Thank you so much. Those are the guys. I'm trying to understand what it means. When it says 4 Nov. 1848 that means the date that Martin made his declaration of intent? He had resided in the US for 5 years at the time he made his declaration? And 3 of those years he was a minor? Some of those numbers don't add up. My Martin was born in 1818 (according to his obituary and 1850 census records) so if he arrived in 1843 he would already have been 25 in 1843 and probably not a minor? The record also says that he had resided in Maryland for over a year. Does that mean that he may have lived in a different state for some of his time or is a year the minimum residence before you can make a claim. The witness Bridget Kennedy is an exciting find. I've speculated that a 70 year old Bridget Kennedy listed as one of the residents on his farm in 1860 was his Mother. The fact that there is a Bridget in his life in 1848 suggests that the Bridget in 1860 is not just a coincidence. There are two dates for Patrick Kane. Would the earlier date be his arrival and the later date his declaration of intent? Or is the earlier date his declaration of intent and the later date his swearing allegiance to the US and renouncing allegience to the Queen. The reference numbers at the MSA and MdHR are just photo copies of the information printed in the book? Is there any chance for more information in the original record (such as date of arrival, ship name, or county of origin). Sorry to follow up your wonderful kindness with so many questions :) But I've never been able to find either of these guys in passenger lists so I'm trying to pin down the dates of their arrival. jk At 02:04 PM 2/9/2007, you wrote: >Kennedy, Martin, Ireland. NATN. Arrived in US 3 yrs. Prior to age 21. Res. >US for 5 yrs., including 3 of minority. Res. MD over yr. Wits: Bridget >Kennedy and Andrew Hery. O&RA to Queen of UK. BC Ct. (Nat. Rcd. Of Minors) 3 >1845 - 1851 MSA c237-3 MdHR 18114-1 f. 183 4 Nov. 1848. > >Kane, Patrick. Ireland. NATN. Decl. intent in BC Ct. 14 Oct. 1843. Wits. >James McGibney and Richard McCancay. O&RA to Queen of UK. BA Ct. (Nat. Rcd.) >4 1846-1851 MSA C291-2 MdHR 18109 f. 68 13 Oct. 1846. > >BC = Baltimore City >kCt = Cour >Nat. Rcd = Nationalization Record >O&RA = takes oath and renounces allegiance > >Hope this helps, > >Nancy > >-----Original Message----- >From: md-baltimorecity-bounces@rootsweb.com >[mailto:md-baltimorecity-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John M Kennedy >Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:27 AM >To: md-baltimorecity@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] Naturalization Records > >I came up with a reference to naturalization records for one of my Irish >immigrant ancestors. The reference indicates that the record for Martin >Kennedy is in: Maryland Naturalization Abstracts, Volume 1: Baltimore >County and Baltimore City, 1784-1851. Westminister, MD: Willow Bend Books, >2000 (source bibliography, Oszakiewski, Robert Andrew). Martin Kennedy's >record is on page 208 and Patrick Kane's record is on 202. Does anyone >have access to this book? Or have an idea on how I can get get a >copy? Thanks. > >John Kennedy > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, Kennedy, Martin, Ireland: I don't think "Res. MD over yr" means that he had lived somewhere else necessarily because I have an abstract that reads identically. I think it is satisfying a condition of the court that he reside in MD at least 1 yr and he has witnesses to attest that he meets the conditions. It looks like he took the oat of allegiance, renouncing the Queen of UK on 4 Nov 1848 in a Baltimore County Court. "4 846-1851 MSA C291-2 MdHR 18109 f. 68" is a reference to where the Md Historical original record "was" or "is" filed at the Md Archives. However mine could not be found and I was told that the records of that year had "probably been destroyed." Apparently mine was from a federal gov't court and the federal govt didn't want the records and gave thems to Md but Md didn't want to store fedrecords or didn't have room etc. So good luck with getting your ancestor's naturalization records. Kane, Patrick. Ireland: Yes, his Declaration of intent occurred in a Baltimore City Court on 14 Oct. 1843. Because Baltimore City had not yet become an independent city the record would originally have been kept with Baltimore County records. Contacting the MD Archives might give you the answer. He took the oath & renounced allegiance to the Queen of UK on 13 Oct. 1846 in Baltimore County. Again "4 1846-1851 MSA C291-2 MdHR 18109 f. 68" refers to where the record is filled at Md