Thank you for your thoughts. I have been trying for years to find documentation showing the connection with the Lee/Clarke line. I am aware that Dorothy Cissell's was a Leigh. It becomes more complex when my great grandmother told her children and grandchildren that " her mother when visiting her Lee cousins, would attend school at Arlington House with her cousins", or when My great-grandmother and her sisters told their familes they were RE Lee's 4th cousin. We also have been shown the grave site at Arlington Cemetery by my great grandmother and one of her daughters where Alice Lee Clarke was buried while she was visiting her Lee cousins. There are just to many told stories for them all to be false. I do not believe these are fallacies, but truth. It does bother me that you would say that someone just read a book on the Lee family and that is where we got the Lee name. I am aware of the Lee history/Blenheim, and have researched that extensively as well as the facts according to the Lee Society that Alice Lee and Thomas Clarke did have a daughter named Alice Lee Clarke. We continue to look for documentation supporting this family connection. Therese DeSanto In a message dated 2/7/2009 12:40:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lindareno@comcast.net writes: This is what I think and not what I know. You have a little bit of fact and you have a little bit of fallacy. Remember that when this research was done by older family members when there wasn't that much information readily available. Also, the memory can certainly trick you. For instance, you state they said that "The written notes from the 1920's say that John Clarke's father John Roger Clarke Sr. and was married to Alice Lee Clarke, daughter of Thomas Clarke and Alice Lee (Lee Family)." I think that somebody read a genealogy of the Lee family and decided this must be their person. Alice Lee, daughter of Philip Lee and Letitia Corbin did marry a man named Thomas Clark, but these folks were nowhere near St. Mary's County--as close as they got was "Blenheim" in Charles County. Whoever this Thomas Clark was, he was dead by 1760 when Alice married second, Meriwether Smith of Essex Co., VA and there's no indication that Alice had any children by Thomas Clark. Remember that Dorothy Cissell's mother was Dorothy Leigh (sounds like Lee, but not the same). Then we have the name John Roger Clarke. I have never found this man with a middle name. I have seen his name as John Clarke, Jr. but that doesn't mean he was the son of John--he could have been a younger John Clarke living in the same neighborhood and was called Jr. to keep the two separate in the minds of their neighbors. It's up to you now to separate the fact from the fiction and you can only do that with documentation. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: <OurFamilyLegacy@aol.com> To: <MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John (John Roger?) Clark, St. Mary's Co, MD > > > > I have been researching John (Rogers) Clarke who was married to Dorothy > Cissell for over 28 years. Dorothy Cissell and John Clarke are my > grandmothers > great-grandparents, their daughter was Maria Ellen Lee Clarke Davis, who > was > my grandmothers grandmother. > > My grandmother is still alive at a soon to be 95 in March and continues to > tell the same story. The dilemma I find is huge! Research by others > does > not support my research. My great-grandmother lived to be 100 and died > in 1972 > and passed on who were related too often to her children. She was > independent and lived on her own until she died. My grandmother says the > same as her > oldest sister. Her sister (born in 1895) wrote down our family history > from > her mother in the 1920's which states this: > > John Roger Clarke Jr. was born 1789 in either St. Mary’s Co. or Charles > Co., Maryland and died in 1843. He married Dorothy Cissell on October 16, > 1813. > I have always believed his father was John Roger Clarke Sr. and Ignatius > was > the John Sr. father. > > The written notes from the 1920's say that John Clarke's father John > Roger > Clarke Sr. and was married to Alice Lee Clarke, daughter of Thomas Clarke > and > Alice Lee (Lee Family) I have some research that suggest that Ignatius > Clarke > m. Ann Fenwick and then Francis, and John Sr's father was Ignatius who's > father was Thomas Clarke. These notes were written by my grandmothers > oldest > sister as told to her by their mother. > > I do not know where Rogers came from except it is in all family papers, > passed down since the early 1920's. In the late 1970's-early 1980's my > grandmother's niece hired a genealogist in St. Mary's to research the > John Roger > Clarke mystery with no luck. I remember seeing a recorded history in the > early > 1980's in the files at the DAR, but I have been many times over the past > several years, and it is no longer in the files. > > I find it very hard to not believe the history since it was given in the > early 1900's and told over and over through the years. I honestly believe > my > great-grandmother, but don't understand how we can't find anything to > support > it. > > I am planning a trip to St. Mary's to try to research more about this. > I > usually bring my grandmother and mom and we stay at Woodlawn at Ridge, > but I > am planning a trip by myself since it would be easier for me to move > quickly > and probably get a lot more research done. > > Please let me know if you find any additional information. > > Therese DeSanto > Va Beach > > > > > > In a message dated 2/5/2009 11:53:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: franec77 > Surnames: Clark, Cissell (Cecil) > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stm > arys/4401/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Trying to pinpoint the parents of John Clark, born c. 1781, who was > married > to Dorothy Cecil (Cissell) abt 1813. > > If this John Clark's father is Ignatius, which one? > > > Thanks! > > Fran > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would > like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above > and > respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. 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List, I found this old posting referring to William and Ann Evans of St. Mary's. I am wondering if someone has identified Ann's last name? Mike > Hi: > > Is this the correct time period? > > Will of John Evans JJ#2 f234 5/1799; 8/13/1799 > sister, Mary Taylor one shilling > > Will of Ignatius Evans JJ#2 f306 5/1802; 11/16/1802 > sisters, Mary Taylor & Ann Evans my other plantation adj. my brother, > William's > equally divided during their lives. > After their deaths 1/2 to Wm. Tarlton Taylor and half to Richard > Evans, their sons. > ********************* > Balance & Distributions of dec'd, *William Evans, by Ann Evans,* admx. > 2/4/1793 > Widow 1/3, residue 6 children equally: James, John, Ignatius, William, > Mary & Ann. > > > Tom Jennings in Baltimore > > From: "Don & Bonnie White" <doninky@ka.net> > Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Mary Evans Taylor > Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:47:29 -0400 > > > Will of Ignatius Evans, 5/1/1802, St. Marys Co., Md., names his sister > Mary > Evans Taylor as the mother of William Tarlton Taylor, b. 8/24/1759. Which > Taylor did she mary? WTT is my wife's 4th Gr-Grandfather and I need this > marriage record to establish the father's name. Also looking for any > direct > Tarlton connection, which seems implicit in its frequent use in the family

