Marianne, can I ask where you located your map? I'm from Bryantown and haven't been able to find any old maps online. We don't get back home very often, so doing research into land records has been minimal so far for me. Boarman's Manor encompassed so very much land; during the little research I've done back there, it seems practically everyone in that area originated from Boarman's Manor. Thank you so much for sharing! Mur in Colorado -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 8:07 PM Subject: [MDCHARLE] Dividing Run I just located a map of Zachiah Swamp on Boarmans Manor. Dividing Run was a tract near there. This land is near the present town of Bryantown, Maryland. Thought I would share this info in case anyone else might have the same questions. Marianne Dillow ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

I just located a map of Zachiah Swamp on Boarmans Manor. Dividing Run was a tract near there. This land is near the present town of Bryantown, Maryland. Thought I would share this info in case anyone else might have the same questions. Marianne Dillow

Thank you for generously sharing your genealogy research. I would never have found this information on my own. Pat Moran </HTML>

William Hardy died 1718 in Charles County . He had land on "Dividing Run" east of Zachiah Swamp. It was part of Boarman's Manor. He left his land to his children in his will. I have googled trying to find a map of this property to no avail. Can anyone tell me if there are maps or descriptions of that property ?? Thank You, Marianne Dillow

These are some items in the probate records, land records and misc. that may bear on Martha Hardy who married James ?Cohow. Could be they had sons James, William and Roger. p. 166, Charles County Land Records, Volume III Liber H#2, page 253 5 Jun 1719; James ?Cehee registers cattle mark Levin Covington 10.451 A PG £416.18.3 Aug 26 1730 Received from: <snip>, James Cohoe. Executrix: Mrs. Margery Covington (widow). Thomas Thomas 14.67 A CH £85.17.4 £25.15.8 Oct 22 1735 Received from: Ignatius Hagan, Aaron Orme, Edward Bezwell, ****estate of James Cohoe****, Thomas Hayes, Aaron Orm. Payments to: Thomas Coleman, Patrick Sim, Basil Waring, William Middleton, Owen Ellis, Benjamin Tasker £ Daniel Dulany, Esq., Samuel Hanson. Executrix: Elisabeth Thomas. Maryland Genealogical Society Bulletin; Fall 1992 Vol 33 No 4; CHARLES COUNTY DEPOSITIONS, A-G; by Robert W. Barnes. COHOE, James, age 78, 9 Jan. 1743/4; CHLR 39: 1741-1743:700. (This could be his age read wrong and should be 28) Vincent Askin 23.80 A CH £1016.12.7 £1899.4.0 Nov 5 1746 Sureties: Philip Edlin, Holland Middleton. Received from:<snip>, William Cohoe, Roger Cohoe. Executors: James Middleton, Ignatius Gardner. Vincent Askin 24.277 A CH £899.17.4 Jan 4 1747/48 Sureties: Philip Edlen, Holland Middleton. Received from: <snip>, Roger Cohoe, William Cohoe. Executors: James Middleton, Ignatious Gardner. 1777 Tax list, Montgomery County, MD William Cahowe, 1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne dillow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 7:52 AM Subject: [MDCHARLE] IGNATIUS and JOHN HARDY > Thanks to Mary Jo Pundt and Norma Lundgren for answering my query and > providing me with information on Ignatius and John Hardy. > > Marianne Dillow > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to Mary Jo Pundt and Norma Lundgren for answering my query and providing me with information on Ignatius and John Hardy. Marianne Dillow

Can you tell me more about Francis Wheatly and James Cohow? Parents? BMD? I have that John (1712-1756) married Barbara Henry, widow of James Moore/Morley, and d/o John Henry and Isabell Magruder. John Hardy died bef 20 Mary 1756 in Frederick County, MD. John Henry died bef 26 Jun 1739 in Prince George's County, Isabell was the d/o James and Tidua Magruder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne dillow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:10 PM Subject: [MDCHARLE] IGNATIUS and JOHN HARDY > William Hardy came to Maryland and lived on Dividing Run east of Zachiah Swamp > and his will was in 1718. > > His children were : > > (1) George married Elizabeth Droyen (Drane ??) > (2) William maried Ann Stimson > (3) Mary married Francis Wheatley > (4) Martha married James Cohow > (5) Elizabeth > (6) Ignatius married Rebecca Holden > (7) John > > Would anyone on the list have any information on Ignatius and John Hardy ? > I can find very little on either one. > > Thank You, > Marianne Dillow > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

