I do not believe that Melungeons were in Kentucky. I think they were Virginia or NC. There is a book on the Melungeons. They had blond hair and blue eyes. Some say they are the decedents of Virginia Dare or Norris men. Check on Amazon for the book. Mark Middleton markmid@atlanticbb.net 301-722-6062 -----Original Message----- From: mdallega-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdallega-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of SuJoLy@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:33 PM To: mdallega@rootsweb.com Subject: [MDALLEGA] native americans in western Maryland My ancestor listed as "negro" was probably Native American or at least part Native American. I guess its not possible to find out which tribe? What tribes were native to Western Maryland? Lonaconing? Also, I have traced another branch of my family to Bath County Kentucky and the melungeons. Melungeons were a mixed race of Native American/white/spanish or native american/black/spanish. (or any of a number of other races depending on who you ask). Anyone know what native american tribe or tribes mixed with these Appalachian people? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My husband is from western New York and we were always told his grandfather was American Indian - turns out he was from Mexico - seems in my husband's family it was better to marry a "heathen Indian" than a Catholic Mexican - I smile all the way to Mass on Sunday!

Ellen, I have a friend back in Frostburg from the same line as you. I expect I got most of the information from her. She does have e-mail but I didn't think to ask her for an address when I saw her a week or so ago at that class reunion I attended. Her husband was a classmate. The 1900 census lists Ellen's name as Helen as says she had 12 children with 9 living at that time. Since she died in Westernport 14 Sep 1936 I expect you can probably get a death certificate and may give more information. Send me your snail address to pwthomas@juno.com and I will send you the copy of the passenger manifest of the Tiberius. I also wonder about John T. Lewis. Children are often traded around with information regarding who might have actually been the parents sort of traded around by word of mouth among the family members.

My ancestor listed as "negro" was probably Native American or at least part Native American. I guess its not possible to find out which tribe? What tribes were native to Western Maryland? Lonaconing? Also, I have traced another branch of my family to Bath County Kentucky and the melungeons. Melungeons were a mixed race of Native American/white/spanish or native american/black/spanish. (or any of a number of other races depending on who you ask). Anyone know what native american tribe or tribes mixed with these Appalachian people? ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

It's called Eichhorn-McKenzie now; 8 E. Main St. Lonaconing, MD 301-463-5535 Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Thanks Ruth. Ruth Sprowls wrote: Try the Eichorn funeral home - it is on the main street in Lonaconing, right before you get to Douglas AVe. My great great grandmother Mary Kirkwood Hamilton died in 1914 and Eichorn handled her arrangements. AS they did for all my family, I believe. My Hamilton and Allerdice ancestors also lived on Douglas Ave. ruth Sprowls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks so much. Ruth also suggested them. Will check in the a.m. Mary Ellen Chambers jsasol@bellsouth.net wrote: Maybe Eichorn Funeral Home in Lonaconing....not sure when it started business. > > From: Mary Ellen Chambers > Date: 2007/06/28 Thu PM 07:06:35 EDT > To: MDALLEGA-L > Subject: [MDALLEGA] Funeral Homes/Directors for Lonoconing & Midland > 1917-1925 > > Would anyone on the list know of funeral homes which were in business from about 1917? Also, that are still functioning at the present time? We are still looking for some record of the death of Thomas J. CHAMBERS. We know he was alive but ill in 1917, living in Midland. Previously, he lived with his family on Douglas St. in Lonoconing. There is no record of his death with the Maryland Archives. He is not in the 1920 census. His wife Emeline had expired before 1915. We have her certificate and been to her grave. Thomas is not on record as being buried with her. Thomas was born in Ireland in 1837. He was a miner. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > Lakewood, OH > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Ruth. Ruth Sprowls <sprowls@ncweb.com> wrote: Try the Eichorn funeral home - it is on the main street in Lonaconing, right before you get to Douglas AVe. My great great grandmother Mary Kirkwood Hamilton died in 1914 and Eichorn handled her arrangements. AS they did for all my family, I believe. My Hamilton and Allerdice ancestors also lived on Douglas Ave. ruth Sprowls ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Trying to contact Ree who snail mailed me info on a Job Robinson in Harrison Co, WV, lost your e-mail address. Would like to learn more about you Caleb Robinson who married a Catherine Sigler, sister to your Anna Sigler in Allegany Co., MD. Pat Fairview, Texas _patrobison@aol.com_ (mailto:patrobison@aol.com) Researching Abe, Baldwin, Conley, Cox, Crawfice, Crawfries, Dils, Fleming, Harman, Harmon, Haught, Kaylor, McKenzie, Morris, Myers, Miers, Robison, Robinson, Sinnett, Sannet, Sinotte, Senit, Stottlemyer, Wagoner, Wagner ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Pauline, If you know which funeral home handled the burial, and can prove you are related, they may have a copy of the death certificate in their files. Just a suggestion. Phyllis<BR><BR><BR>**************************************<BR> See what's free at http://www.aol.com.</HTML>