This is what I think and not what I know. You have a little bit of fact and you have a little bit of fallacy. Remember that when this research was done by older family members when there wasn't that much information readily available. Also, the memory can certainly trick you. For instance, you state they said that "The written notes from the 1920's say that John Clarke's father John Roger Clarke Sr. and was married to Alice Lee Clarke, daughter of Thomas Clarke and Alice Lee (Lee Family)." I think that somebody read a genealogy of the Lee family and decided this must be their person. Alice Lee, daughter of Philip Lee and Letitia Corbin did marry a man named Thomas Clark, but these folks were nowhere near St. Mary's County--as close as they got was "Blenheim" in Charles County. Whoever this Thomas Clark was, he was dead by 1760 when Alice married second, Meriwether Smith of Essex Co., VA and there's no indication that Alice had any children by Thomas Clark. Remember that Dorothy Cissell's mother was Dorothy Leigh (sounds like Lee, but not the same). Then we have the name John Roger Clarke. I have never found this man with a middle name. I have seen his name as John Clarke, Jr. but that doesn't mean he was the son of John--he could have been a younger John Clarke living in the same neighborhood and was called Jr. to keep the two separate in the minds of their neighbors. It's up to you now to separate the fact from the fiction and you can only do that with documentation. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: <OurFamilyLegacy@aol.com> To: <MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] John (John Roger?) Clark, St. Mary's Co, MD > > > > I have been researching John (Rogers) Clarke who was married to Dorothy > Cissell for over 28 years. Dorothy Cissell and John Clarke are my > grandmothers > great-grandparents, their daughter was Maria Ellen Lee Clarke Davis, who > was > my grandmothers grandmother. > > My grandmother is still alive at a soon to be 95 in March and continues to > tell the same story. The dilemma I find is huge! Research by others > does > not support my research. My great-grandmother lived to be 100 and died > in 1972 > and passed on who were related too often to her children. She was > independent and lived on her own until she died. My grandmother says the > same as her > oldest sister. Her sister (born in 1895) wrote down our family history > from > her mother in the 1920's which states this: > > John Roger Clarke Jr. was born 1789 in either St. Mary’s Co. or Charles > Co., Maryland and died in 1843. He married Dorothy Cissell on October 16, > 1813. > I have always believed his father was John Roger Clarke Sr. and Ignatius > was > the John Sr. father. > > The written notes from the 1920's say that John Clarke's father John > Roger > Clarke Sr. and was married to Alice Lee Clarke, daughter of Thomas Clarke > and > Alice Lee (Lee Family) I have some research that suggest that Ignatius > Clarke > m. Ann Fenwick and then Francis, and John Sr's father was Ignatius who's > father was Thomas Clarke. These notes were written by my grandmothers > oldest > sister as told to her by their mother. > > I do not know where Rogers came from except it is in all family papers, > passed down since the early 1920's. In the late 1970's-early 1980's my > grandmother's niece hired a genealogist in St. Mary's to research the > John Roger > Clarke mystery with no luck. I remember seeing a recorded history in the > early > 1980's in the files at the DAR, but I have been many times over the past > several years, and it is no longer in the files. > > I find it very hard to not believe the history since it was given in the > early 1900's and told over and over through the years. I honestly believe > my > great-grandmother, but don't understand how we can't find anything to > support > it. > > I am planning a trip to St. Mary's to try to research more about this. > I > usually bring my grandmother and mom and we stay at Woodlawn at Ridge, > but I > am planning a trip by myself since it would be easier for me to move > quickly > and probably get a lot more research done. > > Please let me know if you find any additional information. > > Therese DeSanto > Va Beach > > > > > > In a message dated 2/5/2009 11:53:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: franec77 > Surnames: Clark, Cissell (Cecil) > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stm > arys/4401/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Trying to pinpoint the parents of John Clark, born c. 1781, who was > married > to Dorothy Cecil (Cissell) abt 1813. > > If this John Clark's father is Ignatius, which one? > > > Thanks! > > Fran > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would > like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above > and > respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > > > > > **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. > net/clk;211531132;33070124;e) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Elizabeth -- I wonder if this is the same Metcalf ? Notice the Shackelford surname. The following is from Chris Kraft's webpage here: _http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=adgedge&i d=I36136_ (http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=adgedge&id=I36136) 12.John Metcalfe was born ABT 1724 in , , Virginia, and died 8 May 1799 in , Mason Co., Kentucky. He was buried in "Forest Retreat", Nicholas Co., Kentucky. He was the son of 24. John Metcalfe and 25. Diana Gwatkins. 13.Sibell Farrow (Farrar) was born in , , Virginia, and died AFT 28 Oct 1776 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. She was the daughter of 26. Abram Farrow (Farrar) and 27. Sibill "Seybe" Whitledge. Children of Sibell Farrow (Farrar) and John Metcalfe are: i.Mary "Molly" Metcalfe was born ABT 1747 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died Apr 1840 in , , Shelby Co., Kentucky. She married John Rogers ABT 1772 in , , Virginia. He was born ABT 1750 in , , Virginia, and died BEF Oct 1819 in , , Shelby Co., Kentucky. 