State Archives. A Baltimore County Court might indicate he no longer lived in Baltimore City but then Baltimore City was still part of Baltimore County so he may not have moved. I believe I have read that the declaration of intent gave more information than the actual naturalization itself. At the National Archives and Records Administration..... http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/naturalization/..... homepage they say: Naturalization is the process by which an alien becomes an American citizen. These records can provide a researcher with information such as a person's birth date and location, occupation, immigration year, marital status and spouse information, witnesses' names and addresses, and more. Good luck with finding the record. I was very disappointed when i didn't get the one I was searching for and I hope you are more successful. Either way you have gained learning the fact that your ancestor did actually take the steps necessary to become a citizen. Neat! . Jean Johnson On 2/9/07, John M Kennedy <JKennedy@uic.edu> wrote: > Thank you so much. Those are the guys. I'm trying to understand what it > means. When it says 4 Nov. 1848 that means the date that Martin made his > declaration of intent? He had resided in the US for 5 years at the time he > made his declaration? And 3 of those years he was a minor? Some of those > numbers don't add up. My Martin was born in 1818 (according to his > obituary and 1850 census records) so if he arrived in 1843 he would already > have been 25 in 1843 and probably not a minor? The record also says that > he had resided in Maryland for over a year. Does that mean that he may > have lived in a different state for some of his time or is a year the > minimum residence before you can make a claim. The witness Bridget Kennedy > is an exciting find. I've speculated that a 70 year old Bridget Kennedy > listed as one of the residents on his farm in 1860 was his Mother. The > fact that there is a Bridget in his life in 1848 suggests that the Bridget > in 1860 is not just a coincidence. > > There are two dates for Patrick Kane. Would the earlier date be his > arrival and the later date his declaration of intent? Or is the earlier > date his declaration of intent and the later date his swearing allegiance > to the US and renouncing allegience to the Queen. > > The reference numbers at the MSA and MdHR are just photo copies of the > information printed in the book? Is there any chance for more information > in the original record (such as date of arrival, ship name, or county of > origin). > > Sorry to follow up your wonderful kindness with so many questions :) But > I've never been able to find either of these guys in passenger lists so I'm > trying to pin down the dates of their arrival. > > jk > > At 02:04 PM 2/9/2007, you wrote: > >Kennedy, Martin, Ireland. NATN. Arrived in US 3 yrs. Prior to age 21. Res. > >US for 5 yrs., including 3 of minority. Res. MD over yr. Wits: Bridget > >Kennedy and Andrew Hery. O&RA to Queen of UK. BC Ct. (Nat. Rcd. Of Minors) 3 > >1845 - 1851 MSA c237-3 MdHR 18114-1 f. 183 4 Nov. 1848. > > > >Kane, Patrick. Ireland. NATN. Decl. intent in BC Ct. 14 Oct. 1843. Wits. > >James McGibney and Richard McCancay. O&RA to Queen of UK. BA Ct. (Nat. Rcd.) > >4 1846-1851 MSA C291-2 MdHR 18109 f. 68 13 Oct. 1846. > > > >BC = Baltimore City > >kCt = Cour > >Nat. Rcd = Nationalization Record > >O&RA = takes oath and renounces allegiance > > > >Hope this helps, > > > >Nancy > >

Jean: You are so right, a little information is better than no information at all that's for sure. Patrick and eventually Martin moved out of the city and to the county around what is now Cockeysville, so it makes sense that Patrick took the oath in the county. I will try to follow up and see what (if anything) is actually held at the archibes. Problem for me is that I live in Chicago, so I'll need to try and get someone there to look into it for me. Hopefully, I can have someone look into without too much expense. Do you know what was meant by "minor" in the record for martin? jk On Fri, February 9, 2007 7:18 pm, Jean Johnson wrote: > John, > Kennedy, Martin, Ireland: I don't think "Res. MD over yr" means that > he had lived somewhere else necessarily because I have an abstract > that reads identically. I think it is satisfying a condition of the > court that he reside in MD at least 1 yr and he has witnesses to > attest that he meets the conditions. It looks like he took the oat of > allegiance, renouncing the Queen of UK on 4 Nov 1848 in a Baltimore > County Court. "4 846-1851 MSA C291-2 MdHR 18109 f. 68" is a reference > to