Hi Jan: Good to hear from you again. I'm pretty sure Ferne also told us once that she had Indian ancestry, but it was quite a while back and I don't think she went into any detail. The Buckle side was German, so it would have been on the Wiley side. Her grandfather on the Wiley side was Thomas Benton Wiley, son of Holmes Wiley. Thomas Wiley was married twice. According to "Hoye", page 566 his first wife was Isabelle Lohr. The Bittinger Book page 662 gives her name as "Savilla" Lohr. Thomas Wiley's children were all by 2nd wife Lydia Winterburg. "Hoye", page 566 says "Holmes Wiley married (1) Elizabeth, daughter of Peter Yeast of Chestnut Ridge." Ten children including Thomas are listed for this marriage; there is no mention of the second wife, if there was one. "Yeast" (same as Yaste?) sounds German, so without getting details from Ferne, I don't know where her Indian ancestry would have come in, unless it would have been from the story of William H. Bittinger being an Indian child brought back from Ohio, which seems unlikely to me. Just judging from Ferne's appearance in her earlier years, there wasn't any reason to question her further about it. Sam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl and Jan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 8:31 PM Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] Indian Blood/Pow Wow Medicine > Sam, Ferne Buckel Beachy also told me her (great?) grandmother was a full-blooded Indian from West Virginia. > > Lois, I have Book III on the Descendants of Michael Beeghly and Barro Inken. Actually, the Amish in early Eastern > Pennsylvania typically adopted Native American children. According to their religion, they sought to raise Native > American children in their Christian faith, converting them as the Great Commission dictates in the Bible. > > Is anyone on this list attending the Pennsylvania Genealogical Conference Sept 29-30 in Pittsburgh? > > Jan Hess > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the web at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html >

Nickole: Sometimes you can do genealogy of our mountain people almost as well in Akron as in the mountains - as I did in Mogadore. I was surprised how many Prestonians lived within a couple of blocks. Janice > In a message dated 9/5/2006 6:22:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > I need to take a trip back and stay a month or two--so many things to see. > I > never lived in the area of our ancestors--grew up in Akron, OH. I loved the > farm country, the animals and even the smells. Some of the cousins just > don't > understand what all the fuss is about--some think computers are evil, but > when I arrive with photo calendars, totes and T-shirts with our ancestors > screen printed on them (created by my computer), it's a whole new ballgame. > :o) > > > I live near Akron,OH now. I grew up in Northern VA and moved to OH in Feb > 1994. Imagine my surprise when I started doing research and found > out my great > Aunt lived in Akron!! Sadly I started doing research about 2 years too late. > She had 4 children and only 1 Grandchild. All but the Grandchild is > deceased.(and he's elderly) > > Nickole > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list > administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected] > >

Hi Lois, If it's not much trouble, I'd like a copy of your Diehl work! I'm from the Balthasar line. Several of us did a lot of research several years ago on that family. Traced them back to Zeilbach. I'll compare your stuff to ours and see if I can add to ours!! By the way, I FINALLY found my GGGrandfather, John RIES, in Germany. Now if I can only find my Irish Caltholics in Ireland!!! Take care Pat -------------- Original message -------------- From: [email protected] > > Hi Eileen, > > Great to see your response. I've printed this information out and just might > look into it some day. So fascinating. > > Still putting the Diehl and Hederich (Deal/Hetrick) charts together--have > about 70 of them. I'm getting anxious to finish these up so I can send them out > to the cousins--Just wish the cousins in Garrett County were computer > literate--Maybe I'll send one hard copy and a CD ;o) That way they could make > as > many copies as they want. Very expensive to snail mail--I usually mail out > 15-20 packages. > > Every time I run across that Zeilbach information I think of you and Shirley > and how much help the two of you were in getting me to the source in Germany > that had all of our lineage. Thanks again so much. > > Lois > > > In a message dated 9/5/2006 8:18:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Good morning, > > I have been watching this interesting discussion on native American ancestry > and thought I'd mention that if descendants of the native American person in > question are living, some pretty advanced DNA testing is available that will > show the percentage of probability of an "Indian" connection. Although the > cost can be pricey it would certainly lay to rest some of the speculation. > The following URL is an informative website on the subject: > > http://www.genetealogy.com/ > > I am in no way connected with this website and there are others available if > you do a browser search. > > Best regards...Eileen > > > > > > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > Looking for your Garrett County ancestors? Make sure to visit us on the web at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdgarret/index.html >

I think we have it nailed down now for sure! Lois In a message dated 9/5/2006 7:16:06 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I-68 ends/begins at I-79 at the southwest edge of Morgantown. I-68 goes from /to Hancock, Maryland to/from Morgantown, WV. I-79 runs north and south and probably from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico. I for Interstate. Leon

The Stark family were big property owners in Summit County. I believe they are connected to one of the large malls there. I wonder where the name "Stark" county came from? Lois In a message dated 9/5/2006 6:53:28 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: We found a lot of information in the Canton Ohio library on Virginia and West Virginia. We found that there are alot of people in the Stark and Summit Co. area with WV and MD roots. We did eventually go visit in the mountains of WV VA and MD and got a lot of information there. We even found a book about the Schoenbrun and Gnadenhutten Ohio Indian settlements located in Warm Springs VA. Who would of thought that we would find a book from home there. :-)

Okay Pat, I'll email you a copy when I'm finished. Where in Germany did John RIES live? Lois In a message dated 9/5/2006 6:11:48 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hi Lois, If it's not much trouble, I'd like a copy of your Diehl work! I'm from the Balthasar line. Several of us did a lot of research several years ago on that family. Traced them back to Zeilbach. I'll compare your stuff to ours and see if I can add to ours!! By the way, I FINALLY found my GGGrandfather, John RIES, in Germany. Now if I can only find my Irish Caltholics in Ireland!!! Take care Pat

Jan, Thanks for your response. I have a family surname that was given to me--but it would serve no purpose to include it at this point, as no real proof except hearsay anyway. Beulah Miller has two of the three books. I will ask her which one she is missing. Lois In a message dated 9/5/2006 5:40:46 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Sam, Ferne Buckel Beachy also told me her (great?) grandmother was a full-blooded Indian from West Virginia. Lois, I have Book III on the Descendants of Michael Beeghly and Barro Inken. Actually, the Amish in early Eastern Pennsylvania typically adopted Native American children. According to their religion, they sought to raise Native American children in their Christian faith, converting them as the Great Commission dictates in the Bible. Is anyone on this list attending the Pennsylvania Genealogical Conference Sept 29-30 in Pittsburgh? Jan Hess

I actually lived in Canton. A few blocks from the main library. The ladies in the genealogy dept there are awesome!!!! I could NEVER have gotten this far without them. They were invaluable and taught me a lot. I now live in Seville Oh and there is a Friendsville Road here too. I'd love to find out WHy its named that. Nickole Friend Baldwin In a message dated 9/5/2006 9:53:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: We found a lot of information in the Canton Ohio library on Virginia and West Virginia. We found that there are alot of people in the Stark and Summit Co. area with WV and MD roots. We did eventually go visit in the mountains of WV VA and MD and got a lot of information there. We even found a book about the Schoenbrun and Gnadenhutten Ohio Indian settlements located in Warm Springs VA. Who would of thought that we would find a book from home there. :-) "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Nickole: Sometimes you can do genealogy of our mountain people almost as well in Akron as in the mountains - as I did in Mogadore. I was surprised how many Prestonians lived within a couple of blocks.

I-68 ends/begins at I-79 at the southwest edge of Morgantown. I-68 goes from /to Hancock, Maryland to/from Morgantown, WV. I-79 runs north and south and probably from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico. I for Interstate. Leon ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [MDGARRET] The Henry Bittinger Study--Coopers Rock | | Hi Connie, | | I guess I'm going to have to clean up my act. When I lived in Ohio, I must | have gotten into a rut calling everything a "route." Hmmmmm. Mayber there | weren't too many Interstates then. Soooo, you caught me--It's I-68. | | Got your attention though huh. | | Lois | | In a message dated 9/5/2006 12:21:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, | [email protected] writes: | | Are we talking about I-68, the freeway, or is there really a Rt. 68? I-68 | ends in Morgantown, WV. | Connie | | ______________________________

Sam, Ferne Buckel Beachy also told me her (great?) grandmother was a full-blooded Indian from West Virginia. Lois, I have Book III on the Descendants of Michael Beeghly and Barro Inken. Actually, the Amish in early Eastern Pennsylvania typically adopted Native American children. According to their religion, they sought to raise Native American children in their Christian faith, converting them as the Great Commission dictates in the Bible. Is anyone on this list attending the Pennsylvania Genealogical Conference Sept 29-30 in Pittsburgh? Jan Hess

Nickole, What surnames are you researching? Bittingers? and ? Lois In a message dated 9/5/2006 4:44:10 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I live near Akron,OH now. I grew up in Northern VA and moved to OH in Feb 1994. Imagine my surprise when I started doing research and found out my great Aunt lived in Akron!! Sadly I started doing research about 2 years too late. She had 4 children and only 1 Grandchild. All but the Grandchild is deceased.(and he's elderly) Nickole

Hi Connie, I guess I'm going to have to clean up my act. When I lived in Ohio, I must have gotten into a rut calling everything a "route." Hmmmmm. Mayber there weren't too many Interstates then. Soooo, you caught me--It's I-68. Got your attention though huh. Lois In a message dated 9/5/2006 12:21:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Are we talking about I-68, the freeway, or is there really a Rt. 68? I-68 ends in Morgantown, WV. Connie

In a message dated 9/5/2006 6:22:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I need to take a trip back and stay a month or two--so many things to see. I never lived in the area of our ancestors--grew up in Akron, OH. I loved the farm country, the animals and even the smells. Some of the cousins just don't understand what all the fuss is about--some think computers are evil, but when I arrive with photo calendars, totes and T-shirts with our ancestors screen printed on them (created by my computer), it's a whole new ballgame. :o) I live near Akron,OH now. I grew up in Northern VA and moved to OH in Feb 1994. Imagine my surprise when I started doing research and found out my great Aunt lived in Akron!! Sadly I started doing research about 2 years too late. She had 4 children and only 1 Grandchild. All but the Grandchild is deceased.(and he's elderly) Nickole

Hi Eileen, Great to see your response. I've printed this information out and just might look into it some day. So fascinating. Still putting the Diehl and Hederich (Deal/Hetrick) charts together--have about 70 of them. I'm getting anxious to finish these up so I can send them out to the cousins--Just wish the cousins in Garrett County were computer literate--Maybe I'll send one hard copy and a CD ;o) That way they could make as many copies as they want. Very expensive to snail mail--I usually mail out 15-20 packages. Every time I run across that Zeilbach information I think of you and Shirley and how much help the two of you were in getting me to the source in Germany that had all of our lineage. Thanks again so much. Lois In a message dated 9/5/2006 8:18:34 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Good morning, I have been watching this interesting discussion on native American ancestry and thought I'd mention that if descendants of the native American person in question are living, some pretty advanced DNA testing is available that will show the percentage of probability of an "Indian" connection. Although the cost can be pricey it would certainly lay to rest some of the speculation. The following URL is an informative website on the subject: http://www.genetealogy.com/ I am in no way connected with this website and there are others available if you do a browser search. Best regards...Eileen

We found a lot of information in the Canton Ohio library on Virginia and West Virginia. We found that there are alot of people in the Stark and Summit Co. area with WV and MD roots. We did eventually go visit in the mountains of WV VA and MD and got a lot of information there. We even found a book about the Schoenbrun and Gnadenhutten Ohio Indian settlements located in Warm Springs VA. Who would of thought that we would find a book from home there. :-) "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: Nickole: Sometimes you can do genealogy of our mountain people almost as well in Akron as in the mountains - as I did in Mogadore. I was surprised how many Prestonians lived within a couple of blocks. Janice > In a message dated 9/5/2006 6:22:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] > writes: > > I need to take a trip back and stay a month or two--so many things to see. > I > never lived in the area of our ancestors--grew up in Akron, OH. I loved the > farm country, the animals and even the smells. Some of the cousins just > don't > understand what all the fuss is about--some think computers are evil, but > when I arrive with photo calendars, totes and T-shirts with our ancestors > screen printed on them (created by my computer), it's a whole new ballgame. > :o) > > > I live near Akron,OH now. I grew up in Northern VA and moved to OH in Feb > 1994. Imagine my surprise when I started doing research and found > out my great > Aunt lived in Akron!! Sadly I started doing research about 2 years too late. > She had 4 children and only 1 Grandchild. All but the Grandchild is > deceased.(and he's elderly) > > Nickole > > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== > If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list > administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected] > > ==== MDGARRET Mailing List ==== If you need help with this list, make sure to email the list administrator, Sonny O'Haver, [email protected]

In a message dated 9/5/2006 5:39:04 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Just a small correction John "Lightfoot" Durst died in 1840 ( the previous message had 1812) he served in the War Of 1812. Thanks for the correction--I should have checked my photos before writing this. He is buried ( not a private cemetery) in the Old Hill Cemetery in Salisbury, Somerset Co., Pa. My relatives referred to it as the old briar patch. I was shocked to see it so well groomed when we went there in 2003. His father, Casper Durst, Rev.War Soldier , is also buried there with a field stone marking his grave site as C X D, 1839. Really? I don't think I saw that when I was there. Course it was foggy and early morning when we arrived there on our way out of town. I did get a picture of a field stone as I recall. If anyone is interested I am attempting to verify his Rev.War service to have a marker placed on his grave. I need any Rev.War documentation that the D.A.R. may have accepted. There is a marker on the grave site of John Lightfoot Durst that was erected in the 1960's honoring his military service. I see. It was decorated when we arrived at the cemetery. I have the 1966 Ross Durst lineage. Have many Durst relatives. But I don't know anything more beyond that information. I suspect that John Lightfoot Durst carries his mother's maiden name as his middle name--some feel that's a Native American name. Any information on his maternal grandparents? Lois

Todd . . . I would really love to visit there. Thanks for the interest and responses. Lois In a message dated 9/5/2006 5:34:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Lois, I only know this because we had many many family picnics at Cooper's rock when I was growing up. I have great fond memories of looking out over the incredible beauty of the Cheat river valley. Todd

I need to take a trip back and stay a month or two--so many things to see. I never lived in the area of our ancestors--grew up in Akron, OH. I loved the farm country, the animals and even the smells. Some of the cousins just don't understand what all the fuss is about--some think computers are evil, but when I arrive with photo calendars, totes and T-shirts with our ancestors screen printed on them (created by my computer), it's a whole new ballgame. :o) n a message dated 9/5/2006 12:04:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Coopers Rocks is actually in Monongalia County. The main entrance off Interstate 68 is in Preston but the Rocks/overlook area is in Monongalia County. East of Morgantown. Quite a awesome sight.

Are we talking about I-68, the freeway, or is there really a Rt. 68? I-68 ends in Morgantown, WV. Connie > Okay, I saw Coopers Rock (didn't see the words State Forest written beneath > it); however Rt 40 does turn into Rt 68 at Keyser's Ridge (I missed that). > Morgantown looks like it's southeast of Rt 68. Rt 68 intersects with Rt 70 west > of Morgantown--at least that's the way it looks to me.

Sam Bowser doesn't want to hear this because he likes the story! Barro Inken is a speculation and unproven. My g-grandmother was a Beeghley/Buchele/Beechly/etc and I have a lot Beeghleys on my tree. Never having seen any proof of Barro's existence, I believe that the Native American woman never existed and that Barbara was the first wife. Bettie -----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] >Sent: Sep 5, 2006 12:00 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: MDGARRET-D Digest V06 #203 > Bettie