Thanks K & P Your information cleared up some things about Dugal McQueen. I think you may be right but I have no other history about that time. I would like to learn more about the subject, maybe get a library book or two. I never knew anything about the McQueens really except my grandfather born in Liverpool Owen 1876 with two brothers. The family migrated from WIG in 1850s in the 186a census of Liverpool. The earliest one my gggrandfather Owen McQueen said born in Ireland or Kirkinner so I cant go back any further as I would like. Even ifhe was born NI I still think they were Scots as many Scots were brought into NI or emigrated themselves in earlier times with or without the Mc as some people think the Mc itself makes them Scots, not so, the British prohibited the use of the Mc or encouraged it anyway and many brought it back after a time. ----- Original Message ----- From: K & P Clark To: McQUEEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [McQUEEN] The family history Hi All, I agree with Dianne and Andi that it is all to easy to take a piece of information and if it fits in with our various researches then continue to perpetuate it as a truth and in no time it has been assumed by others to be concrete evidence!!! There have been a couple of instances recently where data supplied has not, in my humble opinion, been strictly accurate. The first from Henry on the history of the Stuarts (nice to hear from you again Henry) and secondly from jcgrezlik (sorry I don't know your name), both relating to that very elusive Dugal McQueen. I have very little in depth knowledge of American History so I will not presume to make any comment on Dugal after his arrival in Maryland aboard the "Friendship", along with four other McQueen prisoners, in 1716. There are, however, many authoritative books on the Stuarts and the events leading up to the Jacobite uprisings, which began as early as 1688 with the Glorious Revolution and even prior to that with Montrose and the Covenantors in the "Bishop's Wars' of the 1640's. In the main these wars were fought not by Highlander against Lowlander but by religious groups - The Roman Catholics (some even brought over from Ireland) against the Presbyterians and The Covenant (or vice versa!). Many battles were fought in the name of religion with the Covenant motto being "Jesus and no quarter". This blood thirstiness put off many of their supporters and after the Battle of Kilsyth for example the Kirk Records state 200 widows were left in the town and many wounded. This period of rebellion ended with Montrose's defeat at Philiphaugh in 1645 when to get their own back the Presbyterian Army threw soldiers and female camp followers, wives and children off the bridge and then shot them as they tried to get out further down stream!!!!!. If you will indulge me I will attempt to give a thumb nail sketch of the events. As Henry said, the Stuart line in England began in 1603 with James V1 of Scotland who was son of the Catholic Mary Queen of Scots and therefore cousin to Queen Elizabeth 1 of England. After the death of his cousin, Elizabeth 1, he was proclaimed James 1 of England by virtue of the Treaty of Berwick that he had signed with his cousin Elizabeth in 1568. In Scotland he retained his title as James V1 of Scotland (as did his grandson James 11 & V11 who gave his name to the Jacobites). The Stuart Dynasty continued right through until Queen Anne's death in 1714 (apart from the brief "Commonwealth" of Oliver & Richard Cromwell 1649-1659). When she died without heir in 1714, in spite of having borne seventeen children, George 1 of the House of Hanover, took over the throne leading in part to the uprisings of 1715 & 1745. At various times during Queen Anne's reign she was also embroiled in plots to restore her father James 11 and V11. Now where do the McQueens come into all this? The McQueens (or son of Swein) were a vassal clan to the Clan Chattan and originated, as we all know, from the Isles of Skye and Rassay. They were later raised to the status of a minor Clan under John McQueen in 1609 when he signed the Clan Chattan Band in his own right as a Chief of all the McQueens and was granted land near Moy in the shire of Inverness. Apart from the odd Clan skirmish nothing relevant happened to the McQueens until early 1714 when James McQueen of Corryborough and his men joined Lord Mar's regiment which had mustered at Leuchars Castle in Fife under Mackintosh of Borlum's Army. They were mainly used to collect levies and taxes in Perth, Kinross and Fife and were notoriously regarded there as "wyld Hielandmen", even though some must have settled there as the McQueen name begins to appear in Kirk Records at that time. After that some went on to fight at Sheriffmuir (which was a Jacobite victory although they didn't know it!!) and the Second Battle of Preston. At Preston the Jacobite Army was defeated and the English said they could retain their arms and go home. However the perfidious English renigged on their