6. ii.Charles Metcalfe was born in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. He married Elizabeth Wright, daughter of John Wright and Rosamond Grant. She was born ABT 1760 in ,, Virginia, and died 1779. He married Elizabeth Blackerby ABT 18 Jan 1781 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, daughter of Joseph Blackerby and Judith Rouitt (Routt). She was born ABT 1757 in ,, Virginia. iii.John Metcalfe was born ABT 1752/1757 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died 1833/1840 in "Montrose", Adams Co.,Mississippi. He married AMELIA "Milly" (Mary) SHACKELFORD 1 May 1782 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, daughter of James B. Shackelford and Mary Stamps. She was born ABT 1764 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died 16 Feb 1821 in Flemingsburgh, Fleming Co., Kentucky. iv.William Metcalfe was born ABT 1758 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died 16 Feb 1802 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. He married Elizabeth "Betsy" Barnett ABT 13 Nov 1784 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, daughter of Ambrose Barnett and Judith Neavil. She was born ABT 1765/1768. v.Christopher (Cristopher) Metcalfe was born in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died 1825 in ,, Mississippi. He married Sarah (Sabina) SHACKELFORD ABT 2 Jan 1796 in , Mason Co., Kentucky, daughter of James B. SHACKELFORD and Mary Stamps. She was born AFT 1761. vi.James "Jimmie" Metcalfe was born 5 Aug 1762 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died 17 Nov 1854 in , Robertson Co., Tennessee. vii.Nancy Metcalfe was born 1760/1765 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. She married John Davis 10 Nov 1790 in , Bourbon Co., Kentucky. viii.Elizabeth "Bette" Metcalfe was born 1766/1770 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died AFT 5 Nov 1820 in , Bourbon Co., Kentucky. She married McClanahan Moore ABT 21 Nov 1786 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, son of Garland Moore and Martha Ann McClanahan. He died 1807 in , Bourbon Co., Kentucky. ix.Elias "Eli" Metcalfe was born 13 Nov 1768 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died 20 Dec 1859 in , Fleming Co., Kentucky. He married Sarah "Sallie" Pickett 7 Jan 1789 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, daughter of William Sanford Pickett and Elizabeth Metcalfe. She was born 21 May 1769 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died 9 Aug 1844 in Maysville, Mason Co., Kentucky. x.Ila (Ilai) Metcalfe was born 10 Dec 1770 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died 17 Mar 1824 in , Robertson Co., Tennessee. He married Susanna H. Carr, daughter of Walter Chiles Carr and Elizabeth Chiles. She was born 18 Dec 1772 in , Spotsylvania Co., Virginia, and died 7 Jul 1849 in , Robertson Co., Tennessee. xi.Ira Metcalfe was born 10 Dec 1770 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. xii.Hiram (Keziah) Metcalfe was born in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, and died in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. 24.John Metcalfe was born in , Yorkshire, England, and died 1751 in , Prince William Co., Virginia. 25.Diana Gwatkins was born 1705/1714, and died AFT 23 Jul 1798 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. She was the daughter of 50. Charles Gwatkins and 51. Mary. Children of Diana Gwatkins and John Metcalfe are: i.James Metcalfe was born ABT 1723 in , , Virginia, and died 1776. 12. ii.John Metcalfe was born ABT 1724 in , , Virginia, and died 8 May 1799 in , Mason Co., Kentucky. He married Sibell Farrow (Farrar) in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, daughter of Abram Farrow (Farrar) and Sibill "Seybe" Whitledge. She was born in , , Virginia, and died AFT 28 Oct 1776 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. He married Mary O'Bryan (O'Bannon) (O'Brien) ABT 1777/1778. She was born in , Virginia, and died in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. He married Rhoda "Rhody" Dent ABT 1779 in , , Virginia, daughter of Robert Dent. She was born in , PRINCE GEORGE'S CO. , Maryland, and died AFT Oct 1800 in , , Kentucky. iii.Ann "Nancy" Metcalfe was born in , , Virginia, and died in , , Kentucky. She married William Stamps, son of Thomas Stamps and Mary Rose. He was born in , Prince William Co., Virginia, and died 1771/1772 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. She married Robert Layton ABT 13 Oct 1772 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. He was born ABT 1748, and died 8 Mar 1838 in , Spotsylvania Co., Virginia. iv.Mary "Molly" Metcalfe was born in , , Virginia, and died in , , Kentucky. She married Joseph Morin. He died 1769/1770 in , Loudon Co., Virginia. v.Christopher Metcalfe was born in , , Virginia, and died BEF 24 Mar 1777 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. vi.Margaret Metcalfe was born in , , Virginia. vii.Elizabeth Metcalfe was born 13 Dec 1739 in , Prince William Co., Virginia, and died 1775/1795 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. She married William Sanford Pickett 7 Aug 1756 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia, son of William Pickett and Martha Sanford. He was born 1732 in Cople Parish, Westmoreland Co., Virginia, and died 2 Feb 1798 in , Fauquier Co., Virginia. viii.Sarah "Sally" Metcalfe. In a message dated 2/6/2009 2:51:39 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, mciveli@comcast.net writes: Dear SMC MD Listers, Today I came across an interesting article about the son of John METCALFE of Virginia, while looking for something else. The MEDCALF/METCALF researchers might appreciate having it, if they don't already. With that in mind I have typed it out below for sharing. Enjoy! Sincerely, Elizabeth McIvor Copied from the Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly, Volume 2, Number 3: John METCALFE 1 John METCALFE was born August 20, 1791 in Bourbon county Kentucky. His father was John METCALFE, born in Virginia, and his mother was Amelia Schackelford, also born in Virigina. They migrated to Kentucky directly after the Revolution. JOhn METCALFE lived in Kentucky and Missouri before moving to Texas, in 1849. With his brothers he owned "Mill Springs", a valuable manufacturing center near Monticello, Kentucky, consisting of ten different plants. HIs memory deserves to live as he gave the best years of his life in defense of his country, serving in the Great Lakes Campaigns and later with Jackson at New Orleans. One incident relevant to his service stands out. Jackson drew up his men and called for volunteers to lead a "Forlone Hope". After a moment of intense silence, John METCALFE stepped forward, asking only that Captain Matthews of Natchez, Mississippi accompany him. His mission was to locate Pakenham at the mouth of the Mississippi River. For many miles their journey lay through the swamps; slush up to their necks in places; they were lost and the only food for several days was crow meat. They were fortunate enough to get through and make their report and Jackson never forgot the service. John METCALFE married Francis Norton BAYLOR, daughter of Captain Walker BAYLOR. He died at Brenham, Texas in 1870. 