This message didn't make it to the list. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Surname; CHARLES Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 14:37:38 -0600 From: S & V <suevince@harborside.com> To: mdcaroli-l-request@rootsweb.com Hello-- I have Isaac Charles in Tyrone Twp Fayette Co PA 1790 tax, census 100 acres of land b circa before 1750 or so. Wife's name is Mary (that is all I know about her from land Deeds) children; John and James no information. Elisha b circa 1780 married Elizabeth Ensley, Elijah Sr (my husbands 3drd ggrandfather) b 04 april 1774 PA or MD d 23 Aug 1821 in Richland Co Ohio, married Anna Stevenson b 23 Dec 1773 in Scotland or PA. children for Elijah and Anna, Sarah b 16 July 1798, Isaac b 05 Nov 1799, John b 23 Sep 1801, Mary "Polly" b 06 June 1803, Sameul b 05 Feb 1805, Nancy b 17 Nov 1808? , Elijah Jr b 03 June 1809, Elizabeth b 14 Sep 1811, Stevenson b 03 June 1813, and Ester b 16 July 1816. Isaac bought land in Allegheny Co PA Mar 1791 and I have him on deeds up to 1824 and then he is lost again. I know there are CHARLES' in Dorchester County and perhaps in Caroline and Somerset. If anyone out there can connect to this line please email me. Thanks, Sue Charles in Oregon

Hello-- I have Isaac Charles in Tyrone Twp Fayette Co PA 1790 tax, census 100 acres of land b circa before 1750 or so. Wife's name is Mary (that is all I know about her from land Deeds) children; John and James no information. Elisha b circa 1780 married Elizabeth Ensley, Elijah Sr (my husbands 3drd ggrandfather) b 04 april 1774 PA or MD d 23 Aug 1821 in Richland Co Ohio, married Anna Stevenson b 23 Dec 1773 in Scotland or PA. children for Elijah and Anna, Sarah b 16 July 1798, Isaac b 05 Nov 1799, John b 23 Sep 1801, Mary "Polly" b 06 June 1803, Sameul b 05 Feb 1805, Nancy b 17 Nov 1808? , Elijah Jr b 03 June 1809, Elizabeth b 14 Sep 1811, Stevenson b 03 June 1813, and Ester b 16 July 1816. Isaac bought land in Allegheny Co PA Mar 1791 and I have him on deeds up to 1824 and then he is lost again. I know there are CHARLES' in Dorchester County and perhaps Caroline and Somerset. If anyone out there can connect to this line please email me. Thanks, Sue Charles in Oregon

Hi Parker, Again: THANK YOU for sharing your knowledge of Caroline Co. I grew up in Greensboro, but now live in Texas. It's great to find knowledgeable people who will share the history of my ancestors who lived in my former home area. Have you made any connection between Henry Stubbs and the other Stubbs' who appear in the 1790 Census - Nicholas, John and William? I found Nicholas in Irma Harper 's book - "Heirs & Legates....", but no visible connection to Henry Stubbs and family. The Wheeler family that I am searching (at the present time she is my closest ancestor to be a stone wall) - on 16 Jan 1818 Sarah E. Wheeler (my paternal great grandmother) was born in Maryland (from my paternal grandmother's Bible). Her parents were born in Maryland. (census info) She married John M. Poore about 1842 (prob. in Kent Co., De. - their marriage is not in Caroline Co. records). They are living in Willow Grove, Kent Co., Del. in 1860 with 3 children, including my grandfather, John Marion Poore. They show up again in 1900 Census in North Murderkill Hund., Kent Co. Del, living with my grandparents. Sarah Wheeler Poore died 16 Aug 1905 (Bible records). She had born nine children - six living in 1900. I have records of 3 of those 6 children. I have studied the Wheeler family that you have on rootsweb - it does not appear to by my Wheeler family. I suspect that my Wheeler family was in rural Greensboro area. My "hunch" is because Sarah's son, John, bought property in Greensboro about 1915 and lived there the rest of his life. There is even a "Wheeler Road" in Greensboro now - close to where my grandparents lived. To me, a "hunch" is a place to start looking. Can you shed any light on other Wheeler's in Caroline Co.? Again, I deeply appreciate you sharing your expertise with me about my home area. Genevieve Bundy

