, KY > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maybe you should check before 1810 Census like 1800. There is only two John K. Medcalf's. The 2nd one wasn't born until 13 May 1827, and he left a will identifying all of his children. The only John K. MEDCALF alive before 1827 was John Kenelem MEDCALF. The John K. MEDCALF born 13 May 1827 was the son of John Medcalf and Treacy DICKSON. I suspect his father could also be a son of John Kenelem MEDCALF but I have found nothing to prove that. The Girls I found all state their father was John K. MEDCALF. And the only one who existed at time these girls married was John Kenelem MEDCALF. Many times children are off visiting relatives when census is taken. If John K. MEDCALF had 5 boys, I have only identified 2 of them. Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1801-1816, NCGR Felix Wimsatt & Sarah Medcalf Bond: 1 Jan 1805 M: 8 Jan 1805 Ignatius Medcalf signed bond Consent filed with bond: John K & Winnifred Medcalf, Parents of Sarah Ignatius & Eleanor Wimsatt, parents of Felix Married by S T Badin, marriage register Sarah Medcalf identified both her father and her mother, so no question she's a daughter. Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR William King & Nancy Medcalf Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 Philip Read signed bond William, s/o Jacob King Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf Married by Joshua Morris, minister return This one has to be his daughter also because the helps to identify her brother George Medcalf. Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) George Medcalf & Mary Abell Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 William King signed bond Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond W: William King, Nancy King Married by W S Coomes, minister return Notice his sister and her husband were witnesses Nelson Co Ky Marriage, Bond & Consent, 1817-1832 Jacob Thralls & Eliza Medcalf Bond: 27 Apr 1823 John K Medcalf father of Eliza signed bond and consent in person Charles Medcalf who married Sarah Jane CARRICO, his death notice identified both his parents. So no question these are all children of John Kenelem Medcalf even if Census records don't show it. -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David Lee Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 10:15 AM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John Kenelem MEDCALF 1810 Census Bardstown, Nelson Co., KY Head of House John K. Medcalf Males under 10= 2, 10-15 = 2, 16-25 = 1, over 45 = 1 Females 10-15 = 1, over 45 = 1. 5 boys & 1 girl (Nancy who 1818?) Sarah married 1805, so not here. Where was Eliza who married 1823? Too many girls marrying that don't match census records. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry L. Clark" <jerry876@comcast.net> To: <mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] John Kenelem MEDCALF > These are the 5 Children of John Kenelem MEDCALF who have been identified: > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1801-1816, NCGR > Felix Wimsatt & Sarah Medcalf > Bond: 1 Jan 1805 M: 8 Jan 1805 > Ignatius Medcalf signed bond > Consent filed with bond: John K & Winnifred Medcalf, Parents of Sarah > Ignatius & Eleanor Wimsatt, parents of Felix > Married by S T Badin, marriage register > > > > > > 1850 Nelson Co., KY Census - 329-330 > > > > 2 782 782 Winsett Felix 72 M Farmer > > > 1,500 Md. > > 3 782 782 Winsett Sarah 68 F > > > Md. > > 4 782 782 Winsett W. 50 M Farmer > > > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) > George Medcalf & Mary Abell > Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 > William King signed bond > Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond > W: William King, Nancy King > Married by W S Coomes, minister return > > > > > > Notice his sister and her husband sign as witnesses. > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR > William King & Nancy Medcalf > Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 > Philip Read signed bond > William, s/o Jacob King > Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriage, Bond & Consent, 1817-1832 > Jacob Thralls & Eliza Medcalf > Bond: 27 Apr 1823 > John K Medcalf father of Eliza > signed bond and consent in person > > > > > > > > Charles MEDCALF who married Sarah Jane CARRICO 24 Dec 1834 , Hardin, > Kentucky > > > > > > I hope Bob Alvey doesn't mind me sharing a recent letter from him to me > concerning the Charles MEDCALF born 1810 who married Sarah Jane CARRICO > > > > > > > > Linda Reno, > > > > Bob ALVEY has just found the death record of Charles MEDCALF who married > Sarah Jane CARRICO. This Charles MEDCALF born 1810 so his mother was 47 > years old when he was born. See my comments to Bob Alvey below. > > > > This Charles Medcalf born 1810 another son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and > Winifred PAYNE > > > > _____ > > From: Jerry L. Clark [mailto:jerry876@comcast.