These are three different Zackary Wades. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of SHIRLEY MOLLER Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade How can one Immigrate and be transported? Can't..... Shirley Middleton Moller Wade, Zachary Liber 2 Folio 575 Transported 1655. Supplement by Carson Gibbs. Page 228 Wade, Zackary Qo:242 SR8189 Immigrated by 1658 with his wife & Comelius Haggon Transcript. Q:371 [SR7345] Wade, Zackary 5:127 SR7347 [Immigrated] by 1662 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Peter and Linda, That is what I had thought. Shirley Middleton Moller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Reno" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Immigrants vs Transportees For early Maryland, you had two kinds of people. Immigrants, classified as such because they paid their own transportation. Transported didn't mean they were prisoners, it meant their transportation was paid by someone else. They came as indentured servants under contract for a certain number of years with the person who paid their fare. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: [MDCHARLE] Immigrants vs Transportees I refer listees to the following section of the following URL. It refers to Wales but the terminology has been more broadly used. The URL is a site commonly used by genealogists: The URL is: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/RG/guide/Wales11.asp • Free emigrants. Beginning in the 1630s, emigrants left Wales to promote trade or set up military outposts and way stations for merchant ships. Later, free emigrants sought opportunity in a new land or fled poverty or oppression in Wales. • Assisted emigrants. From 1815 to 1900, qualified emigrants received passage money or land grants in the destination country as an alternative to receiving poor relief. After 1840 New Zealand and Australia offered money or land grants to skilled workers to encourage immigration. • Transported prisoners. More than 200,000 criminals were conditionally pardoned, exiled, and transported to penal colonies before 1870. Before 1775 over 50,000 prisoners were sent to America, primarily to Virginia and Maryland. From 1788 to 1869 over 160,000 prisoners were sent to Australia. Q.E.D. - Bye from Bill Howard On Apr 22, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Peter T. Thompson wrote: > Hi list. > I don't think this distinction between immigrated and > transported is correct (see below). I think immigrate refers to > those who paid their own passage to come as opposed to those whose > passage was paid for by someone else, either willingly or otherwise. > The Conditions for Land Grants under Baltimore's government has a > rich history. (For a quick summary see "The Flowering of the Maryland > Palatinate" by Harry Wright Newman, starting at page 61. > (Incidentally in the next chapter he reviews "Hundreds".)) In the > early days of Maryland many, actually most, came as transportees and > had to work off their indentures under carefully defined contracts. > These people hadn't done anything wrong--they just agreed to work off > the cost of their passage. Under English inheritance laws generally > only the oldest son inherited the family lands. Younger sons who had > no means of support often indentured themselves to come to Maryland. > After they had "paid" for their service they were awarded land under > the"Conditions" terms. Very few transportees came to Maryland > against their will. After the Restoration many who had fought > against the Crown or were convicted of rebellion against the Crown > (Jacobites for example) or were otherwise "convicted" were forcibly > transported to some American colonies and especially to the Caribbean > colonies of England. (Remember Raphael Sabatini's "Captain Blood"?). > But my impression is that very few immigrants to Maryland were forced > to come. > Cheers, Pete > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry for my little typo last nite as I actually have the 1677 date also listed in my computer, but when I typed up the message last nite, I had just returned from the Family Celebrations of the Christening of my granddaughter, Gracie Mae Purdum. Hope you can understand after all that crab, crab dip, crab cakes, and there might even have been a beer or two involved, at the Crab Deck on Kent Island. Cheers, Michael Kent Island, Maryland ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade >I just saw the 1677 dates in the Maryland Calandar of Wills.

Hey y'all, Who posted this info, or the link thereof? I just wanted to thank you for it in case I forgot to do so and to give you credit for it where I added it to my Montgomery file as an interesting bit of history. It is especially interesting to think that a retired Roman soldier began the Montgomery line. It begins with the following: ------------------- "History of the Montgomery Family: A noble Roman was the root >From which Montgomeries came Who brought his legions from the war And settled same upon an hill 'Twixt Rome and Spain Gomericus by name; >From which he and his offspring do Their sir-name still retain This is a narrative in rhyme from Glasgow, 1770, referring to the origin of the name Montgomery. The name Montgomery derives from an ancient Norman family, who held the Castle of St. Foy de Montgomery near Lisieux, in France. Tradition asserts that the name can be traced back to a Roman commander called Gomericus. Gaelic Name: MacGumerait Motto: Garde Bien (Watch well) Lands: Ardrossan and Kintryre One theory for the origin of the name Montgomery follows: Among the Viking chieftains who ravaged Europe in the 9th century was Gomeric, son of ....................."

Hello Norma, You are welcome Norma. I am glad you found it interesting and/or helpful. You mentioned my Montgomery file having a bit of prose at the beginning. The reason I have all that sort of stuff, notes, explainations, historical notes in my various family files is because originall I put it all togeterh and wrote it for my immediate family; my siblings, my children, and maybe a handful of cousins. I hope y'all don't find it silly or boring. If you think there was a lot on the Montgomery file, you ought to see my Stenhoue Family file, or my Middleton file. I added a good bit about Scottish history, etc., on my Stenhouse file and some Welsh stuff on my Middleton file. In any of my family files I always start off with explanations, a bit of history if I could, etc, for the benifit of my siblings and kids, etc, who probably don't know much of anything pertaining to those areas of history, etc.. Take care, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norma Lundgren" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:57 AM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > Shirley, > I assume you are referring to the long message posted by David Middleton > Edelen, > when you say in a message to Bill Howard that you haven't seen it. You > replied > to it, so I think you did see it. It had a great deal of prose at the > beginning, > then a descendant list for Peter, giving spouses, BMD dates for his > children and > other descendants. > > You mentioned birthdates of Francis and John Baptiste given in a Bible. > What > were those dates? > > Also, you mention Elisha I and Elisha II. Were those the persons David had > born > in 1743 and 1745? David shows a set of twins, Margaret and Elisha born 14 > April > 1743, both of whom died the same day. Then he shows another Elisha born 5 > Apr > 1745. > > David also showed Joseph and Mary born 12 Nov 1737 as Margaret's first > born. > > Thank you for the information you have been posting. It is very useful! > > Norma > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > > >> David, thank you for the info below--I will add this to my files... >> >> I have to admit I am getting awfully confused because I know Natalie >> Baker >> worked so hard for so many years on the Montgomerys, and I'm wondering if >> any >> "real" new information has showed up that changes her findings...or is >> all of >> this just conjecture? What was the justification or proof that Peter >> had >> three wives? >> >> Doesn't it seem strange to you that Peter did not mention all of his >> children >> in his will; or Margaret either for that matter? >> >> Is the information you have solely based on oral family history--or is >> anything documented? >> >> I wish I knew how we could see copies of the writings in that Bible that >> Mary >> Ellen Blandford has from Zachariah Montgomery. >> >> Shirley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:55 PM >> Subject: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents >> >> >> Hey Shirley, >> Here is an excerpt from my file showing that family, 1st and >> 2nd >> wife of B. Franklin Montgomery's father, and both sets of kids: >> ---------------------------------------------- >> >> V. JAMES HENRY MONTGOMERY, SR., B. 1812 in Charles County, MD.