Hi David, I have the following: Marriage #1 Washington County Marriage Records: Spalding; Richard to Henrietta Hamilton 7/28/1801 Bond signed 7-25-1801 John Gordon Smith as surety. Father Michael J. C. Fournier Marriage #2 Washington County Marriage Records: Spalding; Richard to Henny Thompson 1/17/1817 POSSIBLE Marriage #3 (needs more digging than I have done.) Washington County Marriage Records: Spalding; Richard to Mrs. Mary Adams 2/15/1827 (This is Mary Charlton 11 Oct 1792 - 4 August 1850) SPALDING, RICHARD AUGUSTINE & HENRIETTA HAMILTON (son of Benedict Joseph Spalding, Jr. & Alethaire Abell)(daughter of Leonard Hamilton & Ann "Nancy" McAtee)(married 7-28-1801 at Holy Name of Mary Church) Baptized Martin Spalding, 6-04-1810, at Holy Name of Mary Catholic Church. Birth date not given. Sponsors, Martin Heutz and Mary Ford. Parents: Richard Spalding and Henrica Hamilton. Baptized Benedict Joseph Spalding, 6-23-1812, at Holy Name of Mary Catholic Church. Birth date not given. Sponsors, Benedict Spalding and Anna Hagan. Parents: Richard Spalding and Henrica Hamilton. SPALDING, RICHARD AUGUSTINE & HENRIETTA "HENNY" THOMPSON (son of Benedict Joseph Spalding, Jr. & Alethaire Abell)(married 1-20-1817 at Holy Name of Mary Church) Baptized Anna Spalding, 11-09-1817, at Holy Name of Mary Catholic Church. Birth date not given. Sponsors, Samuel Hamilton and Henrica Hamilton. Parents: Richard Spalding and Henrica Thompson. SPALDING, RICHARD AUGUSTINE & MARY CHARLETON (son of Benedict Joseph Spalding, Jr. & Alethaire Abell)(Washington Co. Marriage Bond date 2-15-1827) Baptized Susanna Marie Spalding, 6-21-1831, at Holy Name of Mary Catholic Church. Birth date not given. Sponsor, Elizabeth Jarboe. Parents: Richard and Mary Spalding. Baptized George Robert Thomas Spalding, 3-28-1833, by Rev. John Wathen at Holy Name of Mary Catholic Church. Birth date not given. Sponsor, Eleanore Riney. Parents: Richard Spalding and Mary Charleton. Hope this is of help. Mary Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Roberts" <[email protected]> To: "St. Mary's List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 7:06 AM Subject: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." > The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta Hamilton > from Charles County. > I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell > { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} > Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave > at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. > The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of > Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. > I asked Linda Reno. > She also had her as a Thompson. > Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss > Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? > I want to get this correct. > Thanks ! > > The Archbishop is the first in a new series of famous people w/ Southern > Maryland roots - I'm gonna do ballplayer Don Mattingly. Linda has mention > Roy Rogers in the past. > Now, HOLD YOU HAT !! > PARIS HILTON !!!!! > Via Conrad's wife #1 {Paris's ancestor} - roots to Kentucky & from > Kentucky to guess where ? Charles & St. Mary's. > But that's in the future. > > Right now, I gotta find out who Richard Spalding's 2nd wife was. > > David > > David Roberts > Editor "Generator" SMCGS > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

And here is another thought..... The surety for Henrietta Thompson's marriage was Francis Simms. He was married to Alethia Spalding, dau. of Benedict and Alethia Spalding. So, perhaps she was a Spalding. There was a Henrietta Spalding who married a Bartholoman Thompson on 11 Oct 1809. Randy On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:23 PM, C Greenwell <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi List, > > Of course after reviewing what I sent I found a bunch of notes that I > had not read.  RIchard Spalding's 2nd wife was called Nenny Thompson > in her marriage bond, pg 171 Washington Co, KY Marriages by Margaret > Clark Kington, 17 Jan 1817 Richard Spalding m. Henny Thompson by Rev > Charles Nerinsky Book 1-159.  She was not listed as a widow or as a > Mrs. like many other marriage bonds would say. Also I have her birth > date as 1786. > > So, I do not believe that she was the Henrietta Abell who married > Thomas Thompson in 1772 as I had stated previously. Unless they were > not married in 1772. > > Also, if she were Henrietta Abell who married Thomas Thomson on 23 Feb > 1772, then she would be way to old to have children with Richard > Spalding. > > Now, Henrietta Abell, dau. of Samuel Abell, Sr. did marry Thomas > Thompson. Here is the will of Samuel: > > Samuel Abell, 2/1/1795 Washington Co., Ky. To sons: Edmund, Barton, > Peter & Ignatius Abell. To daus.: Eliz. Fenwick, Henrietta Thompson, > Susanna, and Mary Ann. To grandsons: John & Bennet Thomas; Joseph & > Joshua Abell. Exec. son, Joshua Abell Wit.: Benedict Spalding & Robert > Abell. > > Henrietta Abell was living in 1809. Thomas Thompson, her husband, was > also living in 1809. Ignatius Abell, son of Samuel Abell (b. 1710) > made a will, 11/3/1809, in which he named the children of his sister > Henrietta Abell Thompson as John and Elizabeth Thompson and he named > her husband, Thomas Thompson. John Thompson, brother of Thomas > Thompson, also made a will (his dated 10/27/1804) and he named the > children of his brother Thomas as Samuel, John (again), Ignatius, > Elizabeth (again), Susanna, Ann, and Henrietta. They did have a > daughter named Eleanor (from baptismal records). > > Perhaps the Henrietta Thompson who married Richard Spalding was the > daughter of Thomas Thompson and Henrietta Abell? > > I am not a Thompson researcher so this is the best I can do. > > Randy > > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:40 AM, David Lee <[email protected]> wrote: >> FTM CD #229 marriage index shows the 3rd marriage you had as >> SPALDING, Richard  m.  ADAMS, Mary (Mrs) 15 Feb 1827, Washington Co., KY. >> also >> 2nd wife has 45 years between marriages?? >>    Dave >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding >> >> >> Hi List, >> >> This should be a great discussion. >> >> I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 >> Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st >> wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by >> Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a >> Hamilton. >> >> I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel >> Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then >> Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with >> Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. >> >> His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington >> County, KY.  Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion >> County, KY. >> >> >> Sources: >> 1. The Abell Index >> Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell >> Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 >> Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and >> Kentucky and Their Descendants. >> >> 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW >> >> 3. Roy Abell's web site >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 >> >> >> Randy >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." >>> The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta Hamilton >>> from Charles County. >>> I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell >>> { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} >>> Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave >>> at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. >>> The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of >>> Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. >>> I asked Linda Reno. >>> She also had her as a Thompson. >>> Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss >>> Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? >>> I want to get this correct. >>> Thanks ! >>> >>> The Archbishop is the first in a new series of famous people w/ Southern >>> Maryland roots - I'm gonna do ballplayer Don Mattingly. Linda has mention >>> Roy Rogers in the past. >>> Now, HOLD YOU HAT !! >>> PARIS HILTON !!!!! >>> Via Conrad's wife #1 {Paris's ancestor} - roots to Kentucky & from >>> Kentucky to guess where ? Charles & St. Mary's. >>> But that's in the future. >>> >>> Right now, I gotta find out who Richard Spalding's 2nd wife was. >>> >>> David >>> >>> David Roberts >>> Editor "Generator" SMCGS >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Hi. My understanding is that the 1772 marriage for Henrietta Abell and Thomas Thompson is from the Jesuits--they were married at St. FX RCC in SMC. John D. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:12 PM, David Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: >> I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 >> Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st >> wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by >> Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a >> Hamilton. > > These 2 are the parents of Archbishop Spalding. This agrees w/ what I found > from an on-line Abell link to the Archbishop's bio  + info sent to me by > Linda Reno. > >> I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel >> Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then >> Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with >> Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. > > I'm a bit confused here. The on-line Abell genealogy page says she was born > in 1786. She couldn't have been married in 1772 - something's wrong here. > After she & Richard married in 1817, she had 5 children.  If born in 1786, > she was in her 30s when most of these children were born. > But if she was first married in 1772, she had to have been at least born by > 1755. That would have made her in her 60s when she had these children. Not > likely. > > If her first husband was Thomas Thompson .......  if we had a better > marriage date for her 1st marriage to him, this would solve this ABELL vs. > THOMPSON problem. > >> His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington >> County, KY.  Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion >> County, KY. > > This also agrees with what I found. Both Richard & Mary died in 1850 - so > they must have lived just long enough to get on the census. > > Thanks for this info, Randy. > Can you clear up the marriage date for Thomas Thompson & Henrietta Abell ? > Do you agree that Henrietta was born in 1786 rather than at some point in > the 1750s ? > Any idea when Thomas died ? > > David > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:53 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > >> Hi List, >> >> This should be a great discussion. >> >> I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 >> Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st >> wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by >> Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a >> Hamilton. >> >> I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel >> Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then >> Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with >> Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. >> >> >> >> Sources: >> 1. The Abell Index >> Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell >> Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 >> Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and >> Kentucky and Their Descendants. >> >> 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW >> >> 3. Roy Abell's web site >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 >> >> >> Randy >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." >>> The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta >>> Hamilton from Charles County. >>> I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell >>> { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} >>> Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave >>> at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. >>> The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of >>> Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. >>> I asked Linda Reno. >>> She also had her as a Thompson. >>> Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss >>> Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? >>> I want to get this correct. >>> Thanks ! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List, Of course after reviewing what I sent I found a bunch of notes that I had not read. RIchard Spalding's 2nd wife was called Nenny Thompson in her marriage bond, pg 171 Washington Co, KY Marriages by Margaret Clark Kington, 17 Jan 1817 Richard Spalding m. Henny Thompson by Rev Charles Nerinsky Book 1-159. She was not listed as a widow or as a Mrs. like many other marriage bonds would say. Also I have her birth date as 1786. So, I do not believe that she was the Henrietta Abell who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 as I had stated previously. Unless they were not married in 1772. Also, if she were Henrietta Abell who married Thomas Thomson on 23 Feb 1772, then she would be way to old to have children with Richard Spalding. Now, Henrietta Abell, dau. of Samuel Abell, Sr. did marry Thomas Thompson. Here is the will of Samuel: Samuel Abell, 2/1/1795 Washington Co., Ky. To sons: Edmund, Barton, Peter & Ignatius Abell. To daus.: Eliz. Fenwick, Henrietta Thompson, Susanna, and Mary Ann. To grandsons: John & Bennet Thomas; Joseph & Joshua Abell. Exec. son, Joshua Abell Wit.: Benedict Spalding & Robert Abell. Henrietta Abell was living in 1809. Thomas Thompson, her husband, was also living in 1809. Ignatius Abell, son of Samuel Abell (b. 1710) made a will, 11/3/1809, in which he named the children of his sister Henrietta Abell Thompson as John and Elizabeth Thompson and he named her husband, Thomas Thompson. John Thompson, brother of Thomas Thompson, also made a will (his dated 10/27/1804) and he named the children of his brother Thomas as Samuel, John (again), Ignatius, Elizabeth (again), Susanna, Ann, and Henrietta. They did have a daughter named Eleanor (from baptismal records). Perhaps the Henrietta Thompson who married Richard Spalding was the daughter of Thomas Thompson and Henrietta Abell? I am not a Thompson researcher so this is the best I can do. Randy On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:40 AM, David Lee <[email protected]> wrote: > FTM CD #229 marriage index shows the 3rd marriage you had as > SPALDING, Richard  m.  ADAMS, Mary (Mrs) 15 Feb 1827, Washington Co., KY. > also > 2nd wife has 45 years between marriages?? >    Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:53 AM > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > > > Hi List, > > This should be a great discussion. > > I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 > Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st > wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by > Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a > Hamilton. > > I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel > Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then > Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with > Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. > > His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington > County, KY.  Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion > County, KY. > > > Sources: > 1. The Abell Index > Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell > Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 > Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and > Kentucky and Their Descendants. > > 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW > > 3. Roy Abell's web site > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 > > > Randy > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> > wrote: >> I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." >> The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta Hamilton >> from Charles County. >> I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell >> { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} >> Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave >> at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. >> The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of >> Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. >> I asked Linda Reno. >> She also had her as a Thompson. >> Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss >> Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? >> I want to get this correct. >> Thanks ! >> >> The Archbishop is the first in a new series of famous people w/ Southern >> Maryland roots - I'm gonna do ballplayer Don Mattingly. Linda has mention >> Roy Rogers in the past. >> Now, HOLD YOU HAT !! >> PARIS HILTON !!!!! >> Via Conrad's wife #1 {Paris's ancestor} - roots to Kentucky & from >> Kentucky to guess where ? Charles & St. Mary's. >> But that's in the future. >> >> Right now, I gotta find out who Richard Spalding's 2nd wife was. >> >> David >> >> David Roberts >> Editor "Generator" SMCGS >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Maryland Historical Society has Thompson, Thomas m. Abel, Henrietta, 25 Feb 1772 If she had been 15 at time of marriage she would still have been 60 in 1817. This marriage is also on St. Mary's Co., MD records. Does anyone have a record of a marriage of Henrietta Abel/Abell in MD or KY to anybody? There are 6 marriages for Richard Spalding between 1798 to 1827 in Washington Co., KY. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Roberts" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding >> I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 >> Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st >> wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by >> Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a >> Hamilton. > > These 2 are the parents of Archbishop Spalding. This agrees w/ what I > found > from an on-line Abell link to the Archbishop's bio + info sent to me by > Linda Reno. > >> I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel >> Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then >> Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with >> Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. > > I'm a bit confused here. The on-line Abell genealogy page says she was > born > in 1786. She couldn't have been married in 1772 - something's wrong here. > After she & Richard married in 1817, she had 5 children. If born in 1786, > she was in her 30s when most of these children were born. > But if she was first married in 1772, she had to have been at least born > by > 1755. That would have made her in her 60s when she had these children. Not > likely. > > If her first husband was Thomas Thompson ....... if we had a better > marriage date for her 1st marriage to him, this would solve this ABELL vs. > THOMPSON problem. > >> His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington >> County, KY. Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion >> County, KY. > > This also agrees with what I found. Both Richard & Mary died in 1850 - so > they must have lived just long enough to get on the census. > > Thanks for this info, Randy. > Can you clear up the marriage date for Thomas Thompson & Henrietta Abell ? > Do you agree that Henrietta was born in 1786 rather than at some point in > the 1750s ? > Any idea when Thomas died ? > > David > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:53 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > >> Hi List, >> >> This should be a great discussion. >> >> I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 >> Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st >> wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by >> Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a >> Hamilton. >> >> I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel >> Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then >> Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with >> Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. >> >> >> >> Sources: >> 1. The Abell Index >> Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell >> Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 >> Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and >> Kentucky and Their Descendants. >> >> 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW >> >> 3. Roy Abell's web site >> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 >> >> >> Randy >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." >>> The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta >>> Hamilton from Charles County. >>> I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell >>> { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} >>> Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her >>> grave >>> at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. >>> The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of >>> Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. >>> I asked Linda Reno. >>> She also had her as a Thompson. >>> Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss >>> Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? >>> I want to get this correct. >>> Thanks ! > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: David Roberts <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 > Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st > wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by > Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a > Hamilton. These 2 are the parents of Archbishop Spalding. This agrees w/ what I found from an on-line Abell link to the Archbishop's bio + info sent to me by Linda Reno. > I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel > Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then > Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with > Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. I'm a bit confused here. The on-line Abell genealogy page says she was born in 1786. She couldn't have been married in 1772 - something's wrong here. After she & Richard married in 1817, she had 5 children. If born in 1786, she was in her 30s when most of these children were born. But if she was first married in 1772, she had to have been at least born by 1755. That would have made her in her 60s when she had these children. Not likely. If her first husband was Thomas Thompson ....... if we had a better marriage date for her 1st marriage to him, this would solve this ABELL vs. THOMPSON problem. > His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington > County, KY. Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion > County, KY. This also agrees with what I found. Both Richard & Mary died in 1850 - so they must have lived just long enough to get on the census. Thanks for this info, Randy. Can you clear up the marriage date for Thomas Thompson & Henrietta Abell ? Do you agree that Henrietta was born in 1786 rather than at some point in the 1750s ? Any idea when Thomas died ? David -------------------------------------------------- From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:53 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > Hi List, > > This should be a great discussion. > > I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 > Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st > wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by > Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a > Hamilton. > > I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel > Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then > Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with > Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. > > > > Sources: > 1. The Abell Index > Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell > Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 > Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and > Kentucky and Their Descendants. > > 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW > > 3. Roy Abell's web site > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 > > > Randy > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> > wrote: >> I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." >> The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta >> Hamilton from Charles County. >> I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell >> { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} >> Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave >> at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. >> The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of >> Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. >> I asked Linda Reno. >> She also had her as a Thompson. >> Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss >> Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? >> I want to get this correct. >> Thanks ! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: David Roberts <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 > Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st > wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by > Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a > Hamilton. These 2 are the parents of Archbishop Spalding. This agrees w/ what I found from an on-line Abell link to the Archbishop's bio + info sent to me by Linda Reno. > I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel > Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then > Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with > Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. I'm a bit confused here. The on-line Abell genealogy page says she was born in 1786. She couldn't have been married in 1772 - something's wrong here. After she & Richard married in 1817, she had 5 children. If born in 1786, she was in her 30s when most of these children were born. But if she was first married in 1772, she had to have been at least born by 1755. That would have made her in her 60s when she had these children. Not likely. If her first husband was Thomas Thompson ....... if we had a better marriage date for her 1st marriage to him, this would solve this ABELL vs. THOMPSON problem. > His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington > County, KY. Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion > County, KY. This also agrees with what I found. Both Richard & Mary died in 1850 - so they must have lived just long enough to get on the census. Thanks for this info, Randy. Can you clear up the marriage date for Thomas Thompson & Henrietta Abell ? Do you agree that Henrietta was born in 1786 rather than at some point in the 1750s ? Any idea when Thomas died ? David -------------------------------------------------- From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:53 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > Hi List, > > This should be a great discussion. > > I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 > Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st > wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by > Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a > Hamilton. > > I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel > Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then > Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with > Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. > > > > Sources: > 1. The Abell Index > Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell > Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 > Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and > Kentucky and Their Descendants. > > 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW > > 3. Roy Abell's web site > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 > > > Randy > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> > wrote: >> I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." >> The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta >> Hamilton from Charles County. >> I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell >> { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} >> Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave >> at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. >> The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of >> Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. >> I asked Linda Reno. >> She also had her as a Thompson. >> Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss >> Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? >> I want to get this correct. >> Thanks ! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: David Roberts <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 > Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st > wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by > Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a > Hamilton. These 2 are the parents of Archbishop Spalding. This agrees w/ what I found from an on-line Abell link to the Archbishop's bio + info sent to me by Linda Reno. > I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel > Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then > Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with > Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. I'm a bit confused here. The on-line Abell genealogy page says she was born in 1786. She couldn't have been married in 1772 - something's wrong here. After she & Richard married in 1817, she had 5 children. If born in 1786, she was in her 30s when most of these children were born. But if she was first married in 1772, she had to have been at least born by 1755. That would have made her in her 60s when she had these children. Not likely. If her first husband was Thomas Thompson ....... if we had a better marriage date for her 1st marriage to him, this would solve this ABELL vs. THOMPSON problem. > His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington > County, KY. Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion > County, KY. This also agrees with what I found. Both Richard & Mary died in 1850 - so they must have lived just long enough to get on the census. Thanks for this info, Randy. Can you clear up the marriage date for Thomas Thompson & Henrietta Abell ? Do you agree that Henrietta was born in 1786 rather than at some point in the 1750s ? Any idea when Thomas died ? David -------------------------------------------------- From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:53 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > Hi List, > > This should be a great discussion. > > I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 > Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st > wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by > Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a > Hamilton. > > I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel > Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then > Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with > Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. > > > > Sources: > 1. The Abell Index > Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell > Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 > Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and > Kentucky and Their Descendants. > > 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW > > 3. Roy Abell's web site > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 > > > Randy > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> > wrote: >> I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." >> The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta >> Hamilton from Charles County. >> I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell >> { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} >> Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave >> at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. >> The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of >> Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. >> I asked Linda Reno. >> She also had her as a Thompson. >> Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss >> Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? >> I want to get this correct. >> Thanks ! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=24380764 This link should get you to Richard Spalding's grave at Holy Name of Mary on Find-A-Grave. I am not sure why he is being called Richard Augustine Spalding. You can find links to his 3 wives. I contacted Mrs. Wathen in Bardstown yesterday & she got the person who posted the Archbishop to link the Archbishop to his parents. So there is now a link between the Spalding group at Holy Name of Mary with the Archbishop in the crypt of the Basilica of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary in downtown Baltimore. Check these links out & comment - esp. on wife # 2. Thanks, David

David: This Richard M. & Mary J. are Richard Marcus Spalding & Mary Jane Lancaster. Richard was a full brother of the Archbishop; son of Richard Spalding & Henrietta Hamilton {wife #1} The Abell link gave his dates as 1808-1883 It's possible that the Archbishop's father & 2nd step-mother were dead when the 1850 census was taken. Both died in 1850. David -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Lee" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 12:09 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding >>From 1850 census Marion Co., KY > Richard M Spalding 41 (b. 1809) > Mary J. Spalding 34 (b 1816) > The other Richard Spalding in Marion Co. has wife Elizabeth. >

> I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 > Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st > wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by > Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a > Hamilton. These 2 are the parents of Archbishop Spalding. This agrees w/ what I found from an on-line Abell link to the Archbishop's bio + info sent to me by Linda Reno. > I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel > Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then > Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with > Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. I'm a bit confused here. The on-line Abell genealogy page says she was born in 1786. She couldn't have been married in 1772 - something's wrong here. After she & Richard married in 1817, she had 5 children. If born in 1786, she was in her 30s when most of these children were born. But if she was first married in 1772, she had to have been at least born by 1755. That would have made her in her 60s when she had these children. Not likely. If her first husband was Thomas Thompson ....... if we had a better marriage date for her 1st marriage to him, this would solve this ABELL vs. THOMPSON problem. > His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington > County, KY. Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion > County, KY. This also agrees with what I found. Both Richard & Mary died in 1850 - so they must have lived just long enough to get on the census. Thanks for this info, Randy. Can you clear up the marriage date for Thomas Thompson & Henrietta Abell ? Do you agree that Henrietta was born in 1786 rather than at some point in the 1750s ? Any idea when Thomas died ? David -------------------------------------------------- From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 10:53 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding > Hi List, > > This should be a great discussion. > > I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 > Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st > wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by > Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a > Hamilton. > > I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel > Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then > Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with > Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. > > > > Sources: > 1. The Abell Index > Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell > Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 > Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and > Kentucky and Their Descendants. > > 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW > > 3. Roy Abell's web site > http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 > > > Randy > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> > wrote: >> I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." >> The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta >> Hamilton from Charles County. >> I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell >> { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} >> Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave >> at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. >> The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of >> Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. >> I asked Linda Reno. >> She also had her as a Thompson. >> Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss >> Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? >> I want to get this correct. >> Thanks !

