I found family on the 1866 Voters List --Altamont. This is the first record I have found for Josiah F. Murphy since finding him listed in the 1850 Allegany Co. census. 1850 William Murphy, 29 (1821), blacksmith Ann, 28, (1822), (JUNKINS) Josiah, 9, (1841) John, 7 (1843) Sarah McCrobie, 23, (1827) This would mean Josiah was 25, on the 1866 voters list. Can anyone connect to this MURPHY family? Pat-T

In a message dated 10/30/2003 9:18:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, Pat125@erols.com writes: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/md/allegany/history/local/ I have a few questions that may seem stupid, but I have to ask anyway. Who all would have voted? All adult males? Just ones who owned land? Only the ones who could read? Im asking Because I am looking for Martin Knepp. I have so little on him to go on. And I know he died between 1860-1870. From where his family was at census time I believe he may have been in District 3, Grantsville. He does not show up on this list. Thats why all the questions about voting. If anyone could help Id really appreciate it!!!! Thanks! Nickole

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Someone (sorry, I can't remember the name) wanted information for the surname HULVEY. There is a Charles Hulvey listed here: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/md/allegany/history/local/votedist3.txt I have a hand copied listing for the 1870 census, I found: Hulvey, Charles, 26 WV; Margaret, 24, MD; Cora Ella, 4, MD; Manetta, 2, MD; Sarah, 5 months, MD. Living in Grantsville, Maryland (Then Allegany County, now Garrett County) Pat-T

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Hi Bonnie: There wasn't any standard that carried over from year to year. You'll see anything, sixth's, quarters, halfs, twelveths. Bonnie McCroby Wuensche wrote: > In 1850, would 1/6 have been an acceptable way to record that someone was 2 months old? Does it seem that 2/12 is more clear, or are we into using the lowest common denominator? Where could I find out what the standard was? > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list administrator, Carol Hepburn, at chepburn@cox.net.

Hi Cathy, Valley Victoria Miller Spitzer . . . that's some name!! Pretty. I have never come across this name. There haven't been many posts for Millers on the site that I can remember either. You just never know . . . it could pick up. I looked in the Bittinger Book and found a Nelson Spitzer (b. 2/3/1912) who m. Ruth Orendorf (b. 7/15/1912). Nelson is the son of Charles H. Spitzer and Myrtle Chapman. VA Dept of Transportation employee. Near Linville, VA. Good luck with your search. Sorry I wasn't much help. Lois Hetrick Stewart In a message dated 10/29/2003 5:48:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, dcm738@verizon.net writes: > Thanks for replying but I don't think we're in the same line. My ggrandma > was Valley Victoria Miller Spitzer and her siblings werre, Helen, Arch, > Charles, Kirby, Lucy and Roy. > > Cathy McGrath

Thanks for replying but I don't think we're in the same line. My ggrandma was Valley Victoria Miller Spitzer and her siblings werre, Helen, Arch, Charles, Kirby, Lucy and Roy. Cathy McGrath

What I am trying to determine is if something that looks like 1/6 could actually be 46? I agree with you - 2 months old should be 2/12. -------Original Message------- From: MDGARRET-L@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:36:00 PM To: MDGARRET-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MDGARRET] Recording ages on the 1850 census I think 2/12 is the best one to understand -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie McCroby Wuensche [mailto:mccroby@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:55 PM To: MDGARRET-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDGARRET] Recording ages on the 1850 census In 1850, would 1/6 have been an acceptable way to record that someone was 2 months old? Does it seem that 2/12 is more clear, or are we into using the lowest common denominator? Where could I find out what the standard was?

I think 2/12 is the best one to understand -----Original Message----- From: Bonnie McCroby Wuensche [mailto:mccroby@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:55 PM To: MDGARRET-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDGARRET] Recording ages on the 1850 census In 1850, would 1/6 have been an acceptable way to record that someone was 2 months old? Does it seem that 2/12 is more clear, or are we into using the lowest common denominator? Where could I find out what the standard was? ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list administrator, Carol Hepburn, at chepburn@cox.net.

