i'm looking for imformation on william henry hiltner , married to adelaide augusta (six) hiltner. his father was jacob hiltner and his mother was elizabeth (fairnow) hiltner. wm and adelaide lived in frederick,md. adelaide hiltner's mother was georgianna hamilton and her father was john t. six. if any one has any imformation i would appreciate hearing from you.

I am in need of someone to help me obtain information about a marriage and where I can get a copy of the marriage document of Elizabeth Travers Chinn and John Wilson married June 8 1796 in Frederick Co. Md. I am having difficulty navigating the web site. Janean Ray

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In a message dated 8/5/02 2:51:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time, artislelo@pe.net writes: Artis: Thank you for writing. I'm looking for a Garad (Garrard) Davis who owned land in Frederick County, MD in 1745. My 4th great-grandfather, Benjamin Davis was born in May 1776 in MD the son of a Garrard Davies. I don't know if the father, Garrard was indeed the same man who owned the land in Frederick County in 1745. He may well have been the grandfather. Garrard Davis, the father of Benjamin, moved to Mason County, KY in c1796 and died there in 1802 or 1804. My Benjamin married Estella (Stella) Phillips dau of George Phillips and his wife Mary (Bell). Both Benjamin and Stella moved to Camden, Schuyler County, IL in 1832 and died there. Benjamin had a brother named Garrard who married an Elizabeth McDermott or McDermod in Frederick County in 1795. I believe her father's name was Francis. He also moved to Mason County, KY. At one time, I read in a book "Monacoy?" (spelling is off) of a Welsh section in Frederick County. One of the names was Mathias Davis who was a Quaker. I don't think my Davis' were Quakers because they were slaveowners. However, there were a group of Quakers that did own slaves. I understand from someone on this list that Mathias is a German name; it can also be a Welsh name. The name of Mathias, as a surname, shows up all over Wales. I expect that the original spelling of this name of Davis was DAVIES which is pronounced the same as Davis in Wales. They don't pronounce the "e" there. Hope someone can help me. Thanks, Annie > Re: [MDFred] Research > Date:8/5/02 2:51:31 PM Pacific Daylight Time > From: artislelo@pe.net (Artis) > To: MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com > CC: cardi2@aol.com > > > > > Annie: > > If you share with us your family name, dates, location, etc., someone out > there in www land might just have the info you need. > >

Annie: If you share with us your family name, dates, location, etc., someone out there in www land might just have the info you need. Artis Researching in Frederick Co., MD: HEAD; BECKWITH; BUTLER/BOTELER; BIGGER; LEHR; MC DANIEL; KENDALL; WOOD; BEALL; LIVERS ----- Original Message ----- From: <Cardi2@aol.com> To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: [MDFred] Germans > Hi: > > I sent an email earlier today re the Welsh in Frederick County. I just want > to say that I have nothing against Germans or anyone of German descent. In > fact, I probably do have German ancestry somewhere. I'm just simply looking > for a family with a Welsh surname in an area of Frederick Co. Md. > > Annie > > >

Anyone recognize this group of people? John Braden, Sr., having grown up to manhood, became the owner of a farm near Youngstown, Ohio, and resided on the same until the breaking out of the war of 1812 with Great Britain, when he joined the army and served therein until the close of the war. After the war John Braden, Sr., was married to Katherine McIntyre, daughter of William McIntyre, who was a native of Scotland, and in early times had migrated to this country, settling at Hagerstown, Md. John Braden and his wife Katherine, after their marriage, removed from near Youngstown Ohio, to Chippewa township, Beaver county, where they lived for over fifty years, having born to them a large family, amongst whom was John D. Braden, the only one of the family who resides in Washington county. Would love to correspond with anyone who knows about this family. Many Thanks, Janet Currie

--WebTV-Mail-12926-181 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit --WebTV-Mail-12926-181 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2203.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.133) by storefull-2216.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by smtpin-2203.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 876E7FE1E; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 00:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g6U7hm7v001881; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:43:48 -0600 Resent-Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 01:43:48 -0600 X-Original-Sender: pat21838@webtv.net Tue Jul 30 01:43:48 2002 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAmVGWW+96YTSU/6IyAwf1yISEJ1kCFHvOBuSC948lh/WS1zrLVPtlSf8T From: pat21838@webtv.net (Pat Dinterman) Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 03:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Old-To: MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5935-3D4643C3-1145@storefull-2211.public.lawson.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [MDFred] hiltner Resent-Message-ID: <W-9m4B.A.-c.0OkR9@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/643 X-Loop: MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: MD-FRED-GEN-L-request@rootsweb.com i'm looking for my grandfather howard stanley hiltner and my grandmother alberta elizabeth (baxter) hiltner. howard was b:25 aug 1889 and d:15 oct 1921, alberta was b:24 apr 1889 and d:7 jan 1920. my dad has no imformation on them because he was only just about 1 when he's mother died; andjust about 2 when he's father was killed by a train. they had gotten married in hagerstown, md on 18 may 1911.; but lived in frederick,md after they married.,. his 2 sister's and my dad was raised by his grandparents. if any one has any imformation on either, or both please e-mail me. thanks. pat --WebTV-Mail-12926-181--