--D. >> 8/21/1897 >> in Charles County, Md. Buried in St. Mary's Cath. Cemetery in Bryantown, >> Md.. >> At his and his son J.H.M., Jr's grave, and near Benj. F. Montgomery's, is >> a >> marker put there by his granddaughter. It reads: "Montgomery, James Henry >> Sr., >> grandfather, 1812-1897; James Henry Jr., father, 1847-1906, placed by >> Susanne >> M. >> Greer, 1967." >> -M- Married in Charles Co. on 2/4/1834 in Charles Co., >> Md.. >> JANE E. BERRY(1st Wife), B. abt. 1814 Charles County, MD.--D. 1847 >> in >> Charles County, MD.. Daughter of John Nally Berry and Mildred Robey. >> ISSUE: >> 1. Richard Seaton Montgomery, b. 1836/37. >> 2. Robert Mongomery, b. January 20, 1840 (Was this the other Richard in >> the >> 1850 >> census below?). >> 3. Mary Catherine Montgomery, b. September 14, 1839/40. >> 4. Sarah Priscilla Montgomery, b. 7/1841--d.4/29/1909. Baptised >> 4/26/1843.-m-John Thomas Langley on 1/10/1860. Issue: (A) Thomas Albert >> Langly >> (10/27/1865), (B) Rebecca Lula Langley (8/1/1867), (C) Cora Mae Langley >> (3/6/1886). >> 5. *Benjamin Franklin Montgomery, b. 10/1/1844 in Charles County, Md.--d. >> 1/4/1883 in Charles County, MD.-m-Anne Jane Gilmore, 3/30/1850--d. >> 4/7/1934 >> (See >> below). >> 6. James Henry Montgomery, Jr., b. 1847 in Md.., (see tombstone >> inscription >> above). >> >> NOTE: Notice Benj. Franklin Montgomery listed in the census below as >> Franklin: >>>From 1850 Census of Charles County, Maryland: >> >> 292a-10 1288 Montgomery James H.------32 M W Farmer MD Bryantown >> 292a-11 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------23 F W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-12 1288 Montgomery Richard--------13 M W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-13 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------11 F W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-14 1288 Montgomery Priscilla---------9 F W --- MD Bryantown >> *292a-15 1288 Montgomery Franklin--------7 M W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-16 1288 Montgomery Richard---------6 M W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-17 1288 Montgomery James-----------3 M W --- MD Bryantown >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 2nd Wife of James Henry Montgomery, Sr. (I have seen it written that this >> was >> the first wife of J.A. M, Sr.): >> MARY ELIZABETH ANN HOSICKS, b. 1/13/1827 in Md.--d. 2/26/1897. They were >> married >> on 4/11/1850 in Washington, D.C.. >> issue: (Info given by Mike Clark of Minessota >> 1. John William Montgomery, (4/1/1851) >> 2. Robert Daniel Montgomery (1/17/1853) >> 3. Thomas B. Montgomery (1856) >> 4. James or Joseph Benidict Montgomery (2/5/1859). >> 5. Alexander Columbus Montgomery 7/17/1861) >> 6. George Washington Montgomery (6/5/1866) >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> I hope this is of some interest or help to you. I find it all >> fascinating. I have always wondered, since my other Maryland ancestors >> did, if >> Benj. Franklin Montgomery fought during the Civil War? He would have been >> 20 >> years old in 1864. I wish I was up "yonder way", I'd go to the archives >> and >> find >> out. Let me know what you think. >> Dave >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of >> the message >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free >> from >> AOL at AOL.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Shirley and all, Up to B.F.Montgomery, it was just oral family stuff, but prooved it later with info from other people and sources like the censu of 1850 that is in my Montgomery file. In fact I just sent the file to you. Let me know what you think. You will see in it a note where I say I got the other info mainly from the Clan Montgomery website and from General Arthur E. Montgomery, Retired, my 2nd cousin "once removed", or in other words my dad's 2nd cousin. I and Arthur's kids are 3rd cousins I reckon. Anyway, his info mostly came from him mom who researched for years, Grace Elsie May (Montgomery) Brown. I have read, heard, and recieved much interesting info pertaining to our Montgomery family in places like the Clan Montgomery website, various discussion forums, relatives and fellow genealogical researchers. I hardily give my thanks to all. One of which was Joyce Bennet who lives in Charles County, Md. who was kind and gracious enough to get out and drive around and go look at some cemeteries for me. Thus the tombstone inscriptions for John, James H. Mont, Sr., and James H. Mont, Jr., and Benjamin Montgomery down below. My cousin Anne Tubman Gardiner of Charles Co., Md. said the Montgomerys' home place in Charles Co., Md. was "Mt. Eagle", in or near Bryantown, Md.., and that Benjamin F. Montgomery is buried near his parents in St. Mary's cemetary there. That was proven correct by Mrs. Joyce Bennet. Off and on through the last few years I have gotten bits and pieces of info from some of y'all, which I dearly appreciate. Remember, I just put my family files together for my immediate family, so as to give them an idea of their lines, their people. I am no professional. As far as Peter having three wives, etc., according to Mike Clark Peter married first one and then the other of two sisters. The one was Margaret and the other was Catherine. But it is not known which was first or second or by whom all the kids are from. Since Margaret and Catherine were sisters it really doesn't matter; they were still of the same bloodline. Read the various notes and all in my Montgomery file. They tell a bit of info as to where I got this or that from, or from what individual, etc., and some of it is about the wives and kids, etc.. If he infact married three sisters as I was told, then it is entirely possible that he could have 19 children. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > David, thank you for the info below--I will add this to my files... > > I have to admit I am getting awfully confused because I know Natalie Baker > worked so hard for so many years on the Montgomerys, and I'm wondering if > any "real" new information has showed up that changes her findings...or is > all of this just conjecture? What was the justification or proof that > Peter had three wives? > > Doesn't it seem strange to you that Peter did not mention all of his > children in his will; or Margaret either for that matter? > > Is the information you have solely based on oral family history--or is > anything documented? > > I wish I knew how we could see copies of the writings in that Bible that > Mary Ellen Blandford has from Zachariah Montgomery. > > Shirley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:55 PM > Subject: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > > > Hey Shirley, > Here is an excerpt from my file showing that family, 1st and > 2nd > wife of B. Franklin Montgomery's father, and both sets of kids: > ---------------------------------------------- > > V. JAMES HENRY MONTGOMERY, SR., B. 1812 in Charles County, MD.--D. > 8/21/1897 > in Charles County, Md. Buried in St. Mary's Cath. Cemetery in Bryantown, > Md.. > At his and his son J.H.M., Jr's grave, and near Benj. F. Montgomery's, is > a > marker put there by his granddaughter. It reads: "Montgomery, James Henry > Sr., > grandfather, 1812-1897; James Henry Jr., father, 1847-1906, placed by > Susanne M. > Greer, 1967." > -M- Married in Charles Co. on 2/4/1834 in Charles Co., > Md.. > JANE E. BERRY(1st Wife), B. abt. 1814 Charles County, MD.