What I have is this: "In Higdon Newsletter # 268, there are two interesting items on Margaret, the second wife of Peter Montgomery. This information was submitted and transcribed by a Rosemary Smith Dawood who lived in Chicago, IL at the time but who I understand currently lives in Scottsdale, AR She notes that Katherine Unknown the first wife of Peter Montgomery died prior to 1737 and Peter married Margaret Unknown. Twelve children including two sets of twins were born to Peter and Margaret. On June 26, 1739, Susannah Montgomery was born, she married an Unknown Higdon and was living in 1773 at the time her mother, Margaret wrote her will." from Bob Alvey and the 1773 will of Margaret Montgomery. Is Bob Alvey still doing genealogy -- is he on this list? Anyone know anything about Rosemary Smith Dawood? Shirley P. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] The Montgomery line, Peter's wives, etc.. Does any one have any source for the name Catherine and Margaret for Peter's wives? It is possible that Peter is given a second wife "Catherine" because a Catherine Montgomery appears in the probate of George Parker of Calvert County. If so, that can't be correct, as she was the wife of Hugh Montgomery. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Middleton Edelen II" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: [MDCHARLE] The Montgomery line, Peter's wives, etc.. > Hello Shirley and all, > Up to B.F.Montgomery, it was just oral family stuff, but > prooved it later with info from other people and sources like the censu of > 1850 that is in my Montgomery file. In fact I just sent the file to you. Let > me know what you think. You will see in it a note where I say I got the > other info mainly from the Clan Montgomery website and from General Arthur > E. Montgomery, Retired, my 2nd cousin "once removed", or in other words my > dad's 2nd cousin. I and Arthur's kids are 3rd cousins I reckon. Anyway, his > info mostly came from him mom who researched for years, Grace Elsie May > (Montgomery) Brown. > I have read, heard, and recieved much interesting info > pertaining to our Montgomery family in places like the Clan Montgomery > website, various discussion forums, relatives and fellow genealogical > researchers. I hardily give my thanks to all. One of which was Joyce Bennet > who lives in Charles County, Md. who was kind and gracious enough to get out > and drive around and go look at some cemeteries for me. Thus the tombstone > inscriptions for John, James H. Mont, Sr., and James H. Mont, Jr., and > Benjamin Montgomery down below. My cousin Anne Tubman Gardiner of Charles > Co., Md. said the Montgomerys' home place in Charles Co., Md. was "Mt. > Eagle", in or near Bryantown, Md.., and that Benjamin F. Montgomery is > buried near his parents in St. Mary's cemetary there. That was proven > correct by Mrs. Joyce Bennet. > Off and on through the last few years I have gotten bits and > pieces of info from some of y'all, which I dearly appreciate. Remember, I > just put my family files together for my immediate family, so as to give > them an idea of their lines, their people. I am no professional. > As far as Peter having three wives, etc., according to Mike > Clark Peter married first one and then the other of two sisters. The one was > Margaret and the other was Catherine. But it is not known which was first or > second or by whom all the kids are from. Since Margaret and Catherine were > sisters it really doesn't matter; they were still of the same bloodline. > Read the various notes and all in my Montgomery file. They > tell a bit of info as to where I got this or that from, or from what > individual, etc., and some of it is about the wives and kids, etc.. If he > infact married three sisters as I was told, then it is entirely possible > that he could have 19 children. > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:33 AM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > > >> David, thank you for the info below--I will add this to my files... >> >> I have to admit I am getting awfully confused because I know Natalie Baker >> worked so hard for so many years on the Montgomerys, and I'm wondering if >> any "real" new information has showed up that changes her findings...or is >> all of this just conjecture? What was the justification or proof that >> Peter had three wives? >> >> Doesn't it seem strange to you that Peter did not mention all of his >> children in his will; or Margaret either for that matter? >> >> Is the information you have solely based on oral family history--or is >> anything documented? >> >> I wish I knew how we could see copies of the writings in that Bible that >> Mary Ellen Blandford has from Zachariah Montgomery. >> >> Shirley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:55 PM >> Subject: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents >> >> >> Hey Shirley, >> Here is an excerpt from my file showing that family, 1st and >> 2nd >> wife of B. Franklin Montgomery's father, and both sets of kids: >> ---------------------------------------------- >> >> V. JAMES HENRY MONTGOMERY, SR., B. 1812 in Charles County, MD.--D. >> 8/21/1897 >> in Charles County, Md. Buried in St. Mary's Cath. Cemetery in Bryantown, >> Md.. >> At his and his son J.H.M., Jr's grave, and near Benj. F. Montgomery's, is >> a >> marker put there by his granddaughter. It reads: "Montgomery, James Henry >> Sr., >> grandfather, 1812-1897; James Henry Jr., father, 1847-1906, placed by >> Susanne M. >> Greer, 1967." >> -M- Married in Charles Co. on 2/4/1834 in Charles Co., >> Md.. >> JANE E. BERRY(1st Wife), B. abt. 1814 Charles County, MD.--D. 1847 in >> Charles County, MD.. Daughter of John Nally Berry and Mildred Robey. >> ISSUE: >> 1. Richard Seaton Montgomery, b. 1836/37. >> 2. Robert Mongomery, b. January 20, 1840 (Was this the other Richard in >> the 1850 >> census below?). >> 3. Mary Catherine Montgomery, b. September 14, 1839/40. >> 4. Sarah Priscilla Montgomery, b. 7/1841--d.4/29/1909. Baptised >> 4/26/1843.-m-John Thomas Langley on 1/10/1860. Issue: (A) Thomas Albert >> Langly >> (10/27/1865), (B) Rebecca Lula Langley (8/1/1867), (C) Cora Mae Langley >> (3/6/1886). >> 5. *Benjamin Franklin Montgomery, b. 10/1/1844 in Charles County, Md.--d. >> 1/4/1883 in Charles County, MD.-m-Anne Jane Gilmore, 3/30/1850--d. >> 4/7/1934 (See >> below). >> 6. James Henry Montgomery, Jr., b. 1847 in Md.., (see tombstone >> inscription >> above). >> >> NOTE: Notice Benj. Franklin Montgomery listed in the census below as >> Franklin: >>>From 1850 Census of Charles County, Maryland: >> >> 292a-10 1288 Montgomery James H.------32 M W Farmer MD Bryantown >> 292a-11 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------23 F W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-12 1288 Montgomery Richard--------13 M W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-13 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------11 F W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-14 1288 Montgomery Priscilla---------9 F W --- MD Bryantown >> *292a-15 1288 Montgomery Franklin--------7 M W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-16 1288 Montgomery Richard---------6 M W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-17 1288 Montgomery James-----------3 M W --- MD Bryantown >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 2nd Wife of James Henry Montgomery, Sr. (I have seen it written that this >> was >> the first wife of J.A. M, Sr.): >> MARY ELIZABETH ANN HOSICKS, b. 1/13/1827 in Md.