William Hardy came to Maryland and lived on Dividing Run east of Zachiah Swamp and his will was in 1718. His children were : (1) George married Elizabeth Droyen (Drane ??) (2) William maried Ann Stimson (3) Mary married Francis Wheatley (4) Martha married James Cohow (5) Elizabeth (6) Ignatius married Rebecca Holden (7) John Would anyone on the list have any information on Ignatius and John Hardy ? I can find very little on either one. Thank You, Marianne Dillow

John, Thank you so much for the information on tithables. It was very informative and I learned a few things. I appreciate your efforts . Thank You very much, Marianne Dillow Note: forwarded message attached.

I followed up on Fredric Saunders input and copied that Virginia law and am enclosing it FYI. While doing that I also found an article in the genfiles that was enlightening about how to interpret the Tithable Lists. That is included here too. Bob's Genealogy Filing Cabinet II [Note: See the web site, www.genfiles.com/legal/Tithables.htm, for a full listing of slight variations in use over the years.] Implied information on tithable lists (specifically in Virginia & North Carolina): Keep in mind that tithables lists do not enumerate physical households in the sense of later censuses. They merely enumerate each person responsible for paying the tax along with the number of “heads” for whom they were the responsible taxpayer. Two individuals living in the same house, each an individual taxpayer, would probably be listed independently. When there are multiple names, the first name is that of the “master or mistress of a family” (the person responsible for the tax), followed by the names or number of the taxable members of the household for whom that person would pay the tax. In the 18th century this was males over 16 (children, overseers, apprentices, servants, and slaves), and non-white, enslaved or indentured women over sixteen. A free male 21 or over in the household was legally responsible for his own tax, and thus should be listed separately - although we can’t be certain that this was always the case. As early as 1644, “master of a household” was defined as meaning the person in “command” of the farm or plantation. When a male appears as an independent tithable, it is reasonable to assume that they were of age. A separate appearance on the tax list indicates tax responsibility, which was assumed only upon reaching majority. This does not indicate that the person was maintaining a separate physical household. In the case of males between 16 and 21, their parents, guardians, or masters (in the case of apprentices or servants) were responsible for the tax. The age of persons on the list was calculated as of 9 June of the same year. This can be a very valuable genealogical clue, since the first appearance as a tithable implies the last date on which the person could have turned 16. In the case of disputes over age, the county or vestry courts adjudicated. Apprentices typically were taxed as members of their master’s household, that being a typical provision of an apprentice’s indenture. Although free white women were never tithables themselves, a widow or spinster can appear on a tithables list as head of a household if they were responsible for taxes on male children, servants, or slaves. The sequence in which names appear on a list is not significant, for the list was self-reported by the taxed persons themselves, rather than by a door-to-door assessment such as was done for later censuses. That is, we can’t draw any conclusions about neighbors from the tithables lists. The precinct in which names appear only identifies the general geography in which they lived. It is reasonably safe to infer that male children appearing in a household, regardless of age, are unmarried, for they would otherwise be responsible for their own tax as “master of a family”. Religion was not a factor – all persons were responsible for the support of the parish regardless of their own religious affiliation. Nor was nationality a factor. LAWS OF VIRGINIA, OCTOBER 1748−−22d GEORGE II. CHAP. XXI. An Act concerning Tithables I. BE it enacted, by the Lieutenant-Governor, Council and Burgesses of this present General Assembly, and it is hereby enacted, by the authority of the same, That all male persons of the age of sixteen years and upwards, and all negroe, mulatto, and Indian women of the same age, except Indians tributary to this government, and all wives of free negroes, mulattos, and Indians, except as before excepted, shall be and are hereby declared to be tithable, and chargeable for defraying the public, county, and parish levies, of this colony and dominion, excepting such only as the county courts, for charitable reasons appearing to them, shall think fit to excuse. II. Provided always, That nothing herein contained shall be construed to extend to the governor, or commander in chief of this colony, for the time being, and his domestick servants; or to the president, masters, scholars, and domestick servants, of the college of William and Mary; or to the person of any beneficed minister within this colony; or to the person of any constable, so long as he continues in his office; so as to charge them, or any of them, as tithables within the meaning of this act. III. And for ascertaining the age of children imported into this colony, Be it further enacted, by the authority aforesaid, That the owner or purchaser of every imported child, being a servant or slave, and the parent or importer of every free male child, shall bring him or her before the court of what county wherein such child shall be resident, at the first, second, or third court held, after his or her importation, and the age of such child, being then there adjudged by the court, and recorded, shall be deemed and taken to be the true age thereof, in respect to his or her becoming tithable, otherwise every such child shall be immediately tithable, although not sixteen years of age. IV. And for the regular listing all tithable persons, Be it further enacted, by the authority aforesaid, That the court of every county respectively, shall divide the same into convenient