i'm looking for my grandfather howard stanley hiltner and my grandmother alberta elizabeth (baxter) hiltner. howard was b:25 aug 1889 and d:15 oct 1921, alberta was b:24 apr 1889 and d:7 jan 1920. my dad has no imformation on them because he was only just about 1 when he's mother died; andjust about 2 when he's father was killed by a train. they had gotten married in hagerstown, md on 18 may 1911.; but lived in frederick,md after they married.,. his 2 sister's and my dad was raised by his grandparents. if any one has any imformation on either, or both please e-mail me. thanks. pat

I am looking for information on a Conrod Hoffman who is lited in the 1800 Census of Frederick County, MD. Any information will be helpful1 Cindy Hoffman

June: I have searched for my husband's ancestor seen on a daughter's death certificate as Evers Cross. He was married to Catherine__? who was born on the Ocean about 1791 and died after 1870. They were married between 1815-1825 probably. I have not found this man under the name Evers. I wonder if his name could have been Evan? Their daughter used several names such as Emmaline, Emma, Amy and finally Anna on the death cert. She and her mother lived in Washington County during the years I studied them. Amy Cross married Henry Huntsberry and they are buried in Beaver Creek, Washington Co., MD. If anyone knows of this Evers/Evan Cross, I would love to know more about him. Joanne Huntsberry Martinsburg, WV ----- Original Message ----- From: June M Kline Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 8:37 PM To: MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MDFred] Germans If you are looking for a Welsh name in the MD area consider CROSS. My Evan Cross was born in Wales in 1793. June On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:36:14 EDT Cardi2@aol.com writes: > Hi: > > I sent an email earlier today re the Welsh in Frederick County. I > just want > to say that I have nothing against Germans or anyone of German > descent. In > fact, I probably do have German ancestry somewhere. I'm just simply > looking > for a family with a Welsh surname in an area of Frederick Co. Md. > > Annie > > jmain30@juno.com

If you are looking for a Welsh name in the MD area consider CROSS. My Evan Cross was born in Wales in 1793. June On Sat, 27 Jul 2002 23:36:14 EDT Cardi2@aol.com writes: > Hi: > > I sent an email earlier today re the Welsh in Frederick County. I > just want > to say that I have nothing against Germans or anyone of German > descent. In > fact, I probably do have German ancestry somewhere. I'm just simply > looking > for a family with a Welsh surname in an area of Frederick Co. Md. > > Annie > > jmain30@juno.com

Annie; We are all in a constant search for our roots. Our Nationalities are often many and intertwined. The purpose of any list is to try to obtain information on our ancestors, so if your ancestor (regardless of national origin) came from the Fredererick Co., or surrounding area, you certainly should feel free to post your query so let's have a name and some dates. Who knows, someone may have the information you are seeking. Walt Peterman

For a more comprehensive understanding of the Migration to Kentucky, perhaps one should read "The Frontiersmen" by Allan W. Eckert - which is a chronology that features Simon Kenton. But........ A quick snapshot of one family's migration is illustrated below: A Jarboe writes of his trip to Kentucky A letter from Joseph Jarboe (1752-1834) addressed to his brother Raphael of Frederick Co., Maryland. An Excerpt form "History of Carollton Manor" by William Jarboe Grove A grandson of the William mentioned in the letter Nelson County KY 2-4-1813 Dear Brother, I gladly embrace this opportunity of writing you these few lines hoping they will find you and family in good health. I shall wish to acquaint you of my Journey to Kentucky. We arrived at Brownsville or Red Stone Old Fort [Pennsylvania], the 15th day after commencement of our journey. It was there agreed by Mr. Honel and myself to take water, which after 5 days we agreed with two gentlemen who was bound down the Ohio to Limestone. We unloaded our wagons, sent them on by land and the families goes on board the boat, except Mr. John Philpot, my sons John and William, Mr. Honel's son who went with the wagon but I think I must not forget to inform you that my horses ran down Brownsville hill, ran into the stone bank, my wife and several of the children in the wagon. John who was driving, fell off the saddle horse by the side of an old tree, the wag ran over him the tree prevented the wagon from mashing him to pieces. He was much hurt for awhile. This was the first accident that happened. We start in our boat rubbing on every ripple and the second day she go quite fast on a rock. My poor wife and Ann Philpot, Negro Margaret and six children remaining in her in a freezing condition. All the large ones we set on horse to travel on foot to Wheeling and to get to Limestone as they could. You must understand this is the Monongahela about 35 miles above Pittsburgh. I then hired a small boat to take my company to Fort Pitt. You must understand we are divided into three companies. We arrived at Pittsburgh the second morning after leaving the boat and then continued 10 days before I could get a passage, and when I got a passage it was in a reed-bottom boat, deeply laden with merchandise. No fire except some coals in a kittle. I expected we should all freeze together, to inform you of every disagreeable circumstance going down this river would be too tedious. We arrived at Limestone in 2 weeks after leaving Pittsburgh on Monday morning about 3 hours before the appearance of day. I goes up into the town inquiring of every person I saw respecting my poor, scattered family. I goes into a Mr. Lee's tavern speaking as I went in at the door, my poor distressed children cried aloud "That's my father!" I began to inquire of them how they got to that place and informed me they got into an open boat some part of the way the river in freezing situation as my party had been. Immediately beheld my son William in bed, his collarbone and shoulder bone broken, his leg dreadfully wounded, by Mr. Philpot's wagon upsetting with 12 barrels of flour going down the river bank, the wagon went over three times before stopping. A doctor & surgeon of that town was attending him. Mr. Lee informed me that my family had been at house 13 days and that he could not with propriety render me a bill of the expense in my unfortunate situation. Just before I arrived here my son Harry with six of my Negroes set off down to Bardstown [KY] 104 miles below Limestone,. The remainder of my family left Limestone Tuesday evening with our wagons, excepting my poor child which I am obliged to leave with Mr. Lee and the doctor. We arrived at Samuel Gatton's the 23rd day of December. In a few days after I received a letter from Mr. Lee informing me that my poor child William was attacked with a violent pleurisy and extremely dangerous. I thought I would go up to Limestone, you may guess my feelings, but my journey was prevented. My wife was taken also with a violent pleurisy, both priest and doctor called to her. Both agreed there was little or no hope. Thanks be to God she is now likely to recover. One night as I was almost distracted with grief, I heard it spoke that Billy was come. I started up and saw him before my eyes with young Cornelius McGinness who had take his wagon and carried him to his father's house and there was nursed till this young man brought him down to me. I do and ever shall respect the name MaGinness. He would have not one cent from me. You may guess the expensed of my journey. I hope you have sold Jack before the year expired and that you are safe from the two gentlemen respecting the hire, suppose you are. Then I have rec'd of your money $368.00. What little may be coming to me I hope you will send by Mr. Medcalf who bring you this letter. I cannot expect one cent from Montgomery County until the expiration of 9 months. Ask my son Joseph who waits to settle my business there. I shall not say anything respecting Kentucky in this letter. I expect the land you requested me to inquire of is not to be found. And I surely believe there is no such land. I thought I new the situation of Kentucky and I am satisfied my idea was tolerably correct. If I was to inform you what I thought of Kentucky in this letter you might say I had not been in the country long enough to judge, therefore I will send my opinion in my next letter, but be sure I have paid for my arrival to Kentucky. Be pleased to hand this letter Mr. James Stevens after you read it. Dear Brother, you will treat the gentleman who hand you this the same as you would me, he bing a respectable character and useful member of Nelson County [KY]. I am with sincere affection your loving brother till death. Joseph Jarboe Note: The McGinness mentioned is possibly that was related to Stephen Jarboe's wife Elizabeth 'Betsy' Cleland. Randy Dunavan Longview, Texas http://www.jarboe.org/ http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/d/u/n/James-R-Dunavan/index.html? Welcome=988131687 a message dated 7/27/2002 10:40:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob There was one route that has not been mentioned; however, I do not know how many actually used it. That was along what is now US 60, The Midland Trail. That route was used in the Rev War in fighting the British out along the Ohio. And, it was used by some migrants after the war. They could cross the Blue Ridge just west of Charlottesville and follow the trail west from Lexington. The last 200 miles could have been by boat down the New River to the Ohio. The last 75 miles is called the Kanawha or something similar to that. [The New River starts in NC flows north into VA and NW and WNW to the Ohio.] I would imagine that 75 - 90 % of the migration from Northern VA and MD was through western Maryland to the Monogahelia River and on the Ohio. I would think that a lot of Central and Southern VA migrants took the Cumberland Gap route. I still do not understand why a shorter route was not found from Morgantown west to the Ohio - maybe 125 miles through the Mountains instead of the 400 mile route down the Monogahelia River and Ohio to that same point on the Ohio. Charley Patboblex@aol.com writes: > > Thanks to all for the responses on the route of migration to Ky. > Cumberland Gap seems so popular in people's imagination, but I feel that > surely most of the people from Maryland and northern Va. followed the Ohio > River route. > Does anyone know of examples of Md. and no. Va. people going by > the > Gap? >

Annie, Now you have me curious. I'll have to look for the Welsh letter. I'm just kidding. The genealogy game is a great homogenizer and the players are the most cooperative and helpful bunch of people you are likely to associate with. John

Hi Lorin. Glad I could help. I know there is a copy of the book (1988 edition) in the Daughters of the American Revolution Library, but books are for use in the library only. They will, however, make copies. Their web address is: www.dar.org and go to the library section for instructions. I'm sure that there are libraries in Frederick Co. that do inter library loan. Perhaps someone familiar with Frederick Co. libraries can provide that information. As for the Moravian Archives, you can go there; however, it is not a "hands on" facility. When I went, I knew exactly what volume and page I wanted. The old material is all in German and they DO NOT make copies. If you want something translated, they do have someone to do it-sometimes. The book mentions that one of my early ancestors had written a hymn and wanted to find out more. Since I knew exactly which page it was on and the translator was there, I got my wish. He was able to give me a quick literal translation. A songwriter grannie wasn't! I was the only person there and it was close to closing, so we had to hurry a bit, but I had so much fun with the translator. He was a darling little old gnome of a man with an off-beat sense of humor like mine, so we spent some of the time smarting off. The curator was also there, but he obviously was not as easily amused as the two of us were. My husband and I went in search of the Graceham Church. It was wonderful. The minister gave us a guided tour and explained Moravian customs, etc. He also let me make copies of the translated records that were done by Henry Young in 1942. Over the years people have added additional information as margin notes, some funny and some not. We then went a bit further down the road to the cemetery where we located and photographed tombstones-an interesting experience in and of itself. I'm sorry for going on, but genealogists are the only ones who can appreciate other genealogists ramblings. And Jan, if I've violated any rules, I'm sorry. Nancy Capps > [Original Message] > From: Lorin Snyder <vent414@hotmail.com> > To: <nlcapps@earthlink.net> > Date: 7/26/2002 1:05:01 PM > Subject: RE: [MDFred] SCHNEIDER/ CATOCTIN MTN. > > Hi Nancy, > > Thanks very much for the help. I've been informed that my Snyders are, in > fact, included in the Graceham book. Do you know of a library that has it > through which I might get it via interlibrary loan? > > Are patrons to the Moravian archives allowed to access the original records? > > Thanks again, > > Lorin > > > >From: "Nancy Capps" <nlcapps@earthlink.net> > >Reply-To: nlcapps@earthlink.net > >To: MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [MDFred] SCHNEIDER/ CATOCTIN MTN. > >Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 15:5:15 -0500 > > > > > >Hi Lorin, > > > >Welcome to the group. There were a couple of Moravian Churches in > >Frederick County and they kept wonderful records. If your people lived in > >the northern part of the county. they probably attended Graceham Moravian > >Church which is still going strong. In this case, you absolutely need > >"Moravian Families of Graceham Maryland........". It was translated from > >the original German records by Henry Young and is like going to a family > >reunion because of the detail. Since all my Frederick County ancestors > >went to Graceham, that's what I know about. The original German records > >are at the Moravian Archives in Bethlehem, PA. Good Luck! > > > >Nancy Capps > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx --- Nancy Capps --- nlcapps@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Annie, I'm not offended. I have both German and Welsh and a bunch of others in my ancestry. nancy > [Original Message] > From: <Cardi2@aol.com> > To: <MD-FRED-GEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 7/27/2002 6:36:14 PM > Subject: [MDFred] Germans > > Hi: > > I sent an email earlier today re the Welsh in Frederick County. I just want > to say that I have nothing against Germans or anyone of German descent. In > fact, I probably do have German ancestry somewhere. I'm just simply looking > for a family with a Welsh surname in an area of Frederick Co. Md. > > Annie > --- Nancy Capps --- nlcapps@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Hi: I sent an email earlier today re the Welsh in Frederick County. I just want to say that I have nothing against Germans or anyone of German descent. In fact, I probably do have German ancestry somewhere. I'm just simply looking for a family with a Welsh surname in an area of Frederick Co. Md. Annie

Hi: Is this group only for German ancestors who came to Frederick County, MD? Mine were Welsh from the Welsh area of Frederick County. If I'm not on the right list, I'll have to get off. Is there another list for the Welsh in Frederick County as that is all I'm interested in. Annie