1 Baylor's Quarterly, Volume 1, Number 2, April 1930, p.24. ----- Original Message ----- From: EPERRY4616@aol.com To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 7:30:05 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [MDSTMARY] JOHN MEDCALF & WILLIAM METCALF born bef 1764 - BEECH FORK, KY Rick --Thanks for sending the full citation on William Metcalf [below]. Here's a citation for JOHN MEDCALF, whom I believe also had land near BEECH FORK as well. Let me try to prove it. STEP ONE: Look at the citations below telling us that John Medcalf's land joined Gabriel May... where 1) it says he lives near Medcalf, and 2) the second citation tell us exactly where that land is located.... on Freman's creek a branch of BEECH FORK. STEP TWO: Look at Humphrey May's land which joins Gabriel May's and it states again that it's on BEECH FORK. In other words, we have a WILLIAM METCALF and a JOHN MEDCALF on/near BEECH FORK around 1785. Both of these men would have been born before 1764 to be eligible to buy land. Here are the citations referenced above: Henry, William. Publication 14 June 1786. Location: Fayette county (Ky.). Description: 1080 acres on a small creek waters of Main Licking adjoining JOHN MEDCALF . Source: Land Office Grants Z, 1785-1786, p. 492 (Reel 66). May, Gabriel. Publication 20 January 1792. Location: Bourbon County (Ky.). Description: 733 acres on the waters of the north fork of Licking and adjoining MEDCALF'S survey. Source: Land Office Grants No. 25, 1791-1792, p. 459 (Reel 91). May, Gabriel. Publication 22 May 1790. Location: Nelson County (Ky.). Description: 400 acres on Fremans Creek a branch of the BEECH FORK adjoining Wilsons Preemption. Source: Land Office Grants No. 22, 1789-1791, p. 202 (Reel 88). May, Humphrey. Publication 21 May 1790. Note Location: Nelson County. Description: 350 acres on Fremans Creek a branch of the BEECH FORK adjoining Gabriel Mays survey. Source: Land Office Grants No. 22, 1789-1791, p. 201 (Reel 88). If we have a WILLIAM METCALF and a JOHN MEDCALF, both born before 1765 near BEECH FORK KY about 1785, what does that tell us? Did they travel with William Coomes from Hampshire County, where Francis Coomes and Thomas Wharton lived? Ancestors defined by Manuscript by John Francis Metcalf, b 1825 Great-grandfather -- [Unstated] Medcalf moved to Fort Boon [from MD to VA to KY] Grandfather -- -- -- Ignatius Medcalf, Sr. & Nancy Ann [Unknown], just married* Father -- -- -- -- Ignatius Medcalf Jr. born Ft. Boon & Agnes [Agatha] Catherine Hough* Author -- -- -- -- John Francis Metcalf, b 1825 *Agnes/Agatha Catherine Hough, daughter of Nancy Ann Coomes, d/o William Coomes. Nancy Ann Coomes was 18 years old when the fort was sieged [1788]; see Buchanan's deposition below. Here's what the manuscript of Joseph Francis Metcalf, b 1825, tells us: "It is a settled fact that, the Metcalf that migrated from Virginia to Kentucky, with Daniel Boon in 1782 was my great great grandfather, and helped to build Fort Boon and the town of Harrodsburg, that one of his sons, Ignatius Metcalf, whick [sic] would be my great grandfather, moved to Bardstown Kentucky, he was one of five or seven children in his family. "Ignatius Metcalf [sic] parents emigiated [sic] from Maryland with Daniel Boon to Kentucky, when just married, and helped to build Fort Boon, where the present town of Harrodsburg, Mercer County, Kentucky, now stands." The author is talking about Ignatius Metcalf, Sr. coming to Kentucky with his parents... and that he was just married [to Mary Ann [Unknown]]. So Ignatius Sr. and Mary Ann were married either in Hampshire Co., VA or in Maryland. The author goes on to say that Ignatius Metcalf was probably born at Fort Boon [meaning Ignatius Jr.] Compare the Medcalf's migrated from Maryland to Virginia to Kentucky with that of the Coomes: Francis Coomes & Thomas Wharton moved from Maryland to Hampshire County VA and then William Coomes moved to Kentucky, is that not the same route at the same time? *PETITIONS OF THE EARLY INHABITANTS OF KENTUCKY Petition #7: <snip> Captain William Buchanan gave deposition [Williamsburg, 28 Nov 1788] that Fort _Boon_ (http://www.tiscali.ancestry.co.uk/facts/boon-family-history.ashx) had been attacked by a party of Indian, about 340 and there were only 60 men in the fort including the garrison soldiers, settler. Claim was rejected. Ernie In a message dated 2/3/2009 6:56:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, fzsaund@ix.netcom.com writes: ========================== -- snipped -- **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. 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Dear SMC MD Listers,  Today I came across an interesting article about the son of John METCALFE of Virginia, while looking for something else. The MEDCALF/METCALF researchers might appreciate having it, if they don't already. With that in mind I have typed it out below for sharing. Enjoy!  Sincerely, Elizabeth McIvor Copied from the Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly, Volume 2, Number 3: John METCALFE 1 John METCALFE was born August 20, 1791 in Bourbon county Kentucky. His father was John METCALFE, born in Virginia, and his mother was Amelia Schackelford, also born in Virigina.  They migrated to Kentucky directly after the Revolution. JOhn METCALFE lived in Kentucky and Missouri before moving to Texas, in 1849. With his brothers he owned "Mill Springs", a valuable manufacturing center near Monticello, Kentucky, consisting of ten different plants.  HIs memory deserves to live as he gave the best years of his life in defense of his country, serving in the Great Lakes Campaigns and later with Jackson at New Orleans. One incident relevant to his service stands out. Jackson drew up his men and called for volunteers to lead a "Forlone Hope". After a moment of intense silence, John METCALFE stepped forward, asking only that Captain Matthews of Natchez, Mississippi accompany him. His mission was to locate Pakenham at the mouth of the Mississippi River.  For many miles their journey lay through the swamps; slush up to their necks in places; they were lost and the only food for several days was crow meat. They were fortunate enough to get through and make their report and Jackson never forgot the service. John METCALFE married Francis Norton BAYLOR, daughter of Captain Walker BAYLOR.  He died at Brenham, Texas in 1870.   1 Baylor's Quarterly, Volume 1, Number 2, April 1930, p.24. ----- Original Message ----- From: EPERRY4616@aol.com To: MDSTMARY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 7:30:05 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [MDSTMARY] JOHN MEDCALF & WILLIAM METCALF born bef 1764 - BEECH FORK, KY   Rick --Thanks for sending the full citation on William Metcalf  [below].     Here's a citation for JOHN MEDCALF, whom I believe also had land near  BEECH FORK as well. Let me try to prove it.     STEP ONE: Look at the citations below telling us that John Medcalf's land   joined Gabriel May... where 1) it says he lives near Medcalf, and 2) the second   citation tell us exactly where that land is located.... on Freman's creek a   branch of BEECH FORK.     STEP TWO: Look at Humphrey May's land which joins Gabriel May's  and it states again that it's on BEECH FORK.  In other words, we have  a WILLIAM METCALF and a JOHN MEDCALF on/near BEECH FORK around  1785.  Both of these men would have been born before 1764 to be eligible to  buy land.  Here are the citations referenced above:   Henry, William. Publication   14 June 1786. Location: Fayette  county (Ky.).    