Hi, the name as given by the family in an extensive family tree put together in the late 1800s was Schuechen However.. the clerks in KY soon change this to all types of spelling.. even his lst name got mangled... Boston instead of Sebastion. etc. Have to chuckle as my father was always talking about his "Irish Grandmother" Kate Shehan. Ha!! the 1880 census proves Sebastion was b in Germany. Sebastion had a dau still living in 1880 at age 80 and she gives her father born in Germany and mother in MD.. True. There area other tid bits of proof etc. Mary Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth L. Dunlap" <rdunlap@tsf.net> To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Sources: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers > Mary Ann- > Was the name Schuechen that of a female ancestor? The reason I ask is > that -en or -in was added to the women's surname, a German form of gender > identification. The Journal registry (in 1991 issue) of Hessian soldiers' > names include Schuchard, Schuebel, Schuetze which are similar. The spelling > of the German names varied so much I have at times given up (temporarily!) > in disgust. Just a thought. Ruth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <maryshoe@cox.net> > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:55 AM > Subject: Re: Sources: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers > > > > Thanks > > mary Ann > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ruth L. Dunlap" <rdunlap@tsf.net> > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:30 PM > > Subject: Sources: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers > > > > > > > "Journal of the Johannes Schwalm Historical Association, Inc." Box 99, > > > Pennsauken NJ 08110 > > > > > > (subscription price is not given, but has probably gone up since 1991 > when > > I > > > subscribed) published quarterly > > > > > > Statement says: The Johannnes Schwalm Historical Association, Inc. is a > > > non-profit organization dedicated to researching, collecting and > > > disseminating data relating to German auxilliaries to the British Crown > > who > > > fought in the Revolutionary War and their descendants. All objects, > > > documents, books and materials owned by the Association are available > for > > > research and examination by the public at Lancaster County Historical > > > Society in Pennsylvania, which is the official depository of the > > > Association's records. > > > > > > References given in one of the articles include: > > > > > > "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" (Hetrina) > in > > > German but names, etc. can be read. Gives the birth year and village > from > > > Hessian records. Available in major libraries. > > > > > > "The Settlement of Former Auxiliary Troops in Canada After the American > > > Revolution" by Virginia Easly Demarce > > > > > > German-American Genealogical Research Monograph No. 5" by Clifford Neal > > > Smith > > > > > > Ruth > > > Illinois > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <maryshoe@cox.net> > > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:28 AM > > > Subject: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers and bachman valley > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate the name and address of the publication if it is > not > > > too > > > > much of a problem > > > > Thanks. > > > > Mary Ann > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ruth L. Dunlap" <rdunlap@tsf.net> > > > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:42 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers and bachman valley > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a multi-volume German compilation in major US libraries > > called > > > > > "Hetrina" detailing the Hessian soldiers unit records (enlistment > and > > > > > service). > > > > > > > > > > There is also a quarterly publication by the Johannes Schwalm > > foundation > > > > > which has a lot of information on the Hessians soldiers who stayed > in > > > > > America. I subscribed for a couple years as I have one who was a > > > prisoner > > > > > of war at the Hessian barracks in Frederick MD and married a local > > girl. > > > > > They lived across the river in Loudoun Co. VA. The area had been > > > settled > > > > by > > > > > many Germans so the Hessians blended in very well. > > > > > > > > > > If you want the name and address of the Schwalm publication, I can > > dig > > > it > > > > > out of my file - > > > > > Ruth > > > > > Illinois > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <maryshoe@cox.net> > > > > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:08 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers and bachman valley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for replying.. I am looking for my ancestor Johann > Sebastion > > > > > > Schuechen, name became early on Sebastion Shehan. He was in what > > is > > > > now > > > > > > Nelson Co. KY (then VA) by 1788 when thre were still some > Indian > > > > raids. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a Hessian soldier with that exact name so.. wondering.. > > The > > > > > > Ambrose family of Frederick Co. MD settled in the "Germantown" > area > > > near > > > > > > present day Bardstown, Nelson Co. KY in the same time frame as my > > > > > Sebastion > > > > > > Shehan. > > > > > > > > > > > > However.. there is also in one of the PA Newspaper where in 1786 a > > > Jacob > > > > > > Fisher, school teachers of Berks Co.PA is inquiring of the > > whereabouts > > > > of > > > > > > Johanne Sebastion Schuechen... and Jacob Duch...... > > > > > > They left Amsterdam on such and such a date came from etc.. great > > > > > > information if.. this is definitely my Sebastion. There is no > > question > > > > of > > > > > > the name of my ancestor.. Johann Sebastion Schuechen.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enough. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > mary ann > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: <Twarogk@aol.com> > > > > > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:18 PM > > > > > > Subject: [MDFred] hessian soldiers and bachman valley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know, personally, of anyone who has researched the > Hessian > > > > > > soliders > > > > > > > who were, first, prisoners-of-war in Frederick County, and then > > > > decided > > > > > > > [either during or just after the Revolutionary War] to become > > > citizens > > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > new United States of America. > > > > > > > I believe that many of them finally lived in Bachman > > Valley, > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > upper northeast part of old Frederick County. Today, that is in > > > > Carroll > > > > > > > County, MD. Someone at the Carroll County Historical Society > said > > > > that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > names, at least, of some of them are listed in one of the > > Frederick > > > > > County > > > > > > > publications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My family lived near them but was not one of those > > > families. > > > > I > > > > > > > believe that there is a Lutheran Church in Bachman Valley that > was > > > > > founded > > > > > > or > > > > > > > attended by the former soldiers. I think many married the > > daughters > > > > of > > > > > > > families in the area or, perhaps, in some instances, made > > > arrangements > > > > > for > > > > > > > their own families to come to the area.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be a fascinating bit of American history..good > > luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > > > > > > > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, > > > > > > go to: > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Have you tried looking at the Washington County, Maryland site at: > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdwashin/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > > > > > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > > > > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > Have you looked for information at the Pennsylvania Dutch website at: > > > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > No FLAMING Allowed here! 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I have had similar experiences. The German names drive me up a wall. I have Greib which evolved over about 50 years to Gripe then to Cripe and Reubsamin (several spellings) which was translated and then used as Turnipseed - and others. The spellings get so far out one does not know if it is the person we want or someone else entirely. Without some clues of these changes, one can lose the trail completely. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <maryshoe@cox.net> To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 7:35 AM Subject: Re: Sources: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers > Hi, the name as given by the family in an extensive family tree put together > in the late 1800s was Schuechen > > However.. the clerks in KY soon change this to all types of spelling.. even > his lst name got mangled... Boston instead of Sebastion. etc. > > Have to chuckle as my father was always talking about his "Irish > Grandmother" Kate Shehan. Ha!! the 1880 census proves Sebastion was b in > Germany. Sebastion had a dau still living in 1880 at age 80 and she gives > her father born in Germany and mother in MD.. True. There area other tid > bits of proof etc. > > Mary Ann > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth L. Dunlap" <rdunlap@tsf.net> > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 11:41 PM > Subject: Re: Sources: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers > > > > Mary Ann- > > Was the name Schuechen that of a female ancestor? The reason I ask is > > that -en or -in was added to the women's surname, a German form of gender > > identification. The Journal registry (in 1991 issue) of Hessian > soldiers' > > names include Schuchard, Schuebel, Schuetze which are similar. The > spelling > > of the German names varied so much I have at times given up (temporarily!) > > in disgust. Just a thought. Ruth > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <maryshoe@cox.net> > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 7:55 AM > > Subject: Re: Sources: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers > > > > > > > Thanks > > > mary Ann > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ruth L. Dunlap" <rdunlap@tsf.net> > > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:30 PM > > > Subject: Sources: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers > > > > > > > > > > "Journal of the Johannes Schwalm Historical Association, Inc." Box > 99, > > > > Pennsauken NJ 08110 > > > > > > > > (subscription price is not given, but has probably gone up since 1991 > > when > > > I > > > > subscribed) published quarterly > > > > > > > > Statement says: The Johannnes Schwalm Historical Association, Inc. is > a > > > > non-profit organization dedicated to researching, collecting and > > > > disseminating data relating to German auxilliaries to the British > Crown > > > who > > > > fought in the Revolutionary War and their descendants. All objects, > > > > documents, books and materials owned by the Association are available > > for > > > > research and examination by the public at Lancaster County Historical > > > > Society in Pennsylvania, which is the official depository of the > > > > Association's records. > > > > > > > > References given in one of the articles include: > > > > > > > > "Hessische Truppen im Amerikanischen Unabhaengigkeitskrieg" (Hetrina) > > in > > > > German but names, etc. can be read. Gives the birth year and village > > from > > > > Hessian records. Available in major libraries. > > > > > > > > "The Settlement of Former Auxiliary Troops in Canada After the > American > > > > Revolution" by Virginia Easly Demarce > > > > > > > > German-American Genealogical Research Monograph No. 5" by Clifford > Neal > > > > Smith > > > > > > > > Ruth > > > > Illinois > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <maryshoe@cox.net> > > > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:28 