This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mbradle5 Surnames: Hamersly/Hammersley/Hammersleigh Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you again. I had tried to locate a copy of Bettie Carother's book. I don't think I will find any specific card file for this record. In fact, I am becoming all but convinced this was an erroneous citing altogether. My frustration increases daily with leads that go nowhere. Thanks for your well wishes and I wish you the same. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: frostfreedet Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I can clarify one minor corner. Your item found in the listing compiled by Accelerated Indexing Systems was ~not~ from what I proposed above (Bettie Carothers, comp., /Maryland Oaths of Fidelity/. I located my copy of this book, and there is no Hamersly-type name in the Somerset Co. listing (nor in the Frederick Co., MD listing). I should have looked before proposing this book as source. I reviewed the introduction to it, and it says it is the list of names from a card file in the MD State Archives. It does not even give the title of the card file, grrrrrr. It is possible that the original card file gave sources for each item (whereas the book gives no specific source at all other than the "card file"). So if you go to the MD Archives, you don't have to be bothered to try to hunt up Ms. Carothers' source. I do wish you good hunting. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mbradle5 Surnames: Hamersly/Hammersley/Hammersleigh Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for your comment. I am agreed - I cannot trace the source documentation from my location and Ancestry has not provided assistance on this matter other than suggesting I open the query. I have received very few hits in my effort to locate my 4th great grandfather, Charles Hammersleigh who married my 4th great grandmother Barbara Shreup in Frederick County, Maryland in 1799. We have been trying to find him for over 30 years and this "Oath" was the closest to a record that I have found. Again, thank you for your reply and suggestion. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: frostfreedet Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looks to me like the source of this was a book called something like "Maryland Oaths of Allegiance". This was a pretty useless compendium, just lists of names for each County, with no specific sources given. The introduction states that the sources were juror lists, etc., where the author ~assumed~ that the person named would have to have taken the oath of allegiance at some time. That is, these are not lists of people taking the oath of allegiance on a specific date and place and signing their names with witnesses. Lists of jurors, for instance, are at best indirect evidence that the persons took the oath of allegiance before serving on the jury. Elizabeth's suggestion, to investigate court records in person, might be your best avenue for determining what the source of the reference is, since Ancestry.com declines to give a full list of what the subcontractor copied the names from. This sort of junk database can drive ya nuts. Just don't have high expectation of discovering the source-record without a lot of work, and do not expect to find a specific Oath of Allegiance record. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ElizabethSmith10 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/827.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: If it is still extant, it would be at the Maryland State Archives. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wgalkow Surnames: DAVISON DAVIDSON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/312.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: so what can you tell me about Somerset Co., MD and Lancaster Co., PA....????????? Help please...Sandy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: wgalkow Surnames: DAVISON DAVIDSON Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/827.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Trying to learn where or how to get a marriage record that was between 1695-1710 ...between his parents: Alexander DAVISON and Isabel Help? Sandymento@comcast.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mbradle5 Surnames: Hamersly/Hammersla/Hammersleigh/Hammersley/Hamersley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Dennis...here is the link. http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?rank=1&new=1&MSAV=1&msT=1&gss=angs-g&gsfn=Charles&gsln=Hamersly&rg_81004010__date=1760&cpxt=1&catBucket=rstp&uidh=7yd&cp=12&pcat=ROOT_CATEGORY&h=11626359&recoff=1 2&db=mdcen&indiv=1 I don't know if you can get to it - let me know. And thank you Elizabeth - I will take a look there too! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ElizabethSmith10 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Try the county court records, which are held in utter secrecy by the MSA. Or, check www.colonialroots.com to see if any of Ed's books contain anything helpful. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dennis_halusker Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Send me the link where you found the record describing Ancestry's holdings.....My account only allows messages to be posted and read......I have some free time and now you have my interest.....I have been working genealogy for nearly 10 years now and will give you a hand....this is a new one for me. Did he swear to the State of Maryland? No....The Militia? HMMMM Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mbradle5 Surnames: Hamersly/Hammersla/Hammersleigh/Hammersley/Hammersly Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The Oath of Allegience was sworn to and in the state itself. In the case of Charles Hamersly, he was in Somerset County, MD. From what I have read, these 1778 Oaths had to be sworn before a certain date in 1778. Ancestry has the record listed but no visual of the record. Therefore, no other information appears such as where he was from, etc. I am trying to find out where I can go to get a photocopy of the actual record. Patriots during the Revolution were required to swear an Oath. But, also the British were also requiring Oaths. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dennis_halusker Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem.5af9bb95919f35e66f614176543f6d1a/?vgnextoid=facd6db8d7e37210VgnVCM100000082ca60aRCRD&vgnextchannel=dd7ffe9dd4aa3210VgnVCM100000b92ca60aRCRD Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dennis_halusker Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have been thinking alot about this subject......1778 seems to be kind of early to be swearing allegience. This Country did not even have a Constitution until 1787... Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mbradle5 Surnames: Hamersly/Hammersla/Hammersleigh/Hamersly/Hamersley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Dennis- the Charles Hamersly I am looking for is not in these records. My Charles would have taken the Oath of Allegience in Somerset Co. Maryland in 1778. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dennis_halusker Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/849.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You can also try here at these links.I checked Footnote dot com and he is not there. Both versions of Charles Hamersly/Hammersla are listed and there are many to choose from. Hope this helps. http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=home Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: StephenDennehy29 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/848.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Walter and family were transported by Jefferey Menshall, NOT Mendenhall. It was a Wm. BERRYMAN who died in Northampton Co., Vir. 1645. The Wm. Berry mentioned in Northampton records 1641-1645 died prob. Feb. 1650 (1651). Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: StephenDennehy29 Surnames: Powell Berry Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/848/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone know where this 1626 birthyear given for Walter Powell comes from ? I've never seen anything that indicated his birthyear or age ? Has anyone ever come across any record in Accomack or Northampton Co., Vir. which mentions Walter Powell ? The earliest record we know to concern our Walter is the birth record of his 2nd. child Mary to he and his first wife Elizabeth in Somerset Co. 30 Jan. 1669 (1670 Gregorian calendar). The first record of a land purchase is in Somerset Jul. 1670. Jeffery Mendenhall applied for land for transporting Walter Powell, wife (unamed in original record; later mistakenly listed as Margaret, his 2nd. wife) and dau. Elizabeth to Somerset Co. from Vir.9 Jul. 1671. Walter must have mar. Elizabeth _____ 1666 or 1667 and had children: 1) Elizabeth b. c. 1667 (which would make her 16 when she mar. Hugh Tingle 21 Dec. 1683) 2. Mary b. 30 Jan. 1669 (1670); mar. Walter Evans Walter, Elizabeth and dau. Elizabeth migrate to Somerset Co. from Vir. in 1668 or 1669. The wife Elizabeth must have died in childbirth or as a result of "childbed fever" as a result of childbirth in early 1670. Walter remar. Margaret Berry prob. in 1670 and had children: 3) Sarah 1671; d. by 1679 4) Wm. 12 June 1673 5) John b. 27 Sept. 1674 6)Margaret b. 22 Feb. 1675 (1676); mar. Henry Schoolfield by 1695 7) Katherine b. 26 May 1678; mar. Wm. White 8. Sarah prob. b. Nov. 1679, liv. 1696, no further info. Walter's wife Margaret Berry d. 26 Nov. 1679, probably as a result of childbirth. The reason I list 2 Sarah's is that Walter, in his will names his sons in order (Wm., John) and then his daus. in order (Eliza, Mary, Margaret, Katherine and Sarah). If this were the Sarah b. 1671 she would have been named third among the daus., not 5th.). I seriously doubt the Walter Powell trans. to Lancaster Co., Vir. in 1643 by Capt. Samuel Mathews is ours. Even if he were 15 in 1643 (b. 1628) he doesn't marry until 1666, at the earliest, when he''s 38. Men rarely married that late, though it's not unheard of. The Walter Powell to Lancaster 1643 is stated to have gone to adjoining Northumberland Co., Vir. in 1647 (what is the source ?). then no record of him until Jan. 1670--no mention of him at all in 23 years ?! This seems highly unlikely. What might shed some light is this transportation record I found on the Md. Archives Website under "Settlers of Maryland" by Carson Gibb: Land Office AB & H, p. 276 Wm. Eltonhead recieves 400 acres of land from Walter Powell for transporting him (24 Jan. 1652 (1653)). Res. Wm. Eltonhead I found he was b. Eng. 1615, immigrated to Lancaster Co., Vir., then went to Calvert Co., Md. by 1649, also had land holdings in St. Mary's Co. He was a Roman Catholic, hung by the Puritans in May 1655. If this Walter Powell were ours, he would have to have been transported to Vir. (of which there is no record), then to Somerset Co. Md. 1668-1669. Possibly land records in Calvert Co. would show something but unfortunately the MdLandRecs. site currently only has land records for Calvert Co. from 1812. i think the most likely birth period for our Walter is 1640-1645. I think he was born in Northampton Co., Vir. s/o John, son of Thomas and Elizabeth (in Northampton by 1624, Thomas still living 1662). Son John is mentioned in a few records through 1654 , then nothing so I assume he died shortly after that. There is no indication of siblings for Walter so he may have been the only surviving child. John seems likely for Walter's father's name because he names his first son Wm. (for his father-in-law William Berry); it seems likely he would have named his 2nd. son John for his father. Walter became a Quaker after 1674; his son John was bap. 25 Oct. 1674 -probably in the Anglican Church. His dau. Elizabeth was mar. in 1683 by Wm. Traile, a Pres. minister. _______________________ The only records we can find anywhere on Walter's father-in-law Wm. Berry are the 1680 tax list which shows him on land called "Hopewell" in Manokin, Somerset Co. 1680 and his appt. as trustee for a bequest by George Johnson, a Quaker, to "the Quaker poor" 23 Nov. 1680-Somerset Co., md. A James Berry is listed on hopewell from 1683, given it as a land grant in 1685 and sold it , with his wife Jane, to John Henry 18 Jan. 1715 (1716). James must have been Wm.'s son. the WQm. berry listed in Northampton Co., Vir. records 1641-1645 is another Wm. Berry who apparently d. 1645 though his estate was not probated until an admin. bond was posted 28 Feb. 1650 (1651). Our Wm. Berry is NOT the son of James and Elizabeth, in Northampton Co. by 1636. their son Wm. was prob. born that year saince James and Elizabeth were transported with no mention of any children. this family moved to Puxuxtent Co. (Later named Calvert Co) c. 1649, then to Talbot Co. where James d., 1657, estate admin. by son William of Talbot Co. This family was Anglican, then Puritan. Since James b. c., 1610 named a son Wm. and our Wm. born prob. c. 1620 nameed a son James; they may have been brothers. Based on the above I think our Wm. and family prob. immigrated to either Accomack Co., Vir. or Somerset Co., Md. in the late 1660's. I think dau. Margaret was born in Eng. c. 1650. What is the source for listing Wm.'s wife as Mary and the statement that they had a dau. Mary ? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: windmother777 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/397.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Don't know if this will be at all helpful, but ..... I went to school (Rhode Island School of Design "77 - "80 with a man named Ron Coulbourn. He was a Vietnam Vet. w/ the Army Corp of Engineers prior to RISD. He had sustained an injury to his left knee. So was a "disabled Vietnam Vet." He graduated w/ a degree in Interior Architecture in 1979/1980. Post graduation , Ron joined the Peace Corps & moved to Thailand. Last I heard from him was a wedding invitation circa early 1980's to a woman in Thailand. His father's name was Handy Coulbourn. They were from Baltimore, MD & were African-American. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: StephenDennehy29 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/846.1.1.3.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: M'ellen, Read PamPersons posting. She explains the confusion. It was Thomas King who made his will 14 May 1696, Blandina Bozman witnessed his will. Someone totally reversed the facts and this error has been posted in several sites. A person's death date is within weeks and usually days of the beginning of the probate of the will or estate (if he/she died without a will). Steve Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pampearson1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.maryland.counties.somerset/846.1.1.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you. I understand the probate process quite well. I have been doing research for over 35 years, have direct ancestry in 24 states, and have hundred of wills and other probate records in my files. I occasionally lecture on wills and probate, among other topics. You seems to be confusing the second date (in this case 3 Jul 1695) with the date the will was recorded. It is not. It was the date the will was "proved" or "probated" in the court. Again, that's the date the administrator and witnesses went to court and presented the will. It is considered the beginning (not the end) of the probate process. I have reviewed and copied hundreds of wills - both original wills and those recorded into will books - and I have never seen any notations of people having died, etc. The wills are copied into the will books verbatim. Any deaths or other significant events may, as you mention, be recorded in the court records. They would not be mentioned in the Will Books. Entries in the Maryland Calendar of Wills (such as the one for Ellinor Caine) were abstracted from the wills only - and include no other probate information. Again, the first date is the date she wrote the will; the second date is the date the will was proved. For whatever reason, there are no additional probate (court) records for her in the MD Prerogative Court records. To my point, here is an example of the dates in the MD records for Alexander Maddux. His will was "proved" on 14 May 1717, but his estate was finally settled on 14 Mar 1719/20 (at least that is when the last court record appears). >From MD Calendar of Wills: Alexander Maddux; 10 Apr 1717 (date will was written); 14 May 1717 (date will was proved). >From Prerogative Corut Records: 14 May 1717: Bond of Mary Maddux, executrix; sureties Fenton and Stevens. 14 Mar 1719/20; Administration Account by executrix Mary Maddux; payments to Whittington, Dashiell, etc. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.