Dick, Thank You for checking your files and also the website url's. They are both still current. My ENGLE/MEASEL line does not seem to fit into either family. Jane Kingery <folkerth1@sbcglobal.net> wrote: JOHN BARRETT & JANE KINGERY I checked my database for the names you mentioned and found no matches. But I know of two Engle websites, dealing with different Engle families in America. The descriptions below are taken from the websites. If you like you can follow the links on each site to contact the creators and try to establish a connection with your families. My Engle line appears to connect with the Engles collected in the second site. I hope the URLs are current ... DICK FOLKERTH #1     www.englefamily.net An Engle Family website has been established to explore the history of the family of Ulrich Engel (b.1711) and Anna Brächbühl Engel (b.1715), who immigrated from the Bishopric of Basel, Switzerland, to Donegal Township, Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, in 1754 as part of William Penn's experiment in religious freedom. Ulrich Engel's son, Jacob Engel (b.1754), along with his brother Hans (b.1745), were among the founding fathers of the River Brethren movement, which combined elements of pietism with Anabaptism. It survives today as three separate denominations -- the Old Order River Brethren, United Zion's Children, and the Brethren in Christ. #2     Then, on the other hand, there is www.engle-family.org This site covers the Engels family history in Solingen Germany from Caspar Engels I in 1646 until the family immigrated to France in 1730 at the inducement of the French government because of their skills in forging metal. They were members of the Reformed Protestant Church. The site also includes the two brothers and one sister who immigrated to America in 1754 and their descendants. The brothers Peter Engels, Sr., and Johann Peter, Sr., along with their sister Maria Catharina Dellenbach and their families arrived on two separate ships in Philadelphia in the Fall of 1754. A third brother Clemens, remained in Alsace Province as a cutler.