Hi Genevieve, Actually, Caroline County was formed from parts of Queen Anne's and Dorchester Counties, not Talbot. The portion that came from Queen Anne's County was part of Talbot before 1706 when Queen Anne's was enacted. The Choptank River was the border between Dorchester & Talbot, then after 1706 the Choptank River was the division line between Dorchester and Talbot only as far as Tuckahoe Creek, this was the eastern border of Talbot County. Everything between the Tuckahoe and Choptank was in Queen Anne's County until Caroline County was formed. Dorchester was still bordered on the north by the Choptank River. As for the towns; Henderson, Ridgely, Goldsboro, Hillsboro would have been in Queen Anne's County had they existed then. Greensboro was on the line, part in Queen Anne's and part in Dorchester. Whiteleysburg, Hobbs, Burrsville, Concord (was Collins' Crossroads), Williston (was Potter's Landing), Harmony (was Fowling Creek), Bethlehem (was Willis' Crossroads), Preston (was Snow Hill and before that Hunting Creek), Smithville, Federalsburg and Hynson (was The Walnut Trees) would have all been in Dorchester. Also, almost all of Denton would have been in Dorchester. I haven't been able to determine where Henry Stubbs was from, there were Stubbs families in Kent Co., DE but I haven't found any proof yet that they were related to him. The Eaton and Frampton families were both from Talbot Co., MD The Waddell/Waddle family too came from Talbot but had settled in Dorchester (now Caroline) around Fowling and Hog Creeks in the 1730s +/-. The Wheelers were from Dorchester (around Cambridge, I think) and moved to what is now Caroline County in the 1760s or 70s. The Towers family is another that has been hard to trace positively before the Revolution. There is a mention of some of them in Queen Anne's County (probably now Tuckahoe Neck in Caroline County), but no proof to connect those to the latter Towers family. They lived in a broad band between Williston to almost Smithville, and Hobbs to Harmony, in other words they were spread out. Parker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genevieve" <genev@tisd.net> To: <MDCAROLI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:06 PM Subject: [MDCAROLI] pre 1773-4 County Boundaries > Again, Historians Help!! One question/answer leads to another. > > Caroline County was formed from parts of Queen Anne's County and > Dorchester County and a small part of Talbot County in 1773-4. > > QUESTION: Where was the line where Queen Anne's and Dorchester Counties > met - in relation to existing towns? > Where was the Talbot County area - in relation to existing towns? > > In other words, if I were searching for someone identified as living in > (taxed in) one of the three Districts of Caroline Co., in 1783 - What > County would I look in to search back for earlier family members? > > Again, my interest is in Henry Stubbs, and families Collison's, > Frampton's, Eaton's, Waddle, Towers, Wheeler's. > > Genevieve Bundy > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Again, Historians Help!! One question/answer leads to another. Caroline County was formed from parts of Queen Anne's County and Dorchester County and a small part of Talbot County in 1773-4. QUESTION: Where was the line where Queen Anne's and Dorchester Counties met - in relation to existing towns? Where was the Talbot County area - in relation to existing towns? In other words, if I were searching for someone identified as living in (taxed in) one of the three Districts of Caroline Co., in 1783 - What County would I look in to search back for earlier family members? Again, my interest is in Henry Stubbs, and families Collison's, Frampton's, Eaton's, Waddle, Towers, Wheeler's. Genevieve Bundy

Hello Everyone, First thing, I'd like to thank all of those who responded to my questions regarding the Whiteley family. The response was great! >From what I've learned (some things are documented, some not), William Whiteley (Whitley) and Anthony were brothers. The following is some of what I now have in my records: Arthur WHITELEY (emigrant from England) died in Dorchester Co, MD. His will was dated: Jan. 20, 1729, probated March 12, 1735.... he had (among others) ... Abraham Bing WHITELEY, b: abt. 1714, d: 1775, Easton, Talbot Co, MD (wife: Elizabeth ?) Their children were: Ann E., b: abt. 1750 Elizabeth, b: abt. 1752 Abraham Bing, Jr. b: abt. 1754 WILLIAM, b: abt. 1756, Caroline Co, MD; d: Aug. 15, 1816, md: Delitha (Tabitha?) ? ANTHONY, b: abt. 1758, Federalsburg, Caroline Co, MD; d: Dec. 13, 1823. Elizabeth, 1765-1839 <the Elizabeth, b: abt. 1752 must have died young?> Two of the Tests. for Arthur Whiteley's will were Arthur SMITH and Richard MANNING. We are fairly certain that Margaret ANDERSON (d: 1745) who was married 1) Arthur Smith; 2) Richard Manning was the sister of Thomas ANDERSON who was father of James & William ANDERSON (among others), Nicolites. So far, I've not been able to find a family connection between any of these people. Thanks, again, everyone. Marsha IL

Parker - Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge of early Caroline County. I deeply appreciate it. Genevieve Bundy