--d. 2/26/1897. They were >> married >> on 4/11/1850 in Washington, D.C.. >> issue: (Info given by Mike Clark of Minessota >> 1. John William Montgomery, (4/1/1851) >> 2. Robert Daniel Montgomery (1/17/1853) >> 3. Thomas B. Montgomery (1856) >> 4. James or Joseph Benidict Montgomery (2/5/1859). >> 5. Alexander Columbus Montgomery 7/17/1861) >> 6. George Washington Montgomery (6/5/1866) >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> I hope this is of some interest or help to you. I find it all >> fascinating. I have always wondered, since my other Maryland ancestors >> did, if >> Benj. Franklin Montgomery fought during the Civil War? He would have been >> 20 >> years old in 1864. I wish I was up "yonder way", I'd go to the archives >> and find >> out. 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No shirley you would have to look at the records. I found 10 William Wilkinson's listed in his book. I knew mine by a notation "of St. Mary's County" John S Wilkinson Rome, NY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SHIRLEY MOLLER Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade Oh, OK, can you tell us which applies to what Zachariah. Thanks, Shirley Middleton Moller ----- Original Message ----- From: "John S Wilkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > These are three different Zackary Wades. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of SHIRLEY MOLLER > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > > > How can one Immigrate and be transported? Can't..... > Shirley Middleton Moller > > Wade, Zachary Liber 2 Folio 575 Transported 1655. > > Supplement by Carson Gibbs. > Page 228 > Wade, Zackary > Qo:242 SR8189 > Immigrated by 1658 with his wife & Comelius Haggon > Transcript. Q:371 [SR7345] > > Wade, Zackary > 5:127 SR7347 > [Immigrated] by 1662 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From the book: III. USING THE INDEX As has been previously indicated, this is a selective index. It refers to the names of persons who came into Maryland with the intent of settling there, whether they furnished their own transportation or whether someone else provided it. There are a few instances, however, where the person indexed claimed the right to take up land by virtue of the fact that he had furnished the transportation of others to the Colony, but apparently did not intend to stay himself. Liber and folio, of course, are the Latin words for book and page. Certain words that recur frequently in the "Remarks" column have a special meaning as used in this index. "Immigrated," means the individual furnished his own transportation to Maryland, while "transported" means that someone other than the person indexed paid for his passage. Quite often a person "transported" is also described as a "servant," which means that he had contracted to repay the cost of his transportation by agreeing to act as a servant for a period of years. Under certain of the Conditions of Plantation, a servant was entitled to claim fifty acres of land upon completing his period of servitude satisfactorily. Such claims are indicated by the word "service. " Gust Skordas Assistant Archivist State of Maryland Annapolis, Maryland February, 1968 John S Wilkinson Rome, NY -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bill Howard Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MDCHARLE] Immigrants vs Transportees I refer listees to the following section of the following URL. It refers to Wales but the terminology has been more broadly used. The URL is a site commonly used by genealogists: The URL is: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/RG/guide/Wales11.asp . Free emigrants. Beginning in the 1630s, emigrants left Wales to promote trade or set up military outposts and way stations for merchant ships. Later, free emigrants sought opportunity in a new land or fled poverty or oppression in Wales. . Assisted emigrants. From 1815 to 1900, qualified emigrants received passage money or land grants in the destination country as an alternative to receiving poor relief. After 1840 New Zealand and Australia offered money or land grants to skilled workers to encourage immigration. . Transported prisoners. More than 200,000 criminals were conditionally pardoned, exiled, and transported to penal colonies before 1870. Before 1775 over 50,000 prisoners were sent to America, primarily to Virginia and Maryland. From 1788 to 1869 over 160,000 prisoners were sent to Australia. Q.E.D. - Bye from Bill Howard On Apr 22, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Peter T. Thompson wrote: > Hi list. > I don't think this distinction between immigrated and transported is > correct (see below). I think immigrate refers to those who paid their > own passage to come as opposed to those whose passage was paid for by > someone else, either willingly or otherwise. > The Conditions for Land Grants under Baltimore's government has a rich > history. (For a quick summary see "The Flowering of the Maryland > Palatinate" by Harry Wright Newman, starting at page 61. > (Incidentally in the next chapter he reviews "Hundreds".)) In the > early days of Maryland many, actually most, came as transportees and > had to work off their indentures under carefully defined contracts. > These people hadn't done anything wrong--they just agreed to work off > the cost of their passage. Under English inheritance laws generally > only the oldest son inherited the family lands. Younger sons who had > no means of support often indentured themselves to come to Maryland. > After they had "paid" for their service they were awarded land under > the"Conditions" terms. Very few transportees came to Maryland against > their will. After the Restoration many who had fought against the > Crown or were convicted of rebellion against the Crown (Jacobites for > example) or were otherwise "convicted" were forcibly transported to > some American colonies and especially to the Caribbean colonies of > England. (Remember Raphael Sabatini's "Captain Blood"?). > But my impression is that very few immigrants to Maryland were forced > to come. > Cheers, Pete > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Norma, the message must have been partially cut off by AOL, because I remember the prose part but not the descendancy? I hate using computers that are not mine, because I don't have access to files the way I do at home. Sorry if I have caused anyone more confusion!! Shirley P -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 2:57 AM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents Shirley, I assume you are referring to the long message posted by David Middleton Edelen, when you say in a message to Bill Howard that you haven't seen it. You replied to it, so I think you did see it. It had a great deal of prose at the beginning, then a descendant list for Peter, giving spouses, BMD dates for his children and other descendants. You mentioned birthdates of Francis and John Baptiste given in a Bible. What were those dates? Also, you mention Elisha I and Elisha II. Were those the persons David had born in 1743 and 1745? David shows a set of twins, Margaret and Elisha born 14 April 1743, both of whom died the same day. Then he shows another Elisha born 5 Apr 1745. David also showed Joseph and Mary born 12 Nov 1737 as Margaret's first born. Thank you for the information you have been posting. It is very useful! Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > David, thank you for the info below--I will add this to my files... > > I have to admit I am getting awfully confused because I know Natalie Baker > worked so hard for so many years on the Montgomerys, and I'm wondering if any > "real" new information has showed up that changes her findings...or is all of > this just conjecture? What was the justification or proof that Peter had > three wives? > > Doesn't it seem strange to you that Peter did not mention all of his children > in his will; or Margaret either for that matter? > > Is the information you have solely based on oral family history--or is > anything documented? > > I wish I knew how we could see copies of the writings in that Bible that Mary > Ellen Blandford has from Zachariah Montgomery. > > Shirley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:55 PM > Subject: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > > > Hey Shirley, > Here is an excerpt from my file showing that family, 1st and 2nd > wife of B. Franklin Montgomery's father, and both sets of kids: > ---------------------------------------------- > > V. JAMES HENRY MONTGOMERY, SR., B. 1812 in Charles County, MD.--D. 8/21/1897 > in Charles County, Md. Buried in St. Mary's Cath. Cemetery in Bryantown, Md.. > At his and his son J.H.M., Jr's grave, and near Benj. F. Montgomery's, is a > marker put there by his granddaughter. It reads: "Montgomery, James Henry Sr., > grandfather, 1812-1897; James Henry Jr., father, 1847-1906, placed by Susanne > M. > Greer, 1967." > -M- Married in Charles Co. on 2/4/1834 in Charles Co., Md.. > JANE E. BERRY(1st Wife), B. abt. 1814 Charles County, MD.--D. 1847 in > Charles County, MD.. Daughter of John Nally Berry and Mildred Robey. > ISSUE: > 1. Richard Seaton Montgomery, b. 1836/37. > 2. Robert Mongomery, b. January 20, 1840 (Was this the other Richard in the > 1850 > census below?). > 3. Mary Catherine Montgomery, b. September 14, 1839/40. > 4. Sarah Priscilla Montgomery, b. 7/1841--d.4/29/1909. Baptised > 4/26/1843.-m-John Thomas Langley on 1/10/1860. Issue: (A) Thomas Albert Langly > (10/27/1865), (B) Rebecca Lula Langley (8/1/1867), (C) Cora Mae Langley > (3/6/1886). > 5. *Benjamin Franklin Montgomery, b. 10/1/1844 in Charles County, Md.--d. > 1/4/1883 in Charles County, MD.-m-Anne Jane Gilmore, 3/30/1850--d. 4/7/1934 > (See > below). > 6. James Henry Montgomery, Jr., b. 1847 in Md.., (see tombstone inscription > above). > > NOTE: Notice Benj. Franklin Montgomery listed in the census below as Franklin: >>From 1850 Census of Charles County, Maryland: > > 292a-10 1288 Montgomery James H.------32 M W Farmer MD Bryantown > 292a-11 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------23 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-12 1288 Montgomery Richard--------13 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-13 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------11 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-14 1288 Montgomery Priscilla---------9 F W --- MD Bryantown > *292a-15 1288 Montgomery Franklin--------7 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-16 1288 Montgomery Richard---------6 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-17 1288 Montgomery James-----------3 M W --- MD Bryantown > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > 2nd Wife of James Henry Montgomery, Sr. (I have seen it written that this was > the first wife of J.A. M, Sr.): > MARY ELIZABETH ANN HOSICKS, b. 1/13/1827 in Md.--d. 2/26/1897. They were > married > on 4/11/1850 in Washington, D.C.. > issue: (Info given by Mike Clark of Minessota > 1. John William Montgomery, (4/1/1851) > 2. Robert Daniel Montgomery (1/17/1853) > 3. Thomas B. Montgomery (1856) > 4. James or Joseph Benidict Montgomery (2/5/1859). > 5. Alexander Columbus Montgomery 7/17/1861) > 6. George Washington Montgomery (6/5/1866) > ----------------------------------------- > > I hope this is of some interest or help to you. I find it all > fascinating. I have always wondered, since my other Maryland ancestors did, if > Benj. Franklin Montgomery fought during the Civil War? He would have been 20 > years old in 1864. I wish I was up "yonder way", I'd go to the archives and > find > out. 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Shirley, So Natalie M. Baker didn't have the birth date for the dau Mary Montgomery that is mentioned in her mother's will? To dau Mary Montgomery, bed sheets and covering Shirley Middleton Moller ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: [MDCHARLE] Montgomery, Elisha I, Elisha II > You mentioned birthdates of Francis and John Baptiste given in a Bible. > What > were those dates? > > Also, you mention Elisha I and Elisha II. Were those the persons David had > born > in 1743 and 1745? David shows a set of twins, Margaret and Elisha born 14 > April > 1743, both of whom died the same day. Then he shows another Elisha born 5 > Apr > 1745. > > > **** > > Of the 12 children I have for Peter and Margaret Montgomery, there were 2 > sets of twins: > > Mary Ellen and Joseph b. 12 Nov 1737 > Elisha I and Margaret b. 14 Apr 1743 > > **** > Joseph Montgomery m. Mary Ann Hagan and went to Washington Co, KY. I show > 8 children for them. > > Mary Ellen Montgomery m. James McAtee, and I show one son, Elisha (I > haven't researched this one yet) > > Susannah Montgomery b. 26 Jun 1739 m. Unknown Higdon > > Elisha Montgomery I 1743-1766 > > Margaret Montgomery m. Samuel Turner 18 Nov 1762 Trinity Parish, CC, and I > show 10 children. > > Elisha Montgomery II b. 5 Apr 1745; moved to Washington Co, KY; m. > Margaret Wheatley 1 Apr 1796.; > I show 3 children. > > Ignatius Montgomery 1746-1777 left a will, probated 13 Sept 1777 > > Benjamin Montgomery 1748 - 1777 left will probated 2 Sept 1777 > > Charles Montgomery b. 25 Jul 1750; d. 26 Apr 1809 in Washington Co, KY; m. > Mary Ann Elder 29 Jan 1787 CC, MD. I show 11 children. > > Anne Mary Montgomery b. 3 Apr 1752, d. aft 1777 (in brother's will) > > James Henry Montgomery b. 24 Jul 1754; Will written 30 Jul 1766; probated > 2 Sept 1777 > > Most of above information is from the LDS microfilm records of Natalie > Montgomery Baker; > Copyright 1987, Microfilmed 1997 Film #1255696 > > Shirley P > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > from AOL at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Shirley I would like to see a copy of what you found, since I am researching the Montgomery's too Thank you Tracey Jameson O'Leary -------------- Original message -------------- From: [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] John Baptist Edelen > > > Maybe me...Shirley Buckler YES, that's right! (Shirley P) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:29 AM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] John Baptist Edelen > > > > There's Shirley Warren, Shirley Middleton Moller and Shirley Platt...who's > > the fourth Shirley? > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 8:59 PM > > Subject: [MDCHARLE] John Baptist Edelen > > > > > > David, > > I found this in Mary Donnelly's "Charles County Maryland, My Colonial > > Ancestors, Plus Others", Page 201 : > > "Ann Helen Clements, the only child of Elizabeth Neale and Jacob Clements > > married John Baptist Edelen and was named as a sister in the will of her > > half-sister Elizabeth McAtee when she died in 1811." > > > > There is a John Baptist Montgomery. Found a Benjamin Montgomery b 1748, > > but > > no Benjamin Franklin. Peter Montgomery was born 1684 in France. He > > leased > > a tract of land near Bryantown from Joshua Guilbert. > > > > There is a list of the children of Richard Edelen II and Sarah Hagan if > > you > > need it. > > > > Shirley Warren (I think there are four Shirleys on this list) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free > > from AOL at AOL.com. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL > at AOL.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I was just letting David know, that I was the one that sent hime the poem showing the Montgomery line from the Roman Gomericus Thank you Tracey O'Leary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "David Middleton Edelen II" <[email protected]> > Hey Shirley, > Here is an excerpt from my file showing that family, 1st and 2nd > wife of B. Franklin Montgomery's father, and both sets of kids: > ---------------------------------------------- > > V. JAMES HENRY MONTGOMERY, SR., B. 1812 in Charles County, MD.--D. 8/21/1897 > in Charles County, Md. Buried in St. Mary's Cath. Cemetery in Bryantown, Md.. > At his and his son J.H.M., Jr's grave, and near Benj. F. Montgomery's, is a > marker put there by his granddaughter. It reads: "Montgomery, James Henry Sr., > grandfather, 1812-1897; James Henry Jr., father, 1847-1906, placed by Susanne M. > Greer, 1967." > -M- Married in Charles Co. on 2/4/1834 in Charles Co., Md.. > JANE E. BERRY(1st Wife), B. abt. 1814 Charles County, MD.--D. 1847 in > Charles County, MD.. Daughter of John Nally Berry and Mildred Robey. > ISSUE: > 1. Richard Seaton Montgomery, b. 1836/37. > 2. Robert Mongomery, b. January 20, 1840 (Was this the other Richard in the 1850 > census below?). > 3. Mary Catherine Montgomery, b. September 14, 1839/40. > 4. Sarah Priscilla Montgomery, b. 7/1841--d.4/29/1909. Baptised > 4/26/1843.-m-John Thomas Langley on 1/10/1860. Issue: (A) Thomas Albert Langly > (10/27/1865), (B) Rebecca Lula Langley (8/1/1867), (C) Cora Mae Langley > (3/6/1886). > 5. *Benjamin Franklin Montgomery, b. 10/1/1844 in Charles County, Md.--d. > 1/4/1883 in Charles County, MD.-m-Anne Jane Gilmore, 3/30/1850--d. 4/7/1934 (See > below). > 6. James Henry Montgomery, Jr., b. 1847 in Md.., (see tombstone inscription > above). > > NOTE: Notice Benj. Franklin Montgomery listed in the census below as Franklin: > >From 1850 Census of Charles County, Maryland: > > 292a-10 1288 Montgomery James H.------32 M W Farmer MD Bryantown > 292a-11 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------23 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-12 1288 Montgomery Richard--------13 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-13 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------11 F W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-14 1288 Montgomery Priscilla---------9 F W --- MD Bryantown > *292a-15 1288 Montgomery Franklin--------7 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-16 1288 Montgomery Richard---------6 M W --- MD Bryantown > 292a-17 1288 Montgomery James-----------3 M W --- MD Bryantown > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > 2nd Wife of James Henry Montgomery, Sr. (I have seen it written that this was > the first wife of J.A. M, Sr.): > MARY ELIZABETH ANN HOSICKS, b. 1/13/1827 in Md.--d. 2/26/1897. They were married > on 4/11/1850 in Washington, D.C.. > issue: (Info given by Mike Clark of Minessota > 1. John William Montgomery, (4/1/1851) > 2. Robert Daniel Montgomery (1/17/1853) > 3. Thomas B. Montgomery (1856) > 4. James or Joseph Benidict Montgomery (2/5/1859). > 5. Alexander Columbus Montgomery 7/17/1861) > 6. George Washington Montgomery (6/5/1866) > ----------------------------------------- > > I hope this is of some interest or help to you. I find it all > fascinating. I have always wondered, since my other Maryland ancestors did, if > Benj. Franklin Montgomery fought during the Civil War? He would have been 20 > years old in 1864. I wish I was up "yonder way", I'd go to the archives and find > out. Let me know what you think. > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

I have a question about James Montgomery born 1716 - does anyone know who this Mary Middleton was? Who are her parents? I can guess but wonder if anyone has other information about her. Mary R. (Middleton) Simmons -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:29 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] AdditionalNotes on the Montgomery line For the benefit of those who don't already have this: *** From: A43031949 To: Plattshirl Shirl, I certainly do concur that James Montgomery, born 1716 in Charles County, died April 1, 1780, married to Mary Middleton, was the son of Peter Montgomery. Incidentally, probate record- will dated same year James died, showed he had been a private in the Charles County militia. LDS records indicate he was born in France but everything I have found point to birth in Charles County, where he died. (from Andy Montgomery) ****** Will of James Montgomery: Charles County, MD Wills 1780-1791 I, James Montgomery of CC, am sick and weak in body but of sounds and perfect memory. To my wife, Mary Montgomery, my dwelling house and plantation, and all the lands I am possessed with, during her natural life, and after her death, to my son, Bernard Montgomery, and if he dies without heirs, to Augustin Montgomery, and if they both die without heirs, the land to fall to my next youngest, so on to the next of them. To my son James Montgomery - 1 feather bed and covering, 1 heifer and 1 iron pot. To my daughter Catherine Montgomery - 1 feather bed and furniture, 1 heifer, and 1 Smoch (?) chest. To my wife Mary Montgomery- the rest of my personal estate, during her natural life, and after her death, to be equally divided among my children: Thomas, Bernard, Mary Ann, Elizabeth, Teresa, and Augustin. I want my daughters to live on sd lands if they choose, during their single lives. Executrix - my wife Mary Signed Dec 24, 1779 - James Montgomery. Wit: Edward Jenkins, Thomas Reeves, James Moreland Probated on Apr 1, 1780 by Mary Montgomery's oath. Then came Edward Jenkins and James Moreland, 2 of the witnesses, and made oath that they saw the testator sign and seal this Will. **** ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks john, will do. List, EARLY FAMILIES OF SOUTHERN MARYLAND VOL IV ZACHARIAH WADE Zachariah (Zachary, Zacharias) Wade, b ca 1627, age 34 in 1661 (MD); d ca 1677, came to Maryland as a servant in 1641. According to Jourdan if her info on Zachary is correct, the 3 Zachary's john mentioned cannot be Zachary Wade that died in 1677. Shirley Middleton Moller ----- Original Message ----- From: "John S Wilkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > No shirley you would have to look at the records. I found 10 William > Wilkinson's listed in his book. I knew mine by a notation "of St. Mary's > County" > > > John S Wilkinson Rome, NY > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of SHIRLEY MOLLER > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:20 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > > Oh, OK, can you tell us which applies to what Zachariah. > > Thanks, > Shirley Middleton Moller > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John S Wilkinson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 5:19 AM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > > >> These are three different Zackary Wades. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of SHIRLEY MOLLER >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:17 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade >> >> >> How can one Immigrate and be transported? Can't..... >> Shirley Middleton Moller >> >> Wade, Zachary Liber 2 Folio 575 Transported 1655. >> >> Supplement by Carson Gibbs. >> Page 228 >> Wade, Zackary >> Qo:242 SR8189 >> Immigrated by 1658 with his wife & Comelius Haggon >> Transcript. Q:371 [SR7345] >> >> Wade, Zackary >> 5:127 SR7347 >> [Immigrated] by 1662 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List: Check out National Geographic magazine this month for article regarding early settling of east coast and a great map! Lisa

To add to what has been posted on the subject, it may be useful to read the _Introduction to New Early Settlers of Maryland_ by Carson Gibb. http://www.msa.md.gov/msa/speccol/sc4300/sc4341/html/intro.html As he notes, the clerk's job was to see that the rights were assigned correctly, not how they were acquired. Rights could be bought and sold, so it is not unusual to find a person listed in one records as having immigrated [paid for themselves] and in another to have been transported [someone paid for their passage]. As for what is going on in the Zachary WADE situation, it is impossible to tell from just looking at Skordas, which is just an index. There could be one, two, or three men. The actual records have to be read for the details they contain. When the records are read, sometimes it is obvious that two listings apply to the same rights, as they will contain the same list of names. Other times the record may state the rights were assigned from someone else, who just may be the same person who previously requested land. I would be especially wary of the third one of "[immigrated] by 1662." I've found that when they use a "by" date, that it is often a right that has been reassigned [sold] that someone is using years later, of an immigration/transportation previously listed. Again, you need to read the record for the details. Rick Saunders http://genealogypro.com/fsaunders.html No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM

For early Maryland, you had two kinds of people. Immigrants, classified as such because they paid their own transportation. Transported didn't mean they were prisoners, it meant their transportation was paid by someone else. They came as indentured servants under contract for a certain number of years with the person who paid their fare. Linda Reno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Howard" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: [MDCHARLE] Immigrants vs Transportees I refer listees to the following section of the following URL. It refers to Wales but the terminology has been more broadly used. The URL is a site commonly used by genealogists: The URL is: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/RG/guide/Wales11.asp • Free emigrants. Beginning in the 1630s, emigrants left Wales to promote trade or set up military outposts and way stations for merchant ships. Later, free emigrants sought opportunity in a new land or fled poverty or oppression in Wales. • Assisted emigrants. From 1815 to 1900, qualified emigrants received passage money or land grants in the destination country as an alternative to receiving poor relief. After 1840 New Zealand and Australia offered money or land grants to skilled workers to encourage immigration. • Transported prisoners. More than 200,000 criminals were conditionally pardoned, exiled, and transported to penal colonies before 1870. Before 1775 over 50,000 prisoners were sent to America, primarily to Virginia and Maryland. From 1788 to 1869 over 160,000 prisoners were sent to Australia. Q.E.D. - Bye from Bill Howard On Apr 22, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Peter T. Thompson wrote: > Hi list. > I don't think this distinction between immigrated and > transported is correct (see below). I think immigrate refers to > those who paid their own passage to come as opposed to those whose > passage was paid for by someone else, either willingly or otherwise. > The Conditions for Land Grants under Baltimore's government has a > rich history. (For a quick summary see "The Flowering of the Maryland > Palatinate" by Harry Wright Newman, starting at page 61. > (Incidentally in the next chapter he reviews "Hundreds".)) In the > early days of Maryland many, actually most, came as transportees and > had to work off their indentures under carefully defined contracts. > These people hadn't done anything wrong--they just agreed to work off > the cost of their passage. Under English inheritance laws generally > only the oldest son inherited the family lands. Younger sons who had > no means of support often indentured themselves to come to Maryland. > After they had "paid" for their service they were awarded land under > the"Conditions" terms. Very few transportees came to Maryland > against their will. After the Restoration many who had fought > against the Crown or were convicted of rebellion against the Crown > (Jacobites for example) or were otherwise "convicted" were forcibly > transported to some American colonies and especially to the Caribbean > colonies of England. (Remember Raphael Sabatini's "Captain Blood"?). > But my impression is that very few immigrants to Maryland were forced > to come. > Cheers, Pete > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

To Aanda Douglass, Hi !! With the Virginia records you mentioned there is a Dr. Gustavous Browne in Fauquier County, Va that goes back to Charles County. He was born 1778. In that family the parents were Dr. Gustavous Browne who maried Frances Fowke. They had a daughter Sarah who married Rev. James Scott of Prince William County, Virginia. Sarah had a sister Ann Browne that married 3rd husband Col. Samuel Hanson, Jr., son of Judge Samuel Hanson, Sr. and Elizabeth Story. That might help with your Scott family you mentioned.Tthere was a Francis Dade in Loudoun County, Va also. Marianne Dillow