Would anyone on the list know of funeral homes which were in business from about 1917? Also, that are still functioning at the present time? We are still looking for some record of the death of Thomas J. CHAMBERS. We know he was alive but ill in 1917, living in Midland. Previously, he lived with his family on Douglas St. in Lonoconing. There is no record of his death with the Maryland Archives. He is not in the 1920 census. His wife Emeline had expired before 1915. We have her certificate and been to her grave. Thomas is not on record as being buried with her. Thomas was born in Ireland in 1837. He was a miner. Mary Ellen Chambers Lakewood, OH

Kathi, Thank you so very much for sending me this info, I knew there was another way to get a death certificate, other than snail mail , but I did not know how to send on line...........Pauline ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathi Jones-Hudson" <mdcemmy@yahoo.com> To: <mdallega@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] Fw: Death Certificates > Pauline: > > MD Dept. of Health and Mental Hygiene, Vital Records: > http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/lifeevents/birth&deathcert.htm > You can order online via Vital Check and pay by credit > card. > > However there is a limitation on who can order d/c's" > "Copies of Maryland death certificates will be issued > to the decedent's mother, father, spouse or child. All > other applicants must contact Maryland Vital Records > directly." > > Maryland death certificates are sealed for many years > unless you are a direct relative or need it for legal > purposes. > > > > Kathi Jones-Hudson > MD Tombstone Transcription Project Manager > http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/maryland/maryland.html > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for earth-friendly autos? > Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. > http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ellen, This movement was not just against Blacks and Indians it was much darker than that. When most people think of "creating a superior race" they think of Hitler. This did not start with him he just took it to extremes. Look it up. It's scary. I only mentioned it because I think it was the root of some policies which lead to omission of information on records and tight lips in families.

Hi, I would suggest that you call Scarpelli's Funeral Home 301-724-4600, they will order death certs. Or if you know the funeral home that the person was at call them, they will have it on file. BJ -----Original Message----- From: mdallega-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdallega-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pauline Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:10 AM To: MDALLEGA Subject: [MDALLEGA] Fw: Death Certificates ----- Original Message ----- From: Pauline To: mdallega@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Death Certificates I need a death certificate from March 3, 1992, and can someone tell me where I can send for it and pay with a credit card.................Thank You.......... P. S. It is for Cumbeland, Maryland............Pauline Does anyone know of a phone number I can call and order one , I need it yesterday..............Pauline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you order from the online site, which had death certificates 1898-1944 counties, or up to 1972 Baltimore City there is no required verification. You only get the form send it away and they mail you the photocopy with a 12.00 check. Now if you want a certified copy there may be verification required, I never ordered one, because the photocopy gives me the info I need.

Carol~ Isn't that an "eye" opener!!??!! I found that out when my daughter-in-law told me of her & her parents quest for proof of her g grandparents ethnic background in north west Ohio! I know I came across prejudice of this type from a co worker in the Health Care area a few years back. She had come from the Dakotas and was quite verbal about her racism for native Americans. It just shocked me! My daughter-in-law has a wonderful ethnic background of Irish, Italian and Native American. When I look at the 2 beautiful grandchildren she & my son have, I hope I will have their ancestors stories all complete for them to read & be proud some day of it! Mary Ellen Chambers carol vivier <Carolvivier@ca.rr.com> wrote: I posted this in response to the resent conversation about Indians and census records. Maybe it will help someone. Different states had different policies on who could claim "Indian, Mulatto or Black". This is just one states policy and a very brief look at a dark part of history that I never member hearing about in school as taking place here in the US. I came across this when doing my own research trying to understand why I could not find one person listed as Indian on the 1880 census for the whole state of Maryland on the CD's I purchased from the LDS site. If you have the CD's you can search by race. I couldn't believe that as I found some in PA claiming NA for Native American. I might that during WWII Indians like Blacks did not receive the same benefits as Caucasian men. I have not looked up WWI but I would suppose that might hold true there also. As I said below you will find just one states policy. If you wish to explore the subject further look up the Eugenics Movement or laws again Indians etc. 20th Century Public Policy 1. 1. Eugenics Movement - period of mistreatment. Eugenics was touted by Virginia policymakers as a "science" to breed better people. Protection of the "white race" any way possible, including the forced sterilization of over 8,300 Virginia citizens deemed "feeble-minded." 2. 2. Racial Integrity Law, 1924 - institutionalized eugenics and racial apartheid. Recognized only 2 races: white and colored. Forbid marriage across color lines. Not ended until Loving v. Virginia, a Supreme Court case that finally ended the prohibition against mixed marriages 3. 3. Walter Plecker led the movement for "racial cleansing." Director of Virginia Bureau of Vital Statistics, 1916-1946. An internationally known eugenicist. He pursued a person mission to eliminate Indians as a people. 4. 4. Plecker reclassifies race category on birth, death, and marriage certificates - must be either "colored" or white 5. 5. Plecker threatened any midwife who identified any newborn as American Indian 6. 6. He had all Indians he could identify (using native surnames and 1705 "mulatto" designations) classified as "Negroes" 7. 7. Eugenics movement was devastating to Virginia's Indians -purging of their real identities in local records meant they had no way later to prove their Indian ancestry. They were also forced to marry only "coloreds" ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: Pauline To: mdallega@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 11:02 AM Subject: Death Certificates I need a death certificate from March 3, 1992, and can someone tell me where I can send for it and pay with a credit card.................Thank You.......... P. S. It is for Cumbeland, Maryland............Pauline Does anyone know of a phone number I can call and order one , I need it yesterday..............Pauline

Pauline: MD Dept. of Health and Mental Hygiene, Vital Records: http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/lifeevents/birth&deathcert.htm You can order online via Vital Check and pay by credit card. However there is a limitation on who can order d/c's" "Copies of Maryland death certificates will be issued to the decedent's mother, father, spouse or child. All other applicants must contact Maryland Vital Records directly." Maryland death certificates are sealed for many years unless you are a direct relative or need it for legal purposes. Kathi Jones-Hudson MD Tombstone Transcription Project Manager http://www.rootsweb.com/~cemetery/maryland/maryland.html ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/

Unnamed babies would not have a first name. On first names it could be that the death certificate had both first and middle and that is what was transcribed. On the names of the parents - remember the person who gave the information may not have had the correct information. I have found on one of my relatives the mother listed was actually a step mother - because the person who gave the information did not know about the first wife as she died very young and the children were raised by the step mother. Just a thought

While scanning the md vital records, I noticed one thing that I hadn't noticed before. Some of the "cards" (I was looking under surname Green) have no first name, and some of the have two names. I'm assuming husband and wife. Does anyone know why this is? I also assume that if its missing a first name is because it was illegible on the original. And is it possible that the husband and wife died at the same time? Also, when I received my copy of a death certificate it had different names for my g grandparents than we thought. Anyone have ideas how to take this further to prove or disprove this? Louann Kiddy Creasy Researching: Kiddy, Knott, Dayton, and Green from Westernport, Luke, and Lonaconing, MD areas -----Original Message----- From: mdallega-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mdallega-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Marge Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:57 PM To: mdallega@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDALLEGA] valuable info Maryland has a death index. The years for the county are 1898 or so to 1944 for the counties and 1898 to 1972 for Baltimore city. You have to search by cards which list the person, date of death, age at death (for most) and age and county. You then have to order the death certificate for 12 for a regular photo copy or 25 for a certified. Most death certificates have mother, father and wife (if married) where buried and cause of death. It is tedious because you have to search by card and date (it is alphabetized by blocks of years) The address is www.mdvitalrec.net hope you find something. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MDALLEGA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it might be an infant - who died in childbirth. Down in the left corner is.....example 1 W of 45 C is written on the cards. Some don't have this but if they do it tells the age and race.