Description: 1080 acres on a small creek waters of  Main Licking adjoining JOHN MEDCALF .   Source: Land Office  Grants Z, 1785-1786, p. 492 (Reel 66).      May, Gabriel.  Publication    20 January  1792.  Location: Bourbon County (Ky.).     Description:  733 acres on the waters of the north fork of Licking and adjoining  MEDCALF'S  survey.   Source: Land Office Grants No. 25,   1791-1792, p. 459 (Reel 91).   May, Gabriel.  Publication    22 May  1790.    Location: Nelson County (Ky.).  Description:  400 acres on Fremans Creek a branch of the BEECH FORK adjoining Wilsons  Preemption.     Source: Land Office Grants No. 22,  1789-1791, p. 202 (Reel 88).     May, Humphrey. Publication   21 May 1790. Note    Location: Nelson County.   Description: 350 acres on Fremans Creek a  branch of the BEECH FORK adjoining Gabriel Mays survey.   Source:  Land Office Grants No. 22, 1789-1791, p. 201 (Reel 88).       If we have a WILLIAM METCALF and a JOHN MEDCALF, both born before 1765 near   BEECH FORK KY about 1785, what does that tell us?  Did they travel  with William Coomes from Hampshire County, where Francis Coomes and  Thomas Wharton lived?   Ancestors defined by Manuscript by John Francis Metcalf, b 1825   Great-grandfather  --  [Unstated]  Medcalf moved to Fort  Boon [from MD to VA to KY] Grandfather -- -- --      Ignatius  Medcalf, Sr.  & Nancy Ann [Unknown], just married* Father      --  --  --   --    Ignatius Medcalf Jr. born Ft. Boon & Agnes   [Agatha] Catherine Hough* Author    -- --  --   --     John Francis Metcalf, b 1825   *Agnes/Agatha Catherine Hough, daughter of Nancy Ann Coomes, d/o William   Coomes.  Nancy Ann Coomes was 18 years old when the fort  was sieged [1788]; see Buchanan's deposition below.       Here's what the manuscript of Joseph Francis Metcalf, b 1825, tells us: "It   is a settled fact that, the Metcalf that migrated from Virginia  to  Kentucky, with Daniel Boon in 1782 was my great great grandfather, and helped to  build Fort Boon and the town of Harrodsburg, that one of his sons, Ignatius   Metcalf, whick [sic] would be my great grandfather, moved to Bardstown Kentucky,  he was one of five or seven children in his family.   "Ignatius Metcalf [sic] parents emigiated [sic] from Maryland with  Daniel Boon to Kentucky, when just married, and helped to build Fort Boon, where  the present town of Harrodsburg, Mercer County, Kentucky, now stands."   The author is talking about Ignatius Metcalf, Sr. coming to Kentucky  with his parents... and that he was just married [to Mary Ann  [Unknown]].  So Ignatius Sr. and Mary Ann were married either in Hampshire  Co., VA or in Maryland.   The author goes on to say that Ignatius  Metcalf was probably born at Fort Boon [meaning Ignatius Jr.]     Compare the Medcalf's migrated from Maryland to Virginia to  Kentucky with that of the Coomes:   Francis Coomes & Thomas  Wharton moved from Maryland to Hampshire County VA and then William Coomes  moved to Kentucky, is that not the same route at the same time?   *PETITIONS OF THE EARLY INHABITANTS OF KENTUCKY Petition #7: <snip>  Captain William Buchanan gave deposition  [Williamsburg, 28 Nov 1788] that Fort _Boon_ (http://www.tiscali.ancestry.co.uk/facts/boon-family-history.ashx)   had been attacked by a party of Indian, about 340 and there were only 60 men in  the fort including the garrison soldiers, settler. Claim was rejected.     Ernie     In a message dated 2/3/2009 6:56:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,   fzsaund@ix.netcom.com writes: ========================== --  snipped  -- It states that in consideration of Land Office Treaury Warrant  Number four thousand three hundred and Seventy nine that on twenty eighth  of March one thousand seven hundred and eighty that there was granted to  Joseph JACKSON 500 acres surveyed on 26 March 1784 in the County of Fayette  on the waters of the North fork of Licking Creek on the south side thereof  and bounded as follows: Beginning at the corner of William FITZJERRALDs  survey of 500 acres at two Linns and ash thence S 13 degrees E 200 poles to  an ash and two sugar trees thenc S 53 degrees west crossing a small branch  400 poles to three sugar trees thence N 37 degrees W 100 poles to a corner  of George BRENTs survey of 500 acres thence with BRENTs line 100 poles to  two ash's and sugar tree corner to William MATCALF 500 acre survey in  BRENTs line thence with MATCALFs line N 53 degrees E and crossing the  corner thereof and running the same course with FITZJERRELDs line in all  400 poles to the beginning on the 5th of August 1785. Rick  Saunders -----Original Message----- From:  mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On  Behalf Of EPERRY4616@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:07  PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] WILLIAM MEDCALF  born bef 1764 - BEECH FORK, KY Rick -- If you can read the  original deed, please help us out. I agree that it would be better than an  abstract, if you can read it. As I see it, thie early   William  Metcalf is in the vicinity of Beech Fork. Let's see if that's correct.   Ernie   JACKSON, JOSEPH  Publication   5  August 1785.    Location: Fayette County   (Ky.).  Description: 500 acres on the waters of  the  North fork of  Licking   Creek on  the south side thereof  adjoining land  of William  Fitzgerrald, WILLIAM  METCALF and GEORGE   BRENT.   Source: VA Land  Office Grants S, 1785-1786, p.  102  (Reel 59). **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: franec77 Surnames: Clark, Cissell (Cecil) Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/4401/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Trying to pinpoint the parents of John Clark, born c. 1781, who was married to Dorothy Cecil (Cissell) abt 1813. If this John Clark's father is Ignatius, which one? Thanks! Fran Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have been researching John (Rogers) Clarke who was married to Dorothy Cissell for over 28 years. Dorothy Cissell and John Clarke are my grandmothers great-grandparents, their daughter was Maria Ellen Lee Clarke Davis, who was my grandmothers grandmother. My grandmother is still alive at a soon to be 95 in March and continues to tell the same story. The dilemma I find is huge! Research by others does not support my research. My great-grandmother lived to be 100 and died in 1972 and passed on who were related too often to her children. She was independent and lived on her own until she died. My grandmother says the same as her oldest sister. Her sister (born in 1895) wrote down our family history from her mother in the 1920's which states this: John Roger Clarke Jr. was born 1789 in either St. Mary’s Co. or Charles Co., Maryland and died in 1843. He married Dorothy Cissell on October 16, 1813. I have always believed his father was John Roger Clarke Sr. and Ignatius was the John Sr. father. The written notes from the 1920's say that John Clarke's father John Roger Clarke Sr. and was married to Alice Lee Clarke, daughter of Thomas Clarke and Alice Lee (Lee Family) I have some research that suggest that Ignatius Clarke m. Ann Fenwick and then Francis, and John Sr's father was Ignatius who's father was Thomas Clarke. These notes were written by my grandmothers oldest sister as told to her by their mother. I do not know where Rogers came from except it is in all family papers, passed down since the early 1920's. In the late 1970's-early 1980's my grandmother's niece hired a genealogist in St. Mary's to research the John Roger Clarke mystery with no luck. I remember seeing a recorded history in the early 1980's in the files at the DAR, but I have been many times over the past several years, and it is no longer in the files. I find it very hard to not believe the history since it was given in the early 1900's and told over and over through the years. I honestly believe my great-grandmother, but don't understand how we can't find anything to support it. I am planning a trip to St. Mary's to try to research more about this. I usually bring my grandmother and mom and we stay at Woodlawn at Ridge, but I am planning a trip by myself since it would be easier for me to move quickly and probably get a lot more research done. Please let me know if you find any additional information. Therese DeSanto Va Beach In a message dated 2/5/2009 11:53:32 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, gc-gateway@rootsweb.com writes: This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: franec77 Surnames: Clark, Cissell (Cecil) Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stm arys/4401/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Trying to pinpoint the parents of John Clark, born c. 1781, who was married to Dorothy Cecil (Cissell) abt 1813. If this John Clark's father is Ignatius, which one? Thanks! Fran Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)

Some more information from Dr. Carr re Robert Fords.   http://www.msa.md.gov/megafile/msa/speccol/sc5000/sc5094/001000/001413/html/sc5094-1413-01.html   http://www.msa.md.gov/megafile/msa/speccol/sc5000/sc5094/001000/001412/html/sc5094-1412-4.html   http://www.msa.md.gov/megafile/msa/speccol/sc5000/sc5094/001000/001412/html/sc5094-1412-4.html   Betty --- On Thu, 2/5/09, donald drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: donald drury <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Robert Ford To: mdstmary-l@rootsweb.com Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 8:20 AM Dear List,   I am confused about the early Robert Fords and their spouses.   1st.) I have Robert Ford (immigrant) with wife Lydia   Ref: Gibbs - Supplement to early settlers - Robert Ford of SMC did service by 1663 and his wife Lydia was transported by 1667 (Courtesy moman235@aol.com ) Note: This address is 10 years old and possibly not valid any more.   2nd.) I also have a Robert Ford (immigrant but possibly a later Robert Ford) married to Mary Clarke (d/o Edward Clarke Jr. & Mary Kirkley)   3rd.) There is Robert Ford who died between 1735 when he wrote his will and 1740 when it was probated. I have him married to Margaret per his Will (possibly Margaret Bailey) and also to Mary Heard (widow of James Tant)   First, are any of these marriages correct? Second, how are these men related?   If anyone has birth and/or death dates for any of them it would help to place them correctly.   Corrections greatly appreciated.   Thanks verry much,   Don Drury   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, Here are the Robert Fords in A Supplement to The Early Settlers of Maryland Compiled and introduced by Dr. Carson Gibb, Ph.D. page 82 Ford, Lidia FF:539 SR 8204 Transported by 1667 by Robert of St. Mary's Co., her husband; service by 1663. Transcript. 5:245 [SR 7347]; 10:499 [SR 73521; 12:40 [SR 7354] Original. HH:43 [SR 8206] Ford, Robert FF:539 SR 8204 Of St. Mary's Co., immigrated by 1667 with Lidia, his wife. Transcript. 10:499 [SR 7352]; 12:40 [SR 7354] Original. HH:43 [SR 8206] Ford, Robert 2:197 SR 7342 Between 9 & 10 years old, transported by 1647. Early Settlers of Maryland : An Index of Names of Immigrants Compiled from Records of Land Patents, 1633-1680 by Gust Skordas page 164 Ford, Robert ABH 102 " 1641. A boy. (l, fol. 130). Ford, Robert 10 499 Immigrated 1667. Ford, Robert 15 443 Transported 1673. John S Wilkinson Rome, NY Order your Plants early. Spring will be here soon. -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of donald drury Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:21 AM To: mdstmary-l@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDSTMARY] Robert Ford Dear List,   I am confused about the early Robert Fords and their spouses.   1st.) I have Robert Ford (immigrant) with wife Lydia   Ref: Gibbs - Supplement to early settlers - Robert Ford of SMC did service by 1663 and his wife Lydia was transported by 1667 (Courtesy moman235@aol.com ) Note: This address is 10 years old and possibly not valid any more.   2nd.) I also have a Robert Ford (immigrant but possibly a later Robert Ford) married to Mary Clarke (d/o Edward Clarke Jr. & Mary Kirkley)   3rd.) There is Robert Ford who died between 1735 when he wrote his will and 1740 when it was probated. I have him married to Margaret per his Will (possibly Margaret Bailey) and also to Mary Heard (widow of James Tant)   First, are any of these marriages correct? Second, how are these men related?   If anyone has birth and/or death dates for any of them it would help to place them correctly.   Corrections greatly appreciated.   Thanks verry much,   Don Drury   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to Mary Donnelly, on Sept 22, 1649, Robert Ford made a deal in England to register for transport to Maryland. Archives of Maryland, Volume 41, Provincial Court Proceedings, 1658. Page 147; Wednesday 6th of Octobr 1658. Robert ffoord [sworne & examined the 16th day of June 1654] aged 40 yeares or thereabouts. Maryland State Archives; Land Office (Patent Record) 1661-1664; Liber 5, Folio 245; (MSA S 11-8 1/23/1/8) March 26th 1663; Robert Ford demands 50 Acres of Land for his Wife Lydia she having compleated her Service with William Bretton, Gent. and hath made Oath &ct. ----- Original Message ----- From: "donald drury" <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> To: <mdstmary-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] Robert Ford Dear List, I am confused about the early Robert Fords and their spouses. 1st.) I have Robert Ford (immigrant) with wife Lydia Ref: Gibbs - Supplement to early settlers - Robert Ford of SMC did service by 1663 and his wife Lydia was transported by 1667 (Courtesy moman235@aol.com ) Note: This address is 10 years old and possibly not valid any more. 2nd.) I also have a Robert Ford (immigrant but possibly a later Robert Ford) married to Mary Clarke (d/o Edward Clarke Jr. & Mary Kirkley) 3rd.) There is Robert Ford who died between 1735 when he wrote his will and 1740 when it was probated. I have him married to Margaret per his Will (possibly Margaret Bailey) and also to Mary Heard (widow of James Tant) First, are any of these marriages correct? Second, how are these men related? If anyone has birth and/or death dates for any of them it would help to place them correctly. Corrections greatly appreciated. Thanks verry much, Don Drury ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gibbs, Carson supplement to Early Settlers of MD shows on page 82 that Robert Ford & wife Lidia arrived in 1667. The original Early Settlers of MD page 164 shows a Robert Ford arriving 1673. I assune this was a different Robert, But? I also believe this is one that married Mary Clark(e) 19 June 1719 Robert Ford got 182 acres, named Strand, in St. Mary's Co. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "donald drury" <ddrury5840@sbcglobal.net> To: <mdstmary-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:20 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] Robert Ford Dear List, I am confused about the early Robert Fords and their spouses. 1st.) I have Robert Ford (immigrant) with wife Lydia Ref: Gibbs - Supplement to early settlers - Robert Ford of SMC did service by 1663 and his wife Lydia was transported by 1667 (Courtesy moman235@aol.com ) Note: This address is 10 years old and possibly not valid any more. 2nd.) I also have a Robert Ford (immigrant but possibly a later Robert Ford) married to Mary Clarke (d/o Edward Clarke Jr. & Mary Kirkley) 3rd.) There is Robert Ford who died between 1735 when he wrote his will and 1740 when it was probated. I have him married to Margaret per his Will (possibly Margaret Bailey) and also to Mary Heard (widow of James Tant) First, are any of these marriages correct? Second, how are these men related? If anyone has birth and/or death dates for any of them it would help to place them correctly. Corrections greatly appreciated. Thanks verry much, Don Drury ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List,   I am confused about the early Robert Fords and their spouses.   1st.) I have Robert Ford (immigrant) with wife Lydia   Ref: Gibbs - Supplement to early settlers - Robert Ford of SMC did service by 1663 and his wife Lydia was transported by 1667 (Courtesy moman235@aol.com ) Note: This address is 10 years old and possibly not valid any more.   2nd.) I also have a Robert Ford (immigrant but possibly a later Robert Ford) married to Mary Clarke (d/o Edward Clarke Jr. & Mary Kirkley)   3rd.) There is Robert Ford who died between 1735 when he wrote his will and 1740 when it was probated. I have him married to Margaret per his Will (possibly Margaret Bailey) and also to Mary Heard (widow of James Tant)   First, are any of these marriages correct? Second, how are these men related?   If anyone has birth and/or death dates for any of them it would help to place them correctly.   Corrections greatly appreciated.   Thanks verry much,   Don Drury  

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nlndgrn Surnames: Withington, Wethington, Wetherington Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/666.671.14.31/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In August, 1716, the Friendship of Belfast transported Scottish prisoners to Maryland. October 18, 1716 "a second shipload" was transported to Maryland, but the ship's name is not listed in the source cited below. The ship was likely not the Friendship, since the voyage dates are so close together. Scotsmen taken at Preston, in Lancashire, and sold into indentures to merchants for no less than 7 years. Transported to Maryland, they settled in Prince George's County, "New Scotland". Source: "Side-Lights on Maryland History" Names copied by Scharf from the London PRO (Public Record Office) Ship and Passenger Information: Prisoner Passengers on the second voyage "included": Withington, Richard Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: KayPhillips29 Surnames: Wethington, Ward, Hicks, Clements Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/666.671.14.30.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Was this Matthew the h/o Mary Ann (Meecie) Wethington? If so, she was the sister of my 2nd ggrandmother, Burnetta Wethington w/o Caleb Wethington. Is there an available photo of Matthew or Burnetta? ldphillips@fuse.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

You can also get microfilm via interlibrary loan. I did and it was loaded with info. Bonnie Treon ---------------> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:07:07 -0500> From: kittydoc@indy.rr.com> To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Library of Virginia images> > David and List,> > I had to download a standalone TIFF reader that the Library of Virginia > recommended (even though I already had software that should have read > them), and also disable a security setting in Internet Explorer. Pain > to do, but worth it! The images for land records appear to be > excellent. I converted the TIFFs to PDFs to send to my family members, > since TIFFs are huge. One can also convert a TIFF to a JPG to create a > smaller file. TIFF is archival standard for digital images, but it > produces an enormous file size.> > Mary> > David Cummins wrote:> > Are those images from the Library of Virginia supposed to be readable? > > I get such a low quality GIF that it might as well be a random ink blot.> > ======================================================> > Well, how did it analyze out? Must you go for treatment or will> > time cure?> >> >> > R/ DEC405> > > > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: E-mail. Chat. Share. Get more ways to connect. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_allup_explore_022009

David and List, I had to download a standalone TIFF reader that the Library of Virginia recommended (even though I already had software that should have read them), and also disable a security setting in Internet Explorer. Pain to do, but worth it! The images for land records appear to be excellent. I converted the TIFFs to PDFs to send to my family members, since TIFFs are huge. One can also convert a TIFF to a JPG to create a smaller file. TIFF is archival standard for digital images, but it produces an enormous file size. Mary David Cummins wrote: > Are those images from the Library of Virginia supposed to be readable? > I get such a low quality GIF that it might as well be a random ink blot. > ====================================================== > Well, how did it analyze out? Must you go for treatment or will > time cure? > > > R/ DEC405 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDSTMARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Are those images from the Library of Virginia supposed to be readable? I get such a low quality GIF that it might as well be a random ink blot. ====================================================== Well, how did it analyze out? Must you go for treatment or will time cure? R/ DEC405

