yes ... i had it on the wrong side of the river.. how many times does that happen in one life-time anyway.. thanks to all.. jack barrett sent me a link to a kreutz creek family history of the williards which a diminutive but loved family member has deleted for me but it can be found by a google on kreutz creek... and then it appears as "williard family" really great stuff.. here are Caspar and Theobalt Williard... and my Peter W. this group is becoming even more interesting than mere family.. The Antonious of the "Friendship " crossing w/ Peter in `1744 does not appear ??? and for Williard researchers the mystery deepens with the announcement of the baptism by Rev. Hoch of a son, Caspar, to Peter in 1733... eleven years before i have him here in America.. it seems as though like many others Peter returned to Germany for a visit or business, and returned again in 1744?? or is this old- hat and only news to me... a note also suggested that Caspar's wife was a Klein... do any of the Klein researchers have a definite answer to that ??? jay cline --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.