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:58 PM > To: 'Robert L Alvey' > Cc: 'BettyY5919@aol.com'; 'EPERRY4616@aol.com' > Subject: RE: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico > > > > Well this is a surprise, I thought that when I saw proof that George > MEDCALF > who married Mary ABELL was a son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and Winifred > PAYNE > an he was signing as Bondsman for James Carrico the father of Sarah Jane > CARRICO who married Charles MEDCALF that it appeared to me that it was > likely George Medcalf and Mary Abell might be Charles Medcalf's Parents, > but > now it appears George MEDCALF was his brother. > > > > > > This is a very large span of years John Kenelem MEDCALF and Wife Winifred > PAYNE were having children Sarah MEDCALF born 1782 married Felix Wimsatt > and > Now Charles MEDCALF born abt 1810. We must be missing a lot more children > of > John Kenelem MEDCALF. That's at least a 28 year span of children. > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) > George Medcalf & Mary Abell > Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 > William King signed bond > Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond > W: William King, Nancy King > Married by W S Coomes, minister return > > > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > > James Carrico & Mrs Henrietta Peak > > Bond: 21 Apr 1828 > > George Medcalf signed bond > > Henrietta, widow of Edward Peak > > > > > > > > > > Nelson Co Marriages, NCGR > Andrew Watson & Mrs Margaret Brown > Bond: 23 Apr 1806 M: 29 Apr 1806 > George Medcalf signed bond > Margaret, widow of Andrew Brown > Married by William Taylor, minister return > > > > _____ > > From: Robert L Alvey [mailto:bobalvey@juno.com] > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:53 PM > To: jerry876@comcast.net > Subject: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico > > > > Jerry, > > > > Found a bit more this morning. > > > > Bob Alvey > > > > Charles Medcalf died April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, KY, see below . Have not > found a burial location but looks like John Kenelm Medcalf is his father > and > Winifred (Payne? see below) is his mother and he was born in Nelson Co, KY > > > > Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) > Name: Charles Metcalf > Death Date: 28 Apr 1853 > Death Location: Ohio > Residence Location: Ohio > Age: 43 > Gender: Male > Birth Date: abt 1810 > Birth Location: Nelson > Father's Name: K Nett Metcalf > Mother's Name: Wimped Metcalf > > > On the 1860 Ohio Co, KY census, several of Charels and Sarah Jane Carrico > Medcalf's children are living with their sister Mary Ann Gillespie who > married Stephen A Gillespie, a widow in Ohio Co, KY on > > June 26, 1854 per Ohio Co, Marriages Mary Ann Medcalf is the one listed > in > St Clare Baptismal recrods as the daughter of Charles Medcalf and Mary Ann > Medcalf, an obvious error as to the mother. > > > > Baptisms at St Clare Church, Colesburg, Hardin Co, KY (I have this book) > Pg6 Mary Ann Medcalf, dau of Charels & Mary Ann Medcalf, born Jan 23, > 1836, > sponser Rosanna Medcalf, bapt Sept 1836 > > > > Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) > about Mary Ann Gillespie > Name: Mary Ann Gillespie > [Mary Ann Medcalf] > Death Date: 19 Jun 1914 > Death Location: Ohio > Residence Location: Ohio > Age: 78 > Gender: Female > Ethnicity: White > Birth Date: 25 Jan 1836 > Birth Location: Meade, Kentucky > Father's Name: Charlie Medcalf > Mother's Name: Sallie Caricor > Burial John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds Station, Ohio Co, KY (sometimes > referred to as the Lewis Owen Cemetery) > > Her husband Dr Stephen A Gillespie is buried with his frist wife, Anna > Crow in Midkiff Cemetery in Ohio Co, KY > > > > Jerry, I have the following in my notes, not sure if they are from you or > Linda Reno, it was years ago and I often neglected to source some of notes > in those days, the only place where I have seen Winifred listed as > Winifred > Payne. > > > > p.126 Medcalf, John K 1-27-1835 Sept 11, 1837 > > > > Bequeaths estate to wife Wineford Medcalf, at her death to son George > Medcalf and his heirs forever (all my other children being previously > provided for." Executor; George Medcalf. Witness; James Ball Senior. James > Ball Jr. Book H, p.230 > > > > James BALL Sr. married