>From 1850 census Marion Co., KY Richard M Spalding 41 (b. 1809) Mary J. Spalding 34 (b 1816) The other Richard Spalding in Marion Co. has wife Elizabeth. ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding Hi List, This should be a great discussion. I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a Hamilton. I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington County, KY. Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion County, KY. Sources: 1. The Abell Index Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and Kentucky and Their Descendants. 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW 3. Roy Abell's web site http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 Randy On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." > The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta Hamilton > from Charles County. > I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell > { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} > Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave > at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. > The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of > Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. > I asked Linda Reno. > She also had her as a Thompson. > Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss > Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? > I want to get this correct. > Thanks ! > > The Archbishop is the first in a new series of famous people w/ Southern > Maryland roots - I'm gonna do ballplayer Don Mattingly. Linda has mention > Roy Rogers in the past. > Now, HOLD YOU HAT !! > PARIS HILTON !!!!! > Via Conrad's wife #1 {Paris's ancestor} - roots to Kentucky & from > Kentucky to guess where ? Charles & St. Mary's. > But that's in the future. > > Right now, I gotta find out who Richard Spalding's 2nd wife was. > > David > > David Roberts > Editor "Generator" SMCGS > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, This should be a great discussion. I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a Hamilton. I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington County, KY. Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion County, KY. Sources: 1. The Abell Index Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and Kentucky and Their Descendants. 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW 3. Roy Abell's web site http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 Randy On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." > The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta Hamilton from Charles County. > I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} > Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. > The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. > I asked Linda Reno. > She also had her as a Thompson. > Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? > I want to get this correct. > Thanks ! > > The Archbishop is the first in a new series of famous people w/ Southern Maryland roots - I'm gonna do ballplayer Don Mattingly. Linda has mention Roy Rogers in the past. > Now, HOLD YOU HAT !! > PARIS HILTON !!!!! > Via Conrad's wife #1 {Paris's ancestor} - roots to Kentucky & from Kentucky to guess where ? Charles & St. Mary's. > But that's in the future. > > Right now,  I gotta find out who Richard Spalding's 2nd wife was. > > David > > David Roberts > Editor "Generator" SMCGS > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

FTM CD #229 marriage index shows the 3rd marriage you had as SPALDING, Richard m. ADAMS, Mary (Mrs) 15 Feb 1827, Washington Co., KY. also 2nd wife has 45 years between marriages?? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Greenwell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Richard Spalding - Father of Archbishop Spalding Hi List, This should be a great discussion. I have Richard Spalding's 1st wife as Henrietta Hamilton, married 28 Jul 1801 in Washington County, KY. Bond for marriage to Henrietta (1st wife) signed 7-25-1801 with John Gordon Smith as surety. Wedding by Father Michael J. C. Fournier. On this bond, she is named as a Hamilton. I have Richard Spalding's 2nd wife as Henrietta Abell, dau of Samuel Abell, Sr. and Susanna, who married Thomas Thompson in 1772 then Richard on 20 Jan 1817. Their marriage bond was signed 1-12-1817 with Francis Simms as surety. Her Abell index Ref. # 5-15-32. His 3rd wife was Mary Charlton, married 15 Feb 1827 in Washington County, KY. Both he and Mary show up in the 1850 census of Marion County, KY. Sources: 1. The Abell Index Author: William Russell Abell, John Wathen Abell and Victor A. Abell Publication: West Lafayette, Indiana, 1994 Note: The Genealogical Index of the Abell Families of Maryland and Kentucky and Their Descendants. 2. Book Title: Thomas Mattingly II.FTW 3. Roy Abell's web site http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=t1049&id=I00346 Randy On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." > The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta Hamilton > from Charles County. > I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell > { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} > Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave > at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. > The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of > Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. > I asked Linda Reno. > She also had her as a Thompson. > Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss > Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? > I want to get this correct. > Thanks ! > > The Archbishop is the first in a new series of famous people w/ Southern > Maryland roots - I'm gonna do ballplayer Don Mattingly. Linda has mention > Roy Rogers in the past. > Now, HOLD YOU HAT !! > PARIS HILTON !!!!! > Via Conrad's wife #1 {Paris's ancestor} - roots to Kentucky & from > Kentucky to guess where ? Charles & St. Mary's. > But that's in the future. > > Right now, I gotta find out who Richard Spalding's 2nd wife was. > > David > > David Roberts > Editor "Generator" SMCGS > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta Hamilton from Charles County. I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell { 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of Richard Spalding & Henny Thompson. I asked Linda Reno. She also had her as a Thompson. Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? I want to get this correct. Thanks ! The Archbishop is the first in a new series of famous people w/ Southern Maryland roots - I'm gonna do ballplayer Don Mattingly. Linda has mention Roy Rogers in the past. Now, HOLD YOU HAT !! PARIS HILTON !!!!! Via Conrad's wife #1 {Paris's ancestor} - roots to Kentucky & from Kentucky to guess where ? Charles & St. Mary's. But that's in the future. Right now, I gotta find out who Richard Spalding's 2nd wife was. David David Roberts Editor "Generator" SMCGS

Hello! Conrad Hilton was taught by the Sisters of Loretto. I loved them dearly. He gave them a lot of money to build schools. 1. the Loretto Hilton in Webster Groves, St. Louis area. 2. He built a convent in Las Vegas, New Mexico and 3. there is a motel (formerly a convent / church) in Santa Fe, NM (the one with the great winding staircase). Patricia Bishop Obrist On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:06 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]>wrote: > I'm doing a bio of Archbishop Spalding for the Spring 2010 "Generator." > The Archbishop was son of wife #1 - that's no problem - Henrietta Hamilton > from Charles County. > I found one Abell site that lists Richard's 2nd wife was Henrietta Abell { > 1st step-mother of the future Archbishop} > Find-A-Grave, however, says she was a Thompson - has picture of her grave > at Holy Name of Mary cemetery. > The lady who posted those graves gave a citation to the marriage of Richard > Spalding & Henny Thompson. > I asked Linda Reno. > She also had her as a Thompson. > Before I go to print - was wife #2 a Miss Henrietta Abell ? a Miss > Henrietta Thompson ? or a widowed Mrs. Thompson, who had been an Abell ? > I want to get this correct. > Thanks ! > > The Archbishop is the first in a new series of famous people w/ Southern > Maryland roots - I'm gonna do ballplayer Don Mattingly. Linda has mention > Roy Rogers in the past. > Now, HOLD YOU HAT !! > PARIS HILTON !!!!! > Via Conrad's wife #1 {Paris's ancestor} - roots to Kentucky & from Kentucky > to guess where ? Charles & St. Mary's. > But that's in the future. > > Right now, I gotta find out who Richard Spalding's 2nd wife was. > > David > > David Roberts > Editor "Generator" SMCGS > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am not an expert on stuffed Ham but the term " Stuffed Chine " does not refer to a ham. The "chine" is the backbone, in KY & Southern MO, it was usually roasted with cabbage. The chine was eaten on the 2nd or 3rd day of " Hawg Killen " after the 1st frost in the fall. It was part of hog that was not salt cured but eaten fresh. We did not have refrigeration so hams & shoulders were put into brine then either taken out & "sugar" cured or left in the brine until pickled. Jowls & sidemeat were salted and smoked (Bacon). The ears & snout were made into "head cheese" (souse).The tongue & feet were pickled & canned.The fat was rendered into lard & the rest ground into sausage & smoke cured. The liver, sweetbreads & other internal organs were cooked down in " Hog killing " stew & canned in mason jars. My grandmother did not like chitterlings so those & the lights were given to others who came to help with the killing. We were kept home from school for three days to"help" with the hog killing. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Reno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Help > Below is an article that John Wilkinson shared with the list in 2006. I > would add to this that REAL St. Mary's County Stuffed Ham starts with a > corned ham. I'm not sure what "sweet boiled ham" is. They can call is > Southern Maryland ham all they want, but the original and the real name > should be St. Mary's County Stuffed Ham. > > Linda Reno > > STUFFED HAM WITH A KICK > > > By MARY Z. GRAY; MARY Z. GRAY, A WRITER WHO LIVES IN MARYLAND, IS THE > AUTHOR > OF A BOOK OF HUMOROUS ESSAYS TO BE PUBLISHED BY ATHENEUM. Published: > December 5, 1982 > > Its not true, as some tasteless cynics say, that it takes at least a > 12th-generation southern Marylander to love southern Maryland stuffed ham. > Occasionally one hears of a newcomer - a visitor, even - whose sensitive > palate quivers with delight at the first piquant bite. Piquant, in the > sense > of being pleasantly disturbing. > > Few foods can match the aromatic mixture of sweet boiled ham redolent with > cabbage, kale and onions, laced with mustard seed, celery seed, crushed > hot > red pepper, black pepper and salt. When spiced with a heavy hand, southern > Maryland stuffed ham can curl the tongue and open the sinuses even before > it > reaches the lips. Some restaurants tone down the seasoning, but it is > never > bland. > > For those who can take it, the dish is especially savored because it is > available only in southern Maryland, that remote point of the jigsaw > puzzle > formed by the Potomac and Patuxent Rivers and Chesapeake Bay. St. Mary's > County, the real home of the ham, is about 50 miles south of Washington, > on > State Route 5. > > The Ark and the Dove brought the first settlers to Maryland in 1634, > landing > at St. Mary's City, near the tip of the peninsula, and there is convincing > evidence that they brought the recipe for stuffed ham from England. Many > residents of the county are direct descendants of the original settlers > and > have kept the recipe ''in the family'' ever since. > > There are many recipes, each with minor variations. Some call for ''field > cress'' to be added, and the amounts of spices vary according to tolerance > for such high seasonings. But basically, cabbage, kale, onions, spices and > seasonings are chopped and mixed, then stuffed ''with the thumb'' into > deep > slits slashed in a whole, corned ham. (That's corned ham, not canned.) > > These 10 or so slits, or pockets, must be cut vertically, and on a > 45-degree > angle, each stuffed to the depth of the ham. Any remaining vegetable and > spice mixture is then packed around the ham, and the whole package placed > in > a cloth bag. (Many recipes call for an old pillowcase, sewed or tightly > tied.) The bag is covered with water and set to simmering for four hours > or > more, 20 minutes to the pound. > > When done, it must cool in the ''likker,'' or juice, for at least two > hours. > Then the bag is removed and the excess stuffing repacked tightly around > the > ham, which goes into the refrigerator overnight, to soak up the strong > flavors of the stuffing even more. Total preparation time: close to 16 > hours. If you corn the ham yourself, add a few months. The time factor > alone > could explain why the dish has never achieved the universal popularity of > the Maryland oyster, which can simply be lifted from the shell and allowed > to slide down the throat. > > The ham is traditionally served cold, and often in a sandwich, although in > some homes and restaurants it is offered as a hot, main course. > > ''It's a meal in itself,'' says Cuthbert Fenwick 3d, who serves some of > the > best southern Maryland stuffed ham in St. Mary's County at The Willows, a > mile south of Leonardtown on Route 5. The Willows is a small, family > restaurant with but 10 tables, two booths and a partitioned bar in the > back. > > The 28-year-old Mr. Fenwick, who was born and raised in the county, bought > the restaurant a few months ago from Irene Holdson, who ran it for 11 > years > and who searched the area for an expert in preparing stuffed ham, knowing > instinctively that it took a native to do it right. (Mrs. Holdson is from > ''Ballmer,'' or Baltimore, so does not qualify.) She found her expert, > Helen > Schreiber from Mechanicsville, about 15 miles up the road, six years ago, > and Mrs. Schreiber has been preparing the dish for the restaurant ever > since. She is now ''Chip'' Fenwick's head cook. > > Mrs. Schreiber learned the technique and the recipe from her mother, who > ''used to go around to people's houses to prepare their hams.'' Mrs. > Schreiber's mother had learned from her mother, and back through the > generations, all southern Marylanders. > > At The Willows, simply boning a ham and stuffing the cavity is considered > the lazy and the wrong way of doing the job. ''To get the full flavor > through the ham you have to cut the pockets and stuff each one,'' says > Mrs. > Holdson. Another taboo: preparing the ham before the first frost. ''The > stuffing sours too easily to keep it around in warm weather.'' > > There are rumors that the dish appears on some Kentucky tables at Easter, > a > phenomenon explainable by the fact that a few early Maryland settlers went > to Kentucky in the late 1700's. Otherwise, it remains in St. Mary's > County. > Oh, it has traveled a bit for special occasions - a White House dinner > during the Eisenhower Administration, a British Embassy banquet honoring > the > late Lord Louis Mountbatten, the Governor's Mansion, and the Maryland > Pavilion of the 1964-1965 New York World's Fair, where 28,000 orders were > served. > > There are numerous stories about the origin of the dish. One says it > originated in the county in the early 18th century when a slave at St. > Inigoes Manor House dished it up as a special Easter treat for the Jesuit > Fathers emerging from their Lenten fast. > > The most credible stories, however, trace the recipe back to 16th century > England. A personal note on George Calvert, the first Lord Baltimore, > recorded in English archives of 1599, mentions that as a boy he partook of > stuffed ham while at the ''ancient family estate'' on the Yorkshire coast. > It was the Calverts, of course, who founded Maryland. ''Stuffed Chine,'' a > familiar recipe in Elizabethan England, called for a ''Bradenham gammon > (ham) ... cut to the bone with slots and a mixture of herbs and lots of > parsley pressed in, tied in muslin and boiled.'' > > Although there seem to be no traditional vegetables or condiments served > with the ham, beaten biscuits are often put on the table when it is > prepared > in homes in the county. These biscuits, which resemble small cannonballs, > and are almost as hard on the outside, are beaten (with an axe, says one > old > recipe) for no less than 20 minutes before baking. Restaurants do not > feature them. > > The Willows charges $2.50 for a stuffed ham sandwich, while the ham plate > is > $7.95 with vegetables and salad, plus individual loaves of homemade bread > and coffee. The ham is served only in winter. The restaurant also serves a > seafood imperial dinner, with shrimp lobster and crab, for $8.75. (The > Willows is open Tuesday through Saturday from 11 A.M. to 11 P.M and on > Monday from 11 to 3; in summer it opens on Sunday, 1 to 9. > > The few other St. Mary's County restaurants - there are not many down > there > -that also serve authentic stuffed ham include the St. Mary's Landing on > Route 5 in Charlotte Hall, and the Belvedere Motor Inn on State Route 235 > in > Lexington Park. At the St. Mary's Landing, the ham sandwich costs $2; and > the ham with a vegetable, salad and bread is $3.50. A stuffed ham dinner > costs $6.95. The Belvedere lunch menu offers ham on a roll, with coleslaw > and french fries, for $2.65. On the dinner menu it is a cold platter for > $9.25, including an appetizer, salad, choice of potato, three vegetables > and > rolls. Both places are able to serve the ham the year round because of > their > large cold-storage spaces. > > John S Wilkinson, Rome, New York > > From: "John S Wilkinson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 9:22 AM > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of David Cummins > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 6:39 PM > To: SMC Maryland > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Help > > > I receive a newsletter about the area around Prescott, AR. > > The owner, about every five years, does a cook book and > I want to influence that part of the world with stuffed ham, > SMC style. > > So, while I have several stuffed ham receipts stowed away, > a recent reorganization of my files makes it a bit difficult to > bring them up to forward, without a struggle. > > So, if any of you guys have stuffed ham data that is easy to > get at, I would much appreciate receiving them. Origin, > names and any history would also be appreciated and will > be sent along to Arkansas. > > > R/ DEC405 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I worked a bit and made a soul searching, heart turning, mouth watering and for forever remembering type msg for the Rock Turner in Arkansas. He might think it a bit long, but details are critical with SMC stuffed ham. (I watched my GM do it a few times). I very much appreciate you all's efforts on the behalf of bringing Prescott, AR into the real eating world of St Mary's County, MD. Thank you Linda and John. R/ DEC405

You asked for it David, Here is 7 years of research on St. Mary's County Stuffed Ham. NY TIMES December 5, 1982 http://www.nytimes.com/1982/12/05/travel/stuffed-ham-with-a-kick.htmlSTUFFED HAM WITH A KICK By Mary Z. Gray; MARY Z. GRAY, a writer who lives in Maryland, is the author of a book of humorous essays to be published by Atheneum. Published: December 5, 1982 It's not true, as some tasteless cynics say, that it takes at least a 12th-generation southern Marylander to love southern Maryland stuffed ham. Occasionally one hears of a newcomer - a visitor, even - whose sensitive palate quivers with delight at the first piquant bite. Piquant, in the sense of being pleasantly disturbing. Few foods can match the aromatic mixture of sweet boiled ham redolent with cabbage, kale and onions, laced with mustard seed, celery seed, crushed hot red pepper, black pepper and salt. When spiced with a heavy hand, southern Maryland stuffed ham can curl the tongue and open the sinuses even before it reaches the lips. Some restaurants tone down the seasoning, but it is never bland. For those who can take it, the dish is especially savored because it is available only in southern Maryland, that remote point of the jigsaw puzzle formed by the Potomac and Patuxent Rivers and Chesapeake Bay. St. Mary's County, the real home of the ham, is about 50 miles south of Washington, on State Route 5. The Ark and the Dove brought the first settlers to Maryland in 1634, landing at St. Mary's City, near the tip of the peninsula, and there is convincing evidence that they brought the recipe for stuffed ham from England. Many residents of the county are direct descendants of the original settlers and have kept the recipe ''in the family'' ever since. There are many recipes, each with minor variations. Some call for ''field cress'' to be added, and the amounts of spices vary according to tolerance for such high seasonings. But basically, cabbage, kale, onions, spices and seasonings are chopped and mixed, then stuffed ''with the thumb'' into deep slits slashed in a whole, corned ham. (That's corned ham, not canned.) These 10 or so slits, or pockets, must be cut vertically, and on a 45-degree angle, each stuffed to the depth of the ham. Any remaining vegetable and spice mixture is then packed around the ham, and the whole package placed in a cloth bag. (Many recipes call for an old pillowcase, sewed or tightly tied.) The bag is covered with water and set to simmering for four hours or more, 20 minutes to the pound. When done, it must cool in the ''likker,'' or juice, for at least two hours. Then the bag is removed and the excess stuffing repacked tightly around the ham, which goes into the refrigerator overnight, to soak up the strong flavors of the stuffing even more. Total preparation time: close to 16 hours. If you corn the ham yourself, add a few months. The time factor alone could explain why the dish has never achieved the universal popularity of the Maryland oyster, which can simply be lifted from the shell and allowed to slide down the throat. The ham is traditionally served cold, and often in a sandwich, although in some homes and restaurants it is offered as a hot, main course. ''It's a meal in itself,'' says Cuthbert Fenwick 3d, who serves some of the best southern Maryland stuffed ham in St. Mary's County at The Willows, a mile south of Leonardtown on Route 5. The Willows is a small, family restaurant with but 10 tables, two booths and a partitioned bar in the back. The 28-year-old Mr. Fenwick, who was born and raised in the county, bought the restaurant a few months ago from Irene Holdson, who ran it for 11 years and who searched the area for an expert in preparing stuffed ham, knowing instinctively that it took a native to do it right. (Mrs. Holdson is from ''Ballmer,'' or Baltimore, so does not qualify.) She found her expert, Helen Schreiber from Mechanicsville, about 15 miles up the road, six years ago, and Mrs. Schreiber has been preparing the dish for the restaurant ever since. She is now ''Chip'' Fenwick's head cook. Mrs. Schreiber learned the technique and the recipe from her mother, who ''used to go around to people's houses to prepare their hams.'' Mrs. Schreiber's mother had learned from her mother, and back through the generations, all southern Marylanders. At The Willows, simply boning a ham and stuffing the cavity is considered the lazy and the wrong way of doing the job. ''To get the full flavor through the ham you have to cut the pockets and stuff each one,'' says Mrs. Holdson. Another taboo: preparing the ham before the first frost. ''The stuffing sours too easily to keep it around in warm weather.'' (Page 2 of 2) There are rumors that the dish appears on some Kentucky tables at Easter, a phenomenon explainable by the fact that a few early Maryland settlers went to Kentucky in the late 1700's. Otherwise, it remains in St. Mary's County. Oh, it has traveled a bit for special occasions - a White House dinner during the Eisenhower Administration, a British Embassy banquet honoring the late Lord Louis Mountbatten, the Governor's Mansion, and the Maryland Pavilion of the 1964-1965 New York World's Fair, where 28,000 orders were served. There are numerous stories about the origin of the dish. One says it originated in the county in the early 18th century when a slave at St. Inigoes Manor House dished it up as a special Easter treat for the Jesuit Fathers emerging from their Lenten fast. The most credible stories, however, trace the recipe back to 16thcentury England. A personal note on George Calvert, the first Lord Baltimore, recorded in English archives of 1599, mentions that as a boy he partook of stuffed ham while at the ''ancient family estate'' on the Yorkshire coast. It was the Calverts, of course, who founded Maryland. ''Stuffed Chine,'' a familiar recipe in Elizabethan England, called for a ''Bradenham gammon (ham) ... cut to the bone with slots and a mixture of herbs and lots of parsley pressed in, tied in muslin and boiled.'' Although there seem to be no traditional vegetables or condiments served with the ham, beaten biscuits are often put on the table when it is prepared in homes in the county. These biscuits, which resemble small cannonballs, and are almost as hard on the outside, are beaten (with an axe, says one old recipe) for no less than 20 minutes before baking. Restaurants do not feature them. The Willows charges $2.50 for a stuffed ham sandwich, while the ham plate is $7.95 with vegetables and salad, plus individual loaves of homemade bread and coffee. The ham is served only in winter. The restaurant also serves a seafood imperial dinner, with shrimp lobster and crab, for $8.75. (The Willows is open Tuesday through Saturday from 11 A.M. to 11 P.M and on Monday from 11 to 3; in summer it opens on Sunday, 1 to 9. The few other St. Mary's County restaurants - there are not many down there -that also serve authentic stuffed ham include the St. Mary's Landing on Route 5 in Charlotte Hall, and the Belvedere Motor Inn on State Route 235 in Lexington Park. At the St. Mary's Landing, the ham sandwich costs $2; and the ham with a vegetable, salad and bread is $3.50. A stuffed ham dinner costs $6.95. The Belvedere lunch menu offers ham on a roll, with coleslaw and french fries, for $2.65. On the dinner menu it is a cold platter for $9.25, including an appetizer, salad, choice of potato, three vegetables and rolls. Both places are able to serve the ham the year round because of their large cold-storage spaces. As you can see there are as many recipes as there are Countains. St. Mary's County Thanksgiving Stuffed Ham Huffington Post | Huffington Post Commenter meteor First Posted: 11-21-07 10:27 AM | Updated: 03-28-08 02:45 AM Here in St. Mary's County [Maryland], we do a stuffed ham. They vary if you live "up county" or "down county." Use a corned ham. We use a butt half with the bone in about 12 lbs. Some do a whole ham, about 24 lbs. Some have the bone removed. It takes a lot of greens run through a food processor. We use kale, cabbage(s), 4 large onions. A large canning pot about 2/3 to 3/4 quarter full of chopped greens is about right. Blanch the greens with a couple gallons of boiling water. Drain off the water and add the spices stirring well into the greens. The recipes vary on the spices, basically salt, pepper, red or hot pepper, lots of mustard seed and whole celery seed, for visual interest as well as taste, and dry mustard powder. You cut many slits down into the ham; some do a curved slits or crosses. Pack the slits as full of the greens as you can. Easier to do this in the sink, ham in a shallow pan and the greens in the other side. This takes about a half an hour just to stuff the ham. Any remaining greens can be packed on top of the ham. Wrap the ham in cheese cloth or cotton material and wrap and tie it snug with some heavy thread or cord. The ham is then placed in a canning pot with the rack in the bottom to keep it off the bottom. Cover the ham or almost cover it with water and take to boiling and then cook for 20 minutes per pound or about four to five hours. This is a labor intensive process, kind of a family thing. The ham should cool for at least a day in the refrigerator and it is served cold, not re-heated. Serving the ham with dinner rolls large enough to make a sandwich is also part of the culture. Great with a beer for lunch in the following days. ~~~~~~~~~~ Chaptico Market Chaptico - 301-884-3308 Lenny's Restaurant California - 301-737-0777 McKay's Food & Drug Hollywood, California, Charlotte Hall and Lexington Park - 301-475-2531 Murphy s Town & Country Avenue 301-769-3131 Raley's Town & Country Market Ridge - 301-872-5121 St. Mary's Landing Restaurant Charlotte Hall - 301-884-3287 ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Stuffed Ham Recipe Southern Maryland Stuffed Ham can be made several ways. From mild to hot, from having just cabbage to having an equal mixture of cabbage and kale, some with watercress and celery, some without, there is no wrong way. Here is a recipe for our delicious St. Mary s County delicacy if you would like to try your hand at serving this for your next holiday meal. St. Mary s County Stuffed Ham Chaptico Market s Recipe 1 corned ham weighing 20 25 lbs Store will de-bone for you 4 lbs of kale 2 large heads of cabbage 1/2 bunch of celery (stalks only) 2 large onions Chop all ingredients into small pieces. You may use a food processor. Be careful not to chop too fine. Bring a large pot of water to a rolling boil. Blanche cabbage and kale until just soft. Remove and drain. Let your ingredients cool then add chopped onions and celery. Spices < - = Cup salt = Cup black pepper < Cup ground red pepper = Cup crushed red pepper (Amounts vary according to taste) In large bowl mix spices into stuffing. Stuffing your ham Cut twelve 3 slits into ham on both sides. Generously stuff the ham until it will hold no more in slits. Place remaining stuffing on top. Wrap ham in cheesecloth. Cooking Place ham in a large pot. Bring water to a rolling boil. Reduce heat to low boil and cook ham 20 minutes per pound until it reaches 155 degrees on a food thermometer. Keep water level over ham at all times. Carefully remove ham from pot. Cooling Quarter ham and place directly into an ice bath (ice and water to cover entire ham). Add ice frequently! Cool until ham reaches 140 degrees then place in refrigerator until it reaches 45 degrees on a food thermometer. This process can take up to 6 hours. This recipe is a spicy version of stuffed ham. There are many variations. Experiment with the ingredients to come up with a recipe that is uniquely yours and start your own tradition. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ St. Mary s County lore has several variations on how stuffed ham came about. One such story is that slaves working on plantations in St. Mary s used greens such as kale, cabbage, onions and watercress from their small gardens and stuffed them into the parts of the hog they were given such as the jowl, feet and stomach to make them tastier. When plantation owners had the occasion to taste this dish they then started to serve it. Another theory is that a cook for the Jesuit Priests at St. Inigoes Manor wanted to serve a special treat following the Lenten Fast and created Stuffed Ham for Easter. The third theory is that it was created by an English immigrant farm wife who used what she had on hand to dress up the traditional pork for Easter. In the spring she used cabbage and onions from the root cellar, watercress and wild onions from the fields. In the fall, kale was substituted for the cabbage. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ St. Mary s County Stuffed ham has been served at the White House and Governor s Mansion in Annapolis. During the World s Fair in New York, 1964 1965, more than 28,000 orders of Stuffed Ham were served in the Maryland Pavilion. The following is a letter to Mr. Arthur Buck Briscoe Mr. St. Mary s County from President Dwight D. Eisenhower. The White House Washington October 18, 1958 Dear Mr. Briscoe: This is to thank you and the people of St. Mary s County for the fine country ham and fresh oysters that Mr. Gruenther brought back from the Leonardtown Fair. Mrs. Eisenhower and I are deeply grateful to all who participated in providing such a thoughtful gift for us. With best wishes and warm appreciation, Sincerely, Dwight D. Eisenhower ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [Back to index of April 2009 articles] St. Mary s Stuffed Ham Washington Window Vol. 78, No. 3, April 2009 "If there is anything that sets St. Mary's County apart, gastronomically speaking, from the rest of the world, it is stuffed ham," claims "Cooking With Two Saints," a recipe collection jointly produced by the Southern Maryland parishes of St. George's, Valley Lee and St. Andrew's, Leonardtown. Many St. Mary's residents would agree, although the recipes and methods used for this dish are as individual as the county residents themselves. This unusual dish's history is something of a puzzle, according to Henry Miller, director of research at Historic St. Mary's City, who is quoted extensively in a section of the cookbook titled "Glorious Stuffed Ham." Legend has it that this delicacy was first prepared for the Jesuits by an African slave, perhaps as an Easter dish. There is no hard evidence to support this, Miller says, although the general agreement is that the dish is African-American in origin. While most of the ingredients were typical of English colonial cuisine, red pepper a New World plant widely used in the Caribbean was not. The dish is traditionally prepared by stuffing corned ham ham that has been cured by soaking in brine, sugar and bay leaves with cabbage, kale or watercress and a mixture of spices, which can include mustard and celery seed, onions and cracked black pepper in addition to the red pepper. Ideally, local cooks contend, some green should show with every slice. Cabbage is more commonly used in the southern end of the county, whereas kale is favored in the north. A recipe from local historian Joseph Alfred Dillow, who spent some time investigating the origins of stuffed ham in England, is reprinted here: Stuffed Ham Recipe from Joseph Alfred Dillow 16 to 20-lb corned ham 2 large, firm heads of cabbage 2 lbs kale < lb watercress (optional) 10 large onions 1 bunch Pascal celery 12 spring onions (white and green parts) 15 collard leaves (optional) 3 Tblsp. salt 2 Tblsp. cracked pepper or peppercorns 1 Tblsp. ground black pepper 4 Tblsp. crushed red pepper 1 tblsp ground ground red pepper (cayenne) 2 Tblsp. celery seed 3 Tblsp. mustard seed 3 Tblsp. dry mustard Fill a 30- or 40- quart pot with a rack in the bottom two-thirds full of water. Cover and bring to a boil. Chop cabbage, kale, watercress, onions, celery and collards. Place in a cheesecloth and immerse in the boiling water for 7 minutes. (Reserve the cooking water). While the greens are boiling, mix seasonings in a quart jar and shake well. To prepare the ham for stuffing, start at the butt end of the fat side of the ham. With a long, sharp, boning knife, cut vertically through the top of the ham, 5 or 6 lengthwise slits, 2 inches apart, through to the bone or bone cavity. Make a second row of slits 2 inches up from the first row. Make 5 slits only in the second row, making sure the slits in the second row are not parallel with the slits in the first row, and so on to the hock. Make sure one row of stuffing does not slit into another. This is important, so be very careful when cutting slits. Make about 16-18 slits in the ham. After the ingredients have cooled, spread evenly in a pan and mix well with the seasonings. Place ham in a container suitable for stuffing. Pack stuffing into slits until cavity is completely filled. Place excess stuffing across the top of the ham and cover with cheesecloth. Place ham in the vegetable water and cook for 20 mins. to the pound, subtracting one hour from the total and allowing the ham to sit, off the heat, in the pot liquor for an hour and a half before removing to a colander or wire rack. Allow to drip and cool for two hours before placing in the refrigerator. John S Wilkinson Rome, NY "A veteran is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of up to and including their life." (Author unknown) John S Wilkinson Rome, NY John S Wilkinson Rome, NY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Cummins Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 6:39 PM To: SMC Maryland Subject: [MDSTMARY] Help I receive a newsletter about the area around Prescott, AR. The owner, about every five years, does a cook book and I want to influence that part of the world with stuffed ham, SMC style. So, while I have several stuffed ham receipts stowed away, a recent reorganization of my files makes it a bit difficult to bring them up to forward, without a struggle. So, if any of you guys have stuffed ham data that is easy to get at, I would much appreciate receiving them. Origin, names and any history would also be appreciated and will be sent along to Arkansas. R/ DEC405 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jerry, According to what I have, Ann Taylor, wife of Benjamin Gristy, was born before 1729. This isn't "adding up" for me. 3/5/1758: Admin. accts. of Vincent Taylor, SMC. Next of kin: Ann and Martistes Gristy, Exec: Margaret Taylor. 1/17/1765-10/8/1765: Admin. accts. of Bennet Taylor (of SMC), AA. NOK: Richard Taylor, Ann Gristy. Admin.: Richard Wathen. If Mary Eleanor (Downs) Mitchell/Smith was his daughter, she was from a marriage in St. Mary's County, not KY. He was still here in 1796. 10/1796: It appears to the court that William Wheatley who was admin. de bonis non of the estate of Rodolph Manley paid the balance due on the deceased's estate into the hands of John Wheatley and John Downs and that the sd. securities are likely to waste and make (off?) with the sd. balance. Ordered James Wheatley and John Downs to appear the next court to give counter security. (Orphan Ct. Rec., Fenwick). Also, I have never been able to prove the supposed first marriage of John Downs to Nancy Harper, the school teacher. Who was Hanna "Ann" Greenwell? Parents? Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 9:41 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Basil Smith Linda Reno, Sorry I have not jumped in sooner to this conversation but I'm behind in my E-mails. According to my research the Basil Smith born 1789 is the same one who married Mary Eleanor Downs 24 Jun 1813 St. Mary's, St. Mary's, Maryland, United States. he married 2nd to Hanna 'Ann' Greenwell 23 Sep 1829 Nelson, Kentucky, United States 23 Sep 1829 Nelson, Kentucky, United States Also The John Downs living next door is the same John Downs who married 1st to Nancy HARPER, 2nd to Ann TAYLOR, and third to Mary Eleanor HAGAN Ann TAYLOR the 2nd wife was married 1st to Benjamin GRISTY, 2nd to ? MATTINGLY, and 3rd to John DOWNS I do not know if Mary Eleanor DOWNS who married Basil Smith is a daughter of this John DOWNS from one of his wives, but if she was she is likely the daughter of 1st wife Nancy HARPER my notes: 1850 Dist 2 Nelson Co Ky HH 26 Basil Smith 61 MD Ann 54 PA John 20 Ky Robert 18 Ky William 16 Ky James 14 Ky Stephen 10 Ky 　 1860 New Haven PO Nelson Co Ky HH 128 Basil Smith District 1, Nelson, KY 71 1788 Maryland Male Ann Smith District 1, Nelson, KY 63 1796 Pennsylvania Female Susan Willett District 1, Nelson, KY 17 1842 Kentucky Female Steven Smith District 1, Nelson, KY 20 1839 Kentucky Male Here is what I have on this family so far.. Descendants of Basil Smith 1 [2] Basil Smith 1790 - 1864 b: Abt. 1790 by Maryland d: Abt. 1864 .. +Mary Eleanor Downs - 1825 d: Abt. 1825 m: 24 Jun 1813 by St Mary's Co, MD m: 24 Jun 1813 by St Mary's Co, MD ........ 2 [1] Elizabeth Smith 1814 - b: Abt. 1814 by Maryland ............ +Thomas B Willett 1804 - b: Abt. 1804 by Kentucky m: 05 Mar 1836 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 05 Mar 1836 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ *2nd Husband of [1] Elizabeth Smith: ............ +Francis Peake, Jr 1810 - b: Bet. 1810 - 1811 m: 21 Nov 1849 m: 21 Nov 1849 ........ 2 Catherine Smith ............ +Augustus Brown m: 09 Jan 1839 m: 09 Jan 1839 ........ 2 Roseanna Smith ........ 2 Francis 'Frank' Smith 1822 - b: Abt. 1822 ............ +Lucinda Masterson 1818 - 1860 b: 16 Jun 1818 by Nelson Co, KY d: Aft. 1860 m: 16 Jul 1841 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 16 Jul 1841 by Nelson Co, Ky *2nd Wife of [2] Basil Smith: .. +Hanna 'Ann' Greenwell m: 23 Sep 1829 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 John Smith 1830 - b: Abt. 1830 ........ 2 Robert Smith 1832 - b: Abt. 1832 ........ 2 William Smith 1834 - b: Abt. 1834 ........ 2 James Smith 1836 - b: Abt. 1836 ........ 2 Stephen Smith 1840 - b: Abt. 1840 other notes of interest Matilda Ann Downs d/o John Downs and Nancy Harper. I have Charles Roberts s/o William Roberts and Unknown 　 Descendants of Charles Roberts 1 Charles Roberts .. +Matilda Ann Downs 1796 - 1859 b: Bet. 1796 - 1800 d: Bef. 1859 by Nelson Co, KY m: 26 Aug 1816 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 26 Aug 1816 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 Lucretia Ann Roberts ............ +Charles Thompson Ballard m: 06 Nov 1843 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 06 Nov 1843 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 Angeline Roberts ............ +Madison Cambron m: 16 Jun 1851 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 16 Jun 1851 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 Mary Jane Roberts ............ +Robert Wimsatt m: 06 Aug 1835 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 06 Aug 1835 by Nelson Co, Ky ........ 2 John Roberts ........ 2 James C Roberts ........ 2 William A Roberts 1819 - b: 1819 ............ +Mary M Norris 1819 - b: 1819 m: 06 May 1844 by Nelson Co, Ky m: 06 May 1844 by Nelson Co, Ky Notes: LEANORD JOHNSON: On July 29, 1788 Charles Ewing and wife Sarah deeded to Leonard Johnson 300 acres on Pottinger;s Creek adjoining land of Samuel Pottinger. (note: This land was on the south side of Pottinger's Creek, bordering the Pottinger land to the north, to the west the land of Athanasius Thompon and Peter Brown. Cuthbert Head's 500 acres bordered land of Thompson and Brown to the west of their land.) end of page. Itend to think this also documents who Dortha Gristy Parents are; Benjamin and Ann Taylor Gristy. I think this is the same Ann Taylor, Gristy, Mattingly, Downs person!! My information shows that Ann Taylor married an unknown Mattingly and married John Downs in the later part of of the year 1833. Ann Downs diedin 1838 and is buried in Holy Cross Ch. Cem. My informaiton comes from the following: "Mattingly-Downs" book compiled by rev. J.F. Mattingly1918 #155 pages 29-39 Downs Familes. pg. 29,30, 31 John Downs 1749-1857lived to be 108 yrs. (this is just bit of his marriages, Terri) "John Downs married 1st Miss Nancy Harper and English emigrant, who then was a school teacher in St. Mary's Co. Maryland. They married in Georgetwon, Md. She died in 1833 her husband and children surviving her. She was buried at St. Thomas Cem, Nelson Co. Ky. Children we Benedict, Xavier, Walter and Matilida. After the death of his wife,which occured in the begining of the year 1833, John Downs married AnnTaylor in the later part of the same year-she was then the widow Mattingly. She never had any children with John Downs. She died in 1838and was buried at Holy Cross Ch. cemetery. After her death, John Downs married Ellen Hagan, who was then the widow Norris and she had been the widow Wimsatt previously and had many Wimsatt children who continued to live with her as the wife of John Downs. She never had children with John Downs. She died in the year 1857 and was buried at Holy Cross Ch.Cemetry. John Downs soon followed her, dying at the age of 108 years.He also is buried at Holy Cross cemetery. " I feel this is the same AnnTaylor, also have that John Downs and Nancy Harper married bef. 1785 MD. Courtesy of Terri Ward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Reno" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, February 4, 2011 5:59:43 AM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Basil Smith Dave, I think you're probably right. I did some backtracking. We know the Basil Smith who died in Nelson Co., KY was from St. Mary's County because his pension application from the War of 1812 says he was. We also know from the census records that he was born in 1789 vs. 1784. The information he provided on the 1850 and 1860 censuses is consistent. Whether he's the same guy who married Mary Eleanor (Downs) Mitchell, I don't know. BUT, at the time of the 1850 census, John Downs (from St. Mary's County) was living in the same neighborhood as Basil Smith in Nelson County--they're only a few houses apart. 1850, 2nd Dist., Nelson Co., KY: Basil Smith 61, farmer, b. MD Ann Smith 54, b. PA John Smith 20, b. KY Robert Smith 18, b. KY William Smith 16, b. KY James Smith 14, b. KY Stephen Smith 10, b. KY 1850, Nelson Co., KY: John Downs 88, b. MD Eleanor Downs 68, b. MD 4/17/1855: Basil Smith, age 67, resident of Nelson Co., KY; vol. at St. Mary's Co. Wit.: John H. Talbott, George W. Pollenger (Pottinger?). (War of 1812 Pension application, Nelson Co., KY). 1860, New Haven, Nelson Co., KY: Basil Smith 71, farmer, b. MD Ann Smith 63, b. PA Susan Willett 17, b. KY Steven Smith 20, b. KY Those who have KY records at their disposal may be able to solve this. I don't have anything further here. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Lee Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 12:37 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Basil Smith Linda I think that there were too many Basil Smiths and people merged data based on name alone. The Basil Smith you listed was born 6 Aug 1784 per your reference. In 1810 Census for MD there are 5 Basil Smith head of house.The one in St. Mary's Co. was over 45(bef 1765) as were the ones in Anne Arundle, Calvert & Montgomery Counties. The one in Charles Co was 26-44 so could fit your man. Mary Eleanor Mitchell m. Basil Smith, 27 Jun 1813, St. Mary's Co., MD was he the one over 45? one from Charles Co.? or one that was not head of house in 1810? In 1830 Nelson Co., KY the oldest female in Basil Smith's house was 30-39 (b. aft 1790) so she could fit. What we do know is that in Nelson Co., KY 1850 & 1860 (all name) census Basil Smith b. 1789 MD (date does not fit youe ref.) wife was Ann b. 1796 PA (also fits 1830 census age). Their son James E(dward?) b. 1830 KY. In 1870 & 1880 Nelson Co. census he has son James E(dward?) b 1861 KY. In 1910 Nelson Co. census is a daughter Veronica b. 1902/03 KY. Based on these records I think Vera's ancestor Basil was born in 1789 not 1784 & I don't think Mary Eleanor Mitchell was her ancestor. There was a Basil Smith on 1800 Tax list & census in Washington Co., KY. but he would have been too old. There was a Basil Smith that married Easter Gates 16 Jan 1806 in Washington Co., KY that could fit but does not feel right. Even if Washington Co. & Nelson Co. share a border. I think that Basil Smith b. 1789 MD (what county?) in migrating to KY paused when passing thru PA & married Ann LNU. This was on the normal route to KY. What do you think? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Reno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Basil Smith > Shirley, > > We had no orphanages here. As close as we got was the Alms and Workhouse. > I > find no record of him there, but I did find this: > > 2/1802: James Griggs petitioned the court to have Basil Smith, age 18 on > the 6th day of August next bound to him until the age of 21 to learn the > occupation of pilot--granted (Orphan Ct. Rec., Fenwick). Griggs would have > petitioned the court because Basil was an orphan and under the age of 18, > otherwise he would have been bound with the consent of his father or > another > adult family member. > > As far as him joining the Army--that's a bid misleading. Our men didn't > join > the regular U.S. Army, but during that war two local regiments were > formed--the 12th and the 45th. They were called out on an as-needed basis > as > the British marauded up and down the Patuxent, Potomac, Chesapeake Bay, > etc. > According to Regina Hammett (History of St. Mary's County), Basil Smith > served under Capt. James Jarboe, 12th Regt., War of 1812. > > I show Basil Smith as the son of Thomas Smith and Mary Potter and the Job > Smith below was probably his brother. > > Mortgage from Basil Smith to Job Smith for chattle, 7/30/1814. > > Deed from Job Smith to Basil Smith for "Mattapany Sewall", 6/25/1816. > > Deed from Basil Smith to Job Smith for the property of Thomas Smith, > deceased, "Part of Mattapany", 9/10/1822 (Chr. of SM). > > Deed to Job Smith from Richard Fenwick, Attorney for Basil Smith, for the > property of Thomas Smith, deceased, called "Part of Mattapany", 9/10/1822 > (Chr. of SM). > > I don't have his pension application from 1855, but would like to have it > if > possible. > > Linda Reno > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:36 PM > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Basil Smith > > > The writer is Vera Mae Bowling Teague of Merced, CA b 15 Dec 1928, dau of > Joseph Sylvester Bowling & Mary Veronica Smith of Nelson Co, KY. > > Can anyone help her/us with Basil Smith? > > Shirley Platt & Jerry Bowling > > On Wed, 1/26/11, Vera Teague <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am again trying to get back to family search and wonder if you ever > heard of Beaver Dam in St. Marys Co. Maryland. I think the parents of my > Basil Smith may have lived there and they must of died as my Basil Smith > was > in an orphanage till he was 18 and went into the army. in the war of 1812 > before he married the widow Eleanor Downs, Mitchell. I heard she had > land > > and they sold it to move to Ky-- her and Basil...I have only a little > iinfo. on all of this. I dont guess ancestry would have any of that? > Are > you > still searching? I hope I can stay with it more this year even tho my > eyes > > are so much worse after the surgery last Apr. I hope you stay in > touch.....Vera in Merced > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message