--D. 1847 in > Charles County, MD.. Daughter of John Nally Berry and Mildred Robey. > ISSUE: > 1. Richard Seaton Montgomery, b. 1836/37. > 2. Robert Mongomery, b. January 20, 1840 (Was this the other Richard in > the 1850 > census below?). > 3. Mary Catherine Montgomery, b. September 14, 1839/40. > 4. Sarah Priscilla Montgomery, b. 7/1841--d.4/29/1909. Baptised > 4/26/1843.-m-John Thomas Langley on 1/10/1860. Issue: (A) Thomas Albert > Langly > (10/27/1865), (B) Rebecca Lula Langley (8/1/1867), (C) Cora Mae Langley > (3/6/1886). > 5. *Benjamin Franklin Montgomery, b. 10/1/1844 in Charles County, Md.--d. > 1/4/1883 in Charles County, MD.-m-Anne Jane Gilmore, 3/30/1850--d. > 4/7/1934 (See > below). > 6. James Henry Montgomery, Jr., b. 1847 in Md.., (see tombstone > inscription > above). > > NOTE: Notice Benj. Franklin Montgomery listed in the census below as > Franklin: >>From 1850 Census of Charles County, Maryland: > > 292a-10 1288 Montgomery James H.------32 M W Farmer MD Bryantown > 292a-11 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------23 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-12 1288 Montgomery Richard--------13 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-13 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------11 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-14 1288 Montgomery Priscilla---------9 F W --- MD Bryantown > *292a-15 1288 Montgomery Franklin--------7 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-16 1288 Montgomery Richard---------6 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-17 1288 Montgomery James-----------3 M W --- MD Bryantown > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 2nd Wife of James Henry Montgomery, Sr. (I have seen it written that this > was > the first wife of J.A. M, Sr.): > MARY ELIZABETH ANN HOSICKS, b. 1/13/1827 in Md.--d. 2/26/1897. They were > married > on 4/11/1850 in Washington, D.C.. > issue: (Info given by Mike Clark of Minessota > 1. John William Montgomery, (4/1/1851) > 2. Robert Daniel Montgomery (1/17/1853) > 3. Thomas B. Montgomery (1856) > 4. James or Joseph Benidict Montgomery (2/5/1859). > 5. Alexander Columbus Montgomery 7/17/1861) > 6. George Washington Montgomery (6/5/1866) > ----------------------------------------- > > I hope this is of some interest or help to you. I find it all > fascinating. I have always wondered, since my other Maryland ancestors > did, if > Benj. Franklin Montgomery fought during the Civil War? He would have been > 20 > years old in 1864. I wish I was up "yonder way", I'd go to the archives > and find > out. Let me know what you think. > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David, thank you for the info below--I will add this to my files... I have to admit I am getting awfully confused because I know Natalie Baker worked so hard for so many years on the Montgomerys, and I'm wondering if any "real" new information has showed up that changes her findings...or is all of this just conjecture? What was the justification or proof that Peter had three wives? Doesn't it seem strange to you that Peter did not mention all of his children in his will; or Margaret either for that matter? Is the information you have solely based on oral family history--or is anything documented? I wish I knew how we could see copies of the writings in that Bible that Mary Ellen Blandford has from Zachariah Montgomery. Shirley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:55 PM Subject: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents Hey Shirley, Here is an excerpt from my file showing that family, 1st and 2nd wife of B. Franklin Montgomery's father, and both sets of kids: ---------------------------------------------- V. JAMES HENRY MONTGOMERY, SR., B. 1812 in Charles County, MD.--D. 8/21/1897 in Charles County, Md. Buried in St. Mary's Cath. Cemetery in Bryantown, Md.. At his and his son J.H.M., Jr's grave, and near Benj. F. Montgomery's, is a marker put there by his granddaughter. It reads: "Montgomery, James Henry Sr., grandfather, 1812-1897; James Henry Jr., father, 1847-1906, placed by Susanne M. Greer, 1967." -M- Married in Charles Co. on 2/4/1834 in Charles Co., Md.. JANE E. BERRY(1st Wife), B. abt. 1814 Charles County, MD.--D. 1847 in Charles County, MD.. Daughter of John Nally Berry and Mildred Robey. ISSUE: 1. Richard Seaton Montgomery, b. 1836/37. 2. Robert Mongomery, b. January 20, 1840 (Was this the other Richard in the 1850 census below?). 3. Mary Catherine Montgomery, b. September 14, 1839/40. 4. Sarah Priscilla Montgomery, b. 7/1841--d.4/29/1909. Baptised 4/26/1843.-m-John Thomas Langley on 1/10/1860. Issue: (A) Thomas Albert Langly (10/27/1865), (B) Rebecca Lula Langley (8/1/1867), (C) Cora Mae Langley (3/6/1886). 5. *Benjamin Franklin Montgomery, b. 10/1/1844 in Charles County, Md.--d. 1/4/1883 in Charles County, MD.-m-Anne Jane Gilmore, 3/30/1850--d. 4/7/1934 (See below). 6. James Henry Montgomery, Jr., b. 1847 in Md.., (see tombstone inscription above). NOTE: Notice Benj. Franklin Montgomery listed in the census below as Franklin: >From 1850 Census of Charles County, Maryland: 292a-10 1288 Montgomery James H.------32 M W Farmer MD Bryantown 292a-11 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------23 F W --- MD Bryantown 292a-12 1288 Montgomery Richard--------13 M W --- MD Bryantown 292a-13 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------11 F W --- MD Bryantown 292a-14 1288 Montgomery Priscilla---------9 F W --- MD Bryantown *292a-15 1288 Montgomery Franklin--------7 M W --- MD Bryantown 292a-16 1288 Montgomery Richard---------6 M W --- MD Bryantown 292a-17 1288 Montgomery James-----------3 M W --- MD Bryantown ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2nd Wife of James Henry Montgomery, Sr. (I have seen it written that this was the first wife of J.A. M, Sr.): MARY ELIZABETH ANN HOSICKS, b. 1/13/1827 in Md.--d. 2/26/1897. They were married on 4/11/1850 in Washington, D.C.. issue: (Info given by Mike Clark of Minessota 1. John William Montgomery, (4/1/1851) 2. Robert Daniel Montgomery (1/17/1853) 3. Thomas B. Montgomery (1856) 4. James or Joseph Benidict Montgomery (2/5/1859). 5. Alexander Columbus Montgomery 7/17/1861) 6. George Washington Montgomery (6/5/1866) ----------------------------------------- I hope this is of some interest or help to you. I find it all fascinating. I have always wondered, since my other Maryland ancestors did, if Benj. Franklin Montgomery fought during the Civil War? He would have been 20 years old in 1864. I wish I was up "yonder way", I'd go to the archives and find out. Let me know what you think. Dave ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

HI Bill, I don't think I have seen David's extensive list...can you forward it, please? Shirley -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Here's Montgomery line Hi, Shirley, While I agree with you about the 12 children of Margaret, I differ on the others. If I take David Middleton Edelen II's extensive list, including Peter Montgomery having three wives, I find the following. My grouping is according to the childrens' birth years and the marriage years that David assigns to the wives: First wife (name unknown): Mary, Francis and John Baptiste. Second wife (Catherine): James, Peter, Richard and Mary Magdalen. Third wife (Margaret): Basically your list. Comment David or Shirley? - Bye from Bill Howard -------------------------------------------------------------- On Apr 21, 2007, at 6:04 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Yes, Peter Montgomery had 6 children by his first wife, Catherine: > Francis, John Baptiste, Peter, Jr, James Ignatius, Richard and Mary > Magdalena > and 12 children by his second wife, Margaret: > Joseph, Mary Ellen, Susannah, William P., Elisha I, Margaret, > Elisha II, Ignatius, Benjamin, Charles, Anne Mary and James Henry. > > Neither of the wives maiden names have ever been proven. > > The Peter Montgomery line was extensively studied and researched > for 40 years by Natalie Montgomery Baker (who was the *Linda Reno* > of Daviess Co, IN). All of her files on the Montgomerys are on > microfilm in the LDS library. I visited with Natalie yesterday in > the nursing home, she's 83, but her mind is still sharp as a tack. > One only has to study the wills to confirm her research. > > Shirley ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Hi Shirley M: Natalie Baker documented Mary Magdalene Montgomery as