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers and bachman valley > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would appreciate the name and address of the publication if it is > > not > > > > too > > > > > much of a problem > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > Mary Ann > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Ruth L. Dunlap" <rdunlap@tsf.net> > > > > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:42 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers and bachman valley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a multi-volume German compilation in major US libraries > > > called > > > > > > "Hetrina" detailing the Hessian soldiers unit records (enlistment > > and > > > > > > service). > > > > > > > > > > > > There is also a quarterly publication by the Johannes Schwalm > > > foundation > > > > > > which has a lot of information on the Hessians soldiers who stayed > > in > > > > > > America. I subscribed for a couple years as I have one who was a > > > > prisoner > > > > > > of war at the Hessian barracks in Frederick MD and married a local > > > girl. > > > > > > They lived across the river in Loudoun Co. VA. The area had been > > > > settled > > > > > by > > > > > > many Germans so the Hessians blended in very well. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you want the name and address of the Schwalm publication, I > can > > > dig > > > > it > > > > > > out of my file - > > > > > > Ruth > > > > > > Illinois > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Mary Ann Shoemaker" <maryshoe@cox.net> > > > > > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:08 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [MDFred] hessian soldiers and bachman valley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for replying.. I am looking for my ancestor Johann > > Sebastion > > > > > > > Schuechen, name became early on Sebastion Shehan. He was in > what > > > is > > > > > now > > > > > > > Nelson Co. KY (then VA) by 1788 when thre were still some > > Indian > > > > > raids. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a Hessian soldier with that exact name so.. wondering.. > > > The > > > > > > > Ambrose family of Frederick Co. MD settled in the "Germantown" > > area > > > > near > > > > > > > present day Bardstown, Nelson Co. KY in the same time frame as > my > > > > > > Sebastion > > > > > > > Shehan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However.. there is also in one of the PA Newspaper where in 1786 > a > > > > Jacob > > > > > > > Fisher, school teachers of Berks Co.PA is inquiring of the > > > whereabouts > > > > > of > > > > > > > Johanne Sebastion Schuechen... and Jacob Duch...... > > > > > > > They left Amsterdam on such and such a date came from etc.. > great > > > > > > > information if.. this is definitely my Sebastion. There is no > > > question > > > > > of > > > > > > > the name of my ancestor.. Johann Sebastion Schuechen.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Enough. > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > mary ann > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: <Twarogk@aol.com> > > > > > > > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 4:18 PM > > > > > > > Subject: [MDFred] hessian soldiers and bachman valley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know, personally, of anyone who has researched the > > Hessian > > > > > > > soliders > > > > > > > > who were, first, prisoners-of-war in Frederick County, and > then > > > > > decided > > > > > > > > [either during or just after the Revolutionary War] to become > > > > citizens > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > new United States of America. > > > > > > > > I believe that many of them finally lived in Bachman > > > Valley, > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > upper northeast part of old Frederick County. Today, that is > in > > > > > Carroll > > > > > > > > County, MD. Someone at the Carroll County Historical Society > > said > > > > > that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > names, at least, of some of them are listed in one of the > > > Frederick > > > > > > County > > > > > > > > publications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My family lived near them but was not one of those > > > > families. > > > > > I > > > > > > > > believe that there is a Lutheran Church in Bachman Valley that > > was > > > > > > founded > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > attended by the former soldiers. I think many married the > > > daughters > > > > > of > > > > > > > > families in the area or, perhaps, in some instances, made > > > > arrangements > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > their own families to come to the area.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be a fascinating bit of American history..good > > > luck. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > > > > > > > > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online > genealogy > > > > > > records, > > > > > > > go to: > > > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > Have you tried looking at the Washington County, Maryland site > at: > > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~mdwashin/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > > records, > > > > > > go to: > > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > > > > > > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > > records, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > The OFFICIAL website for this list is: > > > > > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/MD/frederick/ > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > > records, > > > > go to: > > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > > Have you looked for information at the Pennsylvania Dutch website at: > > > > http://midatlantic.rootsweb.com/padutch/ > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MD-FRED-GEN Mailing List ==== > > > No FLAMING Allowed here! 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