precincts, and annually, before the tenth day of June, appoint one of the justices for each precinct, to take a list of the tithables therein; and every such justice shall, before that day, give public notice of his being so appointed, and at what place or places he intends to receive the lists, by advertisement thereof, affixed to the church door of the parish wherein his precinct lies, and shall accordingly attend on the said tenth day of June, if it be not Sunday, and then on the next day, and in August court next following shall deliver a fair list, of the names and numbers of the tithables, together with the vouchers by him taken, to the clerk of the court, who, on the next court day, shall set up fair copies of such lists in his court house, there to remain during the sitting of that! court, for the inspection of all persons, and the better discovery of such as shall be concealed: And if any justice so appointed shall refuse to take, or shall fail to return such list, and vouchers, as aforesaid, he shall forfeit and pay two thousand pounds of tobacco, one moiety to the king, his heirs and successors, for the use of the county wherein such failure, or refusal shall be, towards lessening the county levy, and the other moiety to the informer, to be recovered with costs, by action of debt, or information, in any county court of this dominion. V. And that every master, or owner of a family, or in his absence, or non-residence at the plantation; his or her agent, attorney, or overseer, shall on the said tenth day of June, by a list under his or her hand, deliver, or cause to be delivered, to the justice appointed for that precinct, the names and number of all tithable persons abiding in, or belonging to his or her family, the ninth of June; or the master or owner thereof, or in case of his or her absence, or non residence upon the plantation, the overseer, shall be adjudged a concealer of such and so many tithables as shall not be listed and given in, and for every tithable person, so concealed, shall forfeit and pay five hundred pounds of tobacco, one moiety to the king, his heirs and successors, for the use of the parish wherein such concealment shall be, the other moiety to the informer, to be recovered with costs, by action of debt, or information, in any court of record where the same shall be cognizable: And! when any overseer shall fail to list the tithables upon the plantation whereof he is overseer, the master or owner shall be subject to the payment of their levies, in the same manner as he would have been if they had been listed: And if any justice, appointed to take the list of tithables, shall not truly enter and list the names, and number of his own tithables in that precinct, in the list he gives in, he shall be adjudged a concealer, and for every tithable person so by him concealed and not listed, shall forfeit and pay one thousand pounds of tobacco, to be applied and recovered as aforesaid. VI. Provided nevertheless, That if any owner or overseer shall happen, by sickness, absence, or ignorance of the person, or place, to omit delivering his or her list on the said tenth day of June, to the justice appointed to take the same, it shall be lawful for such person, to deliver or send his or her list to the house of such justice, at any time before the last day of the said month, which shall discharge him or her from the penalty aforesaid. VII. And whereas some persons, being owners of plantations in different counties and parishes, when they have been apprehensive, That the levies would run high in one of those counties or parishes, by reason of public buildings, or other emergencies, have removed their tithables some small time before the ninth of June, out of such county or parish, to some other plantation in another county or parish, and in a short time afterwards have caused the same, or other tithables in their room, to return to the county or parish from whence they were removed: For preventing such fraudulent practices, Be it further enacted, by the authority aforesaid, That if any master, owner, or overseer, shall remove his or her tithables, from one plantation to another, with intent to avoid the payment of levies in the county or parish from whence they are so removed, and shall afterwards cause the same or other tithables in their room, to return to the plantation from whence they were removed, i! n the manner herein before mentioned, every such master, owner, or overseer, shall be adjudged, and is hereby declared to be a concealer of the tithables so removed, and shall be liable to the penalties by this act inflicted for concealing or not listing tithables, to be recovered and applied as is herein before directed. VIII. And for the ease and encouragement of mariners, and seafaring persons, Be it further enacted, by the authority aforesaid, That all mariners and seafaring persons, not being freeholders, commonly employed in navigation, and who actually pay towards the support of Greenwich hospital, out of their wages, shall be, and are hereby exempted from being listed as tithables, and from paying any public, county, or parish levy. IX. And be it further enacted, by the authority aforesaid, That one act made in the fourth year of queen Anne, intituled, An act concerning tithables, and one other act, made in the twelfth year of his present majesty's reign, For amending the said act and acts, clause and clauses, heretofore made, for or concerning any matter or thing within the purview of this act, shall be, and are hereby repealed. X. And be it further enacted, That this act shall commence and be in force, from and immediately after the tenth day of June, which shall be in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and fifty-one. -----Original Message----- From: Fredric Z. Saunders [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Tithable The age was 16. See Hening's Statutes, 6:40 at: http://www.vagenweb.org/hening/ The later volumes are not yet on-line, but I am certain that had not changed by the 1768 list of your interest. Rick Saunders http://genealogypro.com/fsaunders.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 4/10/2007 10:44 PM