b. 1726. Mary Louise Donnelly's book lists Mary Magdalene Montgomery as b. 26 Jun 1739. (Charles County, Maryland My Colonial Relations Plus Others, pg 212) So, I don't know who is right--maybe someone else can shed some light on this discrepancy. I have a note to myself that Mary Magdalen is mentioned in Stones and Bones, a publication by the Prince George's Co MD Genealogical Society in vol 9, page 76 (I don't have the text of this so I am not sure what this is about). I also have that Mary Magdalen married abt 1750, to John Higdon III (1716-1766). Peter Montgomery's will specifically mentions the daughter, Mary Magdalen Higdon-- "I give and Bequeath unto my Loving Daughter Mary Magdilen Higdon and my Loving Son Elisha Montgomery all the remaining part of my land to be Equally Divided to them and their Heirs forever." This is the only daughter named Mary mentioned in Peter's will. There is no mention of Susannah. Then in Margaret Montgomery's 1773 will she names daughters Mary Montgomery, Mary McAtee, Margaret Turner and Susannah Higdon... I suppose Mary Montgomery refers to youngest dau Anne Mary Montgomery (I have no married name or information for her); Mary McAtee is Mary Ellen Montgomery; Margaret Turner is Margaret Montgomery, and Susannah Higdon presumably is her dau Susannah Montgomery? Question is, could Susannah and Mary Magdelen both have married Higdons, or are they one and the same person? I do not have a first name for the Higdon who married Susannah. Margaret did not mention her son Benjamin who wrote will 1775 and died by 1777; or her son, Charles who went to KY; she did not mention her son Elisha II (he also went to KY); her son, Elisha I died by 1766. James Montgomery who witnessed her will must be her youngest son, James Henry. Joseph and William Montgomery also went to KY, but they are named in the will. It appears she doesn't mention any of Peter's children by first wife, Catherine (correct meif I'm wrong) -- and Peter certainly did not mention several of his children in his own will. It is really confusing to me. I don't have access to the microfilm of Natalie Baker's records until I get back to Utah in June, so I'm stuck as far as trying to check things. I'm also not sure what David M. Edelen has in his file on the Montgomerys since it didn't come through the other day -- so I can't answer Bill Howard's question. I don't think Natalie Baker found any evidence that Peter Montgomery was married three times. I hope we can get this line straight on the list! Shirley P. Here is the Will of Margaret Montgomery: In the name of God Amen. I Margaret Montgomery of Charles County being sick and weak in body but of sound and perfect memory do make and ordain this my last will and testament first revoking and making void all other will or wills by me heretofore made and do acknowledge this to be my last will and testament as followeth. First I give and bequeath unto my loving son Joseph Montgomery all the part of land being fifty six acres that I bought of Peter Montgomery to him and his heirs forever. Secondly I give and bequeath unto my loving daughter Mary Montgomery one feather bed with one pair of sheets and good covering over and above a child part. Thirdly I give and bequeath unto my loving son William Montgomery One English Shilling Fourthly I give and bequeath unto my loving daughter Mary Macatee one Englsh Shilling Fifthly I give and bequeath unto my loving daughter Susanna Higdon One English Shilling Sixthly I give and bequeath unto my loving daughter Margaret Turner One English Shilling. Seventhly I give and bequeath unto my children that has not been married all my personal estate to be equally divided my will and desire is that none of my estate should be sold by my executor nor administration be made but to be equally divided amongst all my children that has not been married. Lastly I nominate and appoint my beloved son Ignatius Montgomery my hole and sole executor of this my last will and testament and I do hereby enjoine the said executor to pay off my debts in witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal this 10th day of October Anno Domini 1773. Her Mark Margaret Montgomery Signed Sealed Published and Declared to be the last will and testament of the above said Margaret Montgomery in the presents of us. William Turner Rhoda Turner James Montgomery On the back of the foregoing will was written Charles County this 20th December 1774. Then came James Montgomery and made oath on the holy evangalist of almighty God that the within instrument of writting is the true and whole will and testament of Margaret Montgomery late of Charles County deceased ____ to his hand on possession and that he does not know of any other Certified by Daniel _____ Deputy Clerk And on the same day came William Turner and James Montgomery two of the subscribing witnesses to the within last will and testament of Margaret Montgomery late of Charles County deceased and made oath on the Evangalist of all mighty God that they did see the testator therein named sign and seal this will and showth(?) they heard her publish pronounce and declare the same to be her last will and testament. That at the same time of her so doing she was to the best of their apprehensions of sound and deposing mind memory of understanding and that they with Rhoda Turner respectively signed their names as witnesses to this the will in the in presence of the testator and in the presence of each other. Certified by D.W. _____ DC of Charles County -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Here's Montgomery line I have a question about dau Mary Montgomery mentioned in the will of her mother Margaret, does Natalie Montgomery Baker give her a birth date? I have seen her given the birth date of 26 Jun 1739, but that date has also been given to dau Susannah that married a Higdon. MARYLAND CALENDAR OF WILLS, VOL 16, p 35 MONTGOMERY, MARGARET, Charles Co.; 10 Oct, 1773; 20 Dec, 1774 To son Joseph Montgomery, 56 acres of land I bought of Peter Montgomery To dau Mary Montgomery, bed sheets and covering To son and daus: William Montgomery, Mary Macatee, Susannah Higdon and Margaret Turner, 1 sh each To all children: unmarried, personal estate equally To son Ignatius Montgomery, ex Wit: William and Rhoda Turner, James Montgomery Shirley Middleton Moller ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; "Edelen II" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Here's Montgomery line > Hi, Shirley, > > While I agree with you about the 12 children of Margaret, I differ on > the others. > If I take David Middleton Edelen II's extensive list, including Peter > Montgomery having three wives, I find the following. My grouping is > according to the childrens' birth years and the marriage years that > David assigns to the wives: > > First wife (name unknown): Mary, Francis and John Baptiste. > Second wife (Catherine): James, Peter, Richard and Mary Magdalen. > Third wife (Margaret): Basically your list. > > Comment David or Shirley? > - Bye from Bill Howard > -------------------------------------------------------------- > On Apr 21, 2007, at 6:04 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Yes, Peter Montgomery had 6 children by his first wife, Catherine: >> Francis, John Baptiste, Peter, Jr, James Ignatius, Richard and Mary >> Magdalena >> and 12 children by his second wife, Margaret: >> Joseph, Mary Ellen, Susannah, William P., Elisha I, Margaret, >> Elisha II, Ignatius, Benjamin, Charles, Anne Mary and James Henry. >> >> Neither of the wives maiden names have ever been proven. >> >> The Peter Montgomery line was extensively studied and researched >> for 40 years by Natalie Montgomery Baker (who was the *Linda Reno* >> of Daviess Co, IN). All of her files on the Montgomerys are on >> microfilm in the LDS library. I visited with Natalie yesterday in >> the nursing home, she's 83, but her mind is still sharp as a tack. >> One only has to study the wills to confirm her research. >> >> Shirley > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