Hello, all. I've owed this update for quite some time, having received the results of my latest DNA testing back in February. However, due to being busy with other responsibilities, going on two out-of-state trips, and some good old-time procrastination, I am just now getting this update sent out. (Also, as I'll explain in a moment, the discouraging results of the testing did not exactly provide much enthusiasm for following up). As a re-cap to bring everyone up-to-speed (if interested), I've attached my previous message below, which outlines the process leading up to the latest results. The latest DNA tests involved bringing in another test subject, Mike Hardcastle, for comparison against Tom Hardcastle and myself, since the previous test indicated that Tom and I were not connected within the specified number of generations that the oral family history, etc had indicated. By testing Mike's DNA against the DNA of Tom and myself, this could help establish whether or not there might be an error in Tom's lineage versus my own. The outcome of the latest test--on Mike's DNA--was expected to provide one of three results: 1. If Mike matched Tom*, but not me, then this would--for all intents and purposes--"prove" that I was most likely not a biological Hardcastle. 2. If Mike matched me*, but not Tom, then it would indicate that Tom likely had an "illegitimacy" or flawed lineage in his paternal line, and that he was therefore likely not a biological Hardcastle. 3. If Mike matched neither me NOR Tom*, then we would be back at square one, indicating an "illegitimacy" or flawed lineage would have occurred in any TWO or all THREE of our lines. (And we would then be beset with the option of getting yet ANOTHER Hardcastle test subject for further comparison). * [within the specified number of generations] Well, can you guess which one of the above was the result?? You got it: #3. The results stated that the probability of a shared common ancestor between myself and either Tom or Mike was "very very low," and that the probability of a shared common ancestor between Tom and Mike was "very low" with a separation of somewhere between 42 and 154 generations, with an average likely separation of approximately 93 generations. (As compared to the expected 17 generations). So, at this point, there is no conclusive evidence one way or another. Anyway, I just thought I'd send this one, for anyone who may have been curious about the outcome. Thanks, John -----Original Message----- From: John C. Carter [SMTP:spiff@atlantic.net] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:44 AM To: 'Mitsawokett List' Cc: 'Hicks, David'; 'Carter, Jim & Susan'; 'Schroeder, Evelyn'; 'Harkins, Kathleen'; 'Gundersen, Janet & Matt'; 'Carter, Perry & Meronig'; 'LOWER-DELMARVA-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com'; 'MDCAROLI-L@rootsweb.com'; 'DEKENT-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: DNA / Molecular Genealogy: my quest to connect! Hello. For those of you who may remember our discussion a few months ago (on the Mitsawokett list--I'm cc'ing a couple of other lists and individuals as well) about DNA testing being used in genealogy, I thought I might give you an update on my efforts. Some of you are familiar with my quest, but for the others I'll provide a little background: My great-grandfather Hopewell U. Carter Sr. was an illegitimate child, son of Elizabeth Carty, who changed her name to Carter around the time that she relocated from Caroline County, MD (where Hopewell was born) to Kent County, DE. The family stories always stated that his biological father was "a wealthy Dr. Hardcastle" in Caroline County, and there were continued connections with the family for several years afterward. One story mentioned how my Great Aunt Agnes named one of her daughters Doris after a Doris Hardcastle in the family. Another story told of a family member who had joined the service, only to be disheartened and desiring to leave, and the family implored upon the Hardcastle family's connections to successfully achieve the serviceman's discharge. (I have never been able to determine who this serviceman was). There were also tales of a connection to the Boggs family in the Cheswold area (the family from which J. Caleb Boggs hailed from, former U.S. Senator and Governor of Delaware), and research showed that J. Caleb Boggs' paternal grandmother had been a Hardcastle prior to her marriage, and that she was indeed descended from the same Hardcastle family of Caroline County, MD. Anyway, I learned of these stories in the mid-late 1970's when I first began my genealogy, and by 1990, when I finally got around to ordering Hopewell Sr's death certificate, the story seemed to be slightly substantiated by its listing his father as "Alexander Carter." By this time, I had long since discovered a Dr. Alexander Hardcastle in close proximity to the Carty / Carter residence in Caroline County, MD, and had already suspected him as being Hopewell's biological father. My suspicion as to why the father was listed as "Alexander Carter" on the death certificate instead of "Alexander Hardcastle" was either: 1) the family informant(s) gave the last name of Carter to avoid the stigma of his having been illegitimate, or 2) upon being questioned for the father's name the informant(s) simply replied "Alexander" and the note-taker assumed the surname would be Carter. At any rate, it seemed clear that Dr. Alexander Hardcastle must have been the "culprit." For many years I had worked on researching the Hardcastle family and had corresponded with other Hardcastle researchers, always feeling an absence or a loss that I had no proof of this connection, although the family stories seemed to make it true. This particular line in my genealogy always seemed to be an extra burden to me, as it was my paternal line (my father's father's father, etc), and that my own last name might have been Hardcastle under other circumstances. If only there were a way to prove the connection. Little did I know that one day science would come up with a method which might be used to bridge the gap! That method was DNA testing. Some of you may be familiar with the story of Thomas Jefferson's purported offspring borne by the family servant Sally Hemmings, and how the Hemmings family descendants had long sought acceptance by the Jefferson Society as being true descendants of Thomas Jefferson, over the objections of detracting members. Eventually, DNA testing was called upon in an effort to try to resolve the controversy. During the mid-1990's another fellow Hardcastle researcher (named Tom Hardcastle) and I had discussed the story, and wondered whether such a test might eventually be available (and affordable) to the general public, and whether we might employ such a test in my efforts to prove that Hopewell Carter, Sr. was indeed the son of Dr. Alexander Hardcastle. The type of DNA test conducted on the Jefferson - Hemmings descendants is called a Y-chromosome test. The Y-chromosome is carried down by males, only, and such a test can only be used when the desired path is through a "male line" in a family (such as from great-grandfather to grandfather to father to son, for example). Examining the DNA in the Y-chromosome in two male subjects can show whether the two are descended from a common male ancestor, and can estimate the number of generations that separate the connection between the two. Since my fellow Hardcastle researcher was both a male and a Hardcastle (i.e., he had Hardcastle as a surname, indicating he is the son of a Hardcastle who was the son of a Hardcastle who was the son of a Hardcastle, etc, etc), and since we knew the exact purported connection (common male ancestor) between his branch of the Hardcastles and mine, we would be ideal subjects for a Y-chromosome test. Thus, it just became a matter of finding a lab to conduct the test. (Or so we thought). Early inquiries to genetic laboratories, even as recent as a year and a half ago, proved to be disappointing, as the costs were upward of $400 per sample to conduct such a test. As eager as I was to find proof of the connection, this was just too expensive for my budget! (Also, I had told my "cousin" Tom that if we ever found a lab to perform the tests that I would pay for them, since it was MY branch which needed substantiating, not his). Then, in January 2001, I heard (and it was discussed on this list) about the BYU (Brigham Young University) project entitled Molecular Genealogy, and how they were collecting DNA samples on an enormous scale, making stops in particular cities and locations all over the world, and taking samples from volunteers. One of the stops was near me in Florida, and others were in the Philadelphia and Maryland areas, prompting the list discussion in early 2001. The project was detailed in an article in my local newspaper, in a weekly genealogy column. BYU's eventual goal was to collect enough samples to be able to study worldwide migration patterns, and work toward methods of further using DNA to trace genetic ancestry, beyond the Y-chromosome DNA method (and the Mitochondrial DNA method*). * The Mitochondrial DNA method is another form of DNA testing which is also becoming more commonly used. Mitochondrial DNA is passed down from mothers to all their children, but is only carried forward by daughters. This type of testing can be used to test a strictly maternal line (such as from great-grandmother to grandmother to mother to daughter/son, for example). My understanding is that this type of testing is somewhat more difficult (and perhaps more costly). Anyway, upon learning that the BYU group would soon be in my local area collecting samples for their project, I contacted members of their staff to inquire whether they ever worked on individual test cases, and whether they would consider taking on a personal case such as my own. They replied yes, and when asked about costs, they replied theirs would be substantially lower than the $400/sample cost I'd been quoted by the private labs. Even though they hadn't given me an exact price, I decided to go ahead and take the leap! I contacted Tom Hardcastle, asked if he was still willing to participate, and the ball was rolling! The option was given as to whether we, as test subjects, would donate a blood sample or a buccal sample (saliva sample via a mouth swab). I donated a blood sample, and Tom submitted a buccal sample, as this was more convenient and would not need to involve a doctor appointment to have the blood drawn. The lab also requested that I get a first-cousin to participate, as this would provide substantiating genetic markers to go alongside mine in comparison against Tom's, and would ensure further validity of the test. My first-cousin David (again, through a male line, being the son of my father's brother) readily volunteered to join in the quest, and he soon submitted a buccal sample as well. I'll leave out all the inconsequential details, but after submitting the DNA samples the process became rather lengthy (from Feb to Oct 2001). This was due in no small part to the overwhelming response BYU apparently received, and their involvement in numerous Special Cases as a result of their "world tour" and others like myself who'd contacted them for individual testing. Eventually, arrangements were made by BYU to "farm out" the Special Cases to a private lab (Relative Genetics), staffed by some of the members who had worked on the BYU project (and presumably who had since graduated from BYU). As a consequence of this, many of the Special Cases were done at little or no cost, and I was one of the lucky ones to fall into this category. (Going forward, all such Special Cases are being handled by Relative Genetics, and you would need to contact them in advance regarding their costs). (Also, they now use only buccal samples, and no longer take blood samples for their Special Cases). In early October 2001, I finally received the results. Alas, the outcome was disappointing to say the least. Whereas the DNA indicated a positive first-cousin relationship between David and myself, it showed Tom to be not connected to David and I within the purported 12 generations separating us from our supposed common male ancestor. The results showed that the common male ancestor between us was more likely somewhere between 27 and 113 generations removed, with an average likely separation of approximately 67 generations. After working on / researching the genealogy of the Hardcastle family for over 20 years, one small step of science seemed to rule out the family stories altogether. During this quest, I had stayed in touch with the reporter / genealogist who had authored the article in the local paper last January (announcing BYU's original sample-collection project). She had asked whether she could relate my story in an article once the results were complete. I agreed, and she conducted an interview. The article came out in last Thursday's issue [Dec 06, 2001], and can be found at the following link: http://www.sptimes.com/News/120601/Floridian/Genealogy__DNA_testin.shtml (There is a typo in the first sentence of the article--which is my fault, since she let me proofread the article before printing, and I missed it! It should say "...prove his great-grandfather HOPEWELL Carter...," not "Alexander" Carter. But this will not change the effect of the story for general readers). In the meantime, however, I have decided not to give up right just yet. Although the results of my DNA test indicated that Tom and I do not have a common male ancestor within the purported 12 generations, the possibility exists (albeit a slim one) that the "flaw" could be in his line, not mine. In other words, if there were an "illegitimacy" anywhere in Tom's paternal (Hardcastle) line, this could also explain why we would show as not being related within the 12-generation span. The only way to "remove all doubt" would be to find another male Hardcastle, whose branch tied into ours, and who would volunteer to submit a DNA sample for comparison against both of ours. I decided another DNA testing fee would be a small price to pay for another sample to be tested, especially since my earlier tests fell into a "gray area" in terms of costs. However, such a venture would not come without a feeling of guilt, since if another Hardcastle descendant were to match my DNA but not Tom's, this would indicate that Tom was "not really a Hardcastle." This would be a heavy price to pay (learning your own surname was "invalid") by someone who was attempting in good faith to help me find what MY surname "should" be.... However, Tom, being the good sport that he is, was willing to proceed. And I have just recently found another test participant. A fellow genealogist named Mike Hardcastle, who is a policeman living in Germany and who is descended from a co-lateral Hardcastle branch (having a common male ancestor with Tom and I, two generations further back), has agreed to participate in the test, and just last week submitted a DNA sample to Relative Genetics. The outcome of the test on his DNA should provide one of three results: 1. If Mike matches Tom*, but not me, then this will--for all intents and purposes--"prove" that I am most likely not a biological Hardcastle. 2. If Mike matches me*, but not Tom, then it will indicate that Tom has an "illegitimacy" in his paternal line, and is likely not a biological Hardcastle. 3. If Mike matches neither me nor Tom*, then we're back at square one, and the "illegitimacy" could have occurred in any two or all three of our lines. (And we would then need to get ANOTHER Hardcastle test subject for further comparison). * [within the specified number of generations] Relative Genetics has said that the latest results should be done in 4 to 6 weeks. ANYWAY, I've gone on MUCH longer than I'd expected when I began this post!! Hopefully, I haven't bored any of you too much, and those who did get bored have long since hit the "delete" key! :-) If anyone has any questions, please let me know. I can also provide contact information for Relative Genetics, if anyone wishes to contact them directly. (Or, info on how to contact them is contained within the newspaper link above). Thanks for listening. John

