Mary Ann, Sallie, and List: There was no account. This was a quotation in a letter sent to the person I had assisted in proving her descent from Nicholas Harvey so that she could join the Society of the Ark and Dove. After that application was approved, she then sought membership in the First Families of Maryland. I was very appreciative of the note sent to her and shared it "privately" with David Cummins. He then sent it to the list by mistake--meaning to send it only to David Roberts. There's nothing mysterious here. Her line, like yours, begins with Nicholas Harvey, then to Frances Harvey and George Beckwith, then to Mary Beckwith and John Miles, and on from there. Linda Reno -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mary Ann Shoemaker Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] "Generator" / Nicholas Harvey AS Nicholas Harvey is also my ancestor will be most interested in seeing this account. Thanks Mary Ann Shoemaker David Roberts wrote: > Just send me what either you want published in the "Generator" - > essay, query, whatever ...... > I'll see if it is something we can publish. > We just put out the Spring 2011 "Generator." > The Summer issue will be put together around Memorial Day - so I'd need > whatever on Nicholas Harvey by early/mid May. > David Roberts > Editor "Generator" SMCGS > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Cummins" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:13 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Linda Reno > > >> Rattle Linda's cage and ask her if she would like you to mention this in >> the next Generator. >> This is just part of a long msg and the key is: >> >> "I am acquainted etc." >> >> As you know, your line to qualifying ancestor Nicholas Harvey is >> difficult. I am acquainted with Linda Reno as a reputable >> genealogist/historian in St. Mary's Co. MD. I will treat her findings as >> I would the testimony of an expert witness. >> >> >> R/ DEC405 >> >> ------------------------------- >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, everyone,   I was wondering if this is the Nicholas Harvey who brought a  young boy named Robert Ford to the US.   Will be interested in seeing the family information.   Best to all,   Betty --- On Sat, 3/12/11, David Roberts <[email protected]> wrote: From: David Roberts <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] big HEYDON news To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, March 12, 2011, 3:20 AM Great news, Pat ! Perhaps you might want to write up a short essay on this William Heydon - who he was, etc. - and his connection to the St. Mary's County family. I'd like to run it in the "Generator." Hopefully, my article on your books published in the Spring 2011 "Generator" will drum up some sales for you. Norfolk was a major source of my Puritan ancestors to Massachusetts Bay & New Hampshire on my grandfather Roberts's side & some of my Long Island folks on my grandmother Albin's side {Mass. Bay>Connecticut>Long Island}. My wife's eastern Long Island ancestors also come from there. East Anglia - Norfolk, Suffolk, & Essex produced a lot of my & my wife's ancestry. David David Roberts 2nd Vice President & Editor SMCGS -------------------------------------------------- From: "Patricia Obrist" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:44 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] big HEYDON news > Hello, cousins!  This morning my colleague, Mr. Charles Farrow,  in > Norfolk, > England, emailed me his *proof that William Heydon d. 1512 (not. 1515) is > in > fact buried at Westminster Abbey*. > > I have paid my contact to help with Heydon questions before publishing my > third volume: Remembering the HEYDONS. > > He emailed his proof to the archivist at Westminster Abbey and > *carboned*me.  He is so erudite that Miss Reynolds will be forced to > conclude his > research is correct. In that case she will add the information to the > register so when we go to the Abbey Church in London, they will have the > record. > > Now Charles is working on connecting the Visitation of  Norfolk Heydons > with > the Visitation of Hertfordshire Heydons.  If anyone can do this it will be > Charles! > > Patricia Bishop Obrist > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, David! I have the Maryland line back to England but there is still a fuzzy area in the 1300-1450s. Charles is helping with that now. He said he didn't think that Norfolk Heydons were connected to Herts, but I have coats of arms where they have the same design but a different color. Still digging! Pat On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 11:59 PM, David Roberts <[email protected]>wrote: > And FARROW is one of my East Anglia names !!!! It shows up in New > Hampshire > or Maine. > My grandfather Roberts has all those Yankee lines up that way ... ME, NH, > MASS. & most of them have roots in that part of England. > > I'm glad, Pat, that you are getting messages from the "Generator." > > Whenever - no rush - it just would be nice to see something connecting St. > Mary's County lines back into the 1500s in England. > > David > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Patricia Obrist" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:37 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] big HEYDON news > > > Thank you, David! I already have two messages from the Generator!! I'd > > like to wait for Hayden until