For the benefit of those who don't already have this: Francis Montgomery, the oldest son of Peter, gave his age as 43 years in a deposition made on January 16,1753, when defining the bounds for a tract of land called "Intent" for Elizabeth Hagan. Also Richard Montgomery stated in a deposition of the same day that he was 31 years of age, that he was the brother of Francis, and that he was also a son of Peter Montgomery. (Ref. Land Books, Charles County, #47 B. #3, 1752-1753, page 348.) That would put Peter Montgomery's age at 26 at the time of the birth of his oldest son, Francis. (above from Andy Montgomery) *** (From Pauline Stubbs and Dave Brickey)-Birthdates for Francis and John Baptiste were from a Bible received by Mary Ellen Blandford from Zachariah Montgomery; sent to Judy Dixon by Natalie Baker. (Dave-- if you are out there...can you clarify the above information about this Bible??? --Shirley) *** Peter Montgomery, Jr -- BIRTH: 1. Natalie Montgomery Baker (1923-), Washington, IN, Descendants of Peter Montgomery, Copyright 1987, Microfilmed 1997, , #1255696. There is no other information on Peter Montgomery, Jr. in Natalie Baker's records. **** James Ignatius Montgomery-- born in Charles Co, MD per Natalie Montgomery Baker; BIRTH: 1. Natalie Montgomery Baker (1923-), Washington, IN, Descendants of Peter Montgomery, Copyright 1987, Microfilmed 1997, , #1255696. From: A43031949 To: Plattshirl Shirl, I certainly do concur that James Montgomery, born 1716 in Charles County, died April 1, 1780, married to Mary Middleton, was the son of Peter Montgomery. Incidentally, probate record- will dated same year James died, showed he had been a private in the Charles County militia. LDS records indicate he was born in France but everything I have found point to birth in Charles County, where he died. (from Andy Montgomery) ****** Will of James Montgomery: Charles County, MD Wills 1780-1791 I, James Montgomery of CC, am sick and weak in body but of sounds and perfect memory. To my wife, Mary Montgomery, my dwelling house and plantation, and all the lands I am possessed with, during her natural life, and after her death, to my son, Bernard Montgomery, and if he dies without heirs, to Augustin Montgomery, and if they both die without heirs, the land to fall to my next youngest, so on to the next of them. To my son James Montgomery - 1 feather bed and covering, 1 heifer and 1 iron pot. To my daughter Catherine Montgomery - 1 feather bed and furniture, 1 heifer, and 1 Smoch (?) chest. To my wife Mary Montgomery- the rest of my personal estate, during her natural life, and after her death, to be equally divided among my children: Thomas, Bernard, Mary Ann, Elizabeth, Teresa, and Augustin. I want my daughters to live on sd lands if they choose, during their single lives. Executrix - my wife Mary Signed Dec 24, 1779 - James Montgomery. Wit: Edward Jenkins, Thomas Reeves, James Moreland Probated on Apr 1, 1780 by Mary Montgomery's oath. Then came Edward Jenkins and James Moreland, 2 of the witnesses, and made oath that they saw the testator sign and seal this Will. **** page 116. Richard Montgomery's Will. Written 11 Mar 1778; Probated 25 Feb 1783 I, Richard Montgomery of CC, am sick and weak of body but of sound mind and memory. To my brother James Montgomery - my mare, saddle, and bridle. To my brothers James and Peter - my working tools, my wearing apparel, and all my cash (after my just debts are paid) to be equally divided between them. To my brother, Peter - 5 cattle and bed and pewter. Executor: My brother Peter. Signed Mar 11, 1778 - Richard (B his mark) Montgomery. Wit: J.B. Wathen, Nicholas Wathen. Probated 25 Feb 1783 by the oath of the executor and by the oath of the witness John Baptist Wathen. *** pg. 58 Ignatius Montgomery's Will. Written 7 Aug 1777; probated 13 Sept 1777. I, Ignatius Montgomery of Charles Co, MD, am sick and weak in body, but of sound and perfect memory. to my brother, Charles Montgomery - 50 acres of land, being part of a tract of land called Monmouth. To my brother, Benjamin Montgomery - 1 feather bed and furniture. To my brothers, Charles and Benjamin Montgomery, and my sister, Mary Montgomery - all my other effects, to be equally divided between them. Exec: my brother, Charles Montgomery. He is to pay off all my just debts. Signed 7 Aug 1777 Ignatius (+ his mark) Montgomery. Wit: Elizabeth Waters, William Waters, Edward Semmes. Probated 13 Sept 1777 by the oaths of witness Semmes. **** Named as Benedict in Natalie Baker's records; named as Benjamin in his will: pg. 53. Benjamin Montgomery's Will. written 5 Nov 1775; probated 2 Sept 1777. I, Benjamin Montgomery of Charles Co, MD, am in perfect health and memory, but calling to mind the uncertainty of this life, I make this, my last will. To my brother Ignatius Montgomery - all of my land, it being part of a tract of land called Monmouth Enlarged. But if he dies without issue, then I bequeath the land to the heirs of my brother, Joseph Montgomery. To my brothers Ignatius Montgomery and James Montgomery and my sister, Anne Mary Montgomery - all my moveable estate to be equally divided between them. Exec: my brother Ignatius Montgomery Signed 5 Nov 1775 - Benjamin (his X mark) Montgomery Wit: William Turner, Randolph Turner, Francis (his X mark) Wheatley. Probated by the oaths of witnesses William and Randolph Turner. Joseph Montgomery, the heir at law, being sick, did not attend. **** pg 51. James Montgomery Jr.'s Will written 30 Jul 1766; probated 2 Sept 1777 I, James Montgomery, Jr. of Charles Co, am in perfect health and sound memory. To my brother, William Montgomery - my bed and furniture and all my stock of hogs. To my sister, Anne Mary Montgomery - 7 yards of Irish linen. To my brother, Ignatius Montgomery - the rest of my goods and chattels. Exec: my brother Ignatius Montgomery Signed 30 July 1766 James Montgomery. Wit: William Turner, Randolph Turner (My note: How can he be James Montgomery, Jr....if there is no other James before him, except his half- brother James I.?) Shirley P ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Wasn't his will dated: 3/5/1677 and probated 5/25/1677? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "D Michael Johnson" <[email protected]> > Here is a little something I've put together from number a number of various > sources. Hope I haven't got people mixed up. > > Zachary Wade was born about 1627 in probably Warwickshire, England. He died > in 1678. > > Zachary Wade settled in Maryland in 1641 as a servant of Mistress Margaret > Brent. He was employed by Col. Giles Brent at Kent Fort Manor on Kent > Island, Maryland. He remained on the island after the Brents were ejected in > a land dispute by Col. Robert Claiborne in 1644 and then returned to the > Brent's service after Claiborne was ejected in his turn in 1647. > > Wade's Point, on Eastern Bay, below Claiborne, is so called from its first > owner Zachary Wade, one of Claiborne's Kent Island colonists, who crossed > over from Kent Island to Talbot in 1758 and took up a tract of 400 acres > (1.6 km2) upon which he settled. > > He later lived at Newton, St. Mary's County and served as Margaret Brent's > steward at St. Gabriel Manor in St. Mary's County. He was settled by 1661 on > land near the mouth of the Pomonkey Creek in Charles County that he bought > from Winganatto, King of the Nanjemoys. > > He became a lawyer. He was a member of the Maryland Assembly and served as > sheriff and justice of Charles County. He was sent by the Assembly on a > mission by ship, probably to Virginia, to procure a copy of the statutes of > England. > > He held more tha 5,100 acres of land in Queen Anne's, Talbot, Charles, and > Prince George's County. He was married to Mary Hatton. > > Cheers, Michael > Kent Island, Maryland > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

To Amanda Douglass, I did some research in Fairfax County, Virginia and found there was a Townsend Dade in Truro Parish. He was part of the Vestry in 1765 and he bought pews in the Alexandria Church in 1773. The Dade's married into the Washington family. In fact Townsend Dade went to church with George Washington. I have a record where my William Hardy was in Fairfax County with the Washington's right before Loudoun County, Va was formed from Fairfax in 1757. My Hardy's lived in Cameron Parish on Goose Creek in Loudoun and this is where Thomas Dent bought 223 acres as a gift for his niece Ann ( married ....Gordon) daughter of George Hardey, Jr. that married Lucy Dent's (sister of Thomas Dent.) The land was on Goose Creek also. This was in 1772. Then in 1800 Ann Hardey Gordon was in Georgia. So, there is a small summary of things I researched tonight that shows associations. Also Robert H. Harrison and Thomas Harrison were in the Loudoun fee Book 1762-1765. I hope this helps some. Marianne Dillow