Hi Genevieve, Lower Choptank Hundred encompassed all of what would be included in today's 4th, 5th, 8th, and part of the 3rd districts of Caroline Co., MD. (This area was called "Great Choptank Hundred" earlier). Towns is this area are Preston, Harmony, Bethlehem, Williston, Concord, Federalsburg, Hynson and American Corner... River District included the area around what is now the Denton and Tuckahoe Neck areas (formerly called "Bridgetown Hundred") and the northern end of the county was "Upper Choptank Hundred" (formerly Choptank Hundred). Both land owners and non-land owners are listed on the 1783 tax assessment (and that is what is was, an assessment of ones land holdings and taxable personal property). Those who owned land can be identified as such by the fact that a property name will be listed after the name of the person taxed. As an example; David Todd, CA (CA= Caroline County), Lower Choptank Hundred (he was not a land owner at this time) Michael Todd, Todds Venture, 496 acres, (tract named "Todds Venture" containing 496 acres), CA, Lower Choptank Hundred Michael Todd, Loyds Forest, pt, (he owned part of "Loyds Forest, no acreage given), CA, Lower Choptank Hundred Michael Todd, Saxton (tract called "Saxton" [actually "Saxton's Support"], no acreage given), CA, Lower Choptank Hundred Nathan Todd, CA, Lower Choptank Hundred (he was not a land owner at this time) The three Michael Todds who owned "Todd's Venture," "Lloyd's Forest" and "Saxton's Support" are all the same individual. In 1778 the state of Maryland conducted a "census" (only free males aged 18 and over) to determine who had and had not signed the "Oath of Fidelity," and as far as I know only three counties enumerations have survived (Caroline, Charles & Queen Anne's). The Oath of Fidelity was basically a renunciation of British rule and one swore their allegiance to the American cause. Owners of land in Maryland during the colonial period had to pay "rent" to the Lords Baltimore every year at a specific time after the Revolution the owner paid a "tax" to the state. Really just a change in the names. The Delaware Genealogical Society has published a very good book "Delaware- 1782 Tax Assessment and Census Lists" by Nelson, Nelson, Doherty, Richards & Richards. I highly recommend it. http://delgensoc.org/ click on "Publications." Parker (also a descendant of Henry Stubbs) http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~carolines/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Genevieve" <genev@tisd.net> To: <MDCAROLI-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 12:46 PM Subject: [MDCAROLI] 1783 Tax Assessment - Fidelity Oath > Historians - please help. > > I found this 1783 Tax Assessment on the Maryland Archives. It lists > three District Hundreds - UPPER Choptank District, RIVER District and > LOWER Choptank District. I found my ancestor, Henry Stubbs (great X 4 > grandfather) in LOWER CHOPTANKk HUNDRED, along with Collisons, Framptons > and Wheelers who married into my families. > > My questions: > (1) WHERE is the LOWER Choptank District IN RELATION TO TOWNS TODAY? > > I would call "UPPER river" as meaning closer to the river SOURCE; "LOWER > River" would be near the OUTLET. That would mean to me: UPPER would be > Greensboro, Goldsboro, Henderson area. RIVER hundred would be Denton > area: LOWER would be Federalsburg and Preston area. > > But I have other reasons to suspect that my above named ancestors were > in the Greensboro area. > Please help me with the geography. > > (2) WHO were listed - land owners only, (some are stated as "tenants") ? > > (3) The Maryland Archives site calls it the "ASSESSMENT OF 1783". > Ancestry.com refers to it as "FIDELITY OATH". > So my questions: Who ordered this "event"? the Colony/State of Maryland? > Was it a means of taxing Marylanders of the colony/state of Maryland? > Was it a means of asking residents to "pledge fidelity" to the new > "state"? In 1783 the Revolutionary War with England had been negotiated. > (Declaration of Independence was in 1776. I think the Revolutionary War > lasted for six years - 1776 to 1782. - Historians, correct me if I am > wrong.) > > (4) Did other states have a comparable "Assessment", which would be a > Pre-1790 Census. > > As I research my families, I realize how little HISTORY I learned. So > now I am filling in the gaps. > > Genevieve Bundy > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Good morning, Would you please give me the URL for the home page of the Maryland Archives &/or the URL for the 1783 Tax Assessment page -- thank you so very much. :) Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) In a message dated 7/12/2 5:05:29 PM, genev@tisd.net writes: << I found this 1783 Tax Assessment on the Maryland Archives. It lists three District Hundreds - UPPER Choptank District, RIVER District and LOWER Choptank District. I found my ancestor, Henry Stubbs (great X 4 grandfather) in LOWER CHOPTANKk HUNDRED, along with Collisons, Framptons and Wheelers who married into my families. >>

