Pauline, The most documented cases of this involve the group known as the Melungeons of Eastern TN and western VA. It is a more wide spread phenomenon though. It includes mostly groups that are mountain people from MD WV PA VA NC SC GA TN KY and even OH. Todd

I recall having seen an article that was an attempt to match up Indian names of early New Jersey residents with the names they used in later years or which they used when selling land they had possesses using the traditional Indian names. That is, matches between names as original tax payers and laters when disposing or leaving the land to children. Having little confidence in my connections to New Jersey at the time I didn't specifically catalog the reference. Wish I had it now. > [Original Message] > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 8/30/2006 6:29:36 PM > Subject: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood > > In my family (Descended from Joseph Warnick) there were always stories of > Indian blood but no one could prove it. One has to remember that until > recently anyone who was less than white was considered a non person and so the > descendents of the original east coast Indians married into white families and > assimilated to rise in social class and acceptence. I believe that about 90% of > the old families which reach back to the 18th century have Indian blood. Not all > of the tribes moved west or died out but many married into white families. > THey often took very common English names so you can't trace them by the names > and the fact that they were Indian or halfbreed was covered up. There was even > a movement to call people with darker skin a free person of color and with > that deny them the right to vote. THis is the untold story of a large population > of the Appalachian Mountain people. I can remember kids that I grew up with > who had no connections to any dark skinned mediterreneans who had dark hair and > dark eyes but very English sounding names and that was in PA just over the WV > line in Greene Co. I am sure that they must have had Indian blood in their > make up. Todd > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the web at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html >

In a message dated 8/30/2006 9:51:17 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: If you could talk to Bob Brenneman you'd hear the story about the Indian Connection. If you could see Bob Brenneman you'd know he had an Indian connection. Have any of you read Bittinger Book..I think it was written by Walt Warnick. Connie Connie, the Bittinger, Bittner, Biddinger, and Bidinger Families -- and Their Kin -- of Garrett County, Maryland was written by Wayne Bittinger. ;o) Lois

Thanks Carolyn. I appreciate it. Lois In a message dated 8/30/2006 4:22:25 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I'll check for you. There is a really old book of the Kramer's. I have my line which descended from the Jolliffe's from Smithtown and Fairmont. There were several brothers and sisters and other lines listed in the book. Sorry I can't remember the name...it's been a long time since I've seen it. Carolyn

Hi Sam, I didn't mean that Henry had Indian Blood, but it appears his sons did. In the front of the Bittinger Book, page 73 (Jonathan Bittinger) 75 (Solomon P. Bittinger). I did an extensive study on Henry last year. My cousin Bob Brenneman descends from William H. "Bill" Bittinger (Henry's last child). Bill married Agnes Ruckle (Bob Brenneman)--Bob Brenneman's great grandparents. Lois In a message dated 8/30/2006 4:09:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lois: I don't know about the Bittinger's having Indian blood. Don't know where it would have come in if they did. Henry Bittinger was born July 14, 1778. He married Barbara Bauser about 1799. She was born in July of 1772, so was about 6 years older than Henry. The Bauser's (later Bowsers) lived directly across the road from the Bittingers about 1 1/2 miles northeast of Meyersdale in Somerset County, PA.. The Bowsers were of Swiss origin. So Henry Bittinger was about 22 years of age when he married Barbara about 1799. Wayne Bittinger's book, page 15, places Henry in Somerset County in 1798 as a member of a local militia under his father's command. This was probably the period and shortly before when he was involved in skirmishes with the Indians in Ohio. In 1799, 1800, 1801, 1802, 1804, and 1806 they were living in Somerset County. Sam

You know, there's a book called Indian Blood, long out of print. It's about Garrett County people, especially those who had some Indian Blood. The author of this book is deceased. Her family will not allow any reprints of the book. Connie