Shirley, I assume you are referring to the long message posted by David Middleton Edelen, when you say in a message to Bill Howard that you haven't seen it. You replied to it, so I think you did see it. It had a great deal of prose at the beginning, then a descendant list for Peter, giving spouses, BMD dates for his children and other descendants. You mentioned birthdates of Francis and John Baptiste given in a Bible. What were those dates? Also, you mention Elisha I and Elisha II. Were those the persons David had born in 1743 and 1745? David shows a set of twins, Margaret and Elisha born 14 April 1743, both of whom died the same day. Then he shows another Elisha born 5 Apr 1745. David also showed Joseph and Mary born 12 Nov 1737 as Margaret's first born. Thank you for the information you have been posting. It is very useful! Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > David, thank you for the info below--I will add this to my files... > > I have to admit I am getting awfully confused because I know Natalie Baker > worked so hard for so many years on the Montgomerys, and I'm wondering if any > "real" new information has showed up that changes her findings...or is all of > this just conjecture? What was the justification or proof that Peter had > three wives? > > Doesn't it seem strange to you that Peter did not mention all of his children > in his will; or Margaret either for that matter? > > Is the information you have solely based on oral family history--or is > anything documented? > > I wish I knew how we could see copies of the writings in that Bible that Mary > Ellen Blandford has from Zachariah Montgomery. > > Shirley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:55 PM > Subject: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > > > Hey Shirley, > Here is an excerpt from my file showing that family, 1st and 2nd > wife of B. Franklin Montgomery's father, and both sets of kids: > ---------------------------------------------- > > V. JAMES HENRY MONTGOMERY, SR., B. 1812 in Charles County, MD.--D. 8/21/1897 > in Charles County, Md. Buried in St. Mary's Cath. Cemetery in Bryantown, Md.. > At his and his son J.H.M., Jr's grave, and near Benj. F. Montgomery's, is a > marker put there by his granddaughter. It reads: "Montgomery, James Henry Sr., > grandfather, 1812-1897; James Henry Jr., father, 1847-1906, placed by Susanne > M. > Greer, 1967." > -M- Married in Charles Co. on 2/4/1834 in Charles Co., Md.. > JANE E. BERRY(1st Wife), B. abt. 1814 Charles County, MD.--D. 1847 in > Charles County, MD.. Daughter of John Nally Berry and Mildred Robey. > ISSUE: > 1. Richard Seaton Montgomery, b. 1836/37. > 2. Robert Mongomery, b. January 20, 1840 (Was this the other Richard in the > 1850 > census below?). > 3. Mary Catherine Montgomery, b. September 14, 1839/40. > 4. Sarah Priscilla Montgomery, b. 7/1841--d.4/29/1909. Baptised > 4/26/1843.-m-John Thomas Langley on 1/10/1860. Issue: (A) Thomas Albert Langly > (10/27/1865), (B) Rebecca Lula Langley (8/1/1867), (C) Cora Mae Langley > (3/6/1886). > 5. *Benjamin Franklin Montgomery, b. 10/1/1844 in Charles County, Md.--d. > 1/4/1883 in Charles County, MD.-m-Anne Jane Gilmore, 3/30/1850--d. 4/7/1934 > (See > below). > 6. James Henry Montgomery, Jr., b. 1847 in Md.., (see tombstone inscription > above). > > NOTE: Notice Benj. Franklin Montgomery listed in the census below as Franklin: >>From 1850 Census of Charles County, Maryland: > > 292a-10 1288 Montgomery James H.------32 M W Farmer MD Bryantown > 292a-11 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------23 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-12 1288 Montgomery Richard--------13 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-13 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------11 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-14 1288 Montgomery Priscilla---------9 F W --- MD Bryantown > *292a-15 1288 Montgomery Franklin--------7 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-16 1288 Montgomery Richard---------6 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-17 1288 Montgomery James-----------3 M W --- MD Bryantown > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 2nd Wife of James Henry Montgomery, Sr. (I have seen it written that this was > the first wife of J.A. M, Sr.): > MARY ELIZABETH ANN HOSICKS, b. 1/13/1827 in Md.--d. 2/26/1897. They were > married > on 4/11/1850 in Washington, D.C.. > issue: (Info given by Mike Clark of Minessota > 1. John William Montgomery, (4/1/1851) > 2. Robert Daniel Montgomery (1/17/1853) > 3. Thomas B. Montgomery (1856) > 4. James or Joseph Benidict Montgomery (2/5/1859). > 5. Alexander Columbus Montgomery 7/17/1861) > 6. George Washington Montgomery (6/5/1866) > ----------------------------------------- > > I hope this is of some interest or help to you. I find it all > fascinating. I have always wondered, since my other Maryland ancestors did, if > Benj. Franklin Montgomery fought during the Civil War? He would have been 20 > years old in 1864. I wish I was up "yonder way", I'd go to the archives and > find > out. Let me know what you think. > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from > AOL at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I think people conclude that Peter had 3 wives because wife Catherine wasn't made a citizen along with Peter and his two oldest sons. Actually, all that naturalization tells us is that Peter and the two sons were born in France. If Catherine was English, and other children were born in England or Maryland before their father's naturalization, would they have needed to be naturalized, too? ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > David, thank you for the info below--I will add this to my files... > > I have to admit I am getting awfully confused because I know Natalie Baker > worked so hard for so many years on the Montgomerys, and I'm wondering if any > "real" new information has showed up that changes her findings...or is all of > this just conjecture? What was the justification or proof that Peter had > three wives? > > Doesn't it seem strange to you that Peter did not mention all of his children > in his will; or Margaret either for that matter? > > Is the information you have solely based on oral family history--or is > anything documented? > > I wish I knew how we could see copies of the writings in that Bible that Mary > Ellen Blandford has from Zachariah Montgomery. > > Shirley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:55 PM > Subject: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > > > Hey Shirley, > Here is an excerpt from my file showing that family, 1st and 2nd > wife of B. Franklin Montgomery's father, and both sets of kids: > ---------------------------------------------- > > V. JAMES HENRY MONTGOMERY, SR., B. 1812 in Charles County, MD.--D. 8/21/1897 > in Charles County, Md. Buried in St. Mary's Cath. Cemetery in Bryantown, Md.. > At his and his son J.H.M., Jr's grave, and near Benj. F. Montgomery's, is a > marker put there by his granddaughter. It reads: "Montgomery, James Henry Sr., > grandfather, 1812-1897; James Henry Jr., father, 1847-1906, placed by Susanne > M. > Greer, 1967." > -M- Married in Charles Co. on 2/4/1834 in Charles Co., Md.. > JANE E. BERRY(1st Wife), B. abt. 1814 Charles County, MD.--D. 1847 in > Charles County, MD.. Daughter of John Nally Berry and Mildred Robey. > ISSUE: > 1. Richard Seaton Montgomery, b. 1836/37. > 2. Robert Mongomery, b. January 20, 1840 (Was this the other Richard in the > 1850 > census below?). > 3. Mary Catherine Montgomery, b. September 14, 1839/40. > 4. Sarah Priscilla Montgomery, b. 7/1841--d.4/29/1909. Baptised > 4/26/1843.-m-John Thomas Langley on 1/10/1860. Issue: (A) Thomas Albert Langly > (10/27/1865), (B) Rebecca Lula Langley (8/1/1867), (C) Cora Mae Langley > (3/6/1886). > 5. *Benjamin Franklin Montgomery, b. 10/1/1844 in Charles County, Md.--d. > 1/4/1883 in Charles County, MD.