it gets closer to publishing. There is > > great > > new stuff in all of these books. I had 60 docs which needed translating > > for > > Vol. 1 and 3 from Latin to English. > > > > If you ever want a Norfolk researcher, Charles Farrow is great! > > > > Thanks again for your publicity. > > > > Pat > > > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:20 AM, David Roberts > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > > >> Great news, Pat ! > >> > >> Perhaps you might want to write up a short essay on this William Heydon > - > >> who he was, etc. - and his connection to the St. Mary's County family. > >> I'd like to run it in the "Generator." > >> > >> Hopefully, my article on your books published in the Spring 2011 > >> "Generator" > >> will drum up some sales for you. > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Nicholas Harvey, is not my ancestor, but my ancestor, Henry Spink(s) was indentured to him. I would like to know if you have anything you might share concerning Henry Spink(s) connection to Nicholas Harvey. Thanks, Sallie - TX ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Linda Reno > What is the difficulty? Maybe I can help. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "David Cummins" <[email protected]> > Sender: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:13:15 > To: <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Linda Reno > > > Rattle Linda's cage and ask her if she would like you to mention this in > the next Generator. > This is just part of a long msg and the key is: > > "I am acquainted etc." > > As you know, your line to qualifying ancestor Nicholas Harvey is > difficult. I am acquainted with Linda Reno as a reputable > genealogist/historian in St. Mary's Co. MD. I will treat her findings as > I would the testimony of an expert witness. > > > R/ DEC405 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As you know, Mary Ann - we are always looking for submissions ! And, yours, are high on my list. David -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 8:02 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] "Generator" / Nicholas Harvey > AS Nicholas Harvey is also my ancestor will be most interested in seeing > this account. > Thanks > Mary Ann Shoemaker > > > > David Roberts wrote: >> Just send me what either you want published in the "Generator" - >> essay, query, whatever ...... >> I'll see if it is something we can publish. >> We just put out the Spring 2011 "Generator." >> The Summer issue will be put together around Memorial Day - so I'd need >> whatever on Nicholas Harvey by early/mid May. >> David Roberts >> Editor "Generator" SMCGS >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "David Cummins" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:13 AM >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Linda Reno >> >> >>> Rattle Linda's cage and ask her if she would like you to mention this in >>> the next Generator. >>> This is just part of a long msg and the key is: >>> >>> "I am acquainted etc." >>> >>> As you know, your line to qualifying ancestor Nicholas Harvey is >>> difficult. I am acquainted with Linda Reno as a reputable >>> genealogist/historian in St. Mary's Co. MD. I will treat her findings >>> as >>> I would the testimony of an expert witness. >>> >>> >>> R/ DEC405 >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

AS Nicholas Harvey is also my ancestor will be most interested in seeing this account. Thanks Mary Ann Shoemaker David Roberts wrote: > Just send me what either you want published in the "Generator" - > essay, query, whatever ...... > I'll see if it is something we can publish. > We just put out the Spring 2011 "Generator." > The Summer issue will be put together around Memorial Day - so I'd need > whatever on Nicholas Harvey by early/mid May. > David Roberts > Editor "Generator" SMCGS > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David Cummins" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:13 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: [MDSTMARY] Linda Reno > > >> Rattle Linda's cage and ask her if she would like you to mention this in >> the next Generator. >> This is just part of a long msg and the key is: >> >> "I am acquainted etc." >> >> As you know, your line to qualifying ancestor Nicholas Harvey is >> difficult. I am acquainted with Linda Reno as a reputable >> genealogist/historian in St. Mary's Co. MD. I will treat her findings as >> I would the testimony of an expert witness. >> >> >> R/ DEC405 >> >> ------------------------------- >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Just send me what either you want published in the "Generator" - essay, query, whatever ...... I'll see if it is something we can publish. We just put out the Spring 2011 "Generator." The Summer issue will be put together around Memorial Day - so I'd need whatever on Nicholas Harvey by early/mid May. David Roberts Editor "Generator" SMCGS -------------------------------------------------- From: "David Cummins" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 10:13 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [MDSTMARY] Linda Reno > > Rattle Linda's cage and ask her if she would like you to mention this in > the next Generator. > This is just part of a long msg and the key is: > > "I am acquainted etc." > > As you know, your line to qualifying ancestor Nicholas Harvey is > difficult. I am acquainted with Linda Reno as a reputable > genealogist/historian in St. Mary's Co. MD. I will treat her findings as > I would the testimony of an expert witness. > > > R/ DEC405 > > -------------------------------

