Hi R.P. You bring up a very interesting point about the property... Mr. Buckingham's posting of the book rekindled my interest in the origins of the state lines, which initiated this thread. I have yet to see his maps, and will seek them out. What I understand is that Cumberland County PA was formed in 1750, followed by Bedford County in 1771, and Westmoreland county in 1773, each taking some portion of the other. So we might find records about someone living in 1772 in the region that became Westmoreland in Bedford County, or in Cumberland County. Although most of the Mason-Dixon line was created 1763-1767, the dispute between the Colonies dates back into the 17th century. The question, perhaps answered in the book, is - Did both states have governing structures in the disputed territory, some 20 miles wide? Did they sell property, and collect taxes? Or did Maryland "control" the territory until they handed it over to Pennsylvania circa 1767. And exactly how did the presence of the line become enforced? Did the southern PA counties suddenly gain a 20 mile extension to their southern border? Where are the property and genealogy records stored? in PA or MD? In the similar case of the three counties Virginia created in what became western PA, VA imposed taxes, organized county governments, sold land - sometimes the same land sold by Westmoreland Co PA, and in general imposed, between PA and VA, two competing governmental structures on the people, from 1771 through 1785 or so. This is one of the reasons something over 50% of the settlers in the area lost their land to the government and moved on to points further west, like Kentucky. In VA's case, their set of records have moved on to the VA archives, while the PA records are with the counties, or in the PA archives. It is also why there are scores (60 some-odd) of recorded incidents of PA farmers tearing up roads, digging wide trenches across them, or burying them in tons of manure, to prevent travel to the various county seats where confiscated properties of their neighbors were being auctioned. Did this kind of activity also go on in MD? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Vince, I found Jesse Fike in 1860 Maryland Allegany Co. Dis 2. He was 1 yr old. I still haven't located him in 1860 Mavis ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I apologize to the list. I should have sent all this privately. I hit "reply" key and didn't realize it was going out to the list.

Is it a coincidence that Mr. Buckingham writes about his new postings, given this thread of conversation? Now available at his website http://www.midatlanticarchives.com/maps_md_statewide/ palitinate_of_maryland.html is a map showing the original borders of the colony, both extending along the south fork of the Potomac, as well as following the fortieth parallel in the north. If what I have read is correct, Mason and Dixon didn't fix the current boundary until at least 1765 west of North Mountain. The question for which I would like to see an answer is this. Many persons probably bought land from Maryland (before 1765) which as a result of Mason and Dixon ended up in Pennsylvania. The family of my ancestor John Perrin, and his friends in the Leazar family ended up half in Allegany County (around Flintstone) and half in Southampton Township, Bedford County, PA. What were the rules regarding property in situations such as this? R. P. Day On May 26, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Norman Collier wrote: > Vince, > > I think some of your story is true. It appears that the more > powerful states > were trying to grab land. Thomas Cresap was actually put in jail in > Pennsylvania, Philadelphia. He and others were trying to make Maryland > larger to the north. > > West Virginia, was actually formed in Wheeling, WV. Please go on > line and > find the story. West Virginia actually owns to Ohio River to the > high water > mark in the state of Ohio. > > Grew up in West Virginia and a Cresap Descendent. > > Norman Collier > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <VinceKoers@aol.com> > To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 3:58 PM > Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] MD Map >

My father in law was William Kuhlman, born about 1911. His father was George Kuhlman and his mother Adeline. George's father was Bernard Kuhlman. Bernard had a son Bernandine (I probably am not spelling right) who became a Priest. Father Bernandine. He also had 3 daughters who all became nuns. Sister Leocadia, the other names may come to me. A daughter, Josephine, there may be others. Bill had brothers, George, Bernard, Jim, sisters, Angela, Mary, 2 more, I think, there were 8 kids in that family. My father in law and wife, Ursula Martz, lived on Martz Lane in LaVale, which comes off Vocki Drive. And I think their original homeplace was once part of the Vocke farm? But you may have all that. My husband was Lawrence (1926/1999). I have never really researched this line but would be interested in anything you would like to share. I know Bernard is buried at Sts Peter and Paul Cemetery in Cumberland and last I was there the stone was standing but very faint. George and Adeline are buried at Mt Savage. That's it in a nutshell. I live in LaVale. I was born in Frostburg so haven't moved far away. It is so nice to find someone researching Kuhlman. I know the family was in Cumberland by 1848/49 when the cornerstone for Sts Peter and Paul was laid. More may come to me. Sharon