I found the same thing. No Hanson's in the Bean line. Well, we have names like Eager, Whittington, etc. that I cannot trace down, so it's not unusual. Thanks for sleuthing. My passion right now is for DNA testing and I have been tested for 67 markers on my male line and have had the full mtDNA test on my mother's line. Now we wait to see what happens! Thanks again, Terrell. - Bye from Bill PS - Am hunting a Marshall in Philadelphia in the 1700s. Does your grasp go back that far? On Apr 11, 2007, at 7:56 PM, Terrell Marshall wrote: > Bill, > > "The Bean Family of Maryland" has this family (only to 1st > Christopher that Saundra mentions) plus some siblings that Saundra > does > not mention. I'm not sure what your original question was, but did you > get it answered ? There are a lot of the usual early Maryland surnames > like Marbury, Boswell, Hanson, Dent families intertwined (but I can't > see a Henson or even an immediate Hanson as any spouse for 3 > generations > or so from the first Henry Henson Bean). > > Terrell Marshall > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDCHARLE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message "History is the consensus of survivors in authority" "Reality is the weighted mean of individual perceptions"

Bill, "The Bean Family of Maryland" has this family (only to 1st Christopher that Saundra mentions) plus some siblings that Saundra does not mention. I'm not sure what your original question was, but did you get it answered ? There are a lot of the usual early Maryland surnames like Marbury, Boswell, Hanson, Dent families intertwined (but I can't see a Henson or even an immediate Hanson as any spouse for 3 generations or so from the first Henry Henson Bean). Terrell Marshall

