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    1. Re: [MDGARRET] About Physical Characteristics as "Indicators" of Native Ances...
    2. Laura, Thanks so much for your response. So very interesting. Lois Hetrick Stewart

    09/02/2006 12:17:54
    1. About Physical Characteristics as "Indicators" of Native Ancestry
    2. Native Americans don't all look alike. And they are not the Hollywood image of old. Go to any Pow Wow and you will see Native Americans of all colors. From the lightest of color hair, eyes and skin to the darkest due to intermarriage with other races from the earliest of times up til today. The following list started as a collection of Physical Characteristics noted by numerous researchers over many years of doing research. It does not point to any one tribe. They are merely physical characteristics that we look for as "indicators" when researching Native American Ancestry. When I was in elementary school I was a Tomboy and loved being barefoot. Until one day in school where we traced our feet. I noticed for the first time that my feet were different. My big toes are shorter than my other toes and I have what is considered a small foot with an extremely high arch. I thought I was deformed and started wearing socks or sat with my feet under me to hide them. Another girls mother was a helper in class. She noticed the change, she told me that in some tribes, feet like mine were a sign of royalty. She actually used a different word which I didn't understand at the time that she explained was like a princess. She was a full Cherokee so I believed her and wasn't embarrassed anymore. I just accepted her reassurance as any young child would. Growing up I didn't know of my own heritage. I was constantly amazed by people who would come up to me asking what tribe. They would say I looked Indian because of my coloring, cheek bones, or my nose, and numerous other physical characteristcs. I felt complimented, but thought they were confused. It wasn't until years later when a distant cousin of my mothers told us we were part Shawnee, that I became involved in Native American Ancestry research and found out what they had been talking about all those years. Many people are surprised to find the physical characteristics running in their family, are often "indicators" of Native American Ancestry. High cheekbones where glasses set high on the face and get all smeary on the bottom of the lens. Almond shaped almost oriental looking eyes. Lazy eyes in children. Heavy "fat" eyelids where the eyelid appears to have an extra fold. A melanin (pigmentation) in the back of the eye on the retina peculiar to Native Americans. "Shovel" teeth, the teeth have a ledge on the backside. Run your tongue across them, they feel almost like a shovel shape. Large front teeth with a slight or more than slight gap. Lack of the Carrabelli cusp on the maxillary first molars, (a little bump) which is missing in Native Americans. Large heavy earlobes. Crooked fingers particularly the little finger or pinky. An inverted breastbone. Often called a Chicken Breast. The bone actually makes an indentation in the chest. Little toes that lie under the next one. A second toe longer than the big toe. A wider space between the big toe and second one. An extra ridge of bone along the outside of the foot. A student of mine was surprised when her Dentist asked if she has Native American ancestry. She said yes and he told her that she has "lingual nodes", two bony nodes that protrude from the jaw bone under the tongue. This sparked my interest as I have one, but the dentist told me as a kid that it was a misplaced tooth. Often misunderstood for physical abuse is the Mongolian bruise found on new born children of Native Ancestry. (Also appears in some Asian newborns). In some cases this is described as a blue stain, or a birth mark, in a triangle formation at the base of the spine. It may disappear in time, but is not always the case. In my family we call this the furry triangle, as it has been replaced by a light fuzzy triangle of hair. In addition to the physical attributes mentioned, there are five major diseases that we look for in Native American Family lines. Again everyone knows about the drunken Indian. Alcoholism is due to the lack of an enzyme to convert the alcohol in the bloodstream. Arthritis. It is beginning to appear that Fibromyalgia is also related to Native ancestry. About half of American Indian adults have diabetes; most have type 2 diabetes. Rates vary markedly among tribes. Type 1 diabetes in American Indian and Alaska Native youth is relatively rare; however, recent reports highlight an increasing incidence of type 2 diabetes in children and adolescents. American Indians and Alaska Natives have genetic, medical, and lifestyle risk factors for type 2 diabetes. American Indians and Alaska Natives with diabetes have a high incidence of diabetes complications such as eye and kidney disease, cardiovascular disease, and lower extremity amputations. Cardiovascular disease was the leading cause of death in American Indians, and diabetes is a high contributing risk factor for cardiovascular disease. There is currently much interest in the occurance of Hypo Glycemia - the opposite of Diabetes Low Blood sugar causing women to become Diabetic during pregnancy. Oclesia of the Esphogus - the last muscle in the esphogus becomes to strong and closes off after just a few bites and the person can not swallow any more. People with this can easily starve to death. Ventricula Parastole which is a heart Arrithmaya and is thought to occur only in Delaware (Lanape) ancestry. Heart Disease. Thyroid conditions Hypo and Hyper are often found in those with Native Ancestry. Kidney problems including Kidney stones. There have been many people who found out they are Native American quite by accident. They need a transfusion, or have cancer and are in need of bone marrow transplants, they cannot find a match as there are several antigens in the blood which are hard to match, also indicative of Native American Ancestry. Some of the information concerning Physical Characteristics which can indicate Native Ancestry, first appeared in an article by NAAH Contributing Editor Snowflower "Let's Get Physical". Snowflower is a Shawnee Genealogist familiar with all of the tribes in the Ohio Valley area. Additional scientific and medical information was gleaned from an article in the Family Tree publication of the Ellen Payne Odom Genealogy Library P O Box 1110 Moultrie Ga 31776-1110 Information in the article was credited to T.L.& M. Genealogy published by the Talbot Library and Museum , P. O. Box 349, Colcord OK 74338. The list appears on many websites, some approved and acknowledgd, others we aren't always aware of. The list is also used as one of many fact sheets at the Native American Family History and Cultural Heritage booth at many Pow Wows where we set up to aid people in beginning their genealogical search. The list is updated as we hear from other researchers, though we don't immediately add items unless there is some information corroborating the item as an inidicator. The list also appears in numerouse email lists online when discussions like this come up. Laurie Beth Roman Publisher/Executive Editor Native American Family History & Cultural Heritage Newsletter

