I have worked for some time in trying to separate various John Ryans who left records in Virginia. One of these with wife Sarah left a pension application in Randolph Co., WV. He gave his birth place as Hampshire Co., Virginia and indicated travel during Revolutionary period to Ohio and southern Shenandoah Valley. One of his children gave his own birth place as Maryland. This John Ryan appears to have first purchased property in Randolph Co., Virginia in 1795 and the child born in Maryland was likely born in 1793. John and Sarah had an arrangement to be cared for by a son Felix Ryan. John probably died before 1840 and Sarah within a few years thereafter. Felix appears to have disposed of his property in Barbour Co., VA in about 1853 and went to Iowa (together with his married oldest daughter Elizabeth Ryan and Samuel Stalnaker. Elizabeth has been confused with her aunt, Isabel Ryan Stalnaker who was married to a Samuel Stalnaker, an uncle of the previous mentioned Samuel Stalnaker who went to Iowa). An earlier John Ryan (also with a wife Sarah) appears to have lived for a while on Cheat River in about 1770-1780 but probably retreated with a neighbor John Crouch following an Indian encounter. Later John appears to have returned and acquired property near present Elkins, WV. All of John Crouch's family except for one already widowed daughter-in-law and her children appears to have moved to Kentucy before 1790. One of John Crouch's sons claimed his sister was married to a John Ryan and there is some evidence of such a couple in Kentucky and probably later in Ohio. Now I find a John Rine in Allegany county in 1810 with a somewhat unusual family: 3 males under 10, 5 males 10 to under 16, 5 males 16 to under 26, and 2 males 26 to under 45. And 1 female 10 to under 16, 1 female 16 to under 26 and 1 female 26 to under 45. One person "free" and not Indian and 4 slaves. Has anyone any knowledge of this family. It could be this John Rine for which Ryan Glade was named. It could be a person related to either the John or Jame Ryan who apparently lived in Hampshire Co., Virginia. He may be totally unconnected to other Ryans mentioned herein. Any clue and thoughts would be welcome. Thank you. Nicholas Sturm [email protected] EarthLink Revolves Around You.