Marianne, I have a George W. Hardy in my database. He married someone named Artesida Hardy (b. 1857 in Nelson Co., KY), the daughter of Joseph F. Hardy (1818-1900) and Elizabeth Hagan (1819-1883), both from Nelson Co., KY. I have no dates for GWH. Could he be the George Washington Hardy in your note? My source for that info is: Jude <[email protected]> (Tel. 775 575-5155) in email in Nov. 2003 to WEHIII or to <[email protected]>. - Bye from Bill On Apr 11, 2007, at 5:45 PM, marianne dillow wrote: > I can say I have gone to bed after working on genealogy and wake up > at 2 AM with an answer or a direction on where to go. HA !! > That's BAD..... Ha !! I'm like you, I want good documentation. > > I am a retired 63 year old State employee with over 31 years of > service with the State of Illinois. In 2002 they offered us older > employees a 5 year buyout and I bought that with my 31 years and > took early retirement. 22 years of that time among other duties > consisted of documentation ( and I better be right..HA). I'm not > perfect but I strive for the truth to my family lineage. I don't > have to be kin to anyone in particular, I just want the correct > findings. > > I have also been posting not only for myself but for a new found > Hardy cousin in Texas. She has just joined the Charles list. Her > maiden name is Hardy. Her grandfathers were named ; > > John Hatton Hardy, George Washington Hardy, Solomon Hardy born > 1785 in Prince Georges Co (probably a nephew of my Solomon Hardy), > leading to George Hardy died before 1832 and who married Eleanor > Stone 10 Feb 1782 and she was born 6 Jul 1764 died prior to 1823. I > found a record of a Joseph Stone at St. John's church for a Joseph > Stone who names a dau Eleanor with the same birthdate, > > Mary Jo Pundt, ShirleyMmoller and Bill Howard have been working > with me ever since I joined the Charles list. > > > Norma Lundgren <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the reply on the deed. I've been led astray so many > times by > "helpful" additions by abstracters and transcribers. It's good to > know this one > wasn't mis-leading. > > I have a Brawner who supposedly went to Loudoun County based on an > added word by > a transcriber. I chased him there for many years. Then one day, I > found where a > census taker wrote down "Fauquier County" as the birthplace of one > of his > children and I found that I had been looking in the wrong place for > many years! > The abstractors of the census simply put "Virginia" as her > birthplace, but when > I viewed the microfilm, there it was! > > Isn't genealogy fun? > > Norma > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marianne dillow" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:12 AM > Subject: [MDCHARLE] JOHN DENT > > >> Thanks to those who responded to me on and off the list on John >> Dent. Your >> efforts in my behalf are very much appreciated. >> >> I am finding MANY MD names in Loudoun as well as Stafford County >> in Va which >> was an earlier county than Loudoun (which was formed in 1757 from >> Fairfax .) >> >> I have also received a new tithable list from Loudoun in which my >> Solomon >> Hardy had a tithable in 1768. If he was 21 years of age, his >> birthdate would >> be 1746 or earlier. >> >> The Solomon that married Rachel Livers was born ca 1732 and I feel >> that my >> Solomon was named after him as there is 14 years difference in >> their ages. >> >> The earliest Hardy's in the tithables in Loudoun are the following : >> >> (1) Benjamin Hardy in 1760 for 1 tithable...List taken by George >> West. >> >> (2) William Hardy in 1761 for 1 tithable FOR Capt. Wm. Douglass >> tithables >> taken 1767 and 1 other tithable in 1762 , List taken by Charles >> Tyler. >> >> The rest of the tithables are in the 1767-1781 range for William >> Hardy, Sr >> and Jr. ; Benjamin, James, George and Henry Hardy (spelled both >> Hardy and >> Hardy). >> >> Some of the Md names that were List takers on the tithable lists >> are : >> James Hamilton, George West, Capt. William Douglass, Charles >> Tyler, William >> Stanhope, and possibly John Moss, George Summers and Levan Powell ?? >> >> The earliest Hardy deed in Loudoun is in 1757 with George Hardy >> and wife Mary >> with eldest son George with William Hardy as a witness. I believe >> this William >> was in the 1770 deed with wife (possibly Sarah Hanson dau of John >> Hanson, Jr >> and Elizabeth Tyler.) and son Hanson Hardy with my Solomon Hardy >> born ca 1746 >> witnessing the deed and leasing land on Goose Creek on the same >> date next to >> William Hardy. >> >> A few months later Benjamin Hardy and wife Mary and son John is >> leasing land >> on Goose Creek next to William and Solomon Hardy. >> >> In other records in Loudoun the Hardy's have associations with >> Hanson, Dent, >> Tyler, Massey, Luke Marbury and Ann Beanes. Edward Trafford, Esq >> took my >> George Hardy, Jr and William Hardy, Sr to court in Loudoun in 1762 >> and 1771. >> >> Edward Trafford, Esq from Liverpool knew both Hardy families in >> Virginia and >> Maryland because I also found a record where he was in records of the >> following : >> >> William Hardy died 1761...Payments to Edward Trafford, Esq and Sons , >> merchants in Liverpool. This Wiliam Hardy was born 1722 and died >> 1757, son of >> George Hardy and Elizabeth Drane. This William Hardy married >> Elizabeth Lanham. >> >> Upon checking on Edward Trafford, Esq it appears that he was a >> businessman, >> Mayor of London in the 1740's for one year and I then found >> records where he >> was bringing people from England to Maryland in his ships and one >> account >> named him as a slave trader. >> >> Whoever Edward Trafford, Esq was, he certainly knew both Hardy >> families in >> Virginia and Maryland, and there were some kind of financial >> transactions with >> the Hardy families on both sides of the Potomac River. It gives >> some clues >> worth looking int. >> >> Thanks again to everyone for their replys and the info on these other >> Maryland names in this posting naming Loudoun are meant for those >> who might >> have not known their family members went from MD to Va. >> Kindly Regards, >> Marianne Dillow >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDCHARLE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDCHARLE- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message "History is the consensus of survivors in authority" "Reality is the weighted mean of individual perceptions"

