I found the following data while at the WebSite http://165.83.115.136/VFMuster/index.htm Leslie Kohler ----------------------------- Muster Roll Data Sheet Personal ID: PA04864 LName: MCMURRAY FName: JOHN Suffix: Ethnicity: Rank: PRIVATE Rank Type: RANK AND FILE State: PA Regiment: 6 PA Division: 2ND DIVISION Brigade: 3RD PA BRIGADE Company: CAPT. JOHN DOYLE'S CO. Monthly Status Data December 1777: January 1778: February 1778: March 1778: April 1778: May 1778: June 1778: Additional Remarks (if any): DATE OF ENLISTMENT NOT SHOWN. OCT. 1778, ON DUTY.

See information on this person in the forwarded post below. Leslie Kohler -- Original Message -- From: "Sandi Gorin" <sgorin@glasgow-ky.com> To: <SOUTH-CENTRAL-KENTUCKY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: [SCKY] MONROE CO CIRCUIT COURT - RICHARDSON VS SHORT & PERDUE > File 62, filed 18 June 1888. > > W. Kirk RICHARDSON vs J D SHORT, Wm T. PERDUE. > > Short left a promissory note in 1884. Agreed to pay RICHARDSON at certain > times and at certain interest rates. This for a parcel of land - hasn't paid. > > J E McMURTRY sent not to the Monroe Co Clerk dated 16 June 1888 from > Burkesville, KY. Was sending a young man who he believed to be a MAXEY from > Monroe Co. Described him as a heavy set fellow of red complexion - he will > take care of the matter. > > No conclusion in files. > > Sandi > > Col. Sandi Gorin, 205 Clements, Glasgow, KY 42141 (270) 651-9114 > Member: Glasgow-Barren Co Chamber of Commerce > Publishing: http://ggpublishing.tripod.com/

Carolyn Crouch -- Per your James McMurray, per info sent to me by Ben Callahan -- Your James was son of Robert McMurray of Cabarrus Co., NC, tho he moved back and forth some, per Ben. Ben didn't have your James' wife name Agnes; Robert's wife Eleanor, and other sibs Francis Marion,m. Jennett Fleming; Martha, m. Valentine Kirpatrick; Robert Jr., m. Jean Haber Wiley; Eleanor; and Samuel, m. ?, whose one knownchild Jane Morrow McM m. Robert Allen. Robert was son of Thomas, and his father William, as you have noted. Ben Callahan can provide you w/further info. But sounds like you have as much as we do. Where's your info from? Wilda McMurry