promise and took those survivors captive imprisoning them in Preston Parish Church, where some of their names and other graffiti can still be seen carved into the stonework. So badly were they treated that the local people had to sneak food into the church to feed them before they were "tried" and transported to "The Colonies". (This seemed to be a popular way for the English to get rid of any insurgents, as many were also transported to "The Colonies" after the Covenanters invaded England and were defeated at the First Battle of Preston in 1648!!) In all about nine McQueens were transported in 1716. McQueen support for the 1745 was somewhat less enthusiastic even though the "Muster Roll of Prince Edward Charles's Army" shows Alexander Mcqueen in the Athol Brigade, Donald in Pitsligo's Light Horse, John in the Gordons, Angus with the MacLeods, William of Corryborough with the Mackintoshes and another Alexander with the McPhersons. I would venture to suggest that Dugal, along with the other McQueens transported, would have been of peasant stock and fighting because of allegiance to their Laird, James McQueen of Corryborough, otherwise they would have been sent back to London for summary execution as were other "Chiefs & Nobles". All in all I would like to believe that Dugal McQueen came from Pollocraig, but without further proof I doubt it. As for Dugal having brothers "Alexander and perhaps Hector", this again should be treated with suspicion as Alexander and Hector were two of the other prisoners onboard the "Friendship" with him. I doubt if the English would have shipped 'brothers' together in case they caused trouble and insurgency on the voyage!! I have further literature on this period. Regards...Keith in South Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <dlr11@comcast.net> To: <McQUEEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [McQUEEN] About info found at "Church of Jesus Christ of Later Day Saints " > Thanks Andi > I have found the same problems. > Please don't post, edit or down load information that has not been verfied. > There is so much WRONG information on the net. > =14599&targetid=5429 ==== McQUEEN Mailing List ==== To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindness, visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness, http://www.RAOGK.org ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

I have put much thought to this reply. Keith you have supported my information more than you might think. Dugal was with James McQueen as a sub clan at Preston. We all know that he fought at Preston and was taken prisoner there with the others. I did not say his brother Alexander was transported with him, only that he had a brother Alexander, although the Hector aboard ship could well be a younger brother. As for the English transporting troublemaker families together, I have run across it in other research. Guess they didn't think people in chains and half starved would be much trouble. The ship Friendship landed in Baltimore not Boston, when Dugal was aboard. Dugal and the others were sold in Baltimore. We also, know that Dugal was in the Inverness area, which is where Corryborough and Pollocraig are located. In fact these two locations are not that far from each other. I have been in direct contact with John McQueen of USA & Germany and he has the deeds, wills and other records that provide the information that I provided in part. I'm sure if you have a contact in Scotland, they would be able to help verify what I listed. Someday I hope to be able to travel there myself. Until then, I am, like many of us that use the internet, limited to the kindness of others and their hard work to further the search. I am descended from William 1, Dugal's son that received the "Fear nothing coat". My line is William 1, William 2, John, Matilda, Sarah, Thomas, John and me, Jane. Jane in Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: K & P Clark > To: McQUEEN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [McQUEEN] The family history > > > Hi All, > > The first from Henry on the history of the Stuarts (nice to hear from you > again Henry) and secondly from jcgrezlik (sorry I don't know your name), > both relating to that very elusive Dugal McQueen. > > I have very little in depth knowledge of American History so I will not > presume to make any comment on Dugal after his arrival in Maryland aboard > the "Friendship", along with four other McQueen prisoners, in 1716. > Now where do the McQueens come into all this? The McQueens (or son of > Swein) were a vassal clan to the Clan Chattan and originated, as we all > know, from the Isles of Skye and Rassay. They were later raised to the > status of a minor Clan under John McQueen in 1609 when he signed the Clan > Chattan Band in his own right as a Chief of all the McQueens and was granted > land near Moy in the shire of Inverness. > > Apart from the odd Clan skirmish nothing relevant happened to the McQueens > until early 1714 when James McQueen of Corryborough and his men joined Lord > Mar's regiment which had mustered at Leuchars Castle in Fife under > Mackintosh of Borlum's Army. They were mainly used to collect levies and > taxes in Perth, Kinross and Fife and were notoriously regarded there as > "wyld Hielandmen", even though some must have settled there as the McQueen > name begins to appear in Kirk Records at that time. > > After that some went on to fight at Sheriffmuir (which was a Jacobite > victory although they didn't know it!!) and the Second Battle of Preston. > At Preston the Jacobite Army was defeated and the English said they could > retain their arms and go home. However the perfidious English renigged on > their promise and took those survivors captive imprisoning them in Preston > Parish Church, where some of their names and other graffiti can still be > seen carved into the stonework. So badly were they treated that the local > people had to sneak food into the church to feed them before they were > "tried" and transported to "The Colonies". (This seemed to be a popular way > for the English to get rid of any insurgents, as many were also transported > to "The Colonies" after the Covenanters invaded England and were defeated > at the First Battle of Preston in 1648!!) In all about nine McQueens were > transported in 1716. > > McQueen support for the 1745 was somewhat less enthusiastic even though the > "Muster Roll of Prince Edward Charles's Army" shows Alexander Mcqueen in > the Athol Brigade, Donald in Pitsligo's Light Horse, John in the Gordons, > Angus with the MacLeods, William of Corryborough with the Mackintoshes and > another Alexander with the McPhersons. > > I would venture to suggest that Dugal, along with the other McQueens > transported, would have been of peasant stock and fighting because of > allegiance to their Laird, James McQueen of Corryborough, otherwise they > would have been sent back to London for summary execution as were other > "Chiefs & Nobles". > > All in all I would like to believe that Dugal McQueen came from Pollocraig, > but without further proof I doubt it. > As for Dugal having brothers "Alexander and perhaps Hector", this again > should be treated with suspicion as Alexander and Hector were two of the > other prisoners onboard the "Friendship" with him. I doubt if the English > would have shipped 'brothers' together in case they caused trouble and > insurgency on the voyage!! > > I have further literature on this period. > > Regards...Keith in South Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <dlr11@comcast.net> > To: <McQUEEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: [McQUEEN] About info found at "Church of Jesus Christ of Later > Day Saints " > > > > Thanks Andi > > I have found the same problems. > > Please don't post, edit or down load information that has not been > verfied. > > There is so much WRONG information on the net. > > =14599&targetid=5429 > > > ==== McQUEEN Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindness, > visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness, http://www.RAOGK.org > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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Jane it seems you and Keith agree about history. I myself think there are flaws in the Dugal story. I am a McQueen born Dublin, roots back to Liverpool and Galloway, Mochrum census 1841 and 1851 called Owen Queen then McQueen since Owen is a Tyrone name from the Irish clan Eoghainacht and King Niall of the 9 Hostages of the time of St.Patrick 5th century and Niall had 3 sons, Laoghaire, Owen and Conall who were give land in Tyrone NI, Leinster and Donegal, Owen is a popular name still in south Tyrone. Maybe I will have to look into Ireland for his birthplace and forebears. Eventually I suppose they were to be found in Scotland as much traffic between the clans in those times. Patricia McQueen Rosset now in San Francisco,formerly born Ireland. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane C. Grezlik To: McQUEEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: Re: [McQUEEN] The family history I have put much thought to this reply. Keith you have supported my information more than you might think. Dugal was with James McQueen as a sub clan at Preston. We all know that he fought at Preston and was taken prisoner there with the others. I did not say his brother Alexander was transported with him, only that he had a brother Alexander, although the Hector aboard ship could well be a younger brother. As for the English transporting troublemaker families together, I have run across it in other research. Guess they didn't think people in chains and half starved would be much trouble. The ship Friendship landed in Baltimore not Boston, when Dugal was aboard. Dugal and the others were sold in Baltimore. We also, know that Dugal was in the Inverness area, which is where Corryborough and Pollocraig are located. In fact these two locations are not that far from each other. I have been in direct contact with John McQueen of USA & Germany and he has the deeds, wills and other records that provide the information that I provided in part. I'm sure if you have a contact in Scotland, they would be able to help verify what I listed. Someday I hope to be able to travel there myself. Until then, I am, like many of us that use the internet, limited to the kindness of others and their hard work to further the search. I am descended from William 1, Dugal's son that received the "Fear nothing coat". My line is William 1, William 2, John, Matilda, Sarah, Thomas, John and me, Jane. Jane in Ohio > ----- Original Message ----- > From: K & P Clark > To: McQUEEN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:09 PM > Subject: Re: [McQUEEN] The family history > > > Hi All, > > The first from Henry on the history of the Stuarts (nice to hear from you > again Henry) and secondly from jcgrezlik (sorry I don't know your name), > both relating to that very elusive Dugal McQueen. > > I have very little in depth knowledge of American History so I will not > presume to make any comment on Dugal after his arrival in Maryland aboard > the "Friendship", along with four other McQueen prisoners, in 1716. > Now where do the McQueens come into all this? The McQueens (or son of > Swein) were a vassal clan to the Clan Chattan and originated, as we all > know, from the Isles of Skye and Rassay. They were later raised to the > status of a minor Clan under John McQueen in 1609 when he signed the Clan > Chattan Band in his own right as a Chief of all the McQueens and was granted > land near Moy in the shire of Inverness. > > Apart from the odd Clan skirmish nothing relevant happened to the McQueens > until early 1714 when James McQueen of Corryborough and his men joined Lord > Mar's regiment which had mustered at Leuchars Castle in Fife under > Mackintosh of Borlum's Army. They were mainly used to collect levies and > taxes in Perth, Kinross and Fife and were notoriously regarded there as > "wyld Hielandmen", even though some must have settled there as the McQueen > name begins to appear in Kirk Records at that time. > > After that some went on to fight at Sheriffmuir (which was a Jacobite > victory although they didn't know it!!) and the Second Battle of Preston. > At Preston the Jacobite Army was defeated and the English said they could > retain their arms and go home. However the perfidious English renigged on > their promise and took those survivors captive imprisoning them in Preston > Parish Church, where some of their names and other graffiti can still be > seen carved into the stonework. So badly were they treated that the local > people had to sneak food into the church to feed them before they were > "tried" and transported to "The Colonies". (This seemed to be a popular way > for the English to get rid of any insurgents, as many were also transported > to "The Colonies" after the Covenanters invaded England and were defeated > at the First Battle of Preston in 1648!!) In all about nine McQueens were > transported in 1716. > > McQueen support for the 1745 was somewhat less enthusiastic even though the > "Muster Roll of Prince Edward Charles's Army" shows Alexander Mcqueen in > the Athol Brigade, Donald in Pitsligo's Light Horse, John in the Gordons, > Angus with the MacLeods, William of Corryborough with the Mackintoshes and > another Alexander with the McPhersons. > > I would venture to suggest that Dugal, along with the other McQueens > transported, would have been of peasant stock and fighting because of > allegiance to their Laird, James McQueen of Corryborough, otherwise they > would have been sent back to London for summary execution as were other > "Chiefs & Nobles". > > All in all I would like to believe that Dugal McQueen came from Pollocraig, > but without further proof I doubt it. > As for Dugal having brothers "Alexander and perhaps Hector", this again > should be treated with suspicion as Alexander and Hector were two of the > other prisoners onboard the "Friendship" with him. I doubt if the English > would have shipped 'brothers' together in case they caused trouble and > insurgency on the voyage!! > > I have further literature on this period. > > Regards...Keith in South Australia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <dlr11@comcast.net> > To: <McQUEEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: [McQUEEN] About info found at "Church of Jesus Christ of Later > Day Saints " > > > > Thanks Andi > > I have found the same problems. > > Please don't post, edit or down load information that has not been > verfied. > > There is so much WRONG information on the net. > > =14599&targetid=5429 > > > ==== McQUEEN Mailing List ==== > To ask for a lookup or volunteer to do acts of genealogical kindness, > visit Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness, http://www.RAOGK.org > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. 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