-m-Anne Jane Gilmore, 3/30/1850--d. 4/7/1934 > (See > below). > 6. James Henry Montgomery, Jr., b. 1847 in Md.., (see tombstone inscription > above). > > NOTE: Notice Benj. Franklin Montgomery listed in the census below as Franklin: >>From 1850 Census of Charles County, Maryland: > > 292a-10 1288 Montgomery James H.------32 M W Farmer MD Bryantown > 292a-11 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------23 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-12 1288 Montgomery Richard--------13 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-13 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------11 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-14 1288 Montgomery Priscilla---------9 F W --- MD Bryantown > *292a-15 1288 Montgomery Franklin--------7 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-16 1288 Montgomery Richard---------6 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-17 1288 Montgomery James-----------3 M W --- MD Bryantown > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 2nd Wife of James Henry Montgomery, Sr. (I have seen it written that this was > the first wife of J.A. M, Sr.): > MARY ELIZABETH ANN HOSICKS, b. 1/13/1827 in Md.--d. 2/26/1897. They were > married > on 4/11/1850 in Washington, D.C.. > issue: (Info given by Mike Clark of Minessota > 1. John William Montgomery, (4/1/1851) > 2. Robert Daniel Montgomery (1/17/1853) > 3. Thomas B. Montgomery (1856) > 4. James or Joseph Benidict Montgomery (2/5/1859). > 5. Alexander Columbus Montgomery 7/17/1861) > 6. George Washington Montgomery (6/5/1866) > ----------------------------------------- > > I hope this is of some interest or help to you. I find it all > fascinating. I have always wondered, since my other Maryland ancestors did, if > Benj. Franklin Montgomery fought during the Civil War? He would have been 20 > years old in 1864. I wish I was up "yonder way", I'd go to the archives and > find > out. Let me know what you think. > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from > AOL at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

In those days, Sr. and Jr. and Yst (youngest) didn't denote father, son, grandson. They just meant the oldest, next oldest, and youngest in the jurisdiction who were old enough to participate in legal proceedings. They weren't part of a persons legal name as they may be today. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] AdditionalNotes on the Montgomery line > For the benefit of those who don't already have this: > > Francis Montgomery, the oldest son of Peter, gave his age as 43 years in a > deposition made on January 16,1753, when defining the bounds for a tract of > land called "Intent" for Elizabeth Hagan. > > Also Richard Montgomery stated in a deposition of the same day that he was 31 > years of age, that he was the brother of Francis, and that he was also a son > of Peter Montgomery. (Ref. Land Books, Charles County, #47 B. #3, 1752-1753, > page 348.) > > That would put Peter Montgomery's age at 26 at the time of the birth of his > oldest son, Francis. > (above from Andy Montgomery) > > *** > (From Pauline Stubbs and Dave Brickey)-Birthdates for Francis and John > Baptiste were from a Bible received by Mary Ellen Blandford from Zachariah > Montgomery; sent to Judy Dixon by Natalie Baker. > > (Dave-- if you are out there...can you clarify the above information about > this Bible??? --Shirley) > > *** > > Peter Montgomery, Jr -- > BIRTH: > 1. Natalie Montgomery Baker (1923-), Washington, IN, Descendants of Peter > Montgomery, Copyright 1987, Microfilmed 1997, , #1255696. > > There is no other information on Peter Montgomery, Jr. in Natalie Baker's > records. > **** > > James Ignatius Montgomery-- > > born in Charles Co, MD per Natalie Montgomery Baker; > BIRTH: > 1. Natalie Montgomery Baker (1923-), Washington, IN, Descendants of Peter > Montgomery, Copyright 1987, Microfilmed 1997, , #1255696. > > From: A43031949 > To: Plattshirl > Shirl, I certainly do concur that James Montgomery, born 1716 in Charles > County, died April 1, 1780, married to Mary Middleton, was the son of Peter > Montgomery. Incidentally, probate record- will dated same year James died, > showed he had been a private in the Charles County militia. LDS records > indicate he was born in France but everything I have found point to birth in > Charles County, where he died. > (from Andy Montgomery) > > > ****** > Will of James Montgomery: > Charles County, MD Wills 1780-1791 > I, James Montgomery of CC, am sick and weak in body but of sounds and perfect > memory. > To my wife, Mary Montgomery, my dwelling house and > plantation, and all the lands I am possessed with, during her natural life, > and after her death, to my son, Bernard Montgomery, and if he dies without > heirs, to Augustin Montgomery, and if they both die without heirs, the land to > fall to my next youngest, so on to the next of them. > To my son James Montgomery - 1 feather bed and covering, 1 heifer and 1 iron > pot. > To my daughter Catherine Montgomery - 1 feather bed and > furniture, 1 heifer, and 1 Smoch (?) chest. > To my wife Mary Montgomery- the rest of my personal estate, during her natural > life, and after her death, to be equally divided among my children: Thomas, > Bernard, Mary Ann, Elizabeth, Teresa, and Augustin. > I want my daughters to live on sd lands if they choose, during their single > lives. > Executrix - my wife Mary > Signed Dec 24, 1779 - James Montgomery. > Wit: Edward Jenkins, Thomas Reeves, James Moreland > Probated on Apr 1, 1780 by Mary Montgomery's oath. Then > came Edward Jenkins and James Moreland, 2 of the witnesses, and made oath that > they saw the testator sign and seal this Will. > > **** > > page 116. Richard Montgomery's Will. Written 11 Mar 1778; Probated 25 Feb 1783 > I, Richard Montgomery of CC, am sick and weak of body but of sound mind and > memory. > To my brother James Montgomery - my mare, saddle, and bridle. To my brothers > James and Peter - my working tools, my wearing apparel, and all my cash (after > my just debts are paid) to be equally divided between them. > To my brother, Peter - 5 cattle and bed and pewter. > Executor: My brother Peter. > Signed Mar 11, 1778 - Richard (B his mark) Montgomery. > Wit: J.B. Wathen, Nicholas Wathen. > Probated 25 Feb 1783 by the oath of the executor and by the oath of the > witness John Baptist Wathen. > > > *** > pg. 58 Ignatius Montgomery's Will. Written 7 Aug 1777; probated 13 Sept 1777. > I, Ignatius Montgomery of Charles Co, MD, am sick and weak in body, but of > sound and perfect memory. > to my brother, Charles Montgomery - 50 acres of land, being part of a tract of > land called Monmouth. > To my brother, Benjamin Montgomery - 1 feather bed and furniture. > To my brothers, Charles and Benjamin Montgomery, and my sister, Mary > Montgomery - all my other effects, to be equally divided between them. > Exec: my brother, Charles Montgomery. He is to pay off all my just debts. > Signed 7 Aug 1777 Ignatius (+ his mark) Montgomery. > Wit: Elizabeth Waters, William Waters, Edward Semmes. > Probated 13 Sept 1777 by the oaths of witness Semmes. > > **** > > Named as Benedict in Natalie Baker's records; named as Benjamin in his will: > > pg. 53. Benjamin Montgomery's Will. written 5 Nov 1775; probated 2 Sept 1777. > I, Benjamin Montgomery of Charles Co, MD, am in perfect health and memory, but > calling to mind the uncertainty of this life, I make this, my last will. > To my brother Ignatius Montgomery - all of my land, it being part of a tract > of land called Monmouth Enlarged. But if he dies without issue, then I > bequeath the land to the heirs of my brother, Joseph Montgomery. > To my brothers Ignatius Montgomery and James Montgomery and my sister, Anne > Mary Montgomery - all my moveable estate to be equally divided between them. > Exec: my brother Ignatius Montgomery > Signed 5 Nov 1775 - Benjamin (his X mark) Montgomery > Wit: William Turner, Randolph Turner, Francis (his X mark) Wheatley. Probated > by the oaths of witnesses William and Randolph Turner. Joseph Montgomery, the > heir at law, being sick, did not attend. > > **** > > pg 51. James Montgomery Jr.'s Will written 30 Jul 1766; probated 2 Sept 1777 > I, James Montgomery, Jr. of Charles Co, am in perfect health and sound memory. > To my