The age was 16. See Hening's Statutes, 6:40 at: http://www.vagenweb.org/hening/ The later volumes are not yet on-line, but I am certain that had not changed by the 1768 list of your interest. Rick Saunders http://genealogypro.com/fsaunders.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.2.0/756 - Release Date: 4/10/2007 10:44 PM

I am sorry, but the tithable age query threw me. My Solomon Hardy had a dau Elizabeth (my next grandmother) who was born ca 1769) mentioned in his 1770 deed in Loudoun Co., Va. and with the records in Allen County, Ky where his daughter moved Solomon would have to be born in MD by 1749 died 1824 in Bedford Co., Va. Marianne Dillow Note: forwarded message attached.

John, You may be right. If true my Splomon Hardy would have a birthdate 1746 / 1751 depending on the laws of Virginia of which I now know nothing on the lawful age of tithables. Anyone on the list have any knowledge on this subject matter ??. Thanks, Marianne Dillow John Lomax <[email protected]> wrote: In the response about John Dent it was noted that "I have also received a new tithable list from Loudoun in which my Solomon Hardy had a tithable in 1768. If he was 21 years of age, his birth date would be 1746 or earlier." Does anyone know at what age the young men were considered to be tithable? Years ago I had found a reference in Maryland indicating that in the late 1600s and early 1700s the age was 16. At the same time they had to be 21 to enter into court proceedings. Wasn't 16 considered to be "coming of age" and some fathers entered a cattle mark for them at that age? Is there anything in the early laws or church records to answer these questions? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the response about John Dent it was noted that "I have also received a new tithable list from Loudoun in which my Solomon Hardy had a tithable in 1768. If he was 21 years of age, his birth date would be 1746 or earlier." Does anyone know at what age the young men were considered to be tithable? Years ago I had found a reference in Maryland indicating that in the late 1600s and early 1700s the age was 16. At the same time they had to be 21 to enter into court proceedings. Wasn't 16 considered to be "coming of age" and some fathers entered a cattle mark for them at that age? Is there anything in the early laws or church records to answer these questions?