And FARROW is one of my East Anglia names !!!! It shows up in New Hampshire or Maine. My grandfather Roberts has all those Yankee lines up that way ... ME, NH, MASS. & most of them have roots in that part of England. I'm glad, Pat, that you are getting messages from the "Generator." Whenever - no rush - it just would be nice to see something connecting St. Mary's County lines back into the 1500s in England. David -------------------------------------------------- From: "Patricia Obrist" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 3:37 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] big HEYDON news > Thank you, David! I already have two messages from the Generator!! I'd > like to wait for Hayden until it gets closer to publishing. There is > great > new stuff in all of these books. I had 60 docs which needed translating > for > Vol. 1 and 3 from Latin to English. > > If you ever want a Norfolk researcher, Charles Farrow is great! > > Thanks again for your publicity. > > Pat > > On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:20 AM, David Roberts > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Great news, Pat ! >> >> Perhaps you might want to write up a short essay on this William Heydon - >> who he was, etc. - and his connection to the St. Mary's County family. >> I'd like to run it in the "Generator." >> >> Hopefully, my article on your books published in the Spring 2011 >> "Generator" >> will drum up some sales for you. >>

What is the difficulty? Maybe I can help. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "David Cummins" <[email protected]> Sender: [email protected] Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:13:15 To: <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] Subject: [MDSTMARY] Linda Reno Rattle Linda's cage and ask her if she would like you to mention this in the next Generator. This is just part of a long msg and the key is: "I am acquainted etc." As you know, your line to qualifying ancestor Nicholas Harvey is difficult. I am acquainted with Linda Reno as a reputable genealogist/historian in St. Mary's Co. MD. I will treat her findings as I would the testimony of an expert witness. R/ DEC405 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, David! I already have two messages from the Generator!! I'd like to wait for Hayden until it gets closer to publishing. There is great new stuff in all of these books. I had 60 docs which needed translating for Vol. 1 and 3 from Latin to English. If you ever want a Norfolk researcher, Charles Farrow is great! Thanks again for your publicity. Pat On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:20 AM, David Roberts <[email protected]>wrote: > Great news, Pat ! > > Perhaps you might want to write up a short essay on this William Heydon - > who he was, etc. - and his connection to the St. Mary's County family. > I'd like to run it in the "Generator." > > Hopefully, my article on your books published in the Spring 2011 > "Generator" > will drum up some sales for you. > > Norfolk was a major source of my Puritan ancestors to Massachusetts Bay & > New Hampshire on my grandfather Roberts's side & some of my Long Island > folks on my grandmother Albin's side {Mass. Bay>Connecticut>Long Island}. > My > wife's eastern Long Island ancestors also come from there. East Anglia - > Norfolk, Suffolk, & Essex produced a lot of my & my wife's ancestry. > > David > > David Roberts > 2nd Vice President & Editor > SMCGS > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Patricia Obrist" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:44 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] big HEYDON news > > > Hello, cousins! This morning my colleague, Mr. Charles Farrow, in > > Norfolk, > > England, emailed me his *proof that William Heydon d. 1512 (not. 1515) is > > in > > fact buried at Westminster Abbey*. > > > > I have paid my contact to help with Heydon questions before publishing my > > third volume: Remembering the HEYDONS. > > > > He emailed his proof to the archivist at Westminster Abbey and > > *carboned*me. He is so erudite that Miss Reynolds will be forced to > > conclude his > > research is correct. In that case she will add the information to the > > register so when we go to the Abbey Church in London, they will have the > > record. > > > > Now Charles is working on connecting the Visitation of Norfolk Heydons > > with > > the Visitation of Hertfordshire Heydons. If anyone can do this it will > be > > Charles! > > > > Patricia Bishop Obrist > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Rattle Linda's cage and ask her if she would like you to mention this in the next Generator. This is just part of a long msg and the key is: "I am acquainted etc." As you know, your line to qualifying ancestor Nicholas Harvey is difficult. I am acquainted with Linda Reno as a reputable genealogist/historian in St. Mary's Co. MD. I will treat her findings as I would the testimony of an expert witness. R/ DEC405

Great news, Pat ! Perhaps you might want to write up a short essay on this William Heydon - who he was, etc. - and his connection to the St. Mary's County family. I'd like to run it in the "Generator." Hopefully, my article on your books published in the Spring 2011 "Generator" will drum up some sales for you. Norfolk was a major source of my Puritan ancestors to Massachusetts Bay & New Hampshire on my grandfather Roberts's side & some of my Long Island folks on my grandmother Albin's side {Mass. Bay>Connecticut>Long Island}. My wife's eastern Long Island ancestors also come from there. East Anglia - Norfolk, Suffolk, & Essex produced a lot of my & my wife's ancestry. David David Roberts 2nd Vice President & Editor SMCGS -------------------------------------------------- From: "Patricia Obrist" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2011 1:44 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] big HEYDON news > Hello, cousins! This morning my colleague, Mr. Charles Farrow, in > Norfolk, > England, emailed me his *proof that William Heydon d. 1512 (not. 1515) is > in > fact buried at Westminster Abbey*. > > I have paid my contact to help with Heydon questions before publishing my > third volume: Remembering the HEYDONS. > > He emailed his proof to the archivist at Westminster Abbey and > *carboned*me. He is so erudite that Miss Reynolds will be forced to > conclude his > research is correct. In that case she will add the information to the > register so when we go to the Abbey Church in London, they will have the > record. > > Now Charles is working on connecting the Visitation of Norfolk Heydons > with > the Visitation of Hertfordshire Heydons. If anyone can do this it will be > Charles! > > Patricia Bishop Obrist > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, cousins! This morning my colleague, Mr. Charles Farrow, in Norfolk, England, emailed me his *proof that William Heydon d. 1512 (not. 1515) is in fact buried at Westminster Abbey*. I have paid my contact to help with Heydon questions before publishing my third volume: Remembering the HEYDONS. He emailed his proof to the archivist at Westminster Abbey and *carboned*me. He is so erudite that Miss Reynolds will be forced to conclude his research is correct. In that case she will add the information to the register so when we go to the Abbey Church in London, they will have the record. Now Charles is working on connecting the Visitation of Norfolk Heydons with the Visitation of Hertfordshire Heydons. If anyone can do this it will be Charles! Patricia Bishop Obrist

I’m looking for the parents and wife of John Reed born ca 1740 probably in MD. There is a William and Samuel Reed that appear to be connected to him somehow. John went to Jefferson Co., Ky. He was on the 1790 tax list of KY. John’s daughter, Mary married Henry Batman in 1797. Henry’s father was most likely John Batman. John Batman also appears on the 1790 tax list for KY. There seems to be a Thomas Batman connected to John and Henry. The name Batman may have been the same as Bateman in MD. Does anyone know anything about these families? Thanks, Kathleen Rogalla

Hello All, I got an email today from a gentleman researching his family in South Carolina. To make a long story short, he doesn't thing that the widow of Peter Howard (1730-1783) was the same Maryville Griffin who went to South Carolina. It appears there were two Ignatius Griffins, unless I'm reading this wrong. I had this from Linda Reno from the archives. I have in my file that Eleanor (Bowles) Howard died prior to 1776 based on the baptism of 2 children born to Peter Howard and a second wife, Elizabeth. There was at least one more Peter Howard around at that time and perhaps I placed the 2 children with the wrong man. The other Peter Howard was the son of Thomas Howard and Anastasia. He was married to a woman named Maryville ____ by the time of his death in 1783. Maryville ____married second, Ignatius Griffin and they then moved to South Carolina where Ignatius Griffin died ca1810. 4/30/1785: Maryland State Papers, Series A, Box 52, folder 112/1 contains a paper for Peter Howard, signed by Mary Griffin and Ignatius Griffin. She pleas to settle and pay to Jeremiah Tarlton all the monthly pay and collection of land that's due to her for her husband Peter Howard's servitude in the Army and you will mark off your debt. Wit: Martin Henry. (Courtesy, David Darnall Griffin 1/1/2001). David Griffin, 1/2/2000 who states that Ignatius Griffin died prior to 3/10/1810 when Mayville Griffin was appointed as his administrator. In 1811, Maryville Griffin paid from the estate. Their children: Henry, b. 1781; Bowen, b. 1782; Mavel, b. 178?, and Jesse, b. 1788. Ignatius Griffin witnessed a deed in Spartansburg District, SC on 12/18/1789. There was also another Peter Howard who married Sarah, widow of Walter Davis, between 1756-1757 and I don't know what happened to him. Then I was directed to these posts on Rootsweb: Then I was directed to these posts on Rootsweb: From: "holt" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] Griffin/Sanders Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:05:46 -0500 References: <[email protected]> 　 Kathy, I have this in one of my files, they Sanders/Saunders family was very related to my Gibson & Allen Families in Spartanburg. John and some of the other Sanders shows up in several documents with them.See below for mention of Ignatius & Mavel Griffin and also note the George Gibson below is my ggggrandfather and his brother Henry Gibson was married to Nancy Allen, Young Allen below is from that family. Thanks Robin Holt pg. 8 Nov. 6, 1810 > Mavel Griffin gave bond with Young Allen security