Does any one have any source for the name Catherine and Margaret for Peter's wives? It is possible that Peter is given a second wife "Catherine" because a Catherine Montgomery appears in the probate of George Parker of Calvert County. If so, that can't be correct, as she was the wife of Hugh Montgomery. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Middleton Edelen II" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:10 AM Subject: [MDCHARLE] The Montgomery line, Peter's wives, etc.. > Hello Shirley and all, > Up to B.F.Montgomery, it was just oral family stuff, but > prooved it later with info from other people and sources like the censu of > 1850 that is in my Montgomery file. In fact I just sent the file to you. Let > me know what you think. You will see in it a note where I say I got the > other info mainly from the Clan Montgomery website and from General Arthur > E. Montgomery, Retired, my 2nd cousin "once removed", or in other words my > dad's 2nd cousin. I and Arthur's kids are 3rd cousins I reckon. Anyway, his > info mostly came from him mom who researched for years, Grace Elsie May > (Montgomery) Brown. > I have read, heard, and recieved much interesting info > pertaining to our Montgomery family in places like the Clan Montgomery > website, various discussion forums, relatives and fellow genealogical > researchers. I hardily give my thanks to all. One of which was Joyce Bennet > who lives in Charles County, Md. who was kind and gracious enough to get out > and drive around and go look at some cemeteries for me. Thus the tombstone > inscriptions for John, James H. Mont, Sr., and James H. Mont, Jr., and > Benjamin Montgomery down below. My cousin Anne Tubman Gardiner of Charles > Co., Md. said the Montgomerys' home place in Charles Co., Md. was "Mt. > Eagle", in or near Bryantown, Md.., and that Benjamin F. Montgomery is > buried near his parents in St. Mary's cemetary there. That was proven > correct by Mrs. Joyce Bennet. > Off and on through the last few years I have gotten bits and > pieces of info from some of y'all, which I dearly appreciate. Remember, I > just put my family files together for my immediate family, so as to give > them an idea of their lines, their people. I am no professional. > As far as Peter having three wives, etc., according to Mike > Clark Peter married first one and then the other of two sisters. The one was > Margaret and the other was Catherine. But it is not known which was first or > second or by whom all the kids are from. Since Margaret and Catherine were > sisters it really doesn't matter; they were still of the same bloodline. > Read the various notes and all in my Montgomery file. They > tell a bit of info as to where I got this or that from, or from what > individual, etc., and some of it is about the wives and kids, etc.. If he > infact married three sisters as I was told, then it is entirely possible > that he could have 19 children. > Dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:33 AM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents > > >> David, thank you for the info below--I will add this to my files... >> >> I have to admit I am getting awfully confused because I know Natalie Baker >> worked so hard for so many years on the Montgomerys, and I'm wondering if >> any "real" new information has showed up that changes her findings...or is >> all of this just conjecture? What was the justification or proof that >> Peter had three wives? >> >> Doesn't it seem strange to you that Peter did not mention all of his >> children in his will; or Margaret either for that matter? >> >> Is the information you have solely based on oral family history--or is >> anything documented? >> >> I wish I knew how we could see copies of the writings in that Bible that >> Mary Ellen Blandford has from Zachariah Montgomery. >> >> Shirley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:55 PM >> Subject: [MDCHARLE] Bej. F. Mongtomery's parents >> >> >> Hey Shirley, >> Here is an excerpt from my file showing that family, 1st and >> 2nd >> wife of B. Franklin Montgomery's father, and both sets of kids: >> ---------------------------------------------- >> >> V. JAMES HENRY MONTGOMERY, SR., B. 1812 in Charles County, MD.--D. >> 8/21/1897 >> in Charles County, Md. Buried in St. Mary's Cath. Cemetery in Bryantown, >> Md.. >> At his and his son J.H.M., Jr's grave, and near Benj. F. Montgomery's, is >> a >> marker put there by his granddaughter. It reads: "Montgomery, James Henry >> Sr., >> grandfather, 1812-1897; James Henry Jr., father, 1847-1906, placed by >> Susanne M. >> Greer, 1967." >> -M- Married in Charles Co. on 2/4/1834 in Charles Co., >> Md.. >> JANE E. BERRY(1st Wife), B. abt. 1814 Charles County, MD.--D. 1847 in >> Charles County, MD.. Daughter of John Nally Berry and Mildred Robey. >> ISSUE: >> 1. Richard Seaton Montgomery, b. 1836/37. >> 2. Robert Mongomery, b. January 20, 1840 (Was this the other Richard in >> the 1850 >> census below?). >> 3. Mary Catherine Montgomery, b. September 14, 1839/40. >> 4. Sarah Priscilla Montgomery, b. 7/1841--d.4/29/1909. Baptised >> 4/26/1843.-m-John Thomas Langley on 1/10/1860. Issue: (A) Thomas Albert >> Langly >> (10/27/1865), (B) Rebecca Lula Langley (8/1/1867), (C) Cora Mae Langley >> (3/6/1886). >> 5. *Benjamin Franklin Montgomery, b. 10/1/1844 in Charles County, Md.--d. >> 1/4/1883 in Charles County, MD.-m-Anne Jane Gilmore, 3/30/1850--d. >> 4/7/1934 (See >> below). >> 6. James Henry Montgomery, Jr., b. 1847 in Md.., (see tombstone >> inscription >> above). >> >> NOTE: Notice Benj. Franklin Montgomery listed in the census below as >> Franklin: >>>From 1850 Census of Charles County, Maryland: >> >> 292a-10 1288 Montgomery James H.------32 M W Farmer MD Bryantown >> 292a-11 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------23 F W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-12 1288 Montgomery Richard--------13 M W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-13 1288 Montgomery Mary-----------11 F W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-14 1288 Montgomery Priscilla---------9 F W --- MD Bryantown >> *292a-15 1288 Montgomery Franklin--------7 M W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-16 1288 Montgomery Richard---------6 M W --- MD Bryantown >> 292a-17 1288 Montgomery James-----------3 M W --- MD Bryantown >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> 2nd Wife of James Henry Montgomery, Sr. (I have seen it written that this >> was >> the first wife of J.A. M, Sr.): >> MARY ELIZABETH ANN HOSICKS, b. 1/13/1827 in Md.--d. 2/26/1897. They were >> married >> on 4/11/1850 in Washington, D.C.. >> issue: (Info given by Mike Clark of Minessota >> 1. John William Montgomery, (4/1/1851) >> 2. Robert Daniel Montgomery (1/17/1853) >> 3. Thomas B. Montgomery (1856) >> 4. James or Joseph Benidict Montgomery (2/5/1859). >> 5. Alexander Columbus Montgomery 7/17/1861) >> 6. George Washington Montgomery (6/5/1866) >> ----------------------------------------- >> >> I hope this is of some interest or help to you. I find it all >> fascinating. I have always wondered, since my other Maryland ancestors >> did, if >> Benj. Franklin Montgomery fought during the Civil War? He would have been >> 20 >> years old in 1864. I wish I was up "yonder way", I'd go to the archives >> and find >> out. Let me know what you think. >> Dave >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body >> of >> the message >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free >> from AOL at AOL.com. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I refer listees to the following section of the following URL. It refers to Wales but the terminology has been more broadly used. The URL is a site commonly used by genealogists: The URL is: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/RG/guide/Wales11.asp • Free emigrants. Beginning in the 1630s, emigrants left Wales to promote trade or set up military outposts and way stations for merchant ships. Later, free emigrants sought opportunity in a new land or fled poverty or oppression in Wales. • Assisted emigrants. From 1815 to 1900, qualified emigrants received passage money or land grants in the destination country as an alternative to receiving poor relief. After 1840 New Zealand and Australia offered money or land grants to skilled workers to encourage immigration. • Transported prisoners. More than 200,000 criminals were conditionally pardoned, exiled, and transported to penal colonies before 1870. Before 1775 over 50,000 prisoners were sent to America, primarily to Virginia and Maryland. From 1788 to 1869 over 160,000 prisoners were sent to Australia. Q.E.D. - Bye from Bill Howard On Apr 22, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Peter T. Thompson wrote: > Hi list. > I don't think this distinction between immigrated and > transported is correct (see below). I think immigrate refers to > those who paid their own passage to come as opposed to those whose > passage was paid for by someone else, either willingly or otherwise. > The Conditions for Land Grants under Baltimore's government has a > rich history. (For a quick summary see "The Flowering of the Maryland > Palatinate" by Harry Wright Newman, starting at page 61. > (Incidentally in the next chapter he reviews "Hundreds".)) In the > early days of Maryland many, actually most, came as transportees and > had to work off their indentures under carefully defined contracts. > These people hadn't done anything wrong--they just agreed to work off > the cost of their passage. Under English inheritance laws generally > only the oldest son inherited the family lands. Younger sons who had > no means of support often indentured themselves to come to Maryland. > After they had "paid" for their service they were awarded land under > the"Conditions" terms. Very few transportees came to Maryland > against their will. After the Restoration many who had fought > against the Crown or were convicted of rebellion against the Crown > (Jacobites for example) or were otherwise "convicted" were forcibly > transported to some American colonies and especially to the Caribbean > colonies of England. (Remember Raphael Sabatini's "Captain Blood"?). > But my impression is that very few immigrants to Maryland were forced > to come. > Cheers, Pete >

I just saw the 1677 dates in the Maryland Calandar of Wills. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Norma Lundgren" <[email protected]> > Nope. In the will abstracts, the proven date is given as 2 May 1677, but that is > rather obviously an error. It is among other abstracts for May 1678. I think he > appears in the archives after May 1677, but I could be wrong. I no longer have > in my notes the years he served in the legislature and the new search engine for > the archives is a stone cold bummer to find anything. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:38 PM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > > > > Wasn't his will dated: 3/5/1677 and probated 5/25/1677? > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "D Michael Johnson" > > > >> Here is a little something I've put together from number a number of various > >> sources. Hope I haven't got people mixed up. > >> > >> Zachary Wade was born about 1627 in probably Warwickshire, England. He died > >> in 1678. > >> > >> Zachary Wade settled in Maryland in 1641 as a servant of Mistress Margaret > >> Brent. He was employed by Col. Giles Brent at Kent Fort Manor on Kent > >> Island, Maryland. He remained on the island after the Brents were ejected in > >> a land dispute by Col. Robert Claiborne in 1644 and then returned to the > >> Brent's service after Claiborne was ejected in his turn in 1647. > >> > >> Wade's Point, on Eastern Bay, below Claiborne, is so called from its first > >> owner Zachary Wade, one of Claiborne's Kent Island colonists, who crossed > >> over from Kent Island to Talbot in 1758 and took up a tract of 400 acres > >> (1.6 km2) upon which he settled. > >> > >> He later lived at Newton, St. Mary's County and served as Margaret Brent's > >> steward at St. Gabriel Manor in St. Mary's County. He was settled by 1661 on > >> land near the mouth of the Pomonkey Creek in Charles County that he bought > >> from Winganatto, King of the Nanjemoys. > >> > >> He became a lawyer. He was a member of the Maryland Assembly and served as > >> sheriff and justice of Charles County. He was sent by the Assembly on a > >> mission by ship, probably to Virginia, to procure a copy of the statutes of > >> England. > >> > >> He held more tha 5,100 acres of land in Queen Anne's, Talbot, Charles, and > >> Prince George's County. He was married to Mary Hatton. > >> > >> Cheers, Michael > >> Kent Island, Maryland > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >> in > >> the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Hi list. I don't think this distinction between immigrated and transported is correct (see below). I think immigrate refers to those who paid their own passage to come as opposed to those whose passage was paid for by someone else, either willingly or otherwise. The Conditions for Land Grants under Baltimore's government has a rich history. (For a quick summary see "The Flowering of the Maryland Palatinate" by Harry Wright Newman, starting at page 61. (Incidentally in the next chapter he reviews "Hundreds".)) In the early days of Maryland many, actually most, came as transportees and had to work off their indentures under carefully defined contracts. These people hadn't done anything wrong--they just agreed to work off the cost of their passage. Under English inheritance laws generally only the oldest son inherited the family lands. Younger sons who had no means of support often indentured themselves to come to Maryland. After they had "paid" for their service they were awarded land under the"Conditions" terms. Very few transportees came to Maryland against their will. After the Restoration many who had fought against the Crown or were convicted of rebellion against the Crown (Jacobites for example) or were otherwise "convicted" were forcibly transported to some American colonies and especially to the Caribbean colonies of England. (Remember Raphael Sabatini's "Captain Blood"?). But my impression is that very few immigrants to Maryland were forced to come. Cheers, Pete >Shirley et al, >I believe that if you immigrate, it's your choice to do so. >If you are transported, you have to go. The court sends you away >because you have done something wrong. A court process. >- Bye from Bill > >On Apr 21, 2007, at 5:16 PM, SHIRLEY MOLLER wrote: > >> How can one Immigrate and be transported? Can't..... >> Shirley Middleton Moller >> >> Wade, Zachary Liber 2 Folio 575 Transported 1655. >> >> Supplement by Carson Gibbs. >> Page 228 >> Wade, Zackary >> Qo:242 SR8189 >> Immigrated by 1658 with his wife & Comelius Haggon >> Transcript. Q:371 [SR7345] >> >> Wade, Zackary >> 5:127 SR7347 >> [Immigrated] by 1662 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDCHARLE- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > >"History is the consensus of survivors in authority" >"Reality is the weighted mean of individual perceptions" > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Peter T. Thompson White Horse Village email: [email protected] 535 Gradyville Road Department of Chemistry Newtown Square, PA Swarthmore College 19073 Swarthmore, PA 19081-1390 phone: 610-558-2167 fax: 610-328-7355