Please could you please answer my ? I am haveing problems with this part of the family- John Gerdeman ----- Original Message ----- From: "GerdemanZbunch" <gerdemansbunch@web.de> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Cumberland" <MDALLEGA-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:02 PM Subject: [MDALLEGA] Fletcher > Dear List > I am back looking for my brick in the wall. > This letter is for David A of Richmond Va > Dave I think I found my MaryFletcher. all I need is you back up , I found a Franklin Frank Fletcher obit and in this obit ishe has a sister named Mary. They where the children of Daniel & Susan Fletcher of Chapman`s run . He died Nov 10, 1913 > I am looking for here birthdate and if she was married. If you could look up that family for me > John Gerdeman > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mavis, I have the Fike book but there are so many Jessie Fikes, both male and female, I found one Jessie Fike born July 07, 1849. His parents were Eva Fike daughter of Jacob Fike Je. and Catherine Thomas. They were married August 22, 1839 in Pennsylvania Jesse Fike born in Md. July 07, 1849 and died March 04, 1905 at age 55. He married twice . He married Clara Belle Light date unknown. She was born Abt. Feb. 1859 and died of Diptheria Oct. 20, 1877 He married second Maggie Burk date unknown. Maggie Was born May 24, 1856 and died Oct. 23, 1937. They had 9 children. Clara had one child. The book does not tell where they died but I hope this is what you are hunting for. Regards, Virginia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Thompson" <Patty125@comcast.net> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Fikes in 1860 census > Mavis, > I haven't looked but try Fayette Co., PA. I found some Fike families > living > near the Van Sickles and Moyer families at about this time (in Henry Clay > Twp.) All the families seemed to tie into the Allegany Co., MD (now > Garrett > Co.) lines. > Pat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Mystry915@aol.com> > To: <MDALLEGA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:55 PM > Subject: [MDALLEGA] Fikes in 1860 census > > > Has anyone come across a Jesse Fike in the 1860 Allegany Co. Md. census? > I > found him in the 1850 and 1870 in Selbyport but can't seem to find him > anywhere in 1860. He would have been around 11 yrs old and his parents > were > Jacob > B. Fike and Eve or Eva. He was born in Maryland around 1849. I would be > grateful for any help. > Mavis Strawser Wagener > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mavis, I haven't looked but try Fayette Co., PA. I found some Fike families living near the Van Sickles and Moyer families at about this time (in Henry Clay Twp.) All the families seemed to tie into the Allegany Co., MD (now Garrett Co.) lines. Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mystry915@aol.com> To: <MDALLEGA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [MDALLEGA] Fikes in 1860 census Has anyone come across a Jesse Fike in the 1860 Allegany Co. Md. census? I found him in the 1850 and 1870 in Selbyport but can't seem to find him anywhere in 1860. He would have been around 11 yrs old and his parents were Jacob B. Fike and Eve or Eva. He was born in Maryland around 1849. I would be grateful for any help. Mavis Strawser Wagener ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I checked the 1860 census for PA, VA/WVA and found no Jacob Fike with a wife of Eve/Eva or a child by the name of Jesse on Heritage Quest. "The Ole Crow" Dick Crow "Retired & enjoying it!" rw.crow@verizon.net Cell: 603-490-0153 ----- Original Message ----- From: <Mystry915@aol.com> To: <MDALLEGA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: [MDALLEGA] Fikes in 1860 census > Has anyone come across a Jesse Fike in the 1860 Allegany Co. Md. census? > I > found him in the 1850 and 1870 in Selbyport but can't seem to find him > anywhere in 1860. He would have been around 11 yrs old and his parents > were Jacob > B. Fike and Eve or Eva. He was born in Maryland around 1849. I would be > grateful for any help. > Mavis Strawser Wagener > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anyone come across a Jesse Fike in the 1860 Allegany Co. Md. census? I found him in the 1850 and 1870 in Selbyport but can't seem to find him anywhere in 1860. He would have been around 11 yrs old and his parents were Jacob B. Fike and Eve or Eva. He was born in Maryland around 1849. I would be grateful for any help. Mavis Strawser Wagener ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Sharon, Bernard did have a brother also named Henry, He fought in the civil war. Forgot to mention that in the other email. Sharon Kuhlman <skuhlman@verizon.net> wrote: My husband's great-grandfather was Bernard Kuhlman who arrived in Cumberland before/about 1848 and lived on Fayette Street. I'm wondering if your Henry was a brother? From: Debra Schaefer >Date: 2007/05/25 Fri AM 04:03:14 CDT >To: MDALLEGA@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MDALLEGA] Kuhlman >Searching for any info on the Kuhlman Family. Henry was born in Hanover in 1797. Came to states with 4 daughters in 1848. Last record found is 1880 census, living with his daughter Antonette Gocke(actually its Vocke) in Cumberland. > >--------------------------------- >Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. >Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

Henry was Bernards father. Do you know anything about Bernards parents? Bernards sister Antonette Walker or Vocke is my great great grandmother. Sharon Kuhlman <skuhlman@verizon.net> wrote: My husband's great-grandfather was Bernard Kuhlman who arrived in Cumberland before/about 1848 and lived on Fayette Street. I'm wondering if your Henry was a brother? From: Debra Schaefer >Date: 2007/05/25 Fri AM 04:03:14 CDT >To: MDALLEGA@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MDALLEGA] Kuhlman >Searching for any info on the Kuhlman Family. Henry was born in Hanover in 1797. Came to states with 4 daughters in 1848. Last record found is 1880 census, living with his daughter Antonette Gocke(actually its Vocke) in Cumberland. > >--------------------------------- >Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. >Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

Hi Connelsville is in Fayette Co PA .. It is about 10 miles from Uniontown, the county seat. Karen Peto katy11@earthlink.net Life might not be the party you expected.... so while you're here, you might as well dance!