for her future > adm. in the estate of Ignatius Griffin decd, in place of George > Gibson From: "holt" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] More Ignatius Griffin Family Information Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:22:57 -0500 References: <[email protected]> Here is more of the Griffin family in Spartanburg. I notice a Mavel Hill is listed and Ignatius widow was named Mavel. With that unusual of a name this might perhaps be his remarried widow(or married daughter named after her mom) and son Ignatius named after him, good chance it is. Robin 　 Series Number: S108093 Reel: 0024 Frame: 00712 item: 00 Date: 1851/12/01 Description: GRIFFIN, JESSE, WILL TYPESCRIPT, SPARTANBURG COUNTY (2 FRAMES) (MSS WILL: BOOK D, PAGE 318). Names Indexed: GRIFFIN, JESSE// GRIFFIN, OBADIAH/GRIFFIN, ELIZABETH/HILL, MAVEL/LITTLEJOHN, JOHN/LITTLEJOHN, ROBERTSON///GRIFFIN, IGNATIOUS/GRIFFIN, HENRY/GRIFFIN, NOLIN/HILL, NIPPY/LITTLEJOHN, THOMAS H./LITTLJOHN, SALATHIAL/ Locations: SPARTANBURG COUNTY // Type: WILL (TYPESCRIPT)// 　 DOES THIS MEAN THAT HE WAS KILLED IN 1810? IF SO, IT IS NOT THE JOHN SANDERS THAT I HAVE FOR SON IN LAW OF IGNATIOUS GRIFFIN. HE HAD TWO SONS AFTER 1810 AND HE FOUGHT IN THE WAR OF 1812. From: "holt" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [SCSPARTA] Griffin/Sanders Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2006 14:16:31 -0500 References: <[email protected]> Kathy, Heres another mention below of Ignatius ... Thanks Robin SOUTH CAROLINA ARCHIVES Series Number: S108092 Reel: 0061 Frame: 00027 ignore: 00 Date: 1776 C. OR LATER Description: GRIFFIN, IGNATIUS, ACCOUNT AUDITED (FILE NO. 3111) OF CLAIMS GROWING OUT OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. Names Indexed: GRIFFIN, IGNATIUS// From: "Lee and Billie Jones" <[email protected]> Subject: [SCEDGEFI] Document with Waites, Allen, Saunders, Griffin, Harrison,Lipscomb, Jones, etc Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 16:04:29 -0400 Billie Jones ------------------------------------------- THE SOUTH CAROLINA MAGAZINE OF ANCESTRAL RESEARCH Volume XXX Fall 2002 Number 4 The South Carolina Magazine of Ancestral Research (ISSN 0190-826X) Brent H. Holcomb, Editor and Publisher Laurence K. Wells, Founder and Contributing Editor Published quarterly at Columbia, South Carolina © 2002 by Brent II. Holcomb Copy located at Camden Archives ------------------------------------------------------- LEGAL BRIEFS OF JUDGE THOMAS WATIES 1793-1828 Item number 288. Spartanb. Apr. 1810. The State vs John Saunders. Murder of Ignatius Griffin. (pgs 206-208) Young Allen. At a muster ground the prisoner & the son of dec'd had a quarrel. The deceased got very angry, pushed upon prisoner, who seemed to wish not to have anything to do with him. As prisoner went off, deceased followed him. Heard soon after a voice like Saunders's say "don't come or do so again," and then heard a blow struck. It was late in the evening. Went to this place. Saw S. of G. striking him with a stick. It appeared to be half of a fence rail, as thick as his arm. Others came up. Took off Saunders. Then took up Griffin. He fetched only a few breaths & died. Did not speak. X'd. The deceased & prisoner went to the ground that day from his house & appeared friendly. G. run his hors upon S. several times. Told S. he c'd whip him. S. said he did not wish to fight him. G. a quarrelsome man. a strong man. Very able to whip Saunders. He wanted to fight several of his neighbours that day. Saunders's knew very much cute, almost to the bone. Thinks it was done with a stick. The prisoner is reckoned a peaceable man by the neighbours. The deceased had several wounds on his head. Both parties had been drinking that day. Witness is the uncle of S. and G. married his sister. S. is the son in law of G. married G's daughter. Willis Allen. G & S had had frequent quarrels before. Never heard S. threaten to do G. any mischief. There had been a fight that day between S. & young Griffin. The were parted. Old. G. got very angry came up & told S. he had better whip him. S. said "no, I have no harm against you." This repeated by both several times. S. then on his horse, about to start. Very abusive language. G. run up his horse against s. several times. S. endeavoured to get out of his way. X'd. The deceased & prisoner came briefly together that day. The last quarrel they had was twelve months before. G. was as much of a man as any other of his weight. This his general character. Very violent when his anger was raised. G. was able to whip S. at any time. The wound on S's knee a very bad one. Very deep & ugly. The prisoner is the half brother & G. was the uncle of witness. James Harrison. Went to the place upon hearing the blows. Assisted in taking up G. He died in a few minutes. G. was about 50 years old. Henry Griffin. Has heard prisoner once threaten to kill his father if he did so & so. This twelve months before. They were friendly after that. His father was 60 odd years old. X'd. Just before the affair the parties were more friendly than they had been. Tracey. Was at the muster ground that evening. Heard the blow struck. Did not hear any previous words. Before they started G. seemed to want very much to fight S. but S. very unwilling to do so. For prisoner. John Lipscomb. Has been acquainted with prisoner for a length of time. Believes him a peaceable man. Knew the deceased. Thinks he could have whipped Saunders. T. Lipscomb. Saw prisoner after the affair. His neck & one side app'd to have ben in the dirt. Saw his knew. Thinks the wound was caused by a fall. S. a peaceable man. J. Hunter Jones. A. a quiet peaceable man. The deceased a violent man when angry. Buttrum. Was at prisoner's house when G. attacked it. The door shut to keep him out. G. very insulting, run his fist in S's face, pushed his head against the wall. S. got out of his way. Very humble. Went out of his house. G. still pushing on him. At last S. called for an axe & swore if G. persisted, he w'd kill him. G. called for the axe too. At last S. come in, & the door was shut & keep out G. G. tried to burst it open. Got a pole &U tried to jab S. ("this the time referred to bey John G.). Patterson. Was at S's house at the time. His evidence to the same effect. Wilson. Saw S. after the scuffle with young G. Does not believe that he got his knew hurt then. No appearance of it. Duncan. his evid. to the same effect. Brooks. Evid. to the same effect. Guilty of manslaughter & recommended to a pardon. ------------------------------------------------- My comments on the info. above which was scanned from SCMAR. Vol XXX Fall 2002 #4 p. 206-208.doc Comments: the information was on bottom 1/3 of 206, all 207 and top 1/3 of 208. So I deleted the portions of other cases that were on the page and included only the Item #288 "The State vs. John Saunders. Murder of Ignatious Griffin" I read and checked the spelling of some very unusal wording, and this is just as it is in the book. You will see "cute" in the paper, and I think that is "cut"; "hors" and I think that is "horse" I recognize some of the names listed as witnesses and wonder if they are the same as the ones later in Edgefield Dist. I have 2 Young Allen, but very little about them. No Willis Allen 8 James Harrisons but only 2 will work based on date of the case. 2 Unknown Griffins, one md. to Milly Golding [Probate Record, Calhoun Journal- will of William Golding /r/9-23-1782 in the office of Ordinary for 96 District. No. 15.] 1 John Lipscomb b. ca 1790 md Sarah Grigsby Mays 3 Thomas Lipscombs Reply by Kathy Wilcox <[email protected]> wrote: I think this Ignatius Griffin is my ancestor--just don't know which son, Henry or Jesse? This proves that Young Allen's sister, was Ignatius' wife. ( name was Mavel or Maryville). This case also shows that Henry Griffin was Ignatius' son, too, just as I thought! Many researchers think Ignatius was from St. Mary's Co, MD because there was one Ignatius Griffin there that served in the Revolution (pay record in 1782) and he married Mary Howard, widow of a Peter Howard. I have never believed this to be true, but couldn't prove it. But just in the last month, I found "Nase" Griffin on Spartanburg 1790 census and found hiim listed in the SC Patriot book as having served in 1782 in SC. Plus, Ignatius's 3 sons list SC as place of birth--from 1778-1794. The other Ignatious Griffin appears on the 1790 MD census, so they are 2 different people--especially if the SC Griffin married Young Allen's sister! John Sanders/Saunders was reported to have married Ignatius Griffin's daughter, Nancy or Mavel, but no one could offer any proof. Guess I have it now. I found the reference to the article using P.E.R.S.I. (periodical index) on Heritage Quest online. We get free access from our public library that subscribes through the Texas State Library. I also recognized Young Allen's name in Edgefield, but I never researched it. I just knew he was close or witnessed deeds in Spartanburg with these Griffins. Present day Cherokee County (I think close to Gaffney) is where they lived on Goucher Creek. Mavel is in the Goucher Creek Baptist Church records. So it appears that the conclusion is that there were 2 Ignatius Griffins, and that Maryville Howard Griffin is not the same as the Mavel Griffin in South Carolina. Gayle Howard Londeree [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: alrnichols Surnames: Lynch Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.stmarys/1174.1178/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am a descendant of a long line of Lynch's from Valley Lee. My grandfather's name is John Stephen, and he is a junior. His father was born in 1903. I know there were several generations of men named John, Stephen, and Thomas in the family. I would love any information you have on the Lynches! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

There is an LDS microfilm # 13759 "Records of the congregations of Upper & Lower Zachia, Mattawoman & St. Mary's (Bryantown) 1793-1861 that can be ordered at a local Family History Center. It is a microfilm of a handwritten transcript at the Maryland historical Society. It was filmed in 1922. There is a copy of this film at the White Plains, MD Family History Center & also at the Washington, DC Family History Center in Kensington, MD. Joyce -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Roberts Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 8:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MDSTMARY] Mattawoman Catholic Church I did some research to produce a booklet about historic churches in Southern Maryland for the 2010 "Maryland-to-Kentucky" Reunion held last July in Leonardtown. The most likely church - if in Charles County - would be the present St. Peter's R. C. Church near Waldorf. This church has had a number of names over its history. It began as St. Ignatius