where the Md Historical original record "was" or "is" filed at the > Md Archives. However mine could not be found and I was told that the > records of that year had "probably been destroyed." Apparently mine > was from a federal gov't court and the federal govt didn't want the > records and gave thems to Md but Md didn't want to store fedrecords or > didn't have room etc. So good luck with getting your ancestor's > naturalization records. > > Kane, Patrick. Ireland: Yes, his Declaration of intent occurred in a > Baltimore City Court on 14 Oct. 1843. Because Baltimore City had not > yet become an independent city the record would originally have been > kept with Baltimore County records. Contacting the MD Archives might > give you the answer. > > He took the oath & renounced allegiance to the Queen of UK on 13 Oct. > 1846 in Baltimore County. Again "4 1846-1851 MSA C291-2 MdHR 18109 f. > 68" refers to where the record is filled at Md State Archives. A > Baltimore County Court might indicate he no longer lived in Baltimore > City but then Baltimore City was still part of Baltimore County so he > may not have moved. > > I believe I have read that the declaration of intent gave more > information than the actual naturalization itself. > > At the National Archives and Records Administration..... > http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/naturalization/..... homepage they > say: > > Naturalization is the process by which an alien becomes an American > citizen. These records can provide a researcher with information such > as a person's birth date and location, occupation, immigration year, > marital status and spouse information, witnesses' names and addresses, > and more. > > Good luck with finding the record. I was very disappointed when i > didn't get the one I was searching for and I hope you are more > successful. Either way you have gained learning the fact that your > ancestor did actually take the steps necessary to become a citizen. > Neat! > . > Jean Johnson > > > On 2/9/07, John M Kennedy <JKennedy@uic.edu> wrote: >> Thank you so much. Those are the guys. I'm trying to understand what >> it >> means. When it says 4 Nov. 1848 that means the date that Martin made >> his >> declaration of intent? He had resided in the US for 5 years at the time >> he >> made his declaration? And 3 of those years he was a minor? Some of >> those >> numbers don't add up. My Martin was born in 1818 (according to his >> obituary and 1850 census records) so if he arrived in 1843 he would >> already >> have been 25 in 1843 and probably not a minor? The record also says >> that >> he had resided in Maryland for over a year. Does that mean that he may >> have lived in a different state for some of his time or is a year the >> minimum residence before you can make a claim. The witness Bridget >> Kennedy >> is an exciting find. I've speculated that a 70 year old Bridget Kennedy >> listed as one of the residents on his farm in 1860 was his Mother. The >> fact that there is a Bridget in his life in 1848 suggests that the >> Bridget >> in 1860 is not just a coincidence. >> >> There are two dates for Patrick Kane. Would the earlier date be his >> arrival and the later date his declaration of intent? Or is the earlier >> date his declaration of intent and the later date his swearing >> allegiance >> to the US and renouncing allegience to the Queen. >> >> The reference numbers at the MSA and MdHR are just photo copies of the >> information printed in the book? Is there any chance for more >> information >> in the original record (such as date of arrival, ship name, or county of >> origin). >> >> Sorry to follow up your wonderful kindness with so many questions :) >> But >> I've never been able to find either of these guys in passenger lists so >> I'm >> trying to pin down the dates of their arrival. >> >> jk >> >> At 02:04 PM 2/9/2007, you wrote: >> >Kennedy, Martin, Ireland. NATN. Arrived in US 3 yrs. Prior to age 21. >> Res. >> >US for 5 yrs., including 3 of minority. Res. MD over yr. Wits: Bridget >> >Kennedy and Andrew Hery. O&RA to Queen of UK. BC Ct. (Nat. Rcd. Of >> Minors) 3 >> >1845 - 1851 MSA c237-3 MdHR 18114-1 f. 183 4 Nov. 1848. >> > >> >Kane, Patrick. Ireland. NATN. Decl. intent in BC Ct. 14 Oct. 1843. >> Wits. >> >James McGibney and Richard McCancay. O&RA to Queen of UK. BA Ct. (Nat. >> Rcd.) >> >4 1846-1851 MSA C291-2 MdHR 18109 f. 68 13 Oct. 1846. >> > >> >BC = Baltimore City >> >kCt = Cour >> >Nat. Rcd = Nationalization Record >> >O&RA = takes oath and renounces allegiance >> > >> >Hope this helps, >> > >> >Nancy >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >