Perhaps someone on the list knows the exact name but there is a place at the old Cumberland Train Station that the State Parks have. They have very knowledgeable Rangers who were of great help to us last year. If you write or call them they might be able to assist you. We were looking for a particular place on the C&O canal where my husband's great aunt had drowned at age 12 in 1868 near the Greenspring Furnace area in Washington County. They marked it on a map, suggested a few books (one which we bought). Their explanation of the gate keepers assisted us in solving part of a mystery. In her obit in the Cumberland paper, it was stated she was living with the FLYNN family. Found out they were gate keepers at Four Locks where she expired. This was only a few miles from the family home place at Greenspring Furnace. Her father was a C&O boatman. They have very informative displays re: the area. We really enjoyed it. Sorry cannot remember the exact name. Hope someone can help. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH Debra Schaefer <sjm0700@yahoo.com> wrote: My grandfather was born in 1878 at the Three Mile Water Station outside of Cumberland. Does anyone have any info or pictures of this location. --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My grandfather was born in 1878 at the Three Mile Water Station outside of Cumberland. Does anyone have any info or pictures of this location. --------------------------------- Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection.

Hi Connie: You can reach me at: Vince Koers 603 W. Woodlawn Avenue, Danville IL 61832 - or - _vincekoers@aol.com_ (mailto:vincekoers@aol.com) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I'll get a copy for you next Tuesday when I work at the Genealogical Society. I'll need your home address. Connie Beachy > Connie > > I would like to see the history... > > Vince

I typed in "Perrin Genealogy" in Google and came up with loads of hits for the Bedford Co. PA and Allegany Co. MD Perrins. Check out the following: http://genforum.genealogy.com/perrin/

Sorry it took so long to respond -- I have been on the road. Last week I found a citation in Bedford County, PA concerning land applications: Francis Hines, 200 acres on small creek leading into Potomac River, known as Town Creek, in Town Creek valley [note: land claimed by one Perrin] 11/10/1766 #1870 While I didn't have the time to get to the courthouse and find the original citation, this certainly fits into what we have been discussing. John Perrin Sr. obtained land in Twiggstown, Murley's Branch and Flintstone Creek area as 1762, perhaps 2000 acres in all. His son John is on the tax roles in Colerain Twp Bedford County, PA (Southampton Twp wasn't formed yet) in 1772. Mason and Dixon I believe went through that area in 1766. Looks like the family lost some of the land they bought. Richard Perrin Day On May 29, 2007, at 3:43 PM, VinceKoers@aol.com wrote: > Hi R.P. > > You bring up a very interesting point about the property... > > Mr. Buckingham's posting of the book rekindled my interest in the > origins of > the state lines, which initiated this thread. I have yet to see > his maps, > and will seek them out. > > What I understand is that Cumberland County PA was formed in 1750, > followed > by Bedford County in 1771, and Westmoreland county in 1773, each > taking some > portion of the other. So we might find records about someone living > in 1772 > in the region that became Westmoreland in Bedford County, or in > Cumberland > County. > > Although most of the Mason-Dixon line was created 1763-1767, the > dispute > between the Colonies dates back into the 17th century. The > question, perhaps > answered in the book, is - Did both states have governing > structures in the > disputed territory, some 20 miles wide? Did they sell property, and > collect > taxes? Or did Maryland "control" the territory until they handed it > over to > Pennsylvania circa 1767. And exactly how did the presence of the > line become > enforced? Did the southern PA counties suddenly gain a 20 mile > extension to their > southern border? Where are the property and genealogy records > stored? in PA > or MD? > > In the similar case of the three counties Virginia created in what > became > western PA, VA imposed taxes, organized county governments, sold > land - > sometimes the same land sold by Westmoreland Co PA, and in general > imposed, between > PA and VA, two competing governmental structures on the people, > from 1771 > through 1785 or so. This is one of the reasons something over 50% > of the > settlers in the area lost their land to the government and moved on > to points > further west, like Kentucky. In VA's case, their set of records > have moved on to > the VA archives, while the PA records are with the counties, or in > the PA > archives. > > It is also why there are scores (60 some-odd) of recorded incidents > of PA > farmers tearing up roads, digging wide trenches across them, or > burying them in > tons of manure, to prevent travel to the various county seats where > confiscated properties of their neighbors were being auctioned. > Did this kind of > activity also go on in MD? > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Connie I would like to see the history... Vince ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

What is the name of her book? I've read several of them, including one where the fantasy lady comes to the Carolinas but lost interest in it. My mistake? Herman Husband became a well known person after a while...his history is in one of the books at the Gen. Society but it didn't mention To Escape Death. Want a copy? I can copy it tomorrow. Connie > Wow... so there really was a Herman Husband. I have been reading the > Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon and Herman Husband appears as a character, a > Quaker, and a participant in the Regulators movement in the early days of the > Revolution in NC. I knew of the Regulators from history. but thought Husband was a > fictional character. Glad to read this posting. The novel so far has portrayed > him as decribed in the post. BJ

Wow... so there really was a Herman Husband. I have been reading the Outlander series by Diana Gabaldon and Herman Husband appears as a character, a Quaker, and a participant in the Regulators movement in the early days of the Revolution in NC. I knew of the Regulators from history. but thought Husband was a fictional character. Glad to read this posting. The novel so far has portrayed him as decribed in the post. BJ ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

How come I can not get in to the chat room. I always get web site not found. John Gerdeman ----- Original Message ----- From: <pattyann.38@verizon.net> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Cumberland Chat > The website is www.cumberlandchat.com There are lots of political, local and general discussions. Sometimes there are discussions on historical sites in and around the area but mostly they discuss current events. > > Hope this helps. Take care. > Pat H. > > > > ===================== > From: PATROBISON@aol.com > Date: 2007/06/02 Sat PM 08:39:20 CDT > To: MDALLEGA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MDALLEGA] Cumberland Chat > > Regarding the Cumberland Chat Website - if this site is up can someone > provide me with the website address? > > > Thanks > Pat > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John try this - _http://www.cumberlandchat.com/cgi/Forum/YaBB.pl_ (http://www.cumberlandchat.com/cgi/Forum/YaBB.pl) Pat In a message dated 6/4/2007 12:59:05 PM Central Daylight Time, gerdemanbunch@web.de writes: How come I can not get in to the chat room. I always get web site not found. John Gerdeman ----- Original Message ----- From: <pattyann.38@verizon.net> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 3:53 AM Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Cumberland Chat > The website is www.cumberlandchat.com There are lots of political, local and general discussions. Sometimes there are discussions on historical sites in and around the area but mostly they discuss current events. > > Hope this helps. Take care. > Pat H. > > > > ===================== > From: PATROBISON@aol.com > Date: 2007/06/02 Sat PM 08:39:20 CDT > To: MDALLEGA-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MDALLEGA] Cumberland Chat > > Regarding the Cumberland Chat Website - if this site is up can someone > provide me with the website address? > > > Thanks > Pat > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

John, I just clicked onto the website you posted and I got the "login" screen without any hesitation.

Thanks to all who gave me the name Herman Husband used. It was "Toescapedeath." Carol Eddleman (Bedford list adm.) and Gloria Snyder responded with it. I found a connection of sorts with Toescape Death when someone who did very poor research decided that Jeremiah Willison (of Cumberland - ca. 1750's) was married to the daughter of Toescape Death. Jeremiah's wife actually was Sarah Death, comonly spelled DeAth in Great Britian about the time Jeremiah got married. However, there were plenty of Death Families in the United States, all over the Eastern Shore, back in the 1700's, but they didn't have silly first names. Connie > Connie, > > Found this on Answer.Com regarding Herman Husband: > > Herman Husband > There are very few or no other articles that link to this one. > Please help introduce links in articles on related topics. After links have > been created, remove this message. > This article has been tagged since October 2006. > Herman Husband (1724-1795) was a farmer, radical, pamphleteer, and preacher. > He was born in Maryland and raised as an Anglican. One of the many to be > inspired to the Great Awakening after hearing George Whitefield preach he > became disenchanged with his original faith and became a "New Light" > Presbyterian and then a Quaker. Moving to North Carolina he established > himself as a farmer and religious leader. He was asked to leave the Quaker > Meeting and he did so but continued to follow many of their tenets including > strict pacifism. Philosophically he was drawn to the wisdom of Ben Franklin. > > In the 1760s he was involved in the resistance to the corrupt practices of > predatory government officials- mainly the lawyers and judges. He was > elected to the colony's assembly and spoke out against governmental abuses. > His story is reminiscent of that of John Wilkes. He was jailed for speaking > out and then set loose when an angry mob of armed backwoods farmers was > coming to free him. The resisters organized and began calling themselves > "Regulators" because they wanted to regulate the government, that is- to > force it to obey the laws. Thus the movement is known as the Regulator > Rebellion. Mob action was taken to prevent the worst abuses of the courts. > > Husband always denied he was a Regulator, and indeed, as a pacifist he > wouldn't take part in violence or threats of violence. But he was a > spokesman and a symbol for the resistance. He had several tracts printed the > best known being "Shew Yourselves to be Freemen" (1769),"An Impartial > Relation of the First and Causes of the Recent Differences in Public > Affairs" (1770), and "A Fan For Fanning And A Touchstone For Tryon" (1771). > After the "rebellion" was crushed at the Battle of Alamance (May 16, 1771), > Husband fled to Maryland under the name "Tuscape Death" and later called > himself "Old Quaker". He only openly reclaimed his own name after the > American Revolution. > > Husband continued his journeys both physical and metaphsical eventually > settling in Western Pennsylvania and becoming a millennial preacher as well > as a political reformer. He called for progressive taxation, paper money, > and, as a proponent of greater participation of common people in government > as well as in religion, more democracy. In 1782 he released a pamphlet > entitled "Proposals to Amend and Perfect the Policy of the Government of the > United States of America" where he argued in favor of smaller legislative > districts and legislatures for each county in order to maximize the > influence of voters. For the first federal elections in 1788 Husband argued > in favor of electing congressmen in districts instead of by the statewide > method that was used. > > His outspoken nature and reputation for radicalism drew him into the poorly > named "Whiskey Rebellion" (1794) where he served as a delegate to the > Parkinson's Ferry and Redstone meetings attempting to moderate the violent > resistance to the burdensome and hated tax on whiskey. He is also associated > with the raising of a liberty pole at Brunerstown Square adorned with an > ensign proclaiming "Liberty and No Excise". When federal troops marched over > the Allegheny Mountains ostensibly to put down the revolt they found no > rioters but a lack of provisions which led to theft from local farmers and > the ignominious name of the "Watermelon Army". The federal forces rounded up > suspects including Husband who was specifically sought after. The detainees > were held in miserable conditions and then marched back east for trial. At > age 73 Herman Husband's constitution didn't fare well under these > circumstances. He was held in Philadelphia for eight months before charges > were dropped and died of illness on his way home in June, 1795. > > "The Ole Crow" > Dick Crow > "Retired & enjoying it!" > rw.crow@verizon.net > Cell: 603-490-0153 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Connie Beachy" <cbeachy@hereintown.net> > To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com>; <pabedfor@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:24 AM > Subject: [MDALLEGA] HERMAN HUSBAND > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Connie, Toscape Death Gloria J. Snyder Admissions Office Susquehanna University Selinsgrove, PA 17857 800.326.9672 snyderg@susqu.edu -----Original Message----- From: pabedfor-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:pabedfor-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Connie Beachy Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:25 AM To: mdallega@rootsweb.com; pabedfor@rootsweb.com Subject: [PABEDFOR] HERMAN HUSBAND I'm sure a lot of you have heard the tale of Herman Husband, who changed his name so he could escape from North Carolina and get back to Pennsylvania. He left his wife and many children at Hagerstown, MD until he found a place for them to live. My question is "What was the that name he used to escape?" I know the word "death" is part of it. Thanks, Connie _______________________________________________ Pabedfor mailing list Pabedfor@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to Pabedfor-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Connie, Found this on Answer.Com regarding Herman Husband: Herman Husband There are very few or no other articles that link to this one. Please help introduce links in articles on related topics. After links have been created, remove this message. This article has been tagged since October 2006. Herman Husband (1724-1795) was a farmer, radical, pamphleteer, and preacher. He was born in Maryland and raised as an Anglican. One of the many to be inspired to the Great Awakening after hearing George Whitefield preach he became disenchanged with his original faith and became a "New Light" Presbyterian and then a Quaker. Moving to North Carolina he established himself as a farmer and religious leader. He was asked to leave the Quaker Meeting and he did so but continued to follow many of their tenets including strict pacifism. Philosophically he was drawn to the wisdom of Ben Franklin. In the 1760s he was involved in the resistance to the corrupt practices of predatory government officials- mainly the lawyers and judges. He was elected to the colony's assembly and spoke out against governmental abuses. His story is reminiscent of that of John Wilkes. He was jailed for speaking out and then set loose when an angry mob of armed backwoods farmers was coming to free him. The resisters organized and began calling themselves "Regulators" because they wanted to regulate the government, that is- to force it to obey the laws. Thus the movement is known as the Regulator Rebellion. Mob action was taken to prevent the worst abuses of the courts. Husband always denied he was a Regulator, and indeed, as a pacifist he wouldn't take part in violence or threats of violence. But he was a spokesman and a symbol for the resistance. He had several tracts printed the best known being "Shew Yourselves to be Freemen" (1769),"An Impartial Relation of the First and Causes of the Recent Differences in Public Affairs" (1770), and "A Fan For Fanning And A Touchstone For Tryon" (1771). After the "rebellion" was crushed at the Battle of Alamance (May 16, 1771), Husband fled to Maryland under the name "Tuscape Death" and later called himself "Old Quaker". He only openly reclaimed his own name after the American Revolution. Husband continued his journeys both physical and metaphsical eventually settling in Western Pennsylvania and becoming a millennial preacher as well as a political reformer. He called for progressive taxation, paper money, and, as a proponent of greater participation of common people in government as well as in religion, more democracy. In 1782 he released a pamphlet entitled "Proposals to Amend and Perfect the Policy of the Government of the United States of America" where he argued in favor of smaller legislative districts and legislatures for each county in order to maximize the influence of voters. For the first federal elections in 1788 Husband argued in favor of electing congressmen in districts instead of by the statewide method that was used. His outspoken nature and reputation for radicalism drew him into the poorly named "Whiskey Rebellion" (1794) where he served as a delegate to the Parkinson's Ferry and Redstone meetings attempting to moderate the violent resistance to the burdensome and hated tax on whiskey. He is also associated with the raising of a liberty pole at Brunerstown Square adorned with an ensign proclaiming "Liberty and No Excise". When federal troops marched over the Allegheny Mountains ostensibly to put down the revolt they found no rioters but a lack of provisions which led to theft from local farmers and the ignominious name of the "Watermelon Army". The federal forces rounded up suspects including Husband who was specifically sought after. The detainees were held in miserable conditions and then marched back east for trial. At age 73 Herman Husband's constitution didn't fare well under these circumstances. He was held in Philadelphia for eight months before charges were dropped and died of illness on his way home in June, 1795. "The Ole Crow" Dick Crow "Retired & enjoying it!" rw.crow@verizon.net Cell: 603-490-0153 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Beachy" <cbeachy@hereintown.net> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com>; <pabedfor@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: [MDALLEGA] HERMAN HUSBAND

I'm sure a lot of you have heard the tale of Herman Husband, who changed his name so he could escape from North Carolina and get back to Pennsylvania. He left his wife and many children at Hagerstown, MD until he found a place for them to live. My question is "What was the that name he used to escape?" I know the word "death" is part of it. Thanks, Connie

Pat, St. Patrick's Catholic Church is located at; 201 N. Center St. Cumberland, MD. 21502 Phone; (301) 777-1750 email; Spcumber@archbalt.org You may want to write or phone the parish office and request information. Send a SASE & we usually include a small donation to the church with our request for record look-up. Hope this helps... Good Luck with your search Take Care Pat H.

Thanks Pat, I have just posted a new topic Genealogy to the forum. Hopefully we can get a chat and sharing of information on that site if it stays up. _http://www.cumberlandchat.com/cgi/Forum/YaBB.pl_ (http://www.cumberlandchat.com/cgi/Forum/YaBB.pl) Thanks again. Pat _patrobison@aol.com_ (mailto:patrobison@aol.com) In a message dated 6/2/2007 8:54:15 PM Central Daylight Time, pattyann.38@verizon.net writes: The website is www.cumberlandchat.com There are lots of political, local and general discussions. Sometimes there are discussions on historical sites in and around the area but mostly they discuss current events. Hope this helps. Take care. Pat H. ===================== From: PATROBISON@aol.com Date: 2007/06/02 Sat PM 08:39:20 CDT To: MDALLEGA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDALLEGA] Cumberland Chat Regarding the Cumberland Chat Website - if this site is up can someone provide me with the website address? Thanks Pat ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

It surprised me that there was only one sponsor and that it was a woman. A sponsor at baptism is one who would see to the religious upbringing of the child should the parents be unable to do so. It has been my experience that the child usually carried the name of a saint and also the name of the sponsor. With the length of time between birth and baptism, I would guess that Sarah Ann McKinzie was a relative perhaps visiting from elsewhere. Have you inquired as to other records for Solomon Jacob - like Confirmation, Marriage etc.? How about other children born to this couple? If this is still an active parish, I'd call and ask for assistance. SS Peter and Paul have a lovely man who volunteers to search their records for a donation to the church. Karen (TX) -----Original Message----- From: mdallega-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdallega-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of PATROBISON@aol.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 8:55 PM To: MDALLEGA-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDALLEGA] Solomon Jacob Robinson Sarah Ann Mckinzie The following information was taken from St. Patricks Church records. Solomon Jacob Robinson son of Solomon & Ellen Robinson was born Feb 28th and baptized June 4, 1843. Sponsor Sarah Ann Mckinzie. Can someone explain what a sponsor is or does? Is there a contact for genealogy purposes/records at St. Patricks? Can anyone identify this family or have any infromation they would like to share? Pat _patrobison@aol.com_ (mailto:patrobison@aol.com) ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message