Rachel CULVER, he was the son of James BALL who > married Margaret BRAY daughter of Henry BRAY and Catherine ? > > > > Margaret BRAY (BALL) was a sister to my ancestor Abraham BRAY who married > Eleanor "Nelly" Baptist HOWARD daughter of John Baptist HOWARD and > Elizabeth JOHNSON > > > > There is a very strong connection of John Kenelem MEDCALF to Jacob KING > who > married Ann ABELL daughter of George ABELL and Elizabeth CRAWFORD > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1785-1800 > Jacob King & Ann Abell > Bond: 22 Mar 1797 > George Abell, father of Ann, signed bond and gave consent in person > > > > Jacob KING and Ann ABELL had the following children: > 1. William KING married Nancy MEDCALF daughter of John Kenelem MEDCALF > and > Winifred PAYNE > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR > William King & Nancy Medcalf > Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 > Philip Read signed bond > William, s/o Jacob King > Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > 2. James B. KING born 20 Feb 1797 married Margaret BALL born 4 Feb 1802 , > Nelson, Kentucky daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > James King & Margaret Ball > Bond: 7 Oct 1820 M: 12 Oct 1820 > James Ball, father of Margaret > signed bond and consent in person > Married by Joshua Morris, minister return > > > > 3.Francis KING married Nancy BALL daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel > CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > Francis King & Nancy Ball > Bond: 3 Oct 1831 > James Ball, father of Nancy > signed bond and consent in person > > > > 4. George KING > 5. Ann KING > 6. Elizabeth KING married William BALL son of James BALL Sr. and Rachel > CULVER > > > > Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR > William Ball & Elizabeth King > Bond: 21 Feb 1825 M: 22 Feb 1825 > James King signed bond > Jacob King, father of Elizabeth, consent w/bond > W: James Ball, James King > James Ball, father of William, consent w/bond > W: George King, James King > Married by Isaac Taylor, minister return > > Descendants of Charles Medcalf > > 1 Charles Medcalf b: 1810 in Nelson Co, KY d: April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, > KY > > .. +Sarah Jane Carrico b: 1810 in KY m: December 24, 1834 in Hardin Co, KY > d: Aft. April 28, 1853 Father: James M Carrico III Mother: Theresa Hagan > > ... 2 Mary Ann Medcalf b: January 23, 1836 in Hardin Co, KY d: June 19, > 1914 > in Ohio Co, KY Burial: June 20, 1914 John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds > Station, > KY > > ....... +Stephen A Gillispie b: August 03, 1822 in KY m: June 26, 1854 in > Ohio Co, KY d: March 05, 1900 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Midkiff Cemetery, > Ohio > Co, KY > > ... 2 Elizabeth Medcalf b: 1838 in KY > > ....... +John Crow, Jr m: December 01, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... 2 Ann Elizabeth "Nancy" Medcalf b: 1840 in KY > > ... 2 Teresia Jane Medcalf b: October 22, 1842 in Hardin Co, KY d: Bef. > 1850 > in KY > > ... 2 Lucretia Medcalf b: April 21, 1844 in Hardin Co, KY d: January 08, > 1918 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: January 09, 1918 Magan Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY > > ....... +Charles R Barnett b: September 14, 1840 in Hancock Co, KY m: > March > 18, 1863 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... *2nd Husband of Lucretia Medcalf: > > ....... +Samuel L Midkiff m: April 05, 1866 in Ohio Co, KY > > ... 2 George Washington Medcalf b: March 29, 1846 in Hardin Co, KY d: > April > 05, 1906 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY > > ....... +Martha E Bellamy b: December 21, 1856 in KY m: April 04, 1882 in > Ohio Co, KY d: October 13, 1944 in Daviess Co, KY Burial: October 15, 1944 > Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY Father: Joshua Bellamy Mother: Unknown > > ... 2 Henry C Medcalf b: June 09, 1848 in Ohio Co, KY d: July 18, 1938 in > Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville Cemetery, Fordsville, KY > > ....... +Georgia Alice Roach b: October 28, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY m: January > 20, 1876 in Ohio Co, KY d: 1945 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville > Cemetery, > Fordsville, KY > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Probably the three most popular are FamilyTree DNA, DNA Heritage, and Ancestry.com. You will get privacy with all of them. The first thing you should do is see if there is an existing project for the surname to be tested. FTDNA has the largest database, and will most likely have the largest number of persons tested with any surname. There are exceptions where some surnames have decided to go with one of the other two. It may be best to go which ever company has the largest project for the surname, although there are other things you will want to consider. You may also want to browse the Rootsweb archives for lists as Genealogy-DNA y-DNA-Projects and some others to see what people have said is good and what they don't like about the different companies. FTDNA has tests of 12, 25, 37 and 67 markers, plus some specific additional ones. DNA Heritage and Ancestry.com have a 43 marker test (claimed by Ancestry as 46). All the companies test for 3 additional multiple markers that most people (99+%) don't have, and will report them if found. Ancestry chooses to "advertise" those three in the amount they test, even though they know most people are only going to get a report of 43 markers. There is some overlap in the markers tested, but not fully. For a 43 marker test, only 32 are in common with the FTDNA 37 marker test. Only 34 of the 43 marker test are in common with FTDNA's 67 marker test. So, while comparing results from a person who tested with one company who tested with another is not an exact apples to apples results, it isn't a totally different apples to oranges either. If most people of the surname have tested with one company, and you go with another, then you won't have an exact comparison of results. If there are projects with two or three companies, I would also suggest "interviewing" the project administrators for each, especially if there are many things about DNA you don't feel comfortable with as in interpreting results. Besides the size of each project, how often or soon do they post new results? Do they e-mail participants when new results are in, and give an interpretation? Are they willing to answer your questions, or at least give you sources on things they can't? Or, are they an "administrator" who doesn't respond to any e-mail, and is apparently glad that people test to see if they match THEM, but if you don't, you are unimportant. Are the results of the entire project on a website (either public or private) where you can view and compare your results with others? How organized is that page? Does it look like the administrator is active and working for the ENTIRE project, or is there no website, or one that appears poorly kept? Is there a method at the website of comparing results with lineages (usually down to about 1900) or earliest ancestor, so that you can know not only who you do match, but what lineages you don't match? Rick Saunders Group Administrator for SHORT, MOLER-MOULDER and AMY-AMIGH-EMIGH DNA projects http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/short/results http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/moler/results http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/amy/results

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tlr152 Surnames: Herbert, Cottingham, Wilson, Johnson, Bradley, Harrison, Davis, Hampton, Owen Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/4399/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In 1880 my GG- Grandfather listed there home info as "Thomas Store, Saint Mary's, Maryland" They were Joseph and Anna (Indianna)Herbert. He was an Oysterman. So if anyone can help, please let me know as to where the "Thomas Store" is, or was. I am also looking for leads on Joseph Herbert's parents. He was born around 1847 in Md, most liking in or around St Mary's. He was married to the daughter of Abraham Wilson and Ann M Cottingham, Abraham W (ca.1817)was the son of William and Sally(Wilson) Cottingham, married in 1817, in Somerset. Also looking for William Cottingham's parents as well as info in who Ann M's, wife of Abraham Cottingham family was. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tlr152 Surnames: Herbert, Cottingham, Wilson, Johnson, Hampton, Owens, Harrison, Davis Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/4326.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I too would like to know the location. In 1880 my GG- Grandfather listed there home info also as "Thomas Store, Saint Mary's, Maryland" They were Joseph and Anna (Indianna)Herbert. He was an Oysterman. So if anyone can help, please let me know. I am also looking for leads on Joseph Herbert's parents. He was born around 1847 in Md, most liking in or around St Mary's. He was married to the daughter of Abraham Wilson and Ann M Cottingham, Abraham was the son of William and Sally(Wilson) Cottingham. Please email me at tlr@carasan.com if you have any info. Thanks.Terri Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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These are the 5 Children of John Kenelem MEDCALF who have been identified: Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1801-1816, NCGR Felix Wimsatt & Sarah Medcalf Bond: 1 Jan 1805 M: 8 Jan 1805 Ignatius Medcalf signed bond Consent filed with bond: John K & Winnifred Medcalf, Parents of Sarah Ignatius & Eleanor Wimsatt, parents of Felix Married by S T Badin, marriage register 1850 Nelson Co., KY Census - 329-330 2 782 782 Winsett Felix 72 M Farmer 1,500 Md. 3 782 782 Winsett Sarah 68 F Md. 4 782 782 Winsett W. 50 M Farmer Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) George Medcalf & Mary Abell Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 William King signed bond Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond W: William King, Nancy King Married by W S Coomes, minister return Notice his sister and her husband sign as witnesses. Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR William King & Nancy Medcalf Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 Philip Read signed bond William, s/o Jacob King Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf Married by Joshua Morris, minister return Nelson Co Ky Marriage, Bond & Consent, 1817-1832 Jacob Thralls & Eliza Medcalf Bond: 27 Apr 1823 John K Medcalf father of Eliza signed bond and consent in person Charles MEDCALF who married Sarah Jane CARRICO 24 Dec 1834 , Hardin, Kentucky I hope Bob Alvey doesn't mind me sharing a recent letter from him to me concerning the Charles MEDCALF born 1810 who married Sarah Jane CARRICO Linda Reno, Bob ALVEY has just found the death record of Charles MEDCALF who married Sarah Jane CARRICO. This Charles MEDCALF born 1810 so his mother was 47 years old when he was born. See my comments to Bob Alvey below. This Charles Medcalf born 1810 another son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and Winifred PAYNE _____ From: Jerry L. Clark [mailto:jerry876@comcast.net] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 1:58 PM To: 'Robert L Alvey' Cc: 'BettyY5919@aol.com'; 'EPERRY4616@aol.com' Subject: RE: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico Well this is a surprise, I thought that when I saw proof that George MEDCALF who married Mary ABELL was a son of John Kenelem MEDCALF and Winifred PAYNE an he was signing as Bondsman for James Carrico the father of Sarah Jane CARRICO who married Charles MEDCALF that it appeared to me that it was likely George Medcalf and Mary Abell might be Charles Medcalf's Parents, but now it appears George MEDCALF was his brother. This is a very large span of years John Kenelem MEDCALF and Wife Winifred PAYNE were having children Sarah MEDCALF born 1782 married Felix Wimsatt and Now Charles MEDCALF born abt 1810. We must be missing a lot more children of John Kenelem MEDCALF. That's at least a 28 year span of children. Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1833-1848 (NCGR) George Medcalf & Mary Abell Bond: 4 May 1835 M: May 1835 William King signed bond Katherine Abell, mother of Mary, filed consent w/bond W: William King, Nancy King Married by W S Coomes, minister return Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR James Carrico & Mrs Henrietta Peak Bond: 21 Apr 1828 George Medcalf signed bond Henrietta, widow of Edward Peak Nelson Co Marriages, NCGR Andrew Watson & Mrs Margaret Brown Bond: 23 Apr 1806 M: 29 Apr 1806 George Medcalf signed bond Margaret, widow of Andrew Brown Married by William Taylor, minister return _____ From: Robert L Alvey [mailto:bobalvey@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 12:53 PM To: jerry876@comcast.net Subject: Charles Medcalf & Sarah Jane Carrico Jerry, Found a bit more this morning. Bob Alvey Charles Medcalf died April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, KY, see below . Have not found a burial location but looks like John Kenelm Medcalf is his father and Winifred (Payne? see below) is his mother and he was born in Nelson Co, KY Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) Name: Charles Metcalf Death Date: 28 Apr 1853 Death Location: Ohio Residence Location: Ohio Age: 43 Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1810 Birth Location: Nelson Father's Name: K Nett Metcalf Mother's Name: Wimped Metcalf On the 1860 Ohio Co, KY census, several of Charels and Sarah Jane Carrico Medcalf's children are living with their sister Mary Ann Gillespie who married Stephen A Gillespie, a widow in Ohio Co, KY on June 26, 1854 per Ohio Co, Marriages Mary Ann Medcalf is the one listed in St Clare Baptismal recrods as the daughter of Charles Medcalf and Mary Ann Medcalf, an obvious error as to the mother. Baptisms at St Clare Church, Colesburg, Hardin Co, KY (I have this book) Pg6 Mary Ann Medcalf, dau of Charels & Mary Ann Medcalf, born Jan 23, 1836, sponser Rosanna Medcalf, bapt Sept 1836 Kentucky Death Records, 1852-1953 (Ancestry.com) about Mary Ann Gillespie Name: Mary Ann Gillespie [Mary Ann Medcalf] Death Date: 19 Jun 1914 Death Location: Ohio Residence Location: Ohio Age: 78 Gender: Female Ethnicity: White Birth Date: 25 Jan 1836 Birth Location: Meade, Kentucky Father's Name: Charlie Medcalf Mother's Name: Sallie Caricor Burial John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds Station, Ohio Co, KY (sometimes referred to as the Lewis Owen Cemetery) Her husband Dr Stephen A Gillespie is buried with his frist wife, Anna Crow in Midkiff Cemetery in Ohio Co, KY Jerry, I have the following in my notes, not sure if they are from you or Linda Reno, it was years ago and I often neglected to source some of notes in those days, the only place where I have seen Winifred listed as Winifred Payne. p.126 Medcalf, John K 1-27-1835 Sept 11, 1837 Bequeaths estate to wife Wineford Medcalf, at her death to son George Medcalf and his heirs forever (all my other children being previously provided for." Executor; George Medcalf. Witness; James Ball Senior. James Ball Jr. Book H, p.230 James BALL Sr. married Rachel CULVER, he was the son of James BALL who married Margaret BRAY daughter of Henry BRAY and Catherine ? Margaret BRAY (BALL) was a sister to my ancestor Abraham BRAY who married Eleanor "Nelly" Baptist HOWARD daughter of John Baptist HOWARD and Elizabeth JOHNSON There is a very strong connection of John Kenelem MEDCALF to Jacob KING who married Ann ABELL daughter of George ABELL and Elizabeth CRAWFORD Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1785-1800 Jacob King & Ann Abell Bond: 22 Mar 1797 George Abell, father of Ann, signed bond and gave consent in person Jacob KING and Ann ABELL had the following children: 1. William KING married Nancy MEDCALF daughter of John Kenelem MEDCALF and Winifred PAYNE Nelson Co Ky Marriages 1817-1832, NCGR William King & Nancy Medcalf Bond: 15 Oct 1818 M: 16 Oct 1818 Philip Read signed bond William, s/o Jacob King Nancy, d/o John K Medcalf Married by Joshua Morris, minister return 2. James B. KING born 20 Feb 1797 married Margaret BALL born 4 Feb 1802 , Nelson, Kentucky daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel CULVER Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR James King & Margaret Ball Bond: 7 Oct 1820 M: 12 Oct 1820 James Ball, father of Margaret signed bond and consent in person Married by Joshua Morris, minister return 3.Francis KING married Nancy BALL daughter of James BALL Sr. and Rachel CULVER Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR Francis King & Nancy Ball Bond: 3 Oct 1831 James Ball, father of Nancy signed bond and consent in person 4. George KING 5. Ann KING 6. Elizabeth KING married William BALL son of James BALL Sr. and Rachel CULVER Nelson Co Ky Marriages, NCGR William Ball & Elizabeth King Bond: 21 Feb 1825 M: 22 Feb 1825 James King signed bond Jacob King, father of Elizabeth, consent w/bond W: James Ball, James King James Ball, father of William, consent w/bond W: George King, James King Married by Isaac Taylor, minister return Descendants of Charles Medcalf 1 Charles Medcalf b: 1810 in Nelson Co, KY d: April 28, 1853 in Ohio Co, KY .. +Sarah Jane Carrico b: 1810 in KY m: December 24, 1834 in Hardin Co, KY d: Aft. April 28, 1853 Father: James M Carrico III Mother: Theresa Hagan ... 2 Mary Ann Medcalf b: January 23, 1836 in Hardin Co, KY d: June 19, 1914 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: June 20, 1914 John Haynes Cemetery, Reynolds Station, KY ....... +Stephen A Gillispie b: August 03, 1822 in KY m: June 26, 1854 in Ohio Co, KY d: March 05, 1900 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Midkiff Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY ... 2 Elizabeth Medcalf b: 1838 in KY ....... +John Crow, Jr m: December 01, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY ... 2 Ann Elizabeth "Nancy" Medcalf b: 1840 in KY ... 2 Teresia Jane Medcalf b: October 22, 1842 in Hardin Co, KY d: Bef. 1850 in KY ... 2 Lucretia Medcalf b: April 21, 1844 in Hardin Co, KY d: January 08, 1918 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: January 09, 1918 Magan Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY ....... +Charles R Barnett b: September 14, 1840 in Hancock Co, KY m: March 18, 1863 in Ohio Co, KY ... *2nd Husband of Lucretia Medcalf: ....... +Samuel L Midkiff m: April 05, 1866 in Ohio Co, KY ... 2 George Washington Medcalf b: March 29, 1846 in Hardin Co, KY d: April 05, 1906 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY ....... +Martha E Bellamy b: December 21, 1856 in KY m: April 04, 1882 in Ohio Co, KY d: October 13, 1944 in Daviess Co, KY Burial: October 15, 1944 Bellamy Cemetery, Ohio Co, KY Father: Joshua Bellamy Mother: Unknown ... 2 Henry C Medcalf b: June 09, 1848 in Ohio Co, KY d: July 18, 1938 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville Cemetery, Fordsville, KY ....... +Georgia Alice Roach b: October 28, 1858 in Ohio Co, KY m: January 20, 1876 in Ohio Co, KY d: 1945 in Ohio Co, KY Burial: Fordsville Cemetery, Fordsville, KY

Dear List, I realize that 99.9% of all the web sites on Rootsweb world Family Trees claim that George A. MEDCALF who married Elizabeth WINKLER and his brother John Allen MEDCALF who married Frances WINKLER are the sons of John Kenelem MEDCALF. I know Mary Yoder and Melissa Alexander Thompson have both claimed such, but they are mistaken. The truth is that all of these web sites that claim this are false. It's time we get the lineage correct. If that is how you have it in your data base please removed it. George A. MEDCALF who married Elizabeth WINKLER and his brother John Allen MEDCALF who married Frances WINKLER are both sons of a George A. MEDCALF Sr. and Nancy ? this Medcalf line comes from Pennsylvania I believe. Maybe they were at one time from Maryland. If you go to this web site: http://www.usgwarchives.org/ky/ohio/marriage.htm Scroll down until you see the 2 boxes that say Marriage Records. Go to 2nd Box that says Marriage Records 1795 thru 1950 submitted by <http://www.genrecords.net/emailregistry/vols/00009.html#0002227> Joe Taylor Click on Surnames Starting with M When you open this up scroll down to Medcalf You will eventually find this entry MEDCALF, ALLEN WINKLER, FANNY 9-8-1813 A/OCR 13 BENJAMIN KELLEY WILLIAM GALLOWAY Consent of ADAM WRINKLER for daughter FANNY witnessed by GEORGE WINKLER & WILLIAM GALLOWAY dated SEPTEMBER 1, 1813. Consent of GEORGE MEDCALF for son ALLEN witnessed by GEORGE WINKLER dated AUGUST 31, 1813. Now scroll down until you see this Entry MEDCALF, JOHN WINKLER, FANNY 9-18-1813 OD BENJAMIN KELLEY WILLIAM GALLOWAY What we learn from these two entries is that Allen and John MEDCALF are one and the same. The correct name is John Allen MEDCALF notice also that it says Consent of ADAM WRINKLER for daughter FANNY. This Should be Adam WINKLER father of Frances "Fanny" WINKLER Now notice: Consent of GEORGE MEDCALF for son ALLEN So If John Allen MEDCALF had a Father George MEDCALF, where on earth do we get the idea that John Allen MEDCALF was the son of John Kenelem MEDCALF? John Allen MEDCALF also had a brother named George A. MEDCALF who married Elizabeth WINKLER If John Allen MEDCALF and George A. MEDCALF Jr. were brothers then would they not both have a father George MEDCALF? So tell me why does 99.9 % of all the web sites Claim John Allen MEDCALF and George A. MEDCALF Jr. were sons of John Kenelem MEDCALF? I'm baffled, how about you. Doesn't make much since. What usually happens on Rootsweb Family World Trees is one person makes the mistake and all others copy. And that is exactly why I look at these trees but try to validate their claims. In this case they all have it wrong. Here is John Allen MEDCALF and wife Frances "Fanny WINKLER 1850 Carter Spencer Co IN HH 746 Allen Medcalf Sr 58 MD Fanny 53 NC John A 21 Ky Wm 11 IN Elizabeth 19 IN Nancy ? IN Here is George A. MEDCALF Jr. and Elizabeth WINKLER (brothers living next door to each other. HH 147 George Medcalf 49 farmer Ky Elizabeth 47 Ky Geo J 21 laborer Ky Sarah 19 Ky Edward R 17 farmer Ky Presley 15 m Ky Amos 13 Ky Henry A 11 IN Nancy C 9 IN HH 148 Wm H 27 farmer Ky Mary A 21 IN Permelia E 4 IN Geo H 1 IN HH 142 John Winkler 36 farmer Ky Malinda 40 Ky Sarah Wood 22 IN HH 144 Allen Medcalf Jr 23 farmer Ky Amanda 19 IN Sarah E 9/12 IN HH 145 David Medcalf 24 farmer Ky Delilah 22 IN Lydia A 2 IN I found a website which says a Thomas Medcalf was born b: 22 Aug 1794 married an Elizabeth Jones... no citations....... places him as the son of George Medcalf born Maryland. Here's what it says: George sold land to George Jr. in 1829. George Jr. & Elizabeth moved to Dale, Ind in 1837 and sold their land in Davies Co., Ky in 1841. George Jr. died at Dale in 1875. "History of Spencer Co." states George Jr. b. Penn., Elizabeth b. N.C.- 9/12/1847 - Edward Medcalf app'td admin of estate of George Medcalf. Alex Adams posted securities.- 1810 Ohio Co., Ky Census lists: George Medcalf, 3 males under 10, 2 10-16, 2 16-28, 1 26-45. 2 females under 10, 1 26-45.