I can say I have gone to bed after working on genealogy and wake up at 2 AM with an answer or a direction on where to go. HA !! That's BAD..... Ha !! I'm like you, I want good documentation. I am a retired 63 year old State employee with over 31 years of service with the State of Illinois. In 2002 they offered us older employees a 5 year buyout and I bought that with my 31 years and took early retirement. 22 years of that time among other duties consisted of documentation ( and I better be right..HA). I'm not perfect but I strive for the truth to my family lineage. I don't have to be kin to anyone in particular, I just want the correct findings. I have also been posting not only for myself but for a new found Hardy cousin in Texas. She has just joined the Charles list. Her maiden name is Hardy. Her grandfathers were named ; John Hatton Hardy, George Washington Hardy, Solomon Hardy born 1785 in Prince Georges Co (probably a nephew of my Solomon Hardy), leading to George Hardy died before 1832 and who married Eleanor Stone 10 Feb 1782 and she was born 6 Jul 1764 died prior to 1823. I found a record of a Joseph Stone at St. John's church for a Joseph Stone who names a dau Eleanor with the same birthdate, Mary Jo Pundt, ShirleyMmoller and Bill Howard have been working with me ever since I joined the Charles list. Norma Lundgren <[email protected]> wrote: Thanks for the reply on the deed. I've been led astray so many times by "helpful" additions by abstracters and transcribers. It's good to know this one wasn't mis-leading. I have a Brawner who supposedly went to Loudoun County based on an added word by a transcriber. I chased him there for many years. Then one day, I found where a census taker wrote down "Fauquier County" as the birthplace of one of his children and I found that I had been looking in the wrong place for many years! The abstractors of the census simply put "Virginia" as her birthplace, but when I viewed the microfilm, there it was! Isn't genealogy fun? Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne dillow" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: [MDCHARLE] JOHN DENT > Thanks to those who responded to me on and off the list on John Dent. Your > efforts in my behalf are very much appreciated. > > I am finding MANY MD names in Loudoun as well as Stafford County in Va which > was an earlier county than Loudoun (which was formed in 1757 from Fairfax .) > > I have also received a new tithable list from Loudoun in which my Solomon > Hardy had a tithable in 1768. If he was 21 years of age, his birthdate would > be 1746 or earlier. > > The Solomon that married Rachel Livers was born ca 1732 and I feel that my > Solomon was named after him as there is 14 years difference in their ages. > > The earliest Hardy's in the tithables in Loudoun are the following : > > (1) Benjamin Hardy in 1760 for 1 tithable...List taken by George West. > > (2) William Hardy in 1761 for 1 tithable FOR Capt. Wm. Douglass tithables > taken 1767 and 1 other tithable in 1762 , List taken by Charles Tyler. > > The rest of the tithables are in the 1767-1781 range for William Hardy, Sr > and Jr. ; Benjamin, James, George and Henry Hardy (spelled both Hardy and > Hardy). > > Some of the Md names that were List takers on the tithable lists are : > James Hamilton, George West, Capt. William Douglass, Charles Tyler, William > Stanhope, and possibly John Moss, George Summers and Levan Powell ?? > > The earliest Hardy deed in Loudoun is in 1757 with George Hardy and wife Mary > with eldest son George with William Hardy as a witness. I believe this William > was in the 1770 deed with wife (possibly Sarah Hanson dau of John Hanson, Jr > and Elizabeth Tyler.) and son Hanson Hardy with my Solomon Hardy born ca 1746 > witnessing the deed and leasing land on Goose Creek on the same date next to > William Hardy. > > A few months later Benjamin Hardy and wife Mary and son John is leasing land > on Goose Creek next to William and Solomon Hardy. > > In other records in Loudoun the Hardy's have associations with Hanson, Dent, > Tyler, Massey, Luke Marbury and Ann Beanes. Edward Trafford, Esq took my > George Hardy, Jr and William Hardy, Sr to court in Loudoun in 1762 and 1771. > > Edward Trafford, Esq from Liverpool knew both Hardy families in Virginia and > Maryland because I also found a record where he was in records of the > following : > > William Hardy died 1761...Payments to Edward Trafford, Esq and Sons , > merchants in Liverpool. This Wiliam Hardy was born 1722 and died 1757, son of > George Hardy and Elizabeth Drane. This William Hardy married Elizabeth Lanham. > > Upon checking on Edward Trafford, Esq it appears that he was a businessman, > Mayor of London in the 1740's for one year and I then found records where he > was bringing people from England to Maryland in his ships and one account > named him as a slave trader. > > Whoever Edward Trafford, Esq was, he certainly knew both Hardy families in > Virginia and Maryland, and there were some kind of financial transactions with > the Hardy families on both sides of the Potomac River. It gives some clues > worth looking int. > > Thanks again to everyone for their replys and the info on these other > Maryland names in this posting naming Loudoun are meant for those who might > have not known their family members went from MD to Va. > Kindly Regards, > Marianne Dillow > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the reply on the deed. I've been led astray so many times by "helpful" additions by abstracters and transcribers. It's good to know this one wasn't mis-leading. I have a Brawner who supposedly went to Loudoun County based on an added word by a transcriber. I chased him there for many years. Then one day, I found where a census taker wrote down "Fauquier County" as the birthplace of one of his children and I found that I had been looking in the wrong place for many years! The abstractors of the census simply put "Virginia" as her birthplace, but when I viewed the microfilm, there it was! Isn't genealogy fun? Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "marianne dillow" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:12 AM Subject: [MDCHARLE] JOHN DENT > Thanks to those who responded to me on and off the list on John Dent. Your > efforts in my behalf are very much appreciated. > > I am finding MANY MD names in Loudoun as well as Stafford County in Va which > was an earlier county than Loudoun (which was formed in 1757 from Fairfax .) > > I have also received a new tithable list from Loudoun in which my Solomon > Hardy had a tithable in 1768. If he was 21 years of age, his birthdate would > be 1746 or earlier. > > The Solomon that married Rachel Livers was born ca 1732 and I feel that my > Solomon was named after him as there is 14 years difference in their ages. > > The earliest Hardy's in the tithables in Loudoun are the following : > > (1) Benjamin Hardy in 1760 for 1 tithable...List taken by George West. > > (2) William Hardy in 1761 for 1 tithable FOR Capt. Wm. Douglass tithables > taken 1767 and 1 other tithable in 1762 , List taken by Charles Tyler. > > The rest of the tithables are in the 1767-1781 range for William Hardy, Sr > and Jr. ; Benjamin, James, George and Henry Hardy (spelled both Hardy and > Hardy). > > Some of the Md names that were List takers on the tithable lists are : > James Hamilton, George West, Capt. William Douglass, Charles Tyler, William > Stanhope, and possibly John Moss, George Summers and Levan Powell ?? > > The earliest Hardy deed in Loudoun is in 1757 with George Hardy and wife Mary > with eldest son George with William Hardy as a witness. I believe this William > was in the 1770 deed with wife (possibly Sarah Hanson dau of John Hanson, Jr > and Elizabeth Tyler.) and son Hanson Hardy with my Solomon Hardy born ca 1746 > witnessing the deed and leasing land on Goose Creek on the same date next to > William Hardy. > > A few months later Benjamin Hardy and wife Mary and son John is leasing land > on Goose Creek next to William and Solomon Hardy. > > In other records in Loudoun the Hardy's have associations with Hanson, Dent, > Tyler, Massey, Luke Marbury and Ann Beanes. Edward Trafford, Esq took my > George Hardy, Jr and William Hardy, Sr to court in Loudoun in 1762 and 1771. > > Edward Trafford, Esq from Liverpool knew both Hardy families in Virginia and > Maryland because I also found a record where he was in records of the > following : > > William Hardy died 1761...Payments to Edward Trafford, Esq and Sons , > merchants in Liverpool. This Wiliam Hardy was born 1722 and died 1757, son of > George Hardy and Elizabeth Drane. This William Hardy married Elizabeth Lanham. > > Upon checking on Edward Trafford, Esq it appears that he was a businessman, > Mayor of London in the 1740's for one year and I then found records where he > was bringing people from England to Maryland in his ships and one account > named him as a slave trader. > > Whoever Edward Trafford, Esq was, he certainly knew both Hardy families in > Virginia and Maryland, and there were some kind of financial transactions with > the Hardy families on both sides of the Potomac River. It gives some clues > worth looking int. > > Thanks again to everyone for their replys and the info on these other > Maryland names in this posting naming Loudoun are meant for those who might > have not known their family members went from MD to Va. > Kindly Regards, > Marianne Dillow > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I had the same thought. I have three Sarahs married to a John Dent, but Sarah Marshall fits Marianne's scenario the best. Nothing proved, however. - Bye from Bill I find it fascinating how these Marylanders cross over into Virginia, and don't just go south to WVA, KY and TN. I think it's opening a lot of our eyes. Good to tie families together this way. -WEH On Apr 11, 2007, at 11:33 AM, SHIRLEY MOLLER wrote: > Marianne, > Could it be John Dent and Sarah Marshall? John would be the s/o > Geo Dent > and Ann Harbert, Sarah the d/o Thomas Marshall and Elizabeth Bishop. > Shirley Middleton Moller > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "marianne dillow" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 9:37 PM > Subject: [MDCHARLE] DENT LAND RECORDS IN LOUDOUN CO., VA. > > >> In case anyone is interested the folowing two land deed records >> are in >> Loudoun County, Va. for the DENT family. >> >> (1) Bk : Pg : F : 298, 300 Date : 18 Apr 1768 Returned to >> Court : 9 May >> 1768 >> >> JOHN DENT and wife SARAH of Charles County, MD to FRANCIS PEYTON of >> Loudoun Lease / Release of 1157 acres "Wolf Glade Branch: of Little >> River, adj CAPT. JOHN MIDDLETON, THOMAS OWSLEY, >> Wit : JOHN WEST, FRANCIS DADE, WILLIAM TEMPLETON, MATTHEW >> CAMPBELL, JOHN >> BALLENDINE. >> >> (2) Bk : Pg : I : 440 Date : 11 May 1772 Returned to Court : ---- >> >> THOMAS DENT of Pixatawney, Prince George County to his niece ANN >> HARDEY >> (dau of GEORGE and LUCEY HARDAY (Thomas Dent's sister) of >> Pixatawaney, >> Prince George's County. Gift of 223 acres adj WILLIAM HOUBEY, GIDNEY >> CLARKE, ISAAC NICHOLDS. >> Wit : ROBERT H. HARRISON, GEORGE WEST, THOS. KIRKPATRICK, THOS. >> CARSON, >> ANTHY. RAMSAY. >> >> I know who THOMAS DENT is but who are JOHN DENT's >> parents,siblings , and >> family members ?? >> >> Marianne Dillow