James ANDERSON, my GGGG Grandfather, was born about 1748. His place of birth is unknown - perhaps Scotland but Maryland is also a possibility. He was married to Mary (or Marie / Maria) BRIMMER. They had 4 children : 1.. Mary born 19 Nov 1776 in Baltimore 2.. Eunice born 14 Mar 1782 in New York 3.. John Secombe born 06 Feb 1790 in Chester, Nova Scotia 4.. Ann (Anna / Isabella) Brimmer born 22 Sep 1796 in Halifax, Nova Scotia Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Patrick Hagan White Rock, BC

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Taylor, Black Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACI/4784.2.1 Message Board Post: John, thank you for the response. No, I somehow missed John Otto's initial response to my question and am glad you chimed in as well. Thanks for putting me on the right track. Funny, after spending so much time on those streets growing up, along with the years of genealogy I've done that covers that area, this is the first time I have come across the alternative name to Linwood Ave.. Thanks again and have a wonderful holiday. -Donna

Mary (Maria) Sabina Havercamp (Haverkamp) Birth: July, 1846 died April 13, 1899 Lonaconing Maryland Alleghany County Burial St. mary;s RC Church Cemetery Pat Sullivan

Hang in there, Gary--your guy will turn up somewhere--he can't have gone too far, right?? My motto concerning the dearly departed is that they can't run, but they can hide. I figure once they get buried somewhere, they stay there (usually . . .) Diana -----Original Message----- From: mona_sydd_yma@yahoo.com To: md-baltimorecity@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 11:57 PM Subject: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] Gary--Re: Schwartz cemetery and church/inconsiderste ancestors ----- Original Message ---- From: "g.ruppert@att.net" <g.ruppert@att.net> To: md-baltimorecity@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:56:39 PM Subject: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] Schwartz cemetery and church I've often cynically thought he could have hung on for at least another week ... Mona says: Ha, ha! Me, too! My oldest immigrant ancestor had the bad grace to die the same week Mt. Carmel opened! So, he was not buried there, where later ancestors are all nice and listed in the books (even if most of their graves have not been located--mainly due to me not owning a backhoe). It took a long time (years) and several visits to several city cemteries (and a lot of bluffing--"I know my grandfather said he was here!") before I finally located him just this past March at Baltimore Cemetery--he was indexed under his widow's name! The good news is that there were other relatives in the plot. The bad news is there were also some "strangers" in the plot. So I don't know if these strangers are really relatives I just haven't placed in our tree, or if the plot was subdivided and sold to real strangers. It seems I spend an inordinate amount of time looking for info on people who turn out to be not related--and for some perverse reason I always find more about them than I do my own people! Hang in there, Gary--your guy will turn up somewhere--he can't have gone too far, right?? Cheers, Mona ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Hi Tim: You raise two very interesting points, one of which has plaqued my research for years. The microfilmed burial records for First German United Evangelical Church begin as you pointed out in June 1864. One of my ancestors, Franz Braun was buried from First German on 25 May 1864. I've been seeking his home town in Germany for many years. Considering the pattern of other entries in the church registers, that village should be in his burial record. I've often cynically thought he could have hung on for at least another week ... I do not know if those earlier burial records were simply missed when the microfilming was done, or they no longer exist. I assume, since the baptismal and marriage records are complete, at one time there had to be an earlier burial register as well. I can tell you that some years before the microfilming of this collection, I visited the church and was given unlimited access to the original records. I suppose I could have missed it, but my notes don't have any burial entries before June 1864. For years, I've been meaning to go back to the church and try to sort this out, but I've never done so. As far as the cemetery, I know much less about this. It still exists and is well cared for. There is a caretakers cottage on the grounds but I've never spoken with anyone there. The cemetery records were not at the church when I visited it. Jane Wilson's Quiet Baltimoreans mentions a Bosse Cemetery associated with First German United Evangelical Church from 1850 to 1877 that was located in Highlandtown on East Avenue and Dillon Streets but she doesn't reference this at all. I've never heard of it. Dillon Street in Highlandtown is where Zion German United Evangelical Church, a filial congregation of First German is located. Maybe it was the same ground or at least nearby. Wilson also states that those buried in Bosse were re-interred into the new cemetery on O'Donnel. Last year when I was reading through Der Deutsche Correspondent covering the 1870s and 1880s, I remember reading an article that detailed the dedication service of the First German United Cemetery. I recall that there were several choirs from different German churches that sang and there were several speeches. I do not recall whether it mentioned a previously existing cemetery and unfortunately, I can't find a copy of the article in my files just now. I suspect that we could resolve the question of the burial register by visiting the church. Maybe a visit to the cemetery to talk to the caretaker might help you with the other issue. Gary 17 November 2006 Baltimore http://home.att.net/~g.ruppert Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 11:44:19 -0500 From: "Endres, Timothy J." <Tim.Endres@jhuapl.edu> Subject: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] Schwartz cemetery and church records To: <MD-BALTIMORECITY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <79C724060977164B9F92367BE65372C705F97326@aplesliberty.dom1.jhuapl.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I noticed that the microfilimed church death records for the First German United Evangelical Church begin in June 1864. The marriages records go back to 1850. Looking at the table of contents for the Md Archives microfilm of the records (M1549-2), it looks as if pages 88-127 of the church are not on the microfilm. Perhaps these contain the death records from 1850 through May 1864. Anyone know if those pages are available anywhere else? Also, from Gary Ruppert's post about the associated cemetery, "it's still located where it has always been on O'Donnell Street". That seems reasonable to me from what I've seen and from the notes on the history of the First German United Evangelical Church, which are on the microfilm preceding the church's records. However, the The Very Quiet Baltimoreans book states the present cemetery was established in 1877, and had a precursor cemetery at East and Dillon streets from 1850-1877, unless I am misunderstanding things. I am interested in these matters because an ancestor, Frederick Endres, may have died and been buried from this church around May 1864, and the facts of his birth, life, death and burial have been maddeningly elusive. Facts of his birth and some of his life we have finally scraped together, but death and burial continue to confound us. Tim Endres

----- Original Message ---- From: "g.ruppert@att.net" <g.ruppert@att.net> To: md-baltimorecity@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 6:56:39 PM Subject: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] Schwartz cemetery and church I've often cynically thought he could have hung on for at least another week ... Mona says: Ha, ha! Me, too! My oldest immigrant ancestor had the bad grace to die the same week Mt. Carmel opened! So, he was not buried there, where later ancestors are all nice and listed in the books (even if most of their graves have not been located--mainly due to me not owning a backhoe). It took a long time (years) and several visits to several city cemteries (and a lot of bluffing--"I know my grandfather said he was here!") before I finally located him just this past March at Baltimore Cemetery--he was indexed under his widow's name! The good news is that there were other relatives in the plot. The bad news is there were also some "strangers" in the plot. So I don't know if these strangers are really relatives I just haven't placed in our tree, or if the plot was subdivided and sold to real strangers. It seems I spend an inordinate amount of time looking for info on people who turn out to be not related--and for some perverse reason I always find more about them than I do my own people! Hang in there, Gary--your guy will turn up somewhere--he can't have gone too far, right?? Cheers, Mona

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACI/4786.3 Message Board Post: Hello Sue; Do you have access to a Family HIstory Center? If so you can have them order a microfilm of the information you need. The Loudon Park Cemetery Internment Card File is available on FHL US/CAN Films 142986 through 1430ll. To determine which film covers your family member go to www.familysearch.com; click the Family History Library Catalog tab; search the "place" records for "Maryland, Baltimore (Independent City)-Cemeteries" and look for the Loudon Park records. The various films cover individuals in alphabetical order. Hope this helps.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Ricketts, Gafford Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACI/4014.1 Message Board Post: Do you have any more information on Mary R. Ricketts? Was she born in 1844? She may be the daughter of Asa Ricketts and Ann Maria Gafford.

thanks elizabeth, it is a brick wall. maria (Mary Clupp) haverkamp was my ggrandmother married to anthony clupp can't find a thing on her before marrying my ggrandfather. i appreciate your looking for me Pat On 11/16/06, Elizabeth W. <ElizabethCa@dc.rr.com> wrote: > > Sorry Pat, I looked threw all the years for Haverkamp & Clupp and even the > Baltimore SunAlmanac from the years 1876-1915 and found neither of the > surnames listed. > > Elizabeth > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Sullivan" <sully723@gmail.com> > To: <md-baltimorecity@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:41 PM > Subject: Re: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] look ups > > > >i am searching for the names Haverkamp and Clupp i have no dates. > > thanks > > i understand if you can't > > Pat Sullivan > > > > > > On 11/15/06, Elizabeth W. <ElizabethCa@dc.rr.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hello list, > >> > >> I can do look ups of persons buried at Mt. Carmel Cemetery. Records > from, > >> 1883-1893, 1893-1905, and 1905-1936. > >> > >> Elizabeth > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: > 11/14/2006 > > 3:58 PM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Elizabeth, I found funeral records for all the persons you are researching. My great-grandparents (Georg Nützel and Dorothea Kautsch) were married in this church in 1882. Their first son, John Nuetzel, my grandfather, was baptized there. I would be pleased to send you copies of these pages (at no charge to you), but would require your mailing address. The church records contain a good amount of info. George Meredith Nuetzel Parkville (Baynesville), MD "Elizabeth W." wrote: > George, I am researching: > Henry Kleinschmidt DOD June 15 1910 > Bertha Kleinschmidt DOD October 8, 1906 > Louis Kleinschmidt DOD July 13, 1906 > > Thanks!! > Elizabeth > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Nuetzel" <joanngeo@bcpl.net> > To: <md-baltimorecity@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:05 AM > Subject: Re: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] cemetery records > > > Elizabeth, > > > > What is the name/date of death for the individual you are researching? > > > > George > > > > > > "Elizabeth W." wrote: > > > >> Hi List! > >> > >> I am trying to locate cemetery records at Swartz Cemetery. I have written > >> but have never heard back from them. > >> Has anyone else had any success on obtaining records? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Elizabeth > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/533 - Release Date: 11/13/2006 > > 8:56 PM > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I noticed that the microfilimed church death records for the First German United Evangelical Church begin in June 1864. The marriages records go back to 1850. Looking at the table of contents for the Md Archives microfilm of the records (M1549-2), it looks as if pages 88-127 of the church are not on the microfilm. Perhaps these contain the death records from 1850 through May 1864. Anyone know if those pages are available anywhere else? Also, from Gary Ruppert's post about the associated cemetery, "it's still located where it has always been on O'Donnell Street". That seems reasonable to me from what I've seen and from the notes on the history of the First German United Evangelical Church, which are on the microfilm preceding the church's records. However, the The Very Quiet Baltimoreans book states the present cemetery was established in 1877, and had a precursor cemetery at East and Dillon streets from 1850-1877, unless I am misunderstanding things. I am interested in these matters because an ancestor, Frederick Endres, may have died and been buried from this church around May 1864, and the facts of his birth, life, death and burial have been maddeningly elusive. Facts of his birth and some of his life we have finally scraped together, but death and burial continue to confound us. Tim Endres