- "So south" states that George and Nancy had 11 children and the 3 oldest sons went to Dale, Spencer Co., Ind - Allan, George Jr., & Thomas. Ok If John Allen Medcalf, George A. Medcalf, and Thomas Medcalf were all sons of George Medcalf Sr. and Nancy ? and they all went to Indiana. Even this researcher has mistakes, but at least he doesn't claim John Allen Medcalf, George A. Medcalf, and Thomas Medcalf were all sons John Kenelem MEDCALF. This researcher lines them up this way: 1 George MEDCALF d: 1845 + Nancy ..... 2 John MEDCALF + Harriet WINKLER b: 1807 2 William MEDCALF b: 5 Jan 1776 d: 28 Jul 1847 + Elizabeth H. BROWN b: 17 Aug 1800 2 Allan MEDCALF b: 23 Sep 1791 2 Thomas MEDCALF b: 22 Aug 1794 + Elizabeth JONES 2 George (Jr) MEDCALF b: 15 Jun 1799 d: 1875 + Elizabeth WINKLER b: 10 Jan 1803 d: 27 May 1859 2 Melinda MEDCALF b: 1804 d: After 1870 + Alexander ADAMS b: 1797 d: After 1873 3 Eli C. ADAMS b: 23 Apr 1828 d: 30 Apr 1892 + Louisa BAKER b: 1 May 1830 d: 12 Apr 1901 4 Francis Sanford ADAMS b: 13 May 1854 d: 26 Oct 1939 + Joletsie F. HARRISON b: 23 Jan 1863 d: 31 Mar 1923 5 Joseph Phonzo ADAMS b: 8 Nov 1886 d: 16 Aug 1918 + Flora Bell GIST b: Abt 1890 4 Martha E. ADAMS b: Feb 1857 d: Feb 1931 + Felix Taylor WINKLER b: 23 Jul 1850 d: 18 Jun 1878 + Ben Joseph ROBY b: 11 Mar 1861 d: 30 Jan 1923 + Henry Marshall WINKLER b: 4 Aug 1856 d: 17 Sep 1934 4 James Mattson ADAMS b: 15 Oct 1857 d: 17 Feb 1915 + Mollie HUSK b: Abt 1858 d: 1890 + Laura Ann BELL b: 2 Apr 1884 d: 21 Apr 1964 4 Marshall Lewis ADAMS b: 22 Feb 1861 d: 8 Dec 1943 + Naomi Rea CLARK b: 28 Apr 1870 d: 8 Jan 1963 5 Ernest Millard ADAMS b: 30 Apr 1888 d: 21 May 1969 + Martha Jane GIST b: 28 Jul 1892 d: 21 Dec 1974 5 Lou Hester ADAMS b: 9 Mar 1890 d: 8 Nov 1921 + Polk Lafoon FOSTER b: 7 Feb 1887 d: 2 May 1955 5 Ree Ora ADAMS b: 31 Oct 1891 d: 15 Jun 1964 + Stewart FOSTER b: 8 Dec 1877 d: 15 Jun 1964 5 Arnold ADAMS b: 19 Feb 1895 d: 3 Feb 1982 + Lucy Maude SPARKS b: 2 Jul 1893 d: 5 Oct 1956 + Adabell Baker SLOAN b: 1909 d: 3 Feb 1982 5 Lola Mae ADAMS b: 28 Apr 1901 d: 26 May 1987 + John T. LANCASTER b: 9 Nov 1905 d: 13 May 1963 5 Mary Lillie ADAMS b: 3 Feb 1904 d: 18 Jan 1997 + George McCoy WEDDING b: 1889 d: 3 May 1964 5 Ardell ADAMS b: 23 Nov 1910 d: 26 May 1998 + David LAYMAN b: 10 Feb 1910 d: 15 Sep 1977 + Herman EZELL + Delbert H. CLARK 5 Brownie ADAMS b: 30 Oct 1913 d: 6 Aug 1982 + Robert Electus FOSTER b: 30 Sep 1908 d: 23 Jun 1982 5 Healer ADAMS b: Mar 1898 4 Alexander ADAMS b: 16 Nov 1863 d: 7 Jun 1951 4 Susan Emily ADAMS b: 18 Sep 1866 + W. J. ELLIOTT b: Abt 1866 4 Eli ADAMS b: 2 Jul 1869 d: 25 Dec 1937 + Elizabeth MAYS + Oma COOPER d: After 1937 4 Charles ADAMS b: 16 Jan 1872 d: 8 Jan 1944 + Laura LANCASTER b: 1872 d: 1951 3 John Quincy ADAMS b: 1830 + Catherine (Kitty) BAKER b: 1834 + Sarah E. HAWES 3 Rebeccah A.(?) ADAMS b: 1830 + Benjamin MUFFET b: 1825 d: After 1860 3 James H. ADAMS b: 1832 d: 11 Jun 1864 + Mary Ann STEP 3 Henry ADAMS b: Jun 1835 d: Abt 1909 + Mary Jane PERRY b: 7 Nov 1837 d: 29 Jun 1891 3 Mahala A.(Anny) ADAMS b: 8 Jan 1838 d: 24 Aug 1912 + G. Berry ROLEN b: 16 Sep 1836 3 George W. ADAMS b: 1844 + Eliza A. HEAD 3 Warren ADAMS b: 1847 + Eliza HOHEIMER 3 Alexander ADAMS b: 1849 d: 8 Aug 1911 + Zarelda HOSKINS b: 1847 3 Eliza ADAMS b: 1849 2 Mahala MEDCALF b: Abt 1806 d: After 1860 + William ADAMS b: Abt 1800 d: 1838 2 Amos MEDCALF b: 1808 + Pamelia .... 2 Edward MEDCALF b: 1810 d: 1869 + Margaret J. BROWN b: 1820 d: After 1880 3 Edley MEDCALF b: 2 Apr 1840 d: 7 May 1892 + Missouri A. WINKLER b: 1840 3 Sarah E. MEDCALF b: 17 Aug 1842 d: 8 Jul 1911 + James Francis WINKLER b: 1 Jun 1836 d: 4 Dec 1909 + David L. PEACOCK 3 Louisa Jane MEDCALF b: 7 Jul 1847 d: 12 Dec 1918 + John Lester CLARK b: 13 Jul 1845 d: 4 Jan 1894 4 Lee CLARK b: After 1870 4 Minor CLARK b: After 1870 4 Alonzo (Lonnie) CLARK b: 30 Apr 1866 d: 31 Dec 1893 + Emma SMITH(?) 4 Henrietta CLARK b: 1868 + W.T. TILLEY + ..... MATHIS 4 Naomi Rea CLARK b: 28 Apr 1870 d: 8 Jan 1963 + Marshall Lewis ADAMS b: 22 Feb 1861 d: 8 Dec 1943 5 Ernest Millard ADAMS b: 30 Apr 1888 d: 21 May 1969 + Martha Jane GIST b: 28 Jul 1892 d: 21 Dec 1974 4 Taylor CLARK b: 1872 + Nannie SNYDER 4 Cassie J. CLARK b: 1875 + Emma CLARK 4 Walter Carter CLARK b: 1878 + Ora HEISTER 4 Cellie Thomas(?) CLARK b: After 1870 4 Lessie Burns(?) CLARK b: After 1870 3 Nancy Ellen MEDCALF b: 1844 d: 1920 + David F. WINKLER b: 1 Jun 1838 d: 7 Dec 1878 + James H. ROWLAND b: Abt 1841 d: 1926 3 William H. MEDCALF b: 1850 3 Thomas MEDCALF b: 16 Nov 1852 d: 16 Feb 1923 + Margaret ... b: 15 Mar 1854 d: 25 Oct 1903 3 Susan M. MEDCALF b: 1856 + John H. MCDANIEL b: 21 Apr 1849 3 Isom MEDCALF b: 1858 3 Mary MEDCALF b: 4 Oct 1862 d: 13 May 1939 + Hiriam Edward WINKLER b: 1 Jan 1860 d: 8 Apr 1918