SETTLERS OF MARYLAND 1679-1783 Peter Wilsow Coldham Consolidated Edition page 64 Wade, Zachariah PG County Wade's Adventure 100 Acres 3 Sep 1728 PL7128; ILB/140 ( PL7 is Patents 640 pages 1727 -1730 on Microfilm SR7466, ILB is Certificates 508 pages 1723-1731 Microfilm SR7472) Hope this is of help! Mary Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:57 AM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > Sorry, his name is Gust Skordas. > Brenda > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 5:54 AM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > > > John, > I have heard but not actually read, that Zachary Wade is mentioned as an > Early > Settler of Maryland in Skorkas writings. What does it say exactly, or can > I find > it on a website? > > Brenda Williams > In illinois > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 6:24 AM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] John Francis Allen > > > There is no Harbin listed in the Early Settlers of Maryland" by Gust > Skordas > or the Supplement by Carson Gibb. The Maryland Probate records has a > Francis Harbin as owed a debt by Stephen Cary of Dorchester County on 10 > Apr > 1686. Francis is listed as a Captain in other abstracts. There was no will > or admin. accounts for Francis Harbin. > > John S Wilkinson Rome, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Betty H. Garbers > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] John Francis Allen > > > Dear List, > > I have been reading your very informative messages for awhile now. I have > been surprised that no one has mentioned the name Harbin or any > connections. > > William Harbin born about 1675 Yeovil, England was married to Alice in Md > by > > 1711 when he had a son named John born Aug 20, 1711. Prince George Co, > Queen > > Ann Parish, Died 01 May 1795, SC. John had two known wives Elizabeth Ann > Thomas born 1720 MD and Johanan Jones born abt 1716, PG Co, Queene Ann > Parish, MD, died 1736. He may have been married to a Catherine Allen Son > Elisha Harbin born 1722 PG Co, MD. He was married to an Elizabeth Allen. > Her father may have been a Thomas Allen. Elizabeth may have been a sister > to Catherine Allen mentioned above. > > Margaret Harbin born 1713 to William & Alice. She is > listed as being married to a Henry Cambron at The Hall of Records in > Baltimore, MD. I do not believe that Henry Cambron was married to this > Margaret Harbin. I have > found that the right Margaret Harbin may have been in abt 1758. Believe > Margaret Harbin and Henry Cambron were married about 1778 MD. They ended > up > > migrating to KY. > > Edward Villers Harbin was born 1731 PG Co, MD, with > wife Mary Villers. Edward Villers Harbin died abt 1804 NC. Edward Villers > Harbin married Lydia Darnell. They had a son Edward Villers Harbin born > abt > 1762. Have no wife listed for 1st marriage of Edward Villers Harbin JR. > He > was married the second time to Elizabeth Ann Howard in Shelby Co, IN, > when he was 72 years of age and they had five more children. > > Would appreciate hearing from anyone that is knowledgeable of this family. > > Williams other children Elizabeth, Johanna, William, James, Joshua. > > William Harbin 1675 & family lived at The Gleanings in MD. > > Betty Harbin Garbers > > > > >> On 19 Apr 2007 at 5:28, TIMOTHY AND JANET COX wrote: >> >>> So, you surmize that Permelia and John Francis may have been >>> siblings? >> >> Well, it depends on when your Permelia was born really, but there was >> a Permelia Allen aged 5 in the 1860 household headed by Francis Allen >> (Francis Allen household, 1860 U.S. census, Charles County, Maryland, >> population schedule, Hill Top District, Pisgah Post Office, page 74, >> dwelling 590, family 586, microfilm M653 (Washington: National >> Archives), reel 473). >> >> In 1870 there is a household headed by A. A. Allen that includes an M. >> P. Allen, female, aged 14 and a J. F. Allen, male, aged 9. (A. A. >> Allen household, 1870 U.S. census, Charles County, Maryland, >> population schedule, 1st District, Pisgah Post Office, page 36, >> dwelling 475, family 483, microfilm M593 (Washington: National >> Archives), reel 584). >> >> The John Francis Allen who was buried in Pisgah Methodist Cemetery was >> born 23 July 1860 (John Francis Allen cemetery marker, Pisgah >> Methodist Cemetery, Pisgah, Charles County, Maryland; Paula L. >> Wiegand, 16 May >> 2003) >> >> I would love to hear more about you lines as I am compiling a history >> of Pisgah (my adopted home) and her people. >> >> Paula >> -- >> Karl's Farm >> >> Naturally grown vegetables and free range eggs >> >> Ask me what's fresh today! >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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Hi, Shirley, It was an extensive list that Dave sent around earlier, and he has since commented to me that some of the children are suspect. I would prefer that David send the full list and the comment directly to you, since we have been told that long lists are to be avoided on this site. So, Dave, would you send the list and comment to Shirley Platt, please? - Thanks. - Bye from Bill Howard On Apr 22, 2007, at 2:25 AM, [email protected] wrote: > HI Bill, > > I don't think I have seen David's extensive list...can you forward > it, please? > > Shirley > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 7:21 PM > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Here's Montgomery line > > > Hi, Shirley, > > While I agree with you about the 12 children of Margaret, I differ on > the others. > If I take David Middleton Edelen II's extensive list, including Peter > Montgomery having three wives, I find the following. My grouping is > according to the childrens' birth years and the marriage years that > David assigns to the wives: > > First wife (name unknown): Mary, Francis and John Baptiste. > Second wife (Catherine): James, Peter, Richard and Mary Magdalen. > Third wife (Margaret): Basically your list. > > Comment David or Shirley? > - Bye from Bill Howard > --------------------------------------------------------------

Oh, OK, can you tell us which applies to what Zachariah. Thanks, Shirley Middleton Moller ----- Original Message ----- From: "John S Wilkinson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > These are three different Zackary Wades. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of SHIRLEY MOLLER > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MDCHARLE] Zachary Wade > > > How can one Immigrate and be transported? Can't..... > Shirley Middleton Moller > > Wade, Zachary Liber 2 Folio 575 Transported 1655. > > Supplement by Carson Gibbs. > Page 228 > Wade, Zackary > Qo:242 SR8189 > Immigrated by 1658 with his wife & Comelius Haggon > Transcript. Q:371 [SR7345] > > Wade, Zackary > 5:127 SR7347 > [Immigrated] by 1662 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message