Good morning everyone. The message below came directly to me From: "Bob & Judi Stull" <rcstull@home.com> because their address was not subscribed. Leslie ```````` > Hi everyone, Happy Holidays! > Don, I'm sorry, I don't know Mr. Elrod. It has been so long since I've > worked on this line of my family that I didn't even recognize in the > first email as one of mine! Yikes, I've got to get busy again! Thanks > for all of the updated info. > Have a wonderful holiday, > Judi Stull > > Don McMurray wrote: > > > > Claire, thanks for the tip. I've never looked at the LDS web site. The > > submitters (2) of the information for "William McMurry with wife Mary" are > > Judy Stull and a Parker David Elrod. I don't know Mr. Elrod but have been > > in touch with Judy and am sending a copy of this message to her. Judy, do > > you know who Mr. Elrod is? If so, let me know and I'll send him this > > message. In the meantime, you may wish to modify your family group sheet > > for William. If you do, you might add his father, William to the > > information. > > > > Now let me correct some of the data in the existing family group sheet for > > William McMurry and his alleged wife Mary. > > > > The name William McMurry: his name is actually spelled McMurray although > > some of his records show the name misspelled as McMurry, McMory, Memory, > > etc. The latter spelling may be significant as you will see in the > > following information. Also, several sons of Agnes & William allowed their > > name to be shortened to McMurry. It seems only my ancestors, Jane & James > > McMurray and their descendants kept the original spelling. > > > > Mary as the wife of William McMurray: W. Fletcher Guy McMurry, a professor > > and an early and thorough researcher of the McMurray/McMurry family > > inadvertently started the misunderstanding about Mary. He mentioned in a > > letter to a cousin that he believed William's wife was named Mary because he > > found the name Mary in a deed. His comment has permeated the research of > > others that followed him and is included in Bone's McMurry Family. However, > > I have a subsequent letter that Fletcher wrote in which he made a note in > > the margin indicating the name Mary referred to a river in the deed to which > > he referred. William's land in the deed was on the River Mary, since > > renamed the South River on the floor of the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. > > > > Agnes as the wife of William McMurray: In a court case on 12 Mar 1756, > > "Jas. Simpson vs. James Campbell," I believe I have found a record that > > shows that Agnes was William's wife's name. The document filed refers to a > > Margaret Campbell "of the lower Cowpasture" (where the McMurray brothers' > > farms were located), a harpy that the citizens were mad at and who filed a > > petition in support of the plaintiff, John Simpson. The signers of the > > document are all neighbors of Samuel McMurray and Agnes & William McMurray > > (Chalkley, I, p. 306 & 315). I won't list all of the signers but other > > records confirm that they were the McMurrays' neighbors. The most important > > signers of this petition are, I think, Samuel McMory (McMurray), Agnes > > Memory (McMurray) and William Memory (McMurray). Note that by changing the > > "e" to "c" in Memory, it becomes McMory. This petition is the record, > > although circumstantial, that I use to support the name of Agnes as the > > mother of William McMurray's children. Not to mention the fact that Agnes > > is the name of one of Agnes's and William's daughters and that there are no > > other records for a family named "Memory" on the lower Cowpasture River. > > > > Birth dates of the McMurray children: There were two early genealogists who > > researched our family, Ernest I. Lewis (1930's) and W. Fletcher Guy McMurry > > (1940's). Both men struggled with the birth years for the kids. None of > > the researchers that followed them has ever come up with dates that can be > > proven, except for two, so the dates I gave you are my best guess. The only > > changes in the birth years that I can confirm are for the daughters, Agnes > > and Janet Jane. Both were married with the prior consent of their father, > > William, so I have concluded that the girls were underage when they married. > > > > I'm also convinced there is a missing son named William and that he should > > be the oldest boy. Either that or William McMurray (VA the Elder) who is > > known to have been with the McMurrays' on the Cowpasture is an uncle, rather > > than the father of Samuel and William. This because our family religiously > > adhered to the Scot's "naming way", at least up through the early to > > mid-1800's. > > > > Regards, Don

Claire, I neglected to give you the records in which "William McMurry with wife Mary" is correctly listed as William "McMurray." They are in the works published by Chalkley (Chronicles, I, p. 45-48), Henning (VII, p. 179 & 199), Burton's Botetourt Co., Va. "Tithable List"), Summers (Part 1, p. 120), and the Virginia House of Burgess. Then there are the estate papers: Judy Stull shows in the Family Group sheet that William died "before 1798." His death was actually in 1798 based on a statement of account filed by his sons, James and Thomas. The brothers had returned from Ky. to tend to their father's affairs and were administrators of William's estate. As such, on 29 Nov 1798, the appraisement of William's estate and Inventory was filed. Then on 30 Nov 1798, James "McMurray" and Thomas "McMurray" disbursed funds and paid bills, including the funeral expenses for William "McMurray," according to a statement of account filed with the Court on 09 Mar 1803 (Botetourt Co., Va. Will Book B, p. 29-30). TTYL, Don -----Original Message----- From: cfurth@ix.netcom.com [mailto:cfurth@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 7:59 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] William McMURRY (VA the Elder) If you go to the following web page and do a search for William McMurry with wife Mary, you will find a family group sheet that appears to be the family you have given for Agnes and William McMurray in your email below. It also gives exact birth dates for three of the children but no sources are provided. http://www.familysearch.com/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Is this the same William? Was Agnes or Mary a second wife? Are the dates accurate? Can anyone provide source information or differentiate that which is proven from that which is speculative? Claire On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:11:32 -0500, you wrote: (Text Deleted) >James McMurray (KY)'s parents are Agnes & William McMurray (VA) and his >grandfather is William McMurray (VA the Elder) of Ireland, an Ulster Scot, >who, according to family tradition, "brot his five sonnes (and at least one >daughter) over the briney deepe" to America. Agnes's & William's children's >ages are uncertain so I'll give my best guess. All were apparently born in >the Shenandoah Valley of Va. on the Cowpasture River, Augusta, now Botetourt >Co., Va. They are John (b. ca. 1752-53), James (b. ca. 1758), Thomas (b. >ca. 1760 or 1765), Janet Jane (b. ca. 1771), Agnes (b. ca. 1772), and Robert >(b. Dec 1772). (Text Deleted) >Regards, Don

Claire, thanks for the tip. I've never looked at the LDS web site. The submitters (2) of the information for "William McMurry with wife Mary" are Judy Stull and a Parker David Elrod. I don't know Mr. Elrod but have been in touch with Judy and am sending a copy of this message to her. Judy, do you know who Mr. Elrod is? If so, let me know and I'll send him this message. In the meantime, you may wish to modify your family group sheet for William. If you do, you might add his father, William to the information. Now let me correct some of the data in the existing family group sheet for William McMurry and his alleged wife Mary. The name William McMurry: his name is actually spelled McMurray although some of his records show the name misspelled as McMurry, McMory, Memory, etc. The latter spelling may be significant as you will see in the following information. Also, several sons of Agnes & William allowed their name to be shortened to McMurry. It seems only my ancestors, Jane & James McMurray and their descendants kept the original spelling. Mary as the wife of William McMurray: W. Fletcher Guy McMurry, a professor and an early and thorough researcher of the McMurray/McMurry family inadvertently started the misunderstanding about Mary. He mentioned in a letter to a cousin that he believed William's wife was named Mary because he found the name Mary in a deed. His comment has permeated the research of others that followed him and is included in Bone's McMurry Family. However, I have a subsequent letter that Fletcher wrote in which he made a note in the margin indicating the name Mary referred to a river in the deed to which he referred. William's land in the deed was on the River Mary, since renamed the South River on the floor of the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia. Agnes as the wife of William McMurray: In a court case on 12 Mar 1756, "Jas. Simpson vs. James Campbell," I believe I have found a record that shows that Agnes was William's wife's name. The document filed refers to a Margaret Campbell "of the lower Cowpasture" (where the McMurray brothers' farms were located), a harpy that the citizens were mad at and who filed a petition in support of the plaintiff, John Simpson. The signers of the document are all neighbors of Samuel McMurray and Agnes & William McMurray (Chalkley, I, p. 306 & 315). I won't list all of the signers but other records confirm that they were the McMurrays' neighbors. The most important signers of this petition are, I think, Samuel McMory (McMurray), Agnes Memory (McMurray) and William Memory (McMurray). Note that by changing the "e" to "c" in Memory, it becomes McMory. This petition is the record, although circumstantial, that I use to support the name of Agnes as the mother of William McMurray's children. Not to mention the fact that Agnes is the name of one of Agnes's and William's daughters and that there are no other records for a family named "Memory" on the lower Cowpasture River. Birth dates of the McMurray children: There were two early genealogists who researched our family, Ernest I. Lewis (1930's) and W. Fletcher Guy McMurry (1940's). Both men struggled with the birth years for the kids. None of the researchers that followed them has ever come up with dates that can be proven, except for two, so the dates I gave you are my best guess. The only changes in the birth years that I can confirm are for the daughters, Agnes and Janet Jane. Both were married with the prior consent of their father, William, so I have concluded that the girls were underage when they married. I'm also convinced there is a missing son named William and that he should be the oldest boy. Either that or William McMurray (VA the Elder) who is known to have been with the McMurrays' on the Cowpasture is an uncle, rather than the father of Samuel and William. This because our family religiously adhered to the Scot's "naming way", at least up through the early to mid-1800's. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: cfurth@ix.netcom.com [mailto:cfurth@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 7:59 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] William McMURRY (VA the Elder) If you go to the following web page and do a search for William McMurry with wife Mary, you will find a family group sheet that appears to be the family you have given for Agnes and William McMurray in your email below. It also gives exact birth dates for three of the children but no sources are provided. http://www.familysearch.com/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Is this the same William? Was Agnes or Mary a second wife? Are the dates accurate? Can anyone provide source information or differentiate that which is proven from that which is speculative? Claire

I have a list of Samuel's children and wife from Genforum and my insertion of information on William as follows Samuel md. Elizabeth Wilson daughter of John Wilson and Nancy ? Children James McMurry, 1765 - ? md Jeminma Gould 22 Dec 1787 in Caswell Co NC Mary McMurry, 1766 - 1843 in Benton Co. TN md John Sarret 18 March 1783 Person Co. NC Charles McMurry 1767 - 1820 married Janet Douglas John McMurry 1774 - 1836 md Ann Wilson William McMurry 1775 - 1859 Anderson District S. C. md Jane Willson daughter of John Willson d. Abt 1820 Pendleton District SC, md Rebecca possibly Wade Children of William and Jane First Daughter Elizabeth 1801 - 1870 Floyd Co. GA md 1820 Pendleton District SC William Langston 1794 - 1869 Floyd County GA William C. McMurry Joberry McMurry Samuel Wilson McMurry 1780 - 11 Mar 1842 md Matilda Lipscome Charles McMurry md 22 Dec 1789 Caswell Co. NC Jannet McMurry I can provide limited Documentation on William that I am willing share. What is the documnetation for his parents and siblings and grandparents? Would like to have copies and am willing to pay copy and postage costs. Were the McMurry's by any chance Quaker at one time? Deborah Byrd

Hello, It is Christmas time and, therefore, time to bore you with the condensed version of our year. Other than wonderful times with family and friends, the only extra fun part of my year was that one of our daughters and I went on a tour. My billfold was 'lifted' in London, and yet I still found the city fascinating. My favorite part of this trip to England, France, and Spain, however, was the ferry ride on the English channel. I have always loved being on the water and spent most of the hour and a half crossing out on the deck, in spite of the foul weather! As we grew ever distant from those beautiful white cliffs at the port of Dover, I could not help but wonder how the English civilians must have felt as they were leaving, in their private craft, during WWII, to rescue the military men from the shores of France. Our second grandchild joined the family (a whole month early) on March 30th. Our niece and her children were arriving from our homestate of MO. My husband had plans to take Mother to her dental appointment so that I could collect the 3 of them from the airport. Instead, one of our daughters headed for the airport (unbeknownst to our niece) while I stayed to help this sweet and small, but healthy, baby come safely into this world. She and our other grandaughter (born Sept '99) are the highlights of this grandmother's and granddaddy's lives! Sadly for us, one of my husband's brothers was called to be with the Lord on March 7th. Naturally we went to MO for his funeral. But, that definitely was not a fun way to get to see the other siblings. (We hope to do better in 2001.) This brother would have been 75 yrs old on the very day our 2nd grandchild was born, and we miss him so much! Then, on October 2nd, my dear mother died, only 36 hours after the birth of my sister's third grandchild. (This baby also arrived small and healthy, but a month ahead of schedule!) Mother's advanced cancer was detected, very unexpectantly, only one month before her flight Home to Heaven. We were in MO at the time, so she died right there where she had been born, in our hometown of Carrollton. My husband and I were with her until after she drew her final breath, and for that I will always be thankful. Being an 'orphan', with no living siblings, is a scary thing for me. And, frankly I do not feel that I am wise enough to be the lead generation of the family! We continue to be blissfully spoiled by having all of our young-adult children living right here in the Phoenix metro area. All were here for Thanksgiving and will be for Christmas! The only thing better would be for my sister's children and grandchildren to be as close at hand. Luckily, we get to spend time with them when we go to MO. Christmas will be difficult without Mother and my brother-in-law, but we will persevere. After all, at least we know (as a friend so wisely told me) that they are attending the ultimate birthday party for Christ. Best wishes and much love to all for this Holy Holiday season and for 2001. Leslie