Todd, Do you know of any books in particular that cover this topic in a factual way? This missing information is very frustrating to those of us who are trying to find it, I know there are a lot of us. It seems like the answers we are likely to find lie in the history books (the story in general) and as you point out names were changed and the cover up was successful. Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 6:27 PM Subject: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood > In my family (Descended from Joseph Warnick) there were always stories > of > Indian blood but no one could prove it. One has to remember that until > recently anyone who was less than white was considered a non person and so > the > descendents of the original east coast Indians married into white families > and > assimilated to rise in social class and acceptence. I believe that about > 90% of > the old families which reach back to the 18th century have Indian blood. > Not all > of the tribes moved west or died out but many married into white families. > THey often took very common English names so you can't trace them by the > names > and the fact that they were Indian or halfbreed was covered up. There was > even > a movement to call people with darker skin a free person of color and with > that deny them the right to vote. THis is the untold story of a large > population > of the Appalachian Mountain people. I can remember kids that I grew up > with > who had no connections to any dark skinned mediterreneans who had dark > hair and > dark eyes but very English sounding names and that was in PA just over the > WV > line in Greene Co. I am sure that they must have had Indian blood in their > make up. Todd > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the > web at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html > >

In my family (Descended from Joseph Warnick) there were always stories of Indian blood but no one could prove it. One has to remember that until recently anyone who was less than white was considered a non person and so the descendents of the original east coast Indians married into white families and assimilated to rise in social class and acceptence. I believe that about 90% of the old families which reach back to the 18th century have Indian blood. Not all of the tribes moved west or died out but many married into white families. THey often took very common English names so you can't trace them by the names and the fact that they were Indian or halfbreed was covered up. There was even a movement to call people with darker skin a free person of color and with that deny them the right to vote. THis is the untold story of a large population of the Appalachian Mountain people. I can remember kids that I grew up with who had no connections to any dark skinned mediterreneans who had dark hair and dark eyes but very English sounding names and that was in PA just over the WV line in Greene Co. I am sure that they must have had Indian blood in their make up. Todd

Connie, William Wiland married Margaret Durst. William was my 4th g, grandfather through is daughter Matilda who married George Uphold, Jr. This IS an interesting discussion. Thanks to all the contributors. Great List! Pat-T -----Original Message----- From: cbeachy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MDGARRET] Fw: More data on Henry Bittinger. AOL EmailThis message is from [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Hi Garrett Co. families!! The stories are interesting that you all have been posting. I come from the Casper Durst & Caderina (Catherine) Bittinger side of the generations. I too read about Old Henry Bittinger, written that he said he "had trouble with the old yellow buggers," meaning the Indians. If I am correct it is written that it was strange that he would say that since his mother was thought to have been part Indian. Also the medicine stories made me think of William Wyland , married to one of the daughters of Henry Durst & Barbara Garlitz who became blind from small pox. It was written that William was one of the cancer curing doctors of his era and territory. He passed the remedy on to his son Joel who had the ingredients but not the amount to mix so the recipe was lost forever, so it was written. Interesting families in the Garrett Co. region. ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the web at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html

AOL EmailThis message is from [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Hi Garrett Co. families!! The stories are interesting that you all have been posting. I come from the Casper Durst & Caderina (Catherine) Bittinger side of the generations. I too read about Old Henry Bittinger, written that he said he "had trouble with the old yellow buggers," meaning the Indians. If I am correct it is written that it was strange that he would say that since his mother was thought to have been part Indian. Also the medicine stories made me think of William Wyland , married to one of the daughters of Henry Durst & Barbara Garlitz who became blind from small pox. It was written that William was one of the cancer curing doctors of his era and territory. He passed the remedy on to his son Joel who had the ingredients but not the amount to mix so the recipe was lost forever, so it was written. Interesting families in the Garrett Co. region.

If you could talk to Bob Brenneman you'd hear the story about the Indian Connection. If you could see Bob Brenneman you'd know he had an Indian connection. Have any of you read Bittinger Book..I think it was written by Walt Warnick. Connie > Hi Lois: > > I don't know about the Bittinger's having Indian blood. Don't know where > it would have come in if they did. > > Henry Bittinger was born July 14, 1778. He married Barbara Bauser > about 1799. She was born in July of 1772, so was about 6 years older > than Henry. The Bauser's (later Bowsers) lived directly across the road > from the Bittingers about 1 1/2 miles northeast of Meyersdale in Somerset > County, PA.. The Bowsers were of Swiss origin. > > So Henry Bittinger was about 22 years of age when he married Barbara > about 1799. > > Wayne Bittinger's book, page 15, places Henry in Somerset County in > 1798 as a member of a local militia under his father's command. This was > probably the period and shortly before when he was involved in skirmishes > with the Indians in Ohio. > > In 1799, 1800, 1801, 1802, 1804, and 1806 they were living in Somerset County. > > Sam > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:07 PM > Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] Pow Wow medicine > > > > > > Hi Bobbi, > > > > My Dad, Ernest Elwood Hetrick, b. 1/1902, Stanton buddies his age; also Fred > > Bittinger. One of these had a speech impediment. Anyone know who that would > > have been? The Bittinger's had Indian Blood. Henry Bittinger, the progenitor > > of the Bittinger's in Garrett County, lived among the Shawnee for many years. > > > > Lois Hetrick Stewart > > > > In a message dated 8/29/2006 8:17:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Hello: > > My main line in Garrett County is Stanton, descending from William Stanton > > in Grantsville (Stanton's Mill). Any info on that line appreciated. > > With the interesting herbal thread, I though I would ask if anyone has had > > any ancestors who were practiced Pow Wow medicine. > > Bobbi K > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected] > > > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected] > > >