brother, William Montgomery - my bed and furniture and all my stock of > hogs. > To my sister, Anne Mary Montgomery - 7 yards of Irish linen. > To my brother, Ignatius Montgomery - the rest of my goods and chattels. > Exec: my brother Ignatius Montgomery > Signed 30 July 1766 James Montgomery. > Wit: William Turner, Randolph Turner > > (My note: How can he be James Montgomery, Jr....if there is no other James > before him, except his half- brother James I.?) > > > > Shirley P > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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I am trying to find information regarding the marriage of Dr. James Johnstone, b. ca 1660, Annandale, Scotland, and Mary Hanson. I assume they were married in Charles Co., MD. The author of the book I have referenced below states that he was buried in Charles Co., MD. Mary (Hanson) Johnston died 1769 in Fairfax Co., Virginia. Her will was proved in 1770. Dr. James Johnstone, Charles Co., Maryland is my ancestor. LDS Salt Lake City has a copy of a book, "Stapp and Allied Families", compiled by Jennie F. Downing Crow. Part 2 relates to Johnston & Related Families. Page 184, states that Dr. James Johnstone, an adherent of Lord Baltimore settled in Maryland in the latter part of the 17th century, from Annandale, Scotland. His second wife was Mary Hanson. One of their children, George Johnston, Sr., prominent lawyer in Alexandria, Fairfax Co., VA, 1st wife Margaret Thompson. She died about 1745. He married his second wife, Sarah McCarty about 1749. She is the daughter of Dennis McCarty and Sarah (Ball) McCarty. Is there anyone on this list researching this family? I really appreciate any information you can share. Thanks. Beverly

I found the following two records that gives a better description of my Hardy family on Dividing Run : (1) Charles County Land Records Vol. 2 p 325 : Recorded 29 Apr 1738. 24 Apr 1738 from JOHN HARDY of CC, to FRANCIS MONTGOMERY of CC, for 4000 lbs tobacco, a tract of land called Dividing Run, and lying in CC on the east side of Zackaiah Swamp, being part of MR. WILLIAM BOARMAN's MANOR, laid out for about 50 acres. Signed - JOHN (+ his mark) HARDY. Wit : Henry Hawkins, Allen Davis. Sixty one years later : (2) Charles County Land Records 1786-1790 Vol 10 p 587 : 22 Sep 1789 from HENRY HARDY of Prince George's County, to DOCTOR EDWARD SEMMES of CC, 2 parts of a tract of land in CC on Dividing Run, called Boarmans Manor, bounded by the east side of Zachaiah Swamp, the north side of a fresh run called the Dividing Run, the Main Road that leads from Brian Town to the New Brigs (Bridges) of Zachaiah Swamp, containing about 103 acres, and beginning for the other part of the sd tract at a bounded red oak standing on the east side of Zackiah Swamp and on the north side of Dividing Run, containing about 50 acres. Signed : HENRY HARDEY Wit : John Smith Brookes, Thos. Boyd This deed was acknowledged by HENRY HARDEY in Prince George's County. Jno. Read Magruder, Clk Prince George's County Court, certified that afd Brookes and Boyd were PRG JP's. Recorded 8 oct 1789. Marianne Dillow

Here is a little something I've put together from number a number of various sources. Hope I haven't got people mixed up. Zachary Wade was born about 1627 in probably Warwickshire, England. He died in 1678. Zachary Wade settled in Maryland in 1641 as a servant of Mistress Margaret Brent. He was employed by Col. Giles Brent at Kent Fort Manor on Kent Island, Maryland. He remained on the island after the Brents were ejected in a land dispute by Col. Robert Claiborne in 1644 and then returned to the Brent's service after Claiborne was ejected in his turn in 1647. Wade's Point, on Eastern Bay, below Claiborne, is so called from its first owner Zachary Wade, one of Claiborne's Kent Island colonists, who crossed over from Kent Island to Talbot in 1758 and took up a tract of 400 acres (1.6 km2) upon which he settled. He later lived at Newton, St. Mary's County and served as Margaret Brent's steward at St. Gabriel Manor in St. Mary's County. He was settled by 1661 on land near the mouth of the Pomonkey Creek in Charles County that he bought from Winganatto, King of the Nanjemoys. He became a lawyer. He was a member of the Maryland Assembly and served as sheriff and justice of Charles County. He was sent by the Assembly on a mission by ship, probably to Virginia, to procure a copy of the statutes of England. He held more tha 5,100 acres of land in Queen Anne's, Talbot, Charles, and Prince George's County. He was married to Mary Hatton. Cheers, Michael Kent Island, Maryland

Hi, Shirley, While I agree with you about the 12 children of Margaret, I differ on the others. If I take David Middleton Edelen II's extensive list, including Peter Montgomery having three wives, I find the following. My grouping is according to the childrens' birth years and the marriage years that David assigns to the wives: First wife (name unknown): Mary, Francis and John Baptiste. Second wife (Catherine): James, Peter, Richard and Mary Magdalen. Third wife (Margaret): Basically your list. Comment David or Shirley? - Bye from Bill Howard -------------------------------------------------------------- On Apr 21, 2007, at 6:04 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Yes, Peter Montgomery had 6 children by his first wife, Catherine: > Francis, John Baptiste, Peter, Jr, James Ignatius, Richard and Mary > Magdalena > and 12 children by his second wife, Margaret: > Joseph, Mary Ellen, Susannah, William P., Elisha I, Margaret, > Elisha II, Ignatius, Benjamin, Charles, Anne Mary and James Henry. > > Neither of the wives maiden names have ever been proven. > > The Peter Montgomery line was extensively studied and researched > for 40 years by Natalie Montgomery Baker (who was the *Linda Reno* > of Daviess Co, IN). All of her files on the Montgomerys are on > microfilm in the LDS library. I visited with Natalie yesterday in > the nursing home, she's 83, but her mind is still sharp as a tack. > One only has to study the wills to confirm her research. > > Shirley

Nope. In the will abstracts, the proven date is given as 2 May 1677, but that is rather obviously an error. It is among other abstracts for May 1678. I think he appears in the archives after May 1677, but I could be wrong. I no longer have in my notes the years he served in the legislature and the new search engine for the archives is a stone cold bummer to find anything. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > Wasn't his will dated: 3/5/1677 and probated 5/25/1677? > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "D Michael Johnson" <[email protected]> > >> Here is a little something I've put together from number a number of various >> sources. Hope I haven't got people mixed up. >> >> Zachary Wade was born about 1627 in probably Warwickshire, England. He died >> in 1678. >> >> Zachary Wade settled in Maryland in 1641 as a servant of Mistress Margaret >> Brent. He was employed by Col. Giles Brent at Kent Fort Manor on Kent >> Island, Maryland. He remained on the island after the Brents were ejected in >> a land dispute by Col. Robert Claiborne in 1644 and then returned to the >> Brent's service after Claiborne was ejected in his turn in 1647. >> >> Wade's Point, on Eastern Bay, below Claiborne, is so called from its first >> owner Zachary Wade, one of Claiborne's Kent Island colonists, who crossed >> over from Kent Island to Talbot in 1758 and took up a tract of 400 acres >> (1.6 km2) upon which he settled. >> >> He later lived at Newton, St. Mary's County and served as Margaret Brent's >> steward at St. Gabriel Manor in St. Mary's County. He was settled by 1661 on >> land near the mouth of the Pomonkey Creek in Charles County that he bought >> from Winganatto, King of the Nanjemoys. >> >> He became a lawyer. He was a member of the Maryland Assembly and served as >> sheriff and justice of Charles County. He was sent by the Assembly on a >> mission by ship, probably to Virginia, to procure a copy of the statutes of >> England. >> >> He held more tha 5,100 acres of land in Queen Anne's, Talbot, Charles, and >> Prince George's County. He was married to Mary Hatton. >> >> Cheers, Michael >> Kent Island, Maryland >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message