Historians - please help. I found this 1783 Tax Assessment on the Maryland Archives. It lists three District Hundreds - UPPER Choptank District, RIVER District and LOWER Choptank District. I found my ancestor, Henry Stubbs (great X 4 grandfather) in LOWER CHOPTANKk HUNDRED, along with Collisons, Framptons and Wheelers who married into my families. My questions: (1) WHERE is the LOWER Choptank District IN RELATION TO TOWNS TODAY? I would call "UPPER river" as meaning closer to the river SOURCE; "LOWER River" would be near the OUTLET. That would mean to me: UPPER would be Greensboro, Goldsboro, Henderson area. RIVER hundred would be Denton area: LOWER would be Federalsburg and Preston area. But I have other reasons to suspect that my above named ancestors were in the Greensboro area. Please help me with the geography. (2) WHO were listed - land owners only, (some are stated as "tenants") ? (3) The Maryland Archives site calls it the "ASSESSMENT OF 1783". Ancestry.com refers to it as "FIDELITY OATH". So my questions: Who ordered this "event"? the Colony/State of Maryland? Was it a means of taxing Marylanders of the colony/state of Maryland? Was it a means of asking residents to "pledge fidelity" to the new "state"? In 1783 the Revolutionary War with England had been negotiated. (Declaration of Independence was in 1776. I think the Revolutionary War lasted for six years - 1776 to 1782. - Historians, correct me if I am wrong.) (4) Did other states have a comparable "Assessment", which would be a Pre-1790 Census. As I research my families, I realize how little HISTORY I learned. So now I am filling in the gaps. Genevieve Bundy