Bunny, Have you used Steve Morse's one=step website to find missing ship manifests and to redo the name search? It can be found on http://www.stevemorse.org Diane Jacobs Somerset, NJ PS: There is also a book titled Morton Allen Directory of Passenger Ship (not sure of correct title, but any large public and/ or good university should have it. It lists all the ships by years as to their date of arrival in NY. -----Original Message----- From: md-baltimorecity-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:md-baltimorecity-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of bunnyryc@hotmail.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:35 PM To: MD-BaltimoreCity-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] Baltimore Ship Lists This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACI/4791 Message Board Post: A relative listed the KIEL as the ship he emigrated on from Bremen, Germany. On his Declaration of Intention the date of arrival was March 27, 1899. I have not been able to find anything on this ship. Maybe his memory wasn't real good on the name. Where would I find a list of ship arrivals to Baltimore? I have looked at microfilm covering 1899 but never saw a ship by that name. Also I have checked on Ancestry but no luck.Thank you for any help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 11/16/2006 7:21:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, GregoryRBurton@aol.com writes: There are three WW II draft Cards for Haverkamp John Joseph b 26 Jun 1874 William Lawrence b 18 Sep 1876 George,Jr b 9 May 1891 This is for WW I draft cards not WW II,

There are three WW II draft Cards for Haverkamp John Joseph b 26 Jun 1874 William Lawrence b 18 Sep 1876 George,Jr b 9 May 1891

Try this: Ship Kiel came into New York http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=&gst=&rank=1&db=nypl%2c&gsfn=&gsln=&=&rb__81004201-date=&re__81004201-date=&rb__83004201-date=&re__83004201-date=&_82004210=&_82004200=&_82004280=&_F0002841=kiel&gskw=+kiel&sbo=0&prox=1&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-c&hc=50 ----- Original Message ----- From: <bunnyryc@hotmail.com> To: <MD-BaltimoreCity-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] Baltimore Ship Lists > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACI/4791 > > Message Board Post: > > A relative listed the KIEL as the ship he emigrated on from Bremen, > Germany. On his Declaration of Intention the date of arrival was March 27, > 1899. I have not been able to find anything on this ship. Maybe his memory > wasn't real good on the name. Where would I find a list of ship arrivals > to Baltimore? I have looked at microfilm covering 1899 but never saw a > ship by that name. Also I have checked on Ancestry but no luck.Thank you > for any help. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AFB.2ACI/4791.1 Message Board Post: Bunny, Who was the "relative?" Are you sure he arrived in Baltimore. Someone may be able to help you if you provide his name and approximate age, and maybe who he likely travelled with. The NARA Baltimore Passenger list microfilms and Ancestry both list ship arrivals to Baltimore, but neither is 100% complete. I know they are missing many ships from the 1850's and earlier. Since you have the date of arrival, I would check the Baltimore Sun a day or two later. Ship arrivals, especially large ships, were generally reported in the Sun and other newspapers a day or so after arrival. They are available at the main Pratt library. John

Sorry Pat, I looked threw all the years for Haverkamp & Clupp and even the Baltimore SunAlmanac from the years 1876-1915 and found neither of the surnames listed. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Sullivan" <sully723@gmail.com> To: <md-baltimorecity@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [MD-BALTIMORECITY] look ups >i am searching for the names Haverkamp and Clupp i have no dates. > thanks > i understand if you can't > Pat Sullivan > > > On 11/15/06, Elizabeth W. <ElizabethCa@dc.rr.com> wrote: >> >> Hello list, >> >> I can do look ups of persons buried at Mt. Carmel Cemetery. Records from, >> 1883-1893, 1893-1905, and 1905-1936. >> >> Elizabeth >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MD-BALTIMORECITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.14.5/534 - Release Date: 11/14/2006 > 3:58 PM > >