My husband's great-grandfather was Bernard Kuhlman who arrived in Cumberland before/about 1848 and lived on Fayette Street. I'm wondering if your Henry was a brother? From: Debra Schaefer <sjm0700@yahoo.com> >Date: 2007/05/25 Fri AM 04:03:14 CDT >To: MDALLEGA@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MDALLEGA] Kuhlman >Searching for any info on the Kuhlman Family. Henry was born in Hanover in 1797. Came to states with 4 daughters in 1848. Last record found is 1880 census, living with his daughter Antonette Gocke(actually its Vocke) in Cumberland. > >--------------------------------- >Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. >Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to David in Richmond, VA, I have the answer to my question. They were married in Short Creek Twp. in Jefferson Co., Ohio. This list is the best!! Jocelyn in Ohio problem is I have no source! No 79 William Hendrickson to Mary Ann Drake December the third 1804.. I do hereby certify that William Hendrickson and his wife Mary Ann Drake of Short Creek Township was married by me October the fourth in the year of our [(Lord) is missing] one thousand eight hundred and four by License. James Roberts Justice peace Because these two were originally from Allegany Co., I'm hoping someone can help with the place of marriage. Any of your people come from Jefferson or Harrison Co., OH? I know that there's a Short Creek Twp. that's currently in Harrison Co., east of New Athens. Before Harrison was formed, though (in 1814), that part of the county would have been part of Jefferson, to the east.

Searching for any info on the Kuhlman Family. Henry was born in Hanover in 1797. Came to states with 4 daughters in 1848. Last record found is 1880 census, living with his daughter Antonette Gocke(actually its Vocke) in Cumberland. --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.

If someone has access to Allegany County marriage records in the early 1900s, I would be interested in a lookup.? I'm attempting to find a record for Myles Francis Thompson (b. 1888) and Hilda M. ??? (b. 1892).?? From what I have learned, their wedding probably took place in Cumberland, during the 1910-1915 time frame.? Together, they had a couple of children, before moving to Michigan (1916-1917) and expanding the family.? Thanks. Bob Thompson ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

Connellsville is in Fayette County. "The Ole Crow" Dick Crow "Retired & enjoying it!" rw.crow@verizon.net Cell: 603-490-0153 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Beachy" <cbeachy@hereintown.net> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Monahan obit > Looks like the Monaghans came from the Connellsville, PA area, which is > just > across the PA line from Allegany County. > Someone on this list can tell you what county Connellsville, PA is in. > > Connie > > >> I have a grandmother from Ocean Margaret Monahan daughter of Owen > Monaghan >> her husband was John Clupp. >> could there be a connection somehow? How could I find out? >> Pat Clupp-Sullivan >> >> >> On 5/23/07, Sheryl Kelso <hskelso@atlanticbb.net> wrote: >> > >> > Edward Monahan, 69, died Wednesday at his home in Washington, D. C. A >> > native >> > of Ocean, near Frostburg, Md., he leaves two sisters and two brothers, >> > including Michael Monahan of Connellsville. The funeral will be held >> > Saturday morning. The Daily Courier, page 2, Connellsville, August 24, >> > 1945 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Looks like the Monaghans came from the Connellsville, PA area, which is just across the PA line from Allegany County. Someone on this list can tell you what county Connellsville, PA is in. Connie > I have a grandmother from Ocean Margaret Monahan daughter of Owen Monaghan > her husband was John Clupp. > could there be a connection somehow? How could I find out? > Pat Clupp-Sullivan > > > On 5/23/07, Sheryl Kelso <hskelso@atlanticbb.net> wrote: > > > > Edward Monahan, 69, died Wednesday at his home in Washington, D. C. A > > native > > of Ocean, near Frostburg, Md., he leaves two sisters and two brothers, > > including Michael Monahan of Connellsville. The funeral will be held > > Saturday morning. The Daily Courier, page 2, Connellsville, August 24, > > 1945

I have a grandmother from Ocean Margaret Monahan daughter of Owen Monaghan her husband was John Clupp. could there be a connection somehow? How could I find out? Pat Clupp-Sullivan On 5/23/07, Sheryl Kelso <hskelso@atlanticbb.net> wrote: > > Edward Monahan, 69, died Wednesday at his home in Washington, D. C. A > native > of Ocean, near Frostburg, Md., he leaves two sisters and two brothers, > including Michael Monahan of Connellsville. The funeral will be held > Saturday morning. The Daily Courier, page 2, Connellsville, August 24, > 1945 > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >