Pat, thank you for your response about John F. Lewis family. I do not have a copy of the Tiberius manifest, only what I got from a ship's listing of passengers from a website.I would like to have any information you have for John F. an Ann Lewis's children, except for John H. Lewis (my family). This is what I know about John F. b October 31, 1800 and Ann Morgan Lewis's b 1801 children: MARGARET LEWIS, b June 13, 1822 in Wales, d October 21, 1888 m James B. Thomas b November 24, 1822 in Wales HANNAH LEWIS b 1829 ELIZABETH LEWIS b 1831 ANN LEWIS b 1834 in Wales d 1862 m John Davis MARY LEWIS b 1838 in Maryland m John Price JOHN T.LEWIS b September 2, 1853 in Mt. Savage, MD d January 6, 1916; spouse Margaret; I wonder if he is John F. and Ann's son as Ann would have been 52 when he was born. JOHN HARRISON LEWIS (I have a lot of information for him. His daughter Sarah (Sadie) who married Robert Wills was my grandmother. John H. Lewis married Ellen or Elinor Jones on 6 Nov 1863 as you said but I did not have in Fayette County, Pennsylvania. I have two birthplaces for Ellen - one says Fayette County and the other says Bradys Bend, Armstrong County, Pennsylvania. Do you have any idea where you got the Fayette County information - that might help me find Ellen's birthplace and what her father Reese Jones was doing at that time. Ellen Jones Lewis's sisters: Elizabeth (Lizzie) Jones b Nov. 1843 married William D. Arthur b May 1841 in South Wales. I have been trying to find out about her. She once lived in Hazelton,WV then Uniontown, PA. Mary Ann Jones b Aug 16, 1854, d Feb 28, 1932 near Latrobe, PA married William Watkins, I think from Frostburg area. I can connect you to someone in this family. Caroline Jones, b Oct 5, 1857 d March 13, 1876, married someone named Murphy John L. Jones b 1851, d April 1876 no other information Thank you for any help you can give. Janet DeVore "pwthomas@juno.com" <pwthomas@juno.com> wrote: Janet, Did you have a response from your MDALLEGA query regarding the Lewis family? I have been away from my home and computer for the last month. I did check my e-mail but did not have access to my files. I do have information on your Lewis family. My husband's family also came on the Tiberius. If you don't have a copy of the passenger manifest I'll be happy to send you a copy. It's legal size and won't fit in my scanner. His great grandfather was Joseph Benjamin Thomas son of Benjamin and Hannah Thomas. Another son of Benjamin and Hanna married Margaret Lewis, daughter of John F Lewis and Ann Morgan. I have seven children for John F. and Ann Morgan Lewis with marriage for all but Ann and Elizabeth. I show John Harrison marrying Helen Jones 6 Nov 1863 In Fayette CO, PA. Their daughter Mary "Molly" Lewis married John Devore so I guess this must be your family. I have sister "Lizzie" married Arthur (no last name) and married a Watkins. There was a Herbert with wife Jane and daughter Jane and Mary who were on the Tiberius. I have been trying to find as many of the descendants of The Tiberius as possible. Pat Thomas ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing.

For those interested I have three more addresses www.sos.mo.gov/archives/resources/deathcertificates 1910-1916 www.ohiohistory.org/dindex 1913-1944 and last but not least if you dont have it Howard county marriages www.hchsmd.org/marriages.htm now I forget if there is a slash or a . after org and before try it both ways..

Maryland has a death index. The years for the county are 1898 or so to 1944 for the counties and 1898 to 1972 for Baltimore city. You have to search by cards which list the person, date of death, age at death (for most) and age and county. You then have to order the death certificate for 12 for a regular photo copy or 25 for a certified. Most death certificates have mother, father and wife (if married) where buried and cause of death. It is tedious because you have to search by card and date (it is alphabetized by blocks of years) The address is www.mdvitalrec.net hope you find something.

I lost the original e-mail that gave the address of the W.V. birth,death and marriage list (http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_select.aspx) but I want to thank the person who offered this most valuable piece of information. Whoever you are thank you so much for sharing that info with this list. Does Maryland have information on the internet like this? Sincerely, Lois Z ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7

I posted this in response to the resent conversation about Indians and census records. Maybe it will help someone. Different states had different policies on who could claim "Indian, Mulatto or Black". This is just one states policy and a very brief look at a dark part of history that I never member hearing about in school as taking place here in the US. I came across this when doing my own research trying to understand why I could not find one person listed as Indian on the 1880 census for the whole state of Maryland on the CD's I purchased from the LDS site. If you have the CD's you can search by race. I couldn't believe that as I found some in PA claiming NA for Native American. I might that during WWII Indians like Blacks did not receive the same benefits as Caucasian men. I have not looked up WWI but I would suppose that might hold true there also. As I said below you will find just one states policy. If you wish to explore the subject further look up the Eugenics Movement or laws again Indians etc. 20th Century Public Policy 1. 1. Eugenics Movement - period of mistreatment. Eugenics was touted by Virginia policymakers as a "science" to breed better people. Protection of the "white race" any way possible, including the forced sterilization of over 8,300 Virginia citizens deemed "feeble-minded." 2. 2. Racial Integrity Law, 1924 - institutionalized eugenics and racial apartheid. Recognized only 2 races: white and colored. Forbid marriage across color lines. Not ended until Loving v. Virginia, a Supreme Court case that finally ended the prohibition against mixed marriages 3. 3. Walter Plecker led the movement for "racial cleansing." Director of Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics, 1916-1946. An internationally known eugenicist. He pursued a person mission to eliminate Indians as a people. 4. 4. Plecker reclassifies race category on birth, death, and marriage certificates - must be either "colored" or white 5. 5. Plecker threatened any midwife who identified any newborn as American Indian 6. 6. He had all Indians he could identify (using native surnames and 1705 "mulatto" designations) classified as "Negroes" 7. 7. Eugenics movement was devastating to Virginia's Indians -purging of their real identities in local records meant they had no way later to prove their Indian ancestry. They were also forced to marry only "coloreds"

I believe that Winchester Rd. (Route 53) that runs from Cresaptown, past St. Ambrose Church to Pinto, MD used to be called Virginia Rd. There used to be a bridge at Pinto crossing the Potamac River into West Virginia (or Virginia pre-civil war). The road continued on to Winchester, VA. Jan --- Nora Avery-Wickham <cozycottage2005@bellsouth.net> wrote: > I'm interested in finding out where in Cresaptown > was Virginia Street in > both 1841 and 1925. > > My G-G Grandfather-Daniel Hutson, my G > Grandfather-John Bell Hutson, > and my Grandmother Armenia Susan Hutson Avery owned > property there. It > is listed on the deeds as Lot No. 2, fronting on > Virginia Street 82 1/2 > feet and running back 165 feet. > > While visiting Cumberland a few weeks ago I looked > in Cresaptown and > consulted the post office, but the street name has > changed. I ran out of > time or would have checked old maps at the public > library. > > Thanks. > > Nora Avery > Florida > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ____________________________________________________________________________________ No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail

In a message dated 6/26/2007 8:56:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sprowls@ncweb.com writes: Native Americans were listed as Negro or Mulatto in the census records - they were not considered Indian or white - ruth Is this always the case? We were told that a grandmother way back was an "indian". Maybe it was the grandfather instead. Even though census info says he came from Wales? The curious thing in the WWI record is that the box "negro" is checked, but then beside it the box for "dark brown" or "dark" is checked rather than "black". I don't have it in front of me, but something like that. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I need a death certificate from March 3, 1992, and can someone tell me where I can send for it and pay with a credit card.................Thank You.......... P. S. It is for Cumbeland, Maryland............Pauline

Ruth~ Also be aware that many stated white/Caucasian. My daughter-in-law has Native American in her heritage. When she and her parents tried to trace this line in order to take advantage of tuition help by the government for university it was impossible. All her native American ancestors on records for race had placed white/Caucasian D/T the racism connected for jobs, financing, etc. The timeline was late 19th and 20th century in OH. Mary Ellen Chambers Ruth Sprowls <sprowls@ncweb.com> wrote: Native Americans were listed as Negro or Mulatto in the census records - they were not considered Indian or white - ruth ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Native Americans were listed as Negro or Mulatto in the census records - they were not considered Indian or white - ruth

I hope someone has the answer to your question. I have a g, grandmother (at least I think she is mine). In the 1880 WV census her father is listed as white, the "mother" is listed as other and by her maiden name; indicating they were not married but the children are all listed with the father's surname. "Wife" and children were listed in the census record as mulatto. I am like you; who decided the race? My grandmother told me "one of your g, grandmothers was Indian" (Native American). I found all the other great grandmothers; none would have had mixed blood so my question would be; was this g, grandmother listed as mulatto because she had Native American blood or some other mix? It is obvious that something was going on since the mother did not carry the same surname as the father and the children. I just want to find information for this g, grandmother and I really don't care how she was classified race wise but it is hard to find answers to some questions. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SuJoLy@aol.com> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Draft Reg. Card I have a question about WW registration cards. On a WWI registration card "John Thomas SR" is listed as negro. On a WWII registration card, "John Thomas JR" is listed as white. Did the person doing the registration look at the person registering and decide his race, or did the person who appeared to register state his race? SR was not negro, as far as I know, but would have had a very dark complexion, as evident in the family line. Or maybe this is just a mistake in the registration cards? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a question about WW registration cards. On a WWI registration card "John Thomas SR" is listed as negro. On a WWII registration card, "John Thomas JR" is listed as white. Did the person doing the registration look at the person registering and decide his race, or did the person who appeared to register state his race? SR was not negro, as far as I know, but would have had a very dark complexion, as evident in the family line. Or maybe this is just a mistake in the registration cards? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Something similar happened when one of my cousin ancestors completed a marriage license. They were listed as colored. They were not. Some how who ever filled out the form listed it wrong. So it does happen.

Thanks, Phyllis. That's terrific! > Sheryl, > Lucy Pape Rizer was a half-sister of my grandfather Aaron Snyder. > I sent your inquiry to one of her direct descendants. Hope she can help > you.

Sheryl, Lucy Pape Rizer was a half-sister of my grandfather Aaron Snyder. I sent your inquiry to one of her direct descendants. Hope she can help you. Phyllis<BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> See what's free at http://www.aol.com.</HTML>

Sheryl, Alfred Rizer, born Jul 1871 married 18 Aug 1894 Lucy Cinderella Pape. I have 5 children for them. 1. Henry b 1896 2. James b 1898. 3. Eliza b. 1900 and 4. Ivy b. 1902 Alfred's father was Simeon Rizer 1836 - 1898. His mother Henrietta Holtzman 1835 - 1923. They had 11 children. Simeon's father was Martin Rizer b. 1796. His mother Elizabeth Blubaugh, born 1804 Henrietta's father was William Holtzman born 1818, her mother was Nancy born 1820. Pat

I can't give you the whole story, but it is NOT TRUE that ALL of them are that way - Refer to Ancestry's explanation - They are aware of the problem and are working on a fix. It only affected part of the collection, and that affected part may already be fixed! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Hello, all. I am looking for a Rizer family - Alfred and Lucy Rizer...think her maiden name was Pape, who had several children and lived in Frostburg area. Were there in 1930. Alfred was 57 & Lucy 53, and still had several children at home. One girl Ivy, married an Urban. Any info or contacts would be most appreciated. Sheryl Kelso hskelso@atlanticbb.net

Janet, Did you have a response from your MDALLEGA query regarding the Lewis family? I have been away from my home and computer for the last month. I did check my e-mail but did not have access to my files. I do have information on your Lewis family. My husband's family also came on the Tiberius. If you don't have a copy of the passenger manifest I'll be happy to send you a copy. It's legal size and won't fit in my scanner. His great grandfather was Joseph Benjamin Thomas son of Benjamin and Hannah Thomas. Another son of Benjamin and Hanna married Margaret Lewis, daughter of John F Lewis and Ann Morgan. I have seven children for John F. and Ann Morgan Lewis with marriage for all but Ann and Elizabeth. I show John Harrison marrying Helen Jones 6 Nov 1863 In Fayette CO, PA. Their daughter Mary "Molly" Lewis married John Devore so I guess this must be your family. I have sister "Lizzie" married Arthur (no last name) and married a Watkins. There was a Herbert with wife Jane and daughter Jane and Mary who were on the Tiberius. I have been trying to find as many of the descendants of The Tiberius as possible. Pat Thomas

How would you ever display such a large tree? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Crow" <rw.crow@verizon.net> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Print out all-in-one tree from Family Tree Maker Chere, Try Staples. I have had things printed at my local Staples here in NH. Check with them as to what format they can work with. They have machines that can print 3' wide and as long as you might need be. "The Ole Crow" Dick Crow "Retired & enjoying it!" rw.crow@verizon.net Cell: 603-490-0153 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Lock" <texasyankee@cableone.net> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Print out all-in-one tree from Family Tree Maker > Chere, I'm interested in just how you can do this. (22' x3'). I've never > seen/heard of a pedigree chart that large. I'd love to see the finished > product, as we are in the planning stages for a reunion next year. > > Judy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chere Athey" <athey12@yahoo.com> > To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 11:54 AM > Subject: [MDALLEGA] Print out all-in-one tree from Family Tree Maker > > >> It's countdown time for our family reunion on July 7th and I have >> combined >> the 4 families, McFarlane, Ritchie, Stevenson, and Wrights into an >> all-in-one tree beginning with the oldest in Family Tree Maker. Since it >> has some photos, it's quite a large file and will be approx. 22' x 3 ' >> (ft). >> Has anyone had positive experience with a local Cumberland printer >> capable >> of printing their tree from either a .pdf file or the Family Tree Maker >> program? If not local, any printing service that will print it? >> >> Thanks ~Chere >> >> Claire <gen67@bellsouth.net> wrote: At Ancestry.com they make a statement >> about certain states which were not microfilmed correctly and you should >> not pay attention to the second half of the card as it belongs to someone >> else. So the answer is true. >> >> Claire >> >>> >>> From: Chere Athey >>> Date: 2007/06/24 Sun AM 04:54:10 EST >>> To: mdallega@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [MDALLEGA] Draft Reg. Card >>> >>> Is it true that on ALL 1942 registration cards, the second page >>> belongs >>> to someone else? >>> We have 2 draft reg cards for our great-uncle, James A. Garfield >>> McFarlane; 1918 says he has blue eyes and medium build 1942 says he is >>> 5'11" and brown eyes. We read somewhere that the 1942 draft reg >>> cards, >>> 2nd pages were "glued" to the wrong person. >>> >>> What do you think? Are the second pages all wrong? >>> >>> Thanks, ~Chere and her cousin Carolyn >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message