What I meant was "BEFORE" not past 1850's. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle McMurray de Luces [mailto:smcmurray@nc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:09 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Don-Samuel McMurry of TN/VA My grandfather tells me that somewhere down the line, our name McMurray was originally MacMurray. I'm not sure at what point in time, but it would be interesting to find out and may help alot of us out there. Does anyone have McMurray/McMurray/MacMurray relatives researched past 1750s yet? I am just curious since I am stuck on Thomas E.T. McMurray around 1785. It made me wonder if we are all having the same problem with time period. Michelle McMurray -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:42 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Don-Samuel McMurry of TN/VA Lisa, several researchers have tried to discover the ancestors of the McMurray/McMurry men in Washington Co., Va. I'm pretty sure there is a connection for them. This because in 1782 John and Thomas McMurray, sons of William (son of William the Elder) were in Washington Co., Va. I think it was because their aunt, their father's sister, was there. She and her husband settled in the county after their marriage in Botetourt Co., Va.. Their farm was probably a good stopping-off place for John and Thomas between treks from home (on the Cowpasture River) back and forth to Ky. or N.C. Thomas was by then ready to move to Ky. permanently because in the same year, 1782, he had moved to Lincoln Co., Ky. Incidentally, I may have mentioned this before, don't put too much emphasis on the McMurray vs. McMurry names. It was usually the fault of enumerators and our gang could care less about their surname. Given names were all-important in those days. Several family groups of our McMurrays eventually became McMurrys. My direct line are the only ones to hold onto McMurray and a couple of them even went back to MacMurray. I've considered this but it would be too much work. TTYL, Don -----Original Message----- From: FP4SALE@aol.com [mailto:FP4SALE@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:31 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] Don-Samuel McMurry of TN/VA I enjoyed reading your McMurray info, but still can't tie it in with mine. My Samuel McMurry was born in Sullivan Co. TN about 1786 He was the son of Smauel and Elizabeth McMurray. He married Jane Ramey in about 1808 in what was probably then Washington CO VA. I have the following children: John, my ancestor born 1809 and married Edna Grizzle in 1831, Elizabeth, Joseph who had a son named Sanuel born 1866, the only other Samuel in this line, Sarh "Sally", Robert, Emaline, James, Ellijah J., Eliza Jane, Mary Jane. They resided in Scott CO Va. Samuel passed away November 6th, 1858 and his parents are listed on his death certificate. I believe that all of the Scott Co McMurrys decended from them. Do you have any more clues for me? WIth the name Samuel, and the location, I was hoping they tie in some how. If not, I would like to know where he came from. Thanks, Lisa Stephenson ______________________________