Historians - Please Help -- I found the 1783 Tax Assesment in Maryland - for Caroline Co.,- on the Maryland Archives site. There are three "District Hundreds' in Caroline Co.: Upper Choptank District, River District and Lower Choptank District.

Caroline Co Marriage Licenses have listed a Samuel Emerson and Ann Anderson, July 21, 1794. Does anyone know who this couple was? Was Samuel the son of Samuel Emerson (emigrant, wife: Elizabeth) and Ann, the daughter of James Anderson II (wife Ann)?? Both of these families were known Nicolites. Thanks. Marsha IL

Is there anyone out there who knows how (or if) these 2 Whiteleys/Whitelys are connected?: William (wife: Talitha) Whitley, parents of Bing, b: June 18, 1781 Elijah (wife: Sarah) Whitley, parents of Tristram; Beauchamp; Andrew; Rhoda; Blades; Dorcas (children born bet. 1780 and 1790.) I am wondering if William & Elijah were brothers? They were both Nicolites (childrens' births in Nicolite records.) They are probably descendants of an Arthur WHITELEY (b: Eng, 1652, d: 1732) who emigrated to Dorchester Co, MD abt. 1676 (children: Arthur Rich; Anthony; Alexander; Augustus; Abraham Bing), but I've been unable to definitely document this. Can anyone help? Thanks. Marsha IL