Carolyn: My husband's Kramers came from Alsace-Lorraine about 1850 and settled in Pittsburgh, Pa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "carolyn malcolm" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] Pow Wow medicine >I don't know the Stanton line; but I was a Kramer (from >Fairmont/Smithtown,W.Va.). Do you know anything about that line? > > Carolyn Malcolm > > Bobbi Kramer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello: > My main line in Garrett County is Stanton, descending from William Stanton > in Grantsville (Stanton's Mill). Any info on that line appreciated. > With the interesting herbal thread, I though I would ask if anyone has had > any ancestors who were practiced Pow Wow medicine. > Bobbi K > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the > web at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html > > > > > --------------------------------- > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done > faster. > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list > administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected] > > >

Hi Lois: I don't know about the Bittinger's having Indian blood. Don't know where it would have come in if they did. Henry Bittinger was born July 14, 1778. He married Barbara Bauser about 1799. She was born in July of 1772, so was about 6 years older than Henry. The Bauser's (later Bowsers) lived directly across the road from the Bittingers about 1 1/2 miles northeast of Meyersdale in Somerset County, PA.. The Bowsers were of Swiss origin. So Henry Bittinger was about 22 years of age when he married Barbara about 1799. Wayne Bittinger's book, page 15, places Henry in Somerset County in 1798 as a member of a local militia under his father's command. This was probably the period and shortly before when he was involved in skirmishes with the Indians in Ohio. In 1799, 1800, 1801, 1802, 1804, and 1806 they were living in Somerset County. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:07 PM Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] Pow Wow medicine > > Hi Bobbi, > > My Dad, Ernest Elwood Hetrick, b. 1/1902, Stanton buddies his age; also Fred > Bittinger. One of these had a speech impediment. Anyone know who that would > have been? The Bittinger's had Indian Blood. Henry Bittinger, the progenitor > of the Bittinger's in Garrett County, lived among the Shawnee for many years. > > Lois Hetrick Stewart > > In a message dated 8/29/2006 8:17:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hello: > My main line in Garrett County is Stanton, descending from William Stanton > in Grantsville (Stanton's Mill). Any info on that line appreciated. > With the interesting herbal thread, I though I would ask if anyone has had > any ancestors who were practiced Pow Wow medicine. > Bobbi K > > > > > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected] >

I'll check for you. There is a really old book of the Kramer's. I have my line which descended from the Jolliffe's from Smithtown and Fairmont. There were several brothers and sisters and other lines listed in the book. Sorry I can't remember the name...it's been a long time since I've seen it. Carolyn [email protected] wrote: Hi Carolyn, I'm looking for Kramer's too for my two Kramer sons. All I have is their Dad, Gene William Kramer (b. 6/1940), his Dad, William Ernest Kramer (b. abt. 1922). Gene's Mother was Emma Kosa. He has three sisters, Barbara (64); Merritta (63); and Carol (?). Does William Ernest show up anywhere in your line? Lois Hetrick Stewart I don't know the Stanton line; but I was a Kramer (from Fairmont/Smithtown,W.Va.). Do you know anything about that line? Carolyn Malcolm ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the web at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business.

Hi Bobbi, My Dad, Ernest Elwood Hetrick, b. 1/1902, Stanton buddies his age; also Fred Bittinger. One of these had a speech impediment. Anyone know who that would have been? The Bittinger's had Indian Blood. Henry Bittinger, the progenitor of the Bittinger's in Garrett County, lived among the Shawnee for many years. Lois Hetrick Stewart In a message dated 8/29/2006 8:17:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hello: My main line in Garrett County is Stanton, descending from William Stanton in Grantsville (Stanton's Mill). Any info on that line appreciated. With the interesting herbal thread, I though I would ask if anyone has had any ancestors who were practiced Pow Wow medicine. Bobbi K

Hi Carolyn, I'm looking for Kramer's too for my two Kramer sons. All I have is their Dad, Gene William Kramer (b. 6/1940), his Dad, William Ernest Kramer (b. abt. 1922). Gene's Mother was Emma Kosa. He has three sisters, Barbara (64); Merritta (63); and Carol (?). Does William Ernest show up anywhere in your line? Lois Hetrick Stewart I don't know the Stanton line; but I was a Kramer (from Fairmont/Smithtown,W.Va.). Do you know anything about that line? Carolyn Malcolm

Friends, Thank you for the likely solution to the question of "Sliperalum and yurse." I reviewed the handwriting and decided that the words were spelled as stated. I believe you folks are as correct as we can be nearly a hundred years since the letter was written. After due thought it was my guess as well though I knew and know little about either medicine. History tells us that both were used, but we don't know how widely the use was applied. Of course the other significant problem is we don't know the symptoms that her daughter's husband had--and Mother asked her daughter to send some of it if she could get it. Perhaps it was like my childhood during the great depression if you were sick there were only a few remedies available, castor oil being one of the main ones. I can say that knowing the range of treatments available left open the likelihood of not complaining unless you were really sick. That tells me that maybe the best treatment is no treatment. That may be the actual fact. The place in Oklahoma was pretty isolated, and it was only five years after Oklahoma became a state from Indian Territory. Thanks again. I'll consider it resolved. Gerald

Hello: My main line in Garrett County is Stanton, descending from William Stanton in Grantsville (Stanton's Mill). Any info on that line appreciated. With the interesting herbal thread, I though I would ask if anyone has had any ancestors who were practiced Pow Wow medicine. Bobbi K

From: Beth winged foot Golden To: [email protected] Sent: 8/29/2006 4:02:02 AM Subject: Hi Kathleen, I'm new to this list thing and not sure how or where to respond to this thread - so In response to "Hi there, Don't know about the "yurse" part, but I suspect that by "sliperalum" she meant "slippery elm". "yurse" could also be uva ursi. Common names are bearberry, upland cranberry, universe vine, mountain cranberry, mountain box, wild cranberry, bear's grape, kinpikinn ick, mealberry, sagekhomi. Medicinal properties: diuretic, astringent, nephreticum, tonic. Part of plant used: leaves. (taken from Jethro Kloss' Back to Eden.") Thanks, Kathleen for helping get this posted. A short tutorial on how I do my own the next time, would be greatly appreciated. Beth ~~~ Hi Beth, To post to the MDGARRET mailing list, just address your posts to: [email protected] The computer at that address will then send a copy out to all the list members, including yourself! {;o) Clever huh? Sometime in early Sept. the list's address will be changing to [email protected] (notice they will be dropping the "-L") when Rootsweb manages to get the MDGARRET list "migrated" over to it's new mailing system. Our list admin (Sonny) will let us know when the address for MDGARRET finally changes. The old address is supposed to still work for a while after the change so don't panic if you don't get it changed in your address book right away. Welcome to the list! Bye for now, Kathleen

How about 'gorse'? ---Medicinal Action and Uses---The plant has never played an important part in herbal medicine. Parkinson tells us that 'some have used the flowers against the jaundice.' An infusion of the blossoms used to be given to children to drink in scarlet-fever. Gerard states: 'the seeds are employed in medicines against the stone and staying of the laske' (laxness of the bowels). They have some astringent property, containing tannin. Old writers also tell-us that 'sodden with honey, it clears the mouth' and that it 'is good against snake-bite.' It had an old reputation as an insecticide: 'Against fleas, take this same wort, with its seed, sodden; sprinkle it into the house; it killeth the fleas.' In 1886 A. W. Gerrard discovered an alkaloid in the seeds, more powerful as a purgative than the Sparteine obtained from Cytisus scoparius (Link) (Pharm. Journal, Aug. 7, 1886). This was named Ulexine. In 1890 the German scientist Kobert, as the result of much investigation, came to the conclusion that Ulexine and Cytisine are identical. He also found indication of a second alkaloid. The suggestion gave rise to a considerable chemico-physiological discussion (see Pharm. Journal, Feb. 1891). Ulexine has been used in cardiac dropsy, the dose being from 1/15 to 1/20, of a grain.