of Upper Zekiah ca. 1700 & was located a mile or two east of the current church at what is now Old St. Peter's Cemetery. This location is on Poplar Hill Road. Frequently it was called "Upper Zekiah Church" or "Zechia Church." Zekiah - spelled lots of ways - refers to Zekiah Swamp, which runs thru' the middle of Charles County. Jesuit priests from St. Thomas Manor, Chapel Point, served the parish in the early days. It was removed from the Jesuits in 1792 by Bishop John Carroll, but returned to the Jesuits in 1808. For many years, Upper Zekiah was joined to Lower Zekiah, now St. Mary's, Bryantown. During the 1830s, it was joined to the Catholic church at Piscataway, Prince George's County. Finally, in 1851, it became an independent parish - served by diocesan priests. That might be a clue to where you'd find the records for 1854. Either w/ the parish itself or with either the Archdiocese of Baltimore - to which this area belonged at the time - or the Archdiocese of Washington - current diocese. A man named Thomas Reeves had died in 1825 & left some land to the church. Fr. Lanahan, the priest at St. Ignatius of Upper Zekiah, decided to use Reeves's land to built a new church - to replace the 100+ year old church still in use at the time. The new church, at the present site, was dedicated in 1860, as "St. Peter the Apostle." It was more commonly called "Reeves Chapel" for a time, but that was not its official name. It was at this church that John Wilkes Booth met Dr. Samuel Mudd in the summer/fall of 1864. The 1860 church was replaced in 1972 with the present church. Until 1941, the parish cemetery was at the old church site - now called "Old St. Peter's Cemetery." A new cemetery opened at the present church site in 1941. I can't see any other Roman Catholic church that might be called "Mattawoman" yet located in Charles County. The now-closed St. Charles Borromeo in Glymont in western Charles County was near the Mattawoman Creek, but the area called Mattawoman is closer to present-day Waldorf. St. Mary's, Bryantown, is a bit too far south to be called Mattawoman & St. Mary's, Piscataway is in P. G. County. According to our booklet: St. Peter's Roman Catholic Church 3320 St. Peter's Church Road Waldorf, MD 20601 301-843-8916 http://www.stpeterswaldorf.org/ I would start with them, first - to see if they have any records. David David Roberts 2nd Vice President & "Generator" Editor St. Mary's County Genealogical Society -------------------------------------------------- From: "Patty" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:21 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Aloysius Benedict Wathen & Mary Olive Jenkins > Mike, > > I don't know that I can help you with your question, but I would > like to know more about Mary Olive Jenkins. I have been doing some > research for a family member on the Jenkins family who were around the > time of your gg-grandparents marriage living in Charles County probably > what likely was near the Roman Catholic, Mattawoman, Charles County. > Have you heard of Llewelyn Jenkins married 1st to Lucinda and second to > Mary M Freeman. Llewellyn Jenkins believed to be the son of William E > Jenkins and Eleanor Wilcox. Any of these names ring a bell? > > Now, for the little bit I know about the churches of Charles > County. When it says Mattawoman, that could conceivable cover a large > area. What we have now is called the Mattawoman and covers a good part > of the county. So, do you have any idea where they lived, possibilities > could be Waldorf, Middleton, Bryantown to name a few. There is a church > at Bryantown, Charles County, MD that was Roman Catholic and would have > been around during that time. Unforturnately, if that is the one, the > church had a fire in the 1960's I believe and all the records were > destroyed. That church is now called St Mary's Catholic Church, > Bryantown. > > Then there is another church a little closer to Waldorf called St. > Peter's Catholic church that has been around since the 1700's. It is > still an active church. I do not know anything about their records. Of > course, they could have been married in a church that no longer exists. > > Don't know if any of this helps but it might give you some leads. > > Patty > > > On 2/27/2011 9:30 AM, mike marshall wrote: >> >> My name is Mary and I am trying to find a marriage record for my >> gg-grandparents. >> >> I have been trying to find a record for the following. >> >> Ben Walhen (Actual name Aloysius Benedict Wathen) >> Married >> Mary Olive Jenkins >> on January 17,1854 >> Roman Catholic, Mattawoman,Charles Co. Maryland. >> Do you know where I can find these records either on the internet or an >> address >> I can write to >> >> to request a copy of their marriage license? >> >> I would really appreciate any help you can give. >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=81594&CScn=St.+Pet&CScntry=4&CSst=22&CScnty=1194& This will get you to Old St. Peter's Cemetery, the site of the ca. 1700 St. Ignatius of Upper Zekiah. The 1854 marriage most probably took place in the church that stood here until it was replaced in 1860 by the former church building that stood at the site of the present St. Peter's until the early 1970s.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2215933&CScn=St.+Pet&CScntry=4&CSst=22&CScnty=1194& This will get you to St. Peter's on Find-A-Grave. Whoever entered the info on the cemetery states that records for St. Ignatius of Upper Zekiah & St. Peter's are available at "the archives in Annapolis" - which would be the Maryland State Archives & not any Catholic Church archives - I would think. Now, that's a real clue as to where you should look. David

I did some research to produce a booklet about historic churches in Southern Maryland for the 2010 "Maryland-to-Kentucky" Reunion held last July in Leonardtown. The most likely church - if in Charles County - would be the present St. Peter's R. C. Church near Waldorf. This church has had a number of names over its history. It began as St. Ignatius of Upper Zekiah ca. 1700 & was located a mile or two east of the current church at what is now Old St. Peter's Cemetery. This location is on Poplar Hill Road. Frequently it was called "Upper Zekiah Church" or "Zechia Church." Zekiah - spelled lots of ways - refers to Zekiah Swamp, which runs thru' the middle of Charles County. Jesuit priests from St. Thomas Manor, Chapel Point, served the parish in the early days. It was removed from the Jesuits in 1792 by Bishop John Carroll, but returned to the Jesuits in 1808. For many years, Upper Zekiah was joined to Lower Zekiah, now St. Mary's, Bryantown. During the 1830s, it was joined to the Catholic church at Piscataway, Prince George's County. Finally, in 1851, it became an independent parish - served by diocesan priests. That might be a clue to where you'd find the records for 1854. Either w/ the parish itself or with either the Archdiocese of Baltimore - to which this area belonged at the time - or the Archdiocese of Washington - current diocese. A man named Thomas Reeves had died in 1825 & left some land to the church. Fr. Lanahan, the priest at St. Ignatius of Upper Zekiah, decided to use Reeves's land to built a new church - to replace the 100+ year old church still in use at the time. The new church, at the present site, was dedicated in 1860, as "St. Peter the Apostle." It was more commonly called "Reeves Chapel" for a time, but that was not its official name. It was at this church that John Wilkes Booth met Dr. Samuel Mudd in the summer/fall of 1864. The 1860 church was replaced in 1972 with the present church. Until 1941, the parish cemetery was at the old church site - now called "Old St. Peter's Cemetery." A new cemetery opened at the present church site in 1941. I can't see any other Roman Catholic church that might be called "Mattawoman" yet located in Charles County. The now-closed St. Charles Borromeo in Glymont in western Charles County was near the Mattawoman Creek, but the area called Mattawoman is closer to present-day Waldorf. St. Mary's, Bryantown, is a bit too far south to be called Mattawoman & St. Mary's, Piscataway is in P. G. County. According to our booklet: St. Peter's Roman Catholic Church 3320 St. Peter's Church Road Waldorf, MD 20601 301-843-8916 http://www.stpeterswaldorf.org/ I would start with them, first - to see if they have any records. David David Roberts 2nd Vice President & "Generator" Editor St. Mary's County Genealogical Society -------------------------------------------------- From: "Patty" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 10:21 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MDSTMARY] Aloysius Benedict Wathen & Mary Olive Jenkins > Mike, > > I don't know that I can help you with your question, but I would > like to know more about Mary Olive Jenkins. I have been doing some > research for a family member on the Jenkins family who were around the > time of your gg-grandparents marriage living in Charles County probably > what likely was near the Roman Catholic, Mattawoman, Charles County. > Have you heard of Llewelyn Jenkins married 1st to Lucinda and second to > Mary M Freeman. Llewellyn Jenkins believed to be the son of William E > Jenkins and Eleanor Wilcox. Any of these names ring a bell? > > Now, for the little bit I know about the churches of Charles > County. When it says Mattawoman, that could conceivable cover a large > area. What we have now is called the Mattawoman and covers a good part > of the county. So, do you have any idea where they lived, possibilities > could be Waldorf, Middleton, Bryantown to name a few. There is a church > at Bryantown, Charles County, MD that was Roman Catholic and would have > been around during that time. Unforturnately, if that is the one, the > church had a fire in the 1960's I believe and all the records were > destroyed. That church is now called St Mary's Catholic Church, > Bryantown. > > Then there is another church a little closer to Waldorf called St. > Peter's Catholic church that has been around since the 1700's. It is > still an active church. I do not know anything about their records. Of > course, they could have been married in a church that no longer exists. > > Don't know if any of this helps but it might give you some leads. > > Patty > > > On 2/27/2011 9:30 AM, mike marshall wrote: >> >> My name is Mary and I am trying to find a marriage record for my >> gg-grandparents. >> >> I have been trying to find a record for the following. >> >> Ben Walhen (Actual name Aloysius Benedict Wathen) >> Married >> Mary Olive Jenkins >> on January 17,1854 >> Roman Catholic, Mattawoman,Charles Co. Maryland. >> Do you know where I can find these records either on the internet or an >> address >> I can write to >> >> to request a copy of their marriage license? >> >> I would really appreciate any help you can give. >>