Good morning list, YES! :) I forgot to mention -- my grandfather Edward WEBBER was counted twice in the 1900 Census, once in Caroline Co., MD & once in Chester, Delaware Co., PA. One census record says he was b. in DE & the other says MD. 1900 Census -- 3rd Dist., Denton, Caroline Co., MD WEBBER Arthur J H W M Jul 1850 49 M27 DE DE DE Laborer Mary E W W F Nov 1855 44 M27 5 3 DE DE DE R/H Bertha I D W F Mar 1882 18 S DE DE DE *Edward A S W M Feb 1886 14 S MD DE DE *Note: Edward is listed in the Chester, Dela. Co., PA 1900 Census as a boarder with a Thomas BUCKLEY. Note: They had a daughter Goldie b. 1890 & another daughter b. after 1890 where are they in this census? 1900 Census -- 104 Norris St., Chester Delaware Co., PA BUCKLEY Thomas Jr H W M 1871 28 M IL Ire Ire Ada W W F 1871 28 M MD MD MD (Stayton?) Lillain D W F 1898 1 S PA IL MD John S W M 1900 5/12 S PA IL MD WEBBER *Edward Bd W M 1887 13 S DE DE DE Laborer/Iron Note: *Edward is also listed in the Caroline Co., MD census with his parents. Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS) P.S. Is anyone doing research on BUCKLEY's or knows what Ada's maiden was?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: LARKINS / HOWARD Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/iEB.2ACE/642 Message Board Post: I am looking for any info on my great uncle Alva Larkins. He was born July 12, 1897 in New York and died April 3, 1987 in Federalsburg, MD. His parents were Herbert H. Larkins and May Belle Howard Larkins. The 1905 NY Census states that he had a twin sister named Altra, but this could be a misprint as no one in my family is familiar with this name. I would appreciate ANYTHING anyone could tell me. Thank you.

Hi, I'm passing this on to Delaware & the Eastern Shore of Maryland mailing list, because there are so many people listed in this 1860 census record mentioned as having been born in DE & MD. I know there was a large inflex from DE & MD to Delaware Co., PA, in the 1880s because of industry -- my WEBBER Family being one of them. I was a little surprised to see it as early as 1860 or before. Don't just rely on the surname index -- there are some names missing from it -- go to the town, township, borough, etc. where your relative may have lived. The following was sent to me by Karen << Booboopies@aol.com >> Here ya go, Helen, <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~cenfiles/pa/delaware/1860/">1860 Federal Census for Delaware County, PA</A> or http://www.rootsweb.com/~cenfiles/pa/delaware/1860/ This should take you right to it. It's a list of files. In order to find someone, you'll need first to go to the Index folder near the bottom of the list. Unfortunately, the index files are given numbers rather than alphabetic names, so you have to fish around until you find the proper index file. Once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy to navigate. You can always save the files in your favorites and rename them (not the http:// designation, just the descriptive name on your system). Have fun! Karen Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

Haven't seen this posted to list[s] so just passing the info along. Found it out on my recent visit there. Maryland State Archives Hours of Operation See Daily Record article - Losing access to the past Please Note - New Hours of Operation! >From June 7 - June 30 The public search room is open Tuesday through Friday, 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., and Saturday, 8:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. and 1:00 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. The Archives is CLOSED ON SUNDAYS & MONDAYS. On weekdays the search room remains open at lunchtime (12:00 p.m. to 1:00 p.m.) with reduced services. ***Beginning July 1, 2002 The Maryland State Archives has announced new opening hours for its public search room in Annapolis, as well as new procedures for handling reference requests. These changes are due to cuts in the Archives' budget and a subsequent reduction in staff. The public search room is open Wednesday through Friday, 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m., and Saturday (see below for Saturday closures), 8:30 a.m. to 12:00 p.m. and 1:00 p.m. to 4:30 p.m. The Archives is CLOSED ON SUNDAYS, MONDAYS, TUESDAYS, the FIRST SATURDAY OF EVERY MONTH, and SATURDAYS OF HOLIDAY WEEKENDS. On weekdays, the search room remains open at lunchtime (12:00 p.m. to 1:00 p.m.) but the circulation desk will be closed. On Saturdays, the search room and lobby will close from 12 noon - 1 p.m. Patrons must leave the building. The Saturday closures for 2002 include: July 6, August 3, August 31, September 7, October 5, October 12, November 2, November 9 (Veterans' Day weekend), November 28 (Thanksgiving weekend), and December 7. The Archives is also closed on state holidays. The state holiday closings for 2002 are:  Tuesday, January 1; Thursday, July 4; Tuesday, November 5; Thursday, Friday and Saturday, November 28, 29 & 30; Wednesday, December 25. The Maryland State Archives is located at 350 Rowe Boulevard, Annapolis, MD 21401. New Procedures for Handling Reference Inquiries The new procedures for handling reference inquiries and requests for documents, including vital records, mean that all requests must be submitted by mail, fax, or email. No phone requests can be accepted. Following are the contact addresses and fax number for Archives reference requests. Address: Reference Department Maryland State Archives 350 Rowe Boulevard Annapolis, MD 21401 Fax: (410) 974 2525 Email: ref@mdarchives.state.md.us Records can also be requested by visiting the Archives' website at mdsa.net or by coming in person to the Archives during the above opening hours. Dr. Edward C. Papenfuse, Maryland State Archivist, said of the changes: "We regret having to curtail our services to the public but these changes are unavoidable given the reductions in our budget for Fiscal Year 2003 which begins on July 1. We hope our patrons will understand the reasons for this, and we will do our best to continue to provide the high quality of service that our patrons have come to expect of us." [ Archives' Home Page || Visitors' Center || Search the Archives || Staff Directory || Maryland & Its Government || Maryland Manual On-Line || Reference & Research || Education & Outreach || Government House || State Art Collection || Archives of Maryland ] Governor     General Assembly    Judiciary     Maryland Electronic Capital    MARYLAND.GOV © Copyright July 03, 2002Maryland State Archives

Hi list, A Military Prayer for the Past & Future To all the veterans and their families, who stand before us today --we have replaced the old worn gravestones of past military men from The Revolutionary War, The War of 1812, The Mexican War, The Civil War, & The Spanish-American War. My prayer is, in the future, someone will follow in our footsteps. To replace your weathered tombstones, to show you the honor and respect that you so much deserve, as these men do, and have been shown here today. One does not know, how much, you, (as military men & women), have given up and sacrificed to make our beautiful country what it is today! May your names not just lie on dusty old pages in history books and on worn gravestones but be engraved deep in our hearts for all eternity! Amen. (I wrote this prayer for the dedication of the veterans' gravestones at St. Martin's Cemetery in Marcus Hook, Delaware Co., PA.) By Helen M. (Webber) Imburgia Aston, PA 2 Dec. 1998 W 1840 Census of Pensioners - Revolutionary War http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/colonial/census/1840/index.html W American Battle Monuments http://www.abmc.gov/ W American Rev. War Valley Forge National http://www.nps.gov/vafo/ W American Revolution War Sol http://www.rootsweb.com/~ars/ W Civil War (Nikki) http://home.ptd.net/~nikki/civilwar.htm W Civil War * Cornell University http://moa.cit.cornell.edu/moa/browse.monographs/waro.html W Civil War * Memorial Day & other http://home.ptd.net/~nikki/memorial.htm W Civil War * PA Rosters http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3916/cwpa/cwparosters.html W Civil War * PA Union Regiments http://www.civilwararchive.com/unionpa.htm W Civil War * PA Volunteers http://www.pacivilwar.com/ W Civil War * Regimental Histories http://www.tarleton.edu/~kjones/USal-in.html#DE-Gen'l W Civil War * Soldiers & Sailors Nat. Park http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/ W Civil War ** Any Soldiers & Sailors http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.htm W Civil War ** Soldiers & Units Info http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/links/cwsuinfo.htm W Civil War Battle Page http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/pottery/1080/index.htm W Civil War Burials In Montgomery Co., PA http://www.thefinalwaltz.com/ W Civil War Center http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/ W Civil War Center -- Info Index on Civil War Inf http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/civlink.htm W Civil War Center -- Maps http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/links/links3.htm#Maps W Civil War Center -- Soldiers Index http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/links/cwsuinfo2.htm#Index W Civil War DE Society Home Page http://www.dcws.org/ W Civil War DE- Blue & Gray http://www.bitsofblueandgray.com/ W Civil War Homepage http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/warweb.html W Civil War Links http://www.public.usit.net/mruddy/clayton2.htm W Civil War MD Union Regiments http://www.civilwararchive.com/unionmd.htm W Civil War PA http://www.pa-roots.com/PACW/index.html W Civil War PA Regiments, Cavalry http://www.pa-roots.com/PACW/cavalry.htm W Civil War Photo Database http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usamhi/PhotoDB.html W Civil War Units -- States A-I http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/unit1.html W Civil War Units -- States O-W http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/unit3.html W General Soc. War of 1812 http://www.societyofthewarof1812.org/ W Korean War Project http://www.koreanwar.org/html/looking_for.html W Mexican War Roll of Honor http://www.dmwv.org/mwvets/roh.htm W Spanish-American War http://www.nara.gov/publications/prologue/1898gen1.html W Spanish-American (Rough Riders) http://www.genealogy-quest.com/cgi-bin/genealogy-quest/trooper.cgi/ W Spanish-American PA Volunteers http://www.paspanishamericanwar.com/ W WW I Civilian Draft Registrations http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/3172a.htm W WW I Draft http://userdb.rootsweb.com/ww1/draft/ W WW I Draft Registration Info http://www.jewishgen.org/infofiles/wwidraft.htm W WW II Dead-Monuments Europe & US http://www.abmc.gov/abmc45.htm W WW II Search http://www.americanwardead.com/searchww.htm W-American Veteran Search - Home http://www.veteranssearch.com/ W-Military Defence Dept. http://www.nic.mil/MISC/milloc.html W-Military Directory FAMILY History's http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~northing/placenames/usa/military/ W-Military Genealogy Resources http://genealogy.about.com/cs/military/ W-Military Indexes http://web.mountain.net/~wfmoney/cd/page06.htm W-National Cemeteries & War Veterans Burials http://www.interment.net/us/nat/ W-NSDAR Home Page http://www.chesapeake.net/DAR/ W-NSSAR Home page http://www.sar.org/ W-U.S. Army Homepage http://www.army.mil/ W-U.S. Navy History http://www.history.navy.mil/ W-USWARS http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/indx/USWARS.html Happy hunting, Helen (DCGS)

Sophia HARRIS married Lewis RICE (not RICH) as I'd previously sent out. Sorry for the goof. Thanks. Marsha IL