    09/02/2006 06:34:19
    1. Ndn Wannabe's
    2. Beth winged foot Golden
    3. Here are links to a few articles that may shed some light on the current topic: http://www.comanchelodge.com/plastic-shamans.html http://www.awakenedwoman.com/cultural_theft.htm http://www.native-languages.org/blood.htm http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1272/is_2662_129/ai_63668130 http://www.freedmen5tribes.com/Myths.htm http://www.manataka.org/page41.html for even more, here's the search link http://www.google.com/custom?q=wannabe+indians&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=ISO-8859-1&safe=active&client=pub-1306838184420887&channel=5316810108&cof=FORID:1%3BL:http://www.hanksville.org/NAresources/images/NAadsense.gif%3BLH:50%3BLW:234%3BGL:1%3BBGC:FFFFFF%3BT:%230066cc%3BLC:%23000000%3BVLC:%23336633%3BALC:%23000000%3BGALT:%230066CC%3BGFNT:%23666666%3BGIMP:%23666666%3BDIV:%23FF9900%3BLBGC:FFFFFF%3BAH:center%3BS:http://www.hanksville.org/NAresources/%3B&start=0&sa=N offered with blessings, Beth

    09/01/2006 11:46:07
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood/Pow Wow Medicine
    2. In a message dated 8/31/2006 3:36:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Just my two cents, which isn't worth much these days.......but remember that Bavarian Germans (very high immigrant population in the area at that time ~ Hessians) are often dark haired and have somewhat darker skin than the Aryan northern European. And if you spend your life in the fields you are definitely going to get brown! This may account for many folks having a somewhat Indian appearance. And in later life you tend to lose some underlying fatty tissue which will cause the cheekbones to be more pronounced. I don't think appearance should be the basis for assumption. Verify the blood line instead. Genie Yes, very true. Some of the Hetricks (my great-grandfather Conrad's brother Martin's descendants from Zeilbach and Hesse Darmstadt, Germany had the high cheekbones as young people. In the case of Bob Brenneman we know that he has Indian blood through Henry's son William. Bob is very adamant about how Henry Bittinger acquired William as a baby--also about how William died. The story varies depending on who you talk to or who gave information for the books that covered this. One thing that struck me was Henry's wife Barbara's age (b. 7/1772) at the time she supposedly gave birth to her last 4 to 5 children. Children of Henry Bittinger (b. 7/14/1778) m. Barbara "Barbary" Bauser (b. 7/1772) 1. Peter Bittinger (b. 7/14/1800) m. Sarah "Sally" durst 2. Catharine Bittinger (b. 3/4/1802). First wife of Casper Durst, Sr. 3. Daniel Bittinger (b. 1/6/1804). Married Phebe Wiland 4. Henry Bittinger, Jr.? (possibly b. 12/4/1805). 5. Joseph "Joe" Bittinger (b. abt 1807). Married Elizabeth Durst 6. a son? (b. bet. 1810 & 1820) 7. George Bittinger (possibly b. bet. 1810 & 1815) 8. & 9. Twins: Jonathan "Jonas" Bittinger and Solomon H. Bittinger (b. 5/14/1814) 10. William H. "Bill" Bittinger (b. 4/24/1817) Barbara was 38 years old in 1810. By 1820 she was 48 and had had 5 more children and the birth information seems very confused. I would think that the first four children were obviously old enough to know if their mother had given birth to these children or not. Also, the oldest children were in their 50's when the last five children started their families. The truth most likely is in the verbal family history and how Bob came to find out about his great grandfather. The three families involved in this Bittinger/Brenneman history includes the Ruckels, Buckels, Bittingers and Brennemans. ***** Bob Brenneman's Line: Henry Bittinger (b. 7/14/1778) m. Barbara "Barbary" Bauser (b. 7/1772) ... William H. "Bill" Bittinger (b. 4/24/1817) m. Agnes Ruckle (b. 1816) ......Alice Bittinger (7/23/1858-4/1/1937) m. Joseph "Joe" Buckle (later Buckel), 11/10/1848-9/27/1920 .........Mary Jane Buckel (10/23/1889-6/14/1973) m. Lloyd Franklin Brenneman ............Robert Owen "Bob" Brenneman (b. 7/30/1918) m. Margaret Hetrick, dau of Oscar and Ruth Faidley Hetrick. Lois Hetrick Stewart

    09/01/2006 10:20:06
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] pattons
    2. Hi Crystal, Found the following in the Bittinger Book: George Platter and first wife Mary's dau Mary M. (b. abt 1844) m. Urias (or Uriah) Patton. Son of Sylvanus "Squire" Butler and first wife, Maryan "Mary" Sloan, John George Washington Butler (Oct 16, 1830-May 20, 1912) m. Sarah "Sally" Patton (Jan 10, 1829-Mar 14, 1908), dau of Robert Patton and Eve Glotfelty. Two Kolbfleisch ladies listed Lavina Catharine, and Hester Catherine. One Margaret Hostettler -- no Grace Maybe this will help some. Lois Hetrick Stewart n a message dated 9/1/2006 5:07:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: hi everyone, I am bring up the topic of the pattons again only because I will be going home this weekend to somerset county, pa. if anyone has any information on the pattons, please let me know. this is what I have so far: Urias Patton (1841/1851 MD - aft 1930 PA) married Mary Platter (b. 16 Jun 1844 MD) on 18 Nov 1871. Mary Platter was previously married to a Jacob Seibert and had two children with him. Urias and Mary had 6 children and lived in the Accident area. The children are Emma, Charles, John, Isabelle, Annie, Mae. John is my great great grandfather. He was born abt 1877 and married Arminta (Minnie) Kolbfleisch (b.abt 1880) of the Cove, MD and supposively she is buried at the Lutheran Church in the Cove. John died before 1920 and rumor has it he was murdered when he was working at the mines. Not really sure which mines though. John and Minnie had seven children all of which was born in MD. The children are as follows: Phenice(sp), Emma, Richard, Curtis, Robert, Bertha, Nellie. Phenice is my great grandfather and he moved to PA to Summit Township where he married Grace Hostetler. Not sure when Minnie died but in 1920 the census showed Emma and Robert living with their Grandmother Elizabeth Kolbfleisch so I have no idea where the other children are or what happened to Minnie. any help on this would be so greatly appreciated. I can't find anything out about Urias if that is even his real name. I am beginning to wonder. all I know is that the census shows his father was born in Pa and mother born in MD. thanks, Crystal

    09/01/2006 02:27:39
    1. pattons
    2. Gallifray
    3. hi everyone, I am bring up the topic of the pattons again only because I will be going home this weekend to somerset county, pa. if anyone has any information on the pattons, please let me know. this is what I have so far: Urias Patton (1841/1851 MD - aft 1930 PA) married Mary Platter (b. 16 Jun 1844 MD) on 18 Nov 1871. Mary Platter was previously married to a Jacob Seibert and had two children with him. Urias and Mary had 6 children and lived in the Accident area. The children are Emma, Charles, John, Isabelle, Annie, Mae. John is my great great grandfather. He was born abt 1877 and married Arminta (Minnie) Kolbfleisch (b.abt 1880) of the Cove, MD and supposively she is buried at the Lutheran Church in the Cove. John died before 1920 and rumor has it he was murdered when he was working at the mines. Not really sure which mines though. John and Minnie had seven children all of which was born in MD. The children are as follows: Phenice(sp), Emma, Richard, Curtis, Robert, Bertha, Nellie. Phenice is my great grandfather and he moved to PA to Summit Township where he married Grace Hostetler. Not sure when Minnie died but in 1920 the census showed Emma and Robert living with their Grandmother Elizabeth Kolbfleisch so I have no idea where the other children are or what happened to Minnie. any help on this would be so greatly appreciated. I can't find anything out about Urias if that is even his real name. I am beginning to wonder. all I know is that the census shows his father was born in Pa and mother born in MD. thanks, Crystal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/31/2006 11:06:26
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood/Pow Wow Medicine
    2. Gallifray
    3. never heard of that about the feet. my toe isn't longer than the big toe and my great grandmama was half.. but my husband who is polish and italian has a longer toe so I don't think it works. --- [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 8/31/2006 4:28:21 P.M. Pacific > Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > OK here's a good one. I heard some where that if > you toe next to your big > toe was longer, you had Indian blood. You know how > those things go around. > > > > > Mine is. ;o) . . . our minister is 1/2 Native > American and I've never seen > his feet but he doesn't go along with this. > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email > the list administrator, Sonny O'Haver, > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

    08/31/2006 08:12:58
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood/Pow Wow Medicine
    2. cbeachy
    3. Back in 1755 General Braddock, with the help of George Washington, built a fort for the soldiers Braddock brought with him from England. It was named Fort Cumberland. Braddock was convinced they did need some Indians to help in the battle with the French at Ft. Duquesne (now Pittsburgh) so a lot of the local Indians joined up. And they brought their families with them. The Indian women were considered very beautiful and the troups took advantage of them right up to the day Braddock sent all the Indian Women back to their old homes (mistake since their homes were where their men were so the men followed them away from Ft. Cumberland.). While reading this I had to wonder just how many new babies were born from this period. If/when you visit the courthouse here, just think about standing on this land where that fort once was. Washington got sick at Little Meadows, just east of what is now Grantsville, and was 3 days late getting to the battlefield near Ft. Duquesne. Most of the soldiers were dead and Braddock was injured and died on the way back to Ft. Cumberland. Connie

    08/31/2006 04:22:31
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood/Pow Wow Medicine
    2. In a message dated 8/31/2006 4:28:21 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: OK here's a good one. I heard some where that if you toe next to your big toe was longer, you had Indian blood. You know how those things go around. Mine is. ;o) . . . our minister is 1/2 Native American and I've never seen his feet but he doesn't go along with this.