In 1850, would 1/6 have been an acceptable way to record that someone was 2 months old? Does it seem that 2/12 is more clear, or are we into using the lowest common denominator? Where could I find out what the standard was?

In a message dated 10/28/2003 3:11:57 AM Pacific Standard Time, dcm738@verizon.net writes: > Lois, > > I was reading your note here and saw the name, Beulah Miller, do you know > who her parents are? My ggrandmother is a Miller and am curious if she is > in that line of Miller's. > > Thanks for any help that you can give me. > > Cathy McGrath > Hi Cathy, Beulah is the daughter of Annie Belle Hetrick and John William Miller. She is the sister of Mary Maxine Miller, Bill Beitzel's wife. Mary Beitzel was b. 11/23/1937. Annie Belle was our Martin Hetrick's granddaughter. Martin Hetrick was my g-grandfather Conrad Hetrick's youngest brother. Bill's g-grandmother Anna Mary Hetrick was Conrad's sister. I guess that makes them both my double cousins :-) Lois Hetrick Stewart

Thank you Connie for the info on the Marriage licenses. It certainly helped. Helen Rehm ----- Original Message ----- From: "connie beachy" <cbeachy@gcnetmail.net> To: <MDGARRET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] records > > Hi everybody. I have a question. Is the best place to get a copy of an > 1851 Marriage License, at the Court House in Cumberland, MD? Thanks so > much!!! > > Now, to answer the above question: > I asked the clerks at the courthouse today if they're still sending out > copies of marriage records when requested. The answer is: > > YES if you give them the date of marriage. If not, they won't do the > research to find it. > > Now, for everyone, please remember that there is nothing more on the > certified copies of the marriage records you ask for than is found in the > marriage record books, ie: names and ages of bride and groom, occupations, > residence, relationship if any, date married, date applied for license, name > of pastor, church and location of church or Justice of the Peace and > location, race, sex and whether single,widowed or divorced. Beyond 1852, > only the names of the couple, ages, and date of marriage are given. This is > all you get on the certified copies. > > Connie > > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list administrator, Carol Hepburn, at chepburn@cox.net. > >

Lois, I was reading your note here and saw the name, Beulah Miller, do you know who her parents are? My ggrandmother is a Miller and am curious if she is in that line of Miller's. Thanks for any help that you can give me. Cathy McGrath ----- Original Message ----- From: <TRPLUS@aol.com> To: <MDGARRET-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: [MDGARRET] Hetrick Cem & GG Hetrick grandparents (b. abt 1800-1810) > In a message dated 10/27/2003 8:20:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, > SHUPE@citcom.net writes: > > > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/bedford/cemeteries/hetrick-cem.txt > > > Carolyn, > > Thanks so much for sending this cemetary information. Looks like there are > some clues here--a mix of Michael Hetrick's family and my g-grandfather, Conrad > Hetrick's family. > > Still have not found my gg grandfather's name or when he came to America. > Only information I have is some information on my gg grandmother Katherina ? (b. > 1808) > > I'm still looking for information re Conrad's younger brother John Hetrick, > b. 1840, and wife Laura Kimmet Hetrick. > > Son of John Hetrick, John Calvin Hetrick was married to a Samantha. > > I saw a Samantha or two in the Hetrick Cem info. > > I'm floundering in email (still over 118) . . . just responding/reading > special ones. > > There was so much I wasn't able to cover while in MD--Isabel flooded out that > part of Rt 495 near Jennings that I wanted to explore, but I did get lots of > pictures and some new information. Didn't get any pictures of the family farms > or land, but did a drive-by the residences on Legeer Road. Preston was > driving too fast though as we headed to Mary and Bill Beitzel's and I wasn't able to > keep up with comparing the line up in the early census with the old > homeplaces. Of course many that I was interested in were gone, but was able to piece > more together on the way back with Leora's knowledge of the area. > > I did see the turn in of the lane where Peter G. and Lydia Slabaugh Stark > lived. It was located on the same side of the road and between the new Emmanuel > Lutheran Church and the Hetrick farmhouse on Maynardier Ridge just across the > street from the Bittinger Cemetery. > > My cousin Doris Knox (still living at the farmhouse) said it's all different > back there, none of the old homestead is left--the current owner raises/trains > horses for the Amish in that area, so we didn't venture back there. > > I did manage to get a picture of the old barn out of the Hetrick photo album. > It wasn't the exact picture I remembered seeing 10 years ago that I got it on > the camcorder, but it will do. > > Got lots of shots of the pioneer graves on Ord Street in Salisbury -- you > probably saw my response to the Lois Hedrick obit where I documented that stuff. > > I will be making up notebooks with maps and photos I collected on (1) > Hershbergers, (2) Slabaughs, (3) Snyders, (4) Early Hetricks (i.e. Katherina > Eisfeller also spelled Catherine Icefeller) and some new information about her Hetrick > husband that came to America to start a fur trading business, came through > Canada to WV, and married an Iroquois woman, (5) Upholds (Conrad's wife's > family), (6) Livingoods (7) Beeghleys (8) and related Faidley and Glotfelty > connections and will continue to concentrate on those surnames. > > I was shown the land where Martin Hetrick's daughter Martha (and hubby Jim > Germanus Stark) lived on Legeer. The census sheet I have shows Rebecca > Mosser/Musser with Martin Hetrick's three children living next door (so to speak) and > the Liningers were above that (closer to PA/Allegany Co. line at that time). > Many of the places were located in clearings some distance off the road. It > appears the census taker went back and forth across Legeer to do the census. This > was determined with Leora Beitzel's help who came along with my cousin Margie > Brenneman and us to tour the area and visit Mary and Bill Beitzel. > > Mary Beitzel's sister Beulah Miller (never married) is also working on the > family history. She's the source of information on my g-g grandfather Hetrick > (the one connected to the Iroquois women). > > Connie's friend Maxine Buckel lives in "The Old Cheese House" that my uncle > Roy called his childhood home. We happened to run into them on our journey--got > more pictures of their place. Maxine said a Snyder family lived there before > she owned it. I would like to find out which Snyder family that was. Maybe a > deed of sale is available on the Garrett site. > > Heading north a few yards from the corner of Rock Lodge and 495 where Leora > Beitzel lives to a little lane on the right behind Brenneman's Store we believe > could have possibly been the location of the first home of my grandparents > Melchoir and Elizabeth Slabaugh Hetrick. We didn't venture down the lane > however. It was private property and even if we did happen to go there, there was > nothing to really confirm that Melchoir and Lizzie had in fact lived there in the > early 1890s, unless whoever lives there now might know something. Guess that > will have to wait for another visit. > > I did find out that there was another barn in existence before the barn we > knew as kids visiting in the 1940s-50s located across the road from the > farmhouse (in the pasture near where the new garage/shed sits now) also another house > existed on the property nearer to Maynardier Ridge road but just a matter of > yards from the existing farmhouse. Was told that grandma used to walk down to > the pond a short distance away. The pond is just downhill a few yards from the > existing farmhouse. > > The picture I have of the supposed Martin and Dianna Musser Hetrick's home in > the mid 1850 to early 1860's was a gun club located in PA. I saw pictures > with a sign with the name of the gun club on it while visiting Mary and Bill > Beitzel. It appeared to be the place where Hetrick Reunions were held many years > ago. I wasn't able to determine if it was actually Martin and Diana's home > though. Dianna died in 1863. Would probably have to get a deed of sale or > transfer. Another piece of the puzzle. > > My gggrandfather Hetrick still eludes me. His and Katherina's last son Martin > was born in 1842. > > Anna Mary Hetrick (Conrad's sister) said she came to America "with her family > as a young girl." > > I suspect that Katherina Hetrick Eisfeller (b. 1808) brought her family to > America sometime between 1842-1846 after first marrying Jacob Eisfeller. > > The 1850 census shows John and Charles living with the Beeghleys (they were 9 > and 8, respectively). Martin was b. 1842 and would have been abt 8 years old > in 1850; Anna Mary (b. 1830) would have been 20. That's why I believe the > Hetricks came over shortly after Martin was born or by the time he was about 4-5 > years old. The other Hetrick children were: John Calvin (b. 1840), Charles (b. > 1842). Conrad (b. 1827) did not come to America at this time. > > There was a letter written by an adult John Hetrick to Conrad in 1846, > complaining to Conrad about his not writting back. > > The last letter we have that was written by Conrad's mother (to him in > Germany) was in 1856 -- still haven't received the translation. > > We know that Martin was in MD by the time he was 14 (in 1855-56). That's when > he fathered his first son Jonas Hetrick (with Diana Mussor/Mosser). > > Conrad and Anna Maria "Nancy" Uphold Hetrick were in MD by 1860--the birth of > their first child, Charles Conrad Hetrick. > > Katherina and Jacob were listed in the Grantsville Census in 1870 (in their > sixties). > > Anyway . . . there are some dates here that might give us some clues in > piecing this family together. > > That's the summary of what I have thus far. Now with this summarized, I can > compare it to the cemetery information and find more links. I will search WV > for my gg grandfather Hetrick as time permits or unless someone such as you > unearths some more clues for me. Preston County, WV may be a good place to check. > Seems I have a lot of ancestoral connections to that area. > > Lois Hetrick Stewart > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list administrator, Carol Hepburn, at chepburn@cox.net. >

Thanks for sharing this, Pat. It just reminds me that the current owner/publisher/editor of the Oakland Republand, Don Sincell, fits the description of his ancestor, Charles H. And the family are still members of the Lutheran Church in Oakland. Connie > Weekly News, Frederick MD, March 6, 1884 > > > In speaking of Mr. Charles H. SINCELL, whose death from heart disease > occurred on the 23d of last month, at Oakland, Md., the "Republican" > of that place says: "The deceased was born on the 26th of July, 1838, > in Frederick city, Md. His father died when he was but four years of > age and his mother when sixteen. He was foreman in the coach factory > of Messrs. Hood & Hane for eighteen years, and in 1874 came to Oakland > and engaged actively in the carriage and wagon and general blacksmithing > business with the Messrs. Browning Bros. The following year he became > sole proprietor and continued in the business up to the day of his death. > He was a prominent, useful citizen, loved by all who knew him. He was > a member of the Lutheran Church, and for many years an efficient member > of the Evan. Lutheran Church Council. He was a faithful humble christian, > exemplary as a man and as a christian. For the last several years he was > a great sufferer at times, but he patiently and submissively bore all. He > leaves a wife and eight children to mourn his loss. The funeral was the > largest ever seen in Oakland though the weather was inclement.

In a message dated 10/27/2003 8:20:12 AM Pacific Standard Time, SHUPE@citcom.net writes: > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/bedford/cemeteries/hetrick-cem.txt > Carolyn, Thanks so much for sending this cemetary information. Looks like there are some clues here--a mix of Michael Hetrick's family and my g-grandfather, Conrad Hetrick's family. Still have not found my gg grandfather's name or when he came to America. Only information I have is some information on my gg grandmother Katherina ? (b. 1808) I'm still looking for information re Conrad's younger brother John Hetrick, b. 1840, and wife Laura Kimmet Hetrick. Son of John Hetrick, John Calvin Hetrick was married to a Samantha. I saw a Samantha or two in the Hetrick Cem info. I'm floundering in email (still over 118) . . . just responding/reading special ones. There was so much I wasn't able to cover while in MD--Isabel flooded out that part of Rt 495 near Jennings that I wanted to explore, but I did get lots of pictures and some new information. Didn't get any pictures of the family farms or land, but did a drive-by the residences on Legeer Road. Preston was driving too fast though as we headed to Mary and Bill Beitzel's and I wasn't able to keep up with comparing the line up in the early census with the old homeplaces. Of course many that I was interested in were gone, but was able to piece more together on the way back with Leora's knowledge of the area. I did see the turn in of the lane where Peter G. and Lydia Slabaugh Stark lived. It was located on the same side of the road and between the new Emmanuel Lutheran Church and the Hetrick farmhouse on Maynardier Ridge just across the street from the Bittinger Cemetery. My cousin Doris Knox (still living at the farmhouse) said it's all different back there, none of the old homestead is left--the current owner raises/trains horses for the Amish in that area, so we didn't venture back there. I did manage to get a picture of the old barn out of the Hetrick photo album. It wasn't the exact picture I remembered seeing 10 years ago that I got it on the camcorder, but it will do. Got lots of shots of the pioneer graves on Ord Street in Salisbury -- you probably saw my response to the Lois Hedrick obit where I documented that stuff. I will be making up notebooks with maps and photos I collected on (1) Hershbergers, (2) Slabaughs, (3) Snyders, (4) Early Hetricks (i.e. Katherina Eisfeller also spelled Catherine Icefeller) and some new information about her Hetrick husband that came to America to start a fur trading business, came through Canada to WV, and married an Iroquois woman, (5) Upholds (Conrad's wife's family), (6) Livingoods (7) Beeghleys (8) and related Faidley and Glotfelty connections and will continue to concentrate on those surnames. I was shown the land where Martin Hetrick's daughter Martha (and hubby Jim Germanus Stark) lived on Legeer. The census sheet I have shows Rebecca Mosser/Musser with Martin Hetrick's three children living next door (so to speak) and the Liningers were above that (closer to PA/Allegany Co. line at that time). Many of the places were located in clearings some distance off the road. It appears the census taker went back and forth across Legeer to do the census. This was determined with Leora Beitzel's help who came along with my cousin Margie Brenneman and us to tour the area and visit Mary and Bill Beitzel. Mary Beitzel's sister Beulah Miller (never married) is also working on the family history. She's the source of information on my g-g grandfather Hetrick (the one connected to the Iroquois women). Connie's friend Maxine Buckel lives in "The Old Cheese House" that my uncle Roy called his childhood home. We happened to run into them on our journey--got more pictures of their place. Maxine said a Snyder family lived there before she owned it. I would like to find out which Snyder family that was. Maybe a deed of sale is available on the Garrett site. Heading north a few yards from the corner of Rock Lodge and 495 where Leora Beitzel lives to a little lane on the right behind Brenneman's Store we believe could have possibly been the location of the first home of my grandparents Melchoir and Elizabeth Slabaugh Hetrick. We didn't venture down the lane however. It was private property and even if we did happen to go there, there was nothing to really confirm that Melchoir and Lizzie had in fact lived there in the early 1890s, unless whoever lives there now might know something. Guess that will have to wait for another visit. I did find out that there was another barn in existence before the barn we knew as kids visiting in the 1940s-50s located across the road from the farmhouse (in the pasture near where the new garage/shed sits now) also another house existed on the property nearer to Maynardier Ridge road but just a matter of yards from the existing farmhouse. Was told that grandma used to walk down to the pond a short distance away. The pond is just downhill a few yards from the existing farmhouse. The picture I have of the supposed Martin and Dianna Musser Hetrick's home in the mid 1850 to early 1860's was a gun club located in PA. I saw pictures with a sign with the name of the gun club on it while visiting Mary and Bill Beitzel. It appeared to be the place where Hetrick Reunions were held many years ago. I wasn't able to determine if it was actually Martin and Diana's home though. Dianna died in 1863. Would probably have to get a deed of sale or transfer. Another piece of the puzzle. My gggrandfather Hetrick still eludes me. His and Katherina's last son Martin was born in 1842. Anna Mary Hetrick (Conrad's sister) said she came to America "with her family as a young girl." I suspect that Katherina Hetrick Eisfeller (b. 1808) brought her family to America sometime between 1842-1846 after first marrying Jacob Eisfeller. The 1850 census shows John and Charles living with the Beeghleys (they were 9 and 8, respectively). Martin was b. 1842 and would have been abt 8 years old in 1850; Anna Mary (b. 1830) would have been 20. That's why I believe the Hetricks came over shortly after Martin was born or by the time he was about 4-5 years old. The other Hetrick children were: John Calvin (b. 1840), Charles (b. 1842). Conrad (b. 1827) did not come to America at this time. There was a letter written by an adult John Hetrick to Conrad in 1846, complaining to Conrad about his not writting back. The last letter we have that was written by Conrad's mother (to him in Germany) was in 1856 -- still haven't received the translation. We know that Martin was in MD by the time he was 14 (in 1855-56). That's when he fathered his first son Jonas Hetrick (with Diana Mussor/Mosser). Conrad and Anna Maria "Nancy" Uphold Hetrick were in MD by 1860--the birth of their first child, Charles Conrad Hetrick. Katherina and Jacob were listed in the Grantsville Census in 1870 (in their sixties). Anyway . . . there are some dates here that might give us some clues in piecing this family together. That's the summary of what I have thus far. Now with this summarized, I can compare it to the cemetery information and find more links. I will search WV for my gg grandfather Hetrick as time permits or unless someone such as you unearths some more clues for me. Preston County, WV may be a good place to check. Seems I have a lot of ancestoral connections to that area. Lois Hetrick Stewart

> Hi everybody. I have a question. Is the best place to get a copy of an 1851 Marriage License, at the Court House in Cumberland, MD? Thanks so much!!! Now, to answer the above question: I asked the clerks at the courthouse today if they're still sending out copies of marriage records when requested. The answer is: YES if you give them the date of marriage. If not, they won't do the research to find it. Now, for everyone, please remember that there is nothing more on the certified copies of the marriage records you ask for than is found in the marriage record books, ie: names and ages of bride and groom, occupations, residence, relationship if any, date married, date applied for license, name of pastor, church and location of church or Justice of the Peace and location, race, sex and whether single,widowed or divorced. Beyond 1852, only the names of the couple, ages, and date of marriage are given. This is all you get on the certified copies. Connie

Ruth, Scanned the records from 1847 to 1850 and found only the following: 20 Nov 1849 - Elisha D. McRobie m. Cerria(spelling is anyone's guess) Parker. I didn't find Susan McRobie listed anywhere except in the 1868 records where she married Henry Bray, 67. She was only 37 and a widow. Without a last name to go by it would take a long time for anyone to find Susan's marriage to a McRobie. These are the really old records, not in alphabetical order. Only information they give is the names and ages of the bride and groom and the date they were married. The original records for these early years were lost in a fire. What is available is what was provided by churches and relatives as to who got married when. Interestingly enough, I did find the following marriage: 7 Sept 1912 - Married in Allegany County by Pastor James Clark, William H. Bray (no age given), married Hasenath Victory McRobie (no age). None of the information of occupation, widow/single, etc., age, residence was given. Connie History is preserved through knowledge shared

Posted to the MDFREDER-L@rootsweb.com by abbybowman I thought this might help someone. Pat -T ____ Weekly News, Frederick MD, March 6, 1884 In speaking of Mr. Charles H. SINCELL, whose death from heart disease occurred on the 23d of last month, at Oakland, Md., the "Republican" of that place says: "The deceased was born on the 26th of July, 1838, in Frederick city, Md. His father died when he was but four years of age and his mother when sixteen. He was foreman in the coach factory of Messrs. Hood & Hane for eighteen years, and in 1874 came to Oakland and engaged actively in the carriage and wagon and general blacksmithing business with the Messrs. Browning Bros. The following year he became sole proprietor and continued in the business up to the day of his death. He was a prominent, useful citizen, loved by all who knew him. He was a member of the Lutheran Church, and for many years an efficient member of the Evan. Lutheran Church Council. He was a faithful humble christian, exemplary as a man and as a christian. For the last several years he was a great sufferer at times, but he patiently and submissively bore all. He leaves a wife and eight children to mourn his loss. The funeral was the largest ever seen in Oakland though the weather was inclement. Mrs. Ellen DOLL, who was summoned to the burial of her nephew, C. H. SINCELL, Oakland, Md., returned home yesterday evening.

Kathleen, I think the 1893 marriage is possibly the William I want. Delores