Rick --Thanks for sending the full citation on William Metcalf [below]. Here's a citation for JOHN MEDCALF, whom I believe also had land near BEECH FORK as well. Let me try to prove it. STEP ONE: Look at the citations below telling us that John Medcalf's land joined Gabriel May... where 1) it says he lives near Medcalf, and 2) the second citation tell us exactly where that land is located.... on Freman's creek a branch of BEECH FORK. STEP TWO: Look at Humphrey May's land which joins Gabriel May's and it states again that it's on BEECH FORK. In other words, we have a WILLIAM METCALF and a JOHN MEDCALF on/near BEECH FORK around 1785. Both of these men would have been born before 1764 to be eligible to buy land. Here are the citations referenced above: Henry, William. Publication 14 June 1786. Location: Fayette county (Ky.). Description: 1080 acres on a small creek waters of Main Licking adjoining JOHN MEDCALF . Source: Land Office Grants Z, 1785-1786, p. 492 (Reel 66). May, Gabriel. Publication 20 January 1792. Location: Bourbon County (Ky.). Description: 733 acres on the waters of the north fork of Licking and adjoining MEDCALF'S survey. Source: Land Office Grants No. 25, 1791-1792, p. 459 (Reel 91). May, Gabriel. Publication 22 May 1790. Location: Nelson County (Ky.). Description: 400 acres on Fremans Creek a branch of the BEECH FORK adjoining Wilsons Preemption. Source: Land Office Grants No. 22, 1789-1791, p. 202 (Reel 88). May, Humphrey. Publication 21 May 1790. Note Location: Nelson County. Description: 350 acres on Fremans Creek a branch of the BEECH FORK adjoining Gabriel Mays survey. Source: Land Office Grants No. 22, 1789-1791, p. 201 (Reel 88). If we have a WILLIAM METCALF and a JOHN MEDCALF, both born before 1765 near BEECH FORK KY about 1785, what does that tell us? Did they travel with William Coomes from Hampshire County, where Francis Coomes and Thomas Wharton lived? Ancestors defined by Manuscript by John Francis Metcalf, b 1825 Great-grandfather -- [Unstated] Medcalf moved to Fort Boon [from MD to VA to KY] Grandfather -- -- -- Ignatius Medcalf, Sr. & Nancy Ann [Unknown], just married* Father -- -- -- -- Ignatius Medcalf Jr. born Ft. Boon & Agnes [Agatha] Catherine Hough* Author -- -- -- -- John Francis Metcalf, b 1825 *Agnes/Agatha Catherine Hough, daughter of Nancy Ann Coomes, d/o William Coomes. Nancy Ann Coomes was 18 years old when the fort was sieged [1788]; see Buchanan's deposition below. Here's what the manuscript of Joseph Francis Metcalf, b 1825, tells us: "It is a settled fact that, the Metcalf that migrated from Virginia to Kentucky, with Daniel Boon in 1782 was my great great grandfather, and helped to build Fort Boon and the town of Harrodsburg, that one of his sons, Ignatius Metcalf, whick [sic] would be my great grandfather, moved to Bardstown Kentucky, he was one of five or seven children in his family. "Ignatius Metcalf [sic] parents emigiated [sic] from Maryland with Daniel Boon to Kentucky, when just married, and helped to build Fort Boon, where the present town of Harrodsburg, Mercer County, Kentucky, now stands." The author is talking about Ignatius Metcalf, Sr. coming to Kentucky with his parents... and that he was just married [to Mary Ann [Unknown]]. So Ignatius Sr. and Mary Ann were married either in Hampshire Co., VA or in Maryland. The author goes on to say that Ignatius Metcalf was probably born at Fort Boon [meaning Ignatius Jr.] Compare the Medcalf's migrated from Maryland to Virginia to Kentucky with that of the Coomes: Francis Coomes & Thomas Wharton moved from Maryland to Hampshire County VA and then William Coomes moved to Kentucky, is that not the same route at the same time? *PETITIONS OF THE EARLY INHABITANTS OF KENTUCKY Petition #7: <snip> Captain William Buchanan gave deposition [Williamsburg, 28 Nov 1788] that Fort _Boon_ (http://www.tiscali.ancestry.co.uk/facts/boon-family-history.ashx) had been attacked by a party of Indian, about 340 and there were only 60 men in the fort including the garrison soldiers, settler. Claim was rejected. Ernie In a message dated 2/3/2009 6:56:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, fzsaund@ix.netcom.com writes: ========================== -- snipped -- It states that in consideration of Land Office Treaury Warrant Number four thousand three hundred and Seventy nine that on twenty eighth of March one thousand seven hundred and eighty that there was granted to Joseph JACKSON 500 acres surveyed on 26 March 1784 in the County of Fayette on the waters of the North fork of Licking Creek on the south side thereof and bounded as follows: Beginning at the corner of William FITZJERRALDs survey of 500 acres at two Linns and ash thence S 13 degrees E 200 poles to an ash and two sugar trees thenc S 53 degrees west crossing a small branch 400 poles to three sugar trees thence N 37 degrees W 100 poles to a corner of George BRENTs survey of 500 acres thence with BRENTs line 100 poles to two ash's and sugar tree corner to William MATCALF 500 acre survey in BRENTs line thence with MATCALFs line N 53 degrees E and crossing the corner thereof and running the same course with FITZJERRELDs line in all 400 poles to the beginning on the 5th of August 1785. Rick Saunders -----Original Message----- From: mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdstmary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of EPERRY4616@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:07 PM To: mdstmary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] WILLIAM MEDCALF born bef 1764 - BEECH FORK, KY Rick -- If you can read the original deed, please help us out. I agree that it would be better than an abstract, if you can read it. As I see it, thie early William Metcalf is in the vicinity of Beech Fork. Let's see if that's correct. Ernie JACKSON, JOSEPH Publication 5 August 1785. Location: Fayette County (Ky.). Description: 500 acres on the waters of the North fork of Licking Creek on the south side thereof adjoining land of William Fitzgerrald, WILLIAM METCALF and GEORGE BRENT. Source: VA Land Office Grants S, 1785-1786, p. 102 (Reel 59). **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. 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Rick -- If you can read the original deed, please help us out. I agree that it would be better than an abstract, if you can read it. As I see it, thie early William Metcalf is in the vicinity of Beech Fork. Let's see if that's correct. Ernie JACKSON, JOSEPH Publication 5 August 1785. Location: Fayette County (Ky.). Description: 500 acres on the waters of the North fork of Licking Creek on the south side thereof adjoining land of William Fitzgerrald, WILLIAM METCALF and GEORGE BRENT. Source: VA Land Office Grants S, 1785-1786, p. 102 (Reel 59). In a message dated 2/3/2009 3:39:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, fzsaund@ix.netcom.com writes: >Either the typist entered the wrong county for >Joseph Jackson or the early geography permits Fayette >County and Jefferson County to join at this point. These are available digitally as recorded in the Patent Books at the URL below. No need to deal with abstracts. http://ajax.lva.lib.va.us/F/?func=file&file_name=find-b-clas30&local_base=CL AS30 Rick Saunders **************Great Deals on Dell Laptops. Starting at $499. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1217883258x1201191827/aol?redir=http://ad.doubleclick. net/clk;211531132;33070124;e)

Rick, Are those images from the Library of Virginia supposed to be readable? I get such a low quality GIF that it might as well be a random ink blot. Thanks for your help! Mary