    08/31/2006 03:55:46
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Henry Bittinger Family
    2. In a message dated 8/31/2006 3:42:20 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lois: Some of Henry Bittinger's sons may have *married* daughters of Indian descent, but there is nothing in the book I can see to indicate that his *sons* were of Indian descent. The Bittingers were German and the Bausers were Swiss. Sam Hi Sam, Henry and Barbara Bauser's twin sons, Jonathan "Jonas" Bittinger and Solomon H[enry] (fraternal) were born May 14, 1814 and William H. 4/1817 (Bittinger Book p.74. Henry b. 7/14/1778, his wife Barbara "Barbary" Bauser, b. 7/1772 (Bittinger Book p.72 & p. 528). I also noticed while revisiting this information that my Hetrick lineage in Germany includes Philippi's (Philippi's, Momberger's, Burck's, Weiß[Weiss]--also translates to White), and all are connected in the Diehl and Hetrick lineage. The Hetrick lineage is also connected to Weitzel's (Kratz, Weitzel, Schäfer, Schmidt, and Geiß[Geiss]. I saw a Henry Weitzel on the list of citizens that emigrated from Zeilbach. Wasn't able to connect him to the Weitzel's of Meadow Mountain in the New Germany area (i.e., William and first wife, Elizabeth Schmich or Smyth; could also be Schmidt or Smith). My great-grandfather Conrad's mother's line (Anna Katharina Schmidt, b. 1807, an only child (dau of Johannes Caspar Schmidt and Anna Maria Weiss, granddaughter of Anna Catharina Weiss and Johann Conrad Weiss). How about that! ;o) I have about 70 charts I've been putting together over the past nine months. Was going to mail out the 40 pgs of lineage I received from Germany, but couldn't put the line together very well from that. I incorporated most of the information from the 40 pgs (a lot was in German, sigh!) but I left out some of the notes on how they died and their occupations. Having the parents and godparents also of each of the couples helped a great deal to track the line. I will locate the research I did on old Henry Bittinger and the incorporation of Bob Brenneman's family history as it was told to him and send it out separately. Wasn't able to come to any definite conclusions on whether the last three boys (twins and William) were by Barbara -- very suspicious. It appears Henry and his family moved back to Garrett County after these last three were born or at a time (winter) where it would have been difficult to determine whether Barbara actually carried these children. Bob's story adds to that premise ... the census said the twins were born in OH -- lots of questionable hearsay. Lois

    08/31/2006 02:21:53
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Henry Bittinger Family
    2. Margie
    3. OK try this. I heard that you can tell if you had Indian descendancy if your toe next to the big toe was longer. It was supposed to be an Indian trait. I don't know if it is true or not, but a lot of those "old wives tales" had some basis in fact.

    08/31/2006 01:48:09
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood/Pow Wow Medicine
    2. Margie
    3. OK here's a good one. I heard some where that if you toe next to your big toe was longer, you had Indian blood. You know how those things go around. Altho there might be truth in it.

    08/31/2006 12:27:11
    1. Indian Blood/Pow Wow Medicine
    2. GENIE RAGAN
    3. Just my two cents, which isn't worth much these days.......but remember that Bavarian Germans (very high immigrant population in the area at that time ~ Hessians) are often dark haired and have somewhat darker skin than the Aryan northern European. And if you spend your life in the fields you are definitely going to get brown! This may account for many folks having a somewhat Indian appearance. And in later life you tend to lose some underlying fatty tissue which will cause the cheekbones to be more pronounced. I don't think appearance should be the basis for assumption. Verify the blood line instead. Genie Editor by Default www.OurBrickWalls.com<http://www.ourbrickwalls.com/>

    08/31/2006 09:36:02
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Pow Wow medicine
    2. carolyn malcolm
    3. I'll look back and see if I find a connection....I know that at least one of my relatives lived in that vicinity for a while. Carolyn Bobbi Kramer <[email protected]> wrote: Carolyn: My husband's Kramers came from Alsace-Lorraine about 1850 and settled in Pittsburgh, Pa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "carolyn malcolm" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] Pow Wow medicine >I don't know the Stanton line; but I was a Kramer (from >Fairmont/Smithtown,W.Va.). Do you know anything about that line? > > Carolyn Malcolm > > Bobbi Kramer wrote: > Hello: > My main line in Garrett County is Stanton, descending from William Stanton > in Grantsville (Stanton's Mill). Any info on that line appreciated. > With the interesting herbal thread, I though I would ask if anyone has had > any ancestors who were practiced Pow Wow medicine. > Bobbi K > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the > web at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html > > > > > --------------------------------- > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done > faster. > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list > administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected] > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected] --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

    08/31/2006 04:09:25
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Pow Wow medicine
    2. Walt Warnick
    3. Inter-racial relations between the Indians and those of European descent were very strained in colonial America and in the early years of the U. S. The level of hostility between the races was much more intense than inter-racial relationships we have experienced in our lifetimes here in the U. S. Regarding western Maryland, for example, in 1763, the Maryland legislator paid a bounty for the scalp of an Indian killed along Georges Creek. Meshach Browning's book (written in 1859) recounts western Maryland settlers' intense fear of the Indians around the late 1700s. Incidences where an Indian and a person of European descent produced offspring occurred, but were rare. Most credible are contemporaneous accounts regarding specifically identified individuals. Walt ------------------------- Sam Bowser wrote: > Hi Lois: > > Some of Henry Bittinger's sons may have *married* daughters of Indian > descent, > but there is nothing in the book I can see to indicate that his *sons* > were > of Indian descent. The Bittingers were German and the Bausers were > Swiss. > > Sam > > ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:59 PM > Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] Pow Wow medicine > > >> >> Hi Sam, >> >> I didn't mean that Henry had Indian Blood, but it appears his sons >> did. In the front of the Bittinger Book, page 73 (Jonathan Bittinger) >> 75 (Solomon P. Bittinger). I did an extensive study on Henry last >> year. My cousin Bob Brenneman descends from William H. "Bill" >> Bittinger (Henry's last child). Bill married Agnes Ruckle (Bob >> Brenneman)--Bob Brenneman's great grandparents. >> Lois >> >> In a message dated 8/30/2006 4:09:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> Hi Lois: >> >> I don't know about the Bittinger's having Indian blood. Don't know >> where >> it would have come in if they did. >> >> Henry Bittinger was born July 14, 1778. He married Barbara Bauser >> about 1799. She was born in July of 1772, so was about 6 years older >> than Henry. The Bauser's (later Bowsers) lived directly across the road >> from the Bittingers about 1 1/2 miles northeast of Meyersdale in >> Somerset >> County, PA.. The Bowsers were of Swiss origin. >> >> So Henry Bittinger was about 22 years of age when he married Barbara >> about 1799. >> >> Wayne Bittinger's book, page 15, places Henry in Somerset County in >> 1798 as a member of a local militia under his father's command. This >> was >> probably the period and shortly before when he was involved in >> skirmishes >> with the Indians in Ohio. >> >> In 1799, 1800, 1801, 1802, 1804, and 1806 they were living in >> Somerset County. >> >> Sam >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== >> Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on >> the web at: >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html >> > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list > administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected] > >

    08/31/2006 01:11:37
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood
    2. K.Fitzgerald
    3. Hi there, I have a copy of "Indian Blood", by Evelyn Guard Olsen. Those running out to the library or searching EBay for a copy of "Indian Blood" will be very disappointed if they think it's some sort of reference book for Garrett county families who have "Indian bloodlines". It is primarily about the FRIEND family and some of their collateral families in Garret county. I'm afraid the title is a bit misleading as the book is not about native Americans who married into this family or any other early Garret Co. family. . Rather the catchy title simply refers to how some in this particular family have long thought they MAY have had an Indian ancestor who married into the family because some descendants have certain "Indian-like" physical and or personal traits, such as a love of nature. The book only briefly explores the possibility that the FRIENDs MIGHT have had some Indian blood. in chapter 2. Example: "..The name of the first village mother, Karrenhappuck, has been considered Indian..." . Actually the name comes from the Bible. She and her two sisters, Jemima and Keziah, were named after the three daughters of Job, "born after his affliction". (Job 42: 13-15). "....13. He had also seven sons and three daughters. .....14. And he called the name of the first, Jemima; and the name of the second Keziah; and the name of the third, Kerenhappuch. .....15. And in all the land were no women found so fair as the daughters of Job: and their father gave them inheritance among their brethren...." . The sisters are believed to be the daughters of the German settler Joist Hite. . The book goes on to say that another possibility was Anna (Coleman) Friend: "...the heritage of Indian blood is romantically fancied to have come into the family through Anna Coleman, who married an early John Friend back in the eighteenth century..." . Unfortunately, no one even knows if Anna's mother was actually native American. All that is known is that at one point in time her father MIGHT have lived among the Indians for several years while hiding from the Dutch & English. No one knows for sure that he did or if Anna was even born during this time. . Some even attribute the fact that these early families found their "fulfillment in the wilds" as possibly being due to having "Indian Blood". Of course today, those of us who did not sleep through their World and/or American History classes in High School know that during the 17th,18th & 19th centuries millions of immigrates (who'd never seen a native American before) came to North America and "went forth" to find their "fulfillment in the wilds". They were called "pioneers" & that's what pioneers do. They go into the "wilds" to settle and be fulfilled.{;o) . As for the"Indian-like" physical traits popping up in otherwise "fair-skinned" families; families with no "connections to any dark skinned mediterreneans"..... Well, it seems to me that European counties have never really been "culturally or even racially pure". Folks like Alexander the Great, Napoleon Bonaparte, Julius Caesar, etc. saw to that. A good percentage of their armies never "went home" after the invasions. Aside from those who were killed, of course, there were always those who were left behind to ride herd on the locals. They didn't get mail order brides from home, they married locals or otherwise contributed to the local gene pool. One only has to study the old paintings of northern European countries to see that the "local folks" weren't all "fair-skinned and blonde". For that matter, one has only to study the early photos of north European immigrants to see that they weren't all "fair-skinned and blonde". My husband and my own immigrant ancestors came from England, Ireland and Germany. Some were fair, some were dark, some were combinations of both."types". ... As I understand it, the reason the author's family will not allow reprints is supposed to be because Evelyn was planning to rewrite the book. Supposedly she wanted to correct the mistakes contained in it but died before she could. Her family probably just doesn't want more copies of those mistakes circulating any more then Evelyn did. . Bye for now, Kathleen .> [Original Message] > Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood > > You know, there's a book called Indian Blood, long out of print. It's > about Garrett County people, especially those who had some Indian Blood. > The author of this book is deceased. Her family will not allow any reprints > of the book.

    08/31/2006 01:01:45
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Pow Wow medicine
    2. Sam Bowser
    3. Hi Lois: Some of Henry Bittinger's sons may have *married* daughters of Indian descent, but there is nothing in the book I can see to indicate that his *sons* were of Indian descent. The Bittingers were German and the Bausers were Swiss. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] Pow Wow medicine > > Hi Sam, > > I didn't mean that Henry had Indian Blood, but it appears his sons did. In > the front of the Bittinger Book, page 73 (Jonathan Bittinger) 75 (Solomon P. > Bittinger). I did an extensive study on Henry last year. My cousin Bob > Brenneman descends from William H. "Bill" Bittinger (Henry's last child). Bill > married Agnes Ruckle (Bob Brenneman)--Bob Brenneman's great grandparents. > > Lois > > In a message dated 8/30/2006 4:09:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hi Lois: > > I don't know about the Bittinger's having Indian blood. Don't know where > it would have come in if they did. > > Henry Bittinger was born July 14, 1778. He married Barbara Bauser > about 1799. She was born in July of 1772, so was about 6 years older > than Henry. The Bauser's (later Bowsers) lived directly across the road > from the Bittingers about 1 1/2 miles northeast of Meyersdale in Somerset > County, PA.. The Bowsers were of Swiss origin. > > So Henry Bittinger was about 22 years of age when he married Barbara > about 1799. > > Wayne Bittinger's book, page 15, places Henry in Somerset County in > 1798 as a member of a local militia under his father's command. This was > probably the period and shortly before when he was involved in skirmishes > with the Indians in Ohio. > > In 1799, 1800, 1801, 1802, 1804, and 1806 they were living in Somerset > County. > > Sam > > > > > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the web at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html >

    08/31/2006 12:41:09
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood
    2. Branches & Lil' Twigs
    3. A copy can be requested and viewed from your local Family History Center Title Indian blood Stmnt.Resp. by Evelyn Guard Olsen Authors Olsen, Evelyn Guard (Main Author) Notes Contains history of Fayette and Somerset counties, Pennsylvania and Garrett County, Maryland with brief history of dealings with Indians. Subjects Maryland, Garrett - History Pennsylvania, Fayette - History Pennsylvania, Somerset - History Pennsylvania, Somerset - Native races Pennsylvania, Fayette - Native races Maryland, Garrett - Native races Indians of North America - Pennsylvania Indians of North America - Maryland Copies Call Number - Location 975.297 H2o - FHL US/CAN Book - Available Format Books/Monographs Language English Publication Parsons, West Virginia : McClain Print. Co., [c1967] Physical 253 p. : ill., maps, ports. Subject Class 975.297 H2 Film Notes Note - Location [Film] No film notes for this title. © 2002 Intellectual Reserve, Inc. All rights reserved.

    08/30/2006 10:38:02
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood
    2. Beth winged foot Golden
    3. Wonderfully written, Todd. It is also the untold story of many of our ancestors in other areas besides the Appalachian Mountains. I am so glad that alot of us our reclaiming our ancestries! I believe that my mother (b. in Oakland, 1926) has native american blood in her lines (TURNEYand/or LITTLE), and I know that my father has cherokee (GA) in his and even possibly Abenaki. I am proud to walk the red road. Beth ----- Original Message ---- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 6:27:13 PM Subject: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood In my family (Descended from Joseph Warnick) there were always stories of Indian blood but no one could prove it. One has to remember that until recently anyone who was less than white was considered a non person and so the descendents of the original east coast Indians married into white families and assimilated to rise in social class and acceptence. I believe that about 90% of the old families which reach back to the 18th century have Indian blood. Not all of the tribes moved west or died out but many married into white families. THey often took very common English names so you can't trace them by the names and the fact that they were Indian or halfbreed was covered up. There was even a movement to call people with darker skin a free person of color and with that deny them the right to vote. THis is the untold story of a large population of the Appalachian Mountain people. I can remember kids that I grew up with who had no connections to any dark skinned mediterreneans who had dark hair and dark eyes but very English sounding names and that was in PA just over the WV line in Greene Co. I am sure that they must have had Indian blood in their make up. Todd ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the web at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html

    08/30/2006 08:01:19
    1. Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood
    2. Beth winged foot Golden
    3. oh that is too bad. boy, would I love to read it! What is its exact title and author? Maybe an out of print copy can be found. ----- Original Message ---- From: cbeachy <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:24:01 PM Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood You know, there's a book called Indian Blood, long out of print. It's about Garrett County people, especially those who had some Indian Blood. The author of this book is deceased. Her family will not allow any reprints of the book. Connie ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the web at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html

    08/30/2006 07:18:32