If you go to the following web page and do a search for William McMurry with wife Mary, you will find a family group sheet that appears to be the family you have given for Agnes and William McMurray in your email below. It also gives exact birth dates for three of the children but no sources are provided. http://www.familysearch.com/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp Is this the same William? Was Agnes or Mary a second wife? Are the dates accurate? Can anyone provide source information or differentiate that which is proven from that which is speculative? Claire On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:11:32 -0500, you wrote: (Text Deleted) >James McMurray (KY)'s parents are Agnes & William McMurray (VA) and his >grandfather is William McMurray (VA the Elder) of Ireland, an Ulster Scot, >who, according to family tradition, "brot his five sonnes (and at least one >daughter) over the briney deepe" to America. Agnes's & William's children's >ages are uncertain so I'll give my best guess. All were apparently born in >the Shenandoah Valley of Va. on the Cowpasture River, Augusta, now Botetourt >Co., Va. They are John (b. ca. 1752-53), James (b. ca. 1758), Thomas (b. >ca. 1760 or 1765), Janet Jane (b. ca. 1771), Agnes (b. ca. 1772), and Robert >(b. Dec 1772). (Text Deleted) >Regards, Don

Harold, your question is a good one. I've been unable to find a connection for my family in Ulster so can't say when William McMurray (VA the Elder) left Ulster for America. The family was in the Shenandoah Valley of Va. by 1749 but may have been in Pa. as many Scots were, prior to when they went to Va. Did some checking there but no luck to date. Now, the family tradition says William brought his five sons with him to America. So far, I have identified four candidates, and a possible fifth McMurray in Augusta Co., Va. in the 1750 era. The "possible" McMurray shows up in records as McCurry on a branch of the Roanoke River, at Devils Den, near what is now Roanoke, Va. Do you know where James McMurry was in Ireland and where and when he shows up in N.C.? If he is a member of my McMurray family, he may have been in Va. with the other brothers and cousins in 1749. Then James may have left in 1758 with three other McMurrays, Thomas, John and William (the latter two men are possible McMurrays, AKA McCurrys). These three men left the Shenandoah Valley of Va. with The Rev. Alexander Craighead following the defeat of Braddock in the French and Indian War. Craighead took many of his Presbyterian flock to safer climes in Anson Co., N.C. where they can be found scattered there. I do know that William McMurray (VA the Elder)'s ancestors were probably among the first Scots to populate County Down, Ulster in 1606. This county and County Antrim is where the great majority of McMurrays and McMurrys can be found in the militia records for 1632 and 1643. Later surveys show the same thing, most McMurrays were in these two counties in Ulster. Not to mention that our family history says William (VA the Elder) was a fourth- or fifth-generation Scot born in Ulster. The concentration of McMurrays in County Down tells me that they must have been recruited by Hamilton and Montgomery, two Scottish lairds from the Galloway area, who in 1606 initiated the first successful "plantation" of Ulster. Several previous "plantation" attempts, authorized by Queen Elizabeth, ended in failure. The land obtained by Hamilton and Montgomery belonged to an Irish chief, Conn, who held the northern half of County Down. In subsequent years, Hamilton finagled some deals and also came to own a portion of County Antrim. However, much of Antrim was already filled with Scots from the catholic Macdonnell clan who were based in the Isles. This is how Down and Antrim came to be settled predominantly with Scots. So much so that when the "Great Plantation of Ulster" occurred in 1611, the "plantation" occurred in all the Ulster counties save Down and Antrim. Hence my belief that the McMurrays came over in the early wave of Scottish settlers. Having said all that, I don't -----Original Message----- From: Harold Coffman [mailto:HCoffman@prodigy.net] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 7:15 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] James McMurry b 1720 Ireland I keep reading about the Ulster Scott William McMurry and his son William McMurry and his wife Agnes. I wonder if anyone has established any relationship with the James McMurry born about 1720 in Ireland and died after 1788 in North Carolina. I know of only two sons of the North Carolina McMurry, Samuel (born 1740 and 1745 probably in Ireland and died 15 March 1802 in Person County, North Carolina) and John McMurry (born 1748 and died 07 July 1820 in Sumner County, Tennessee). Samuel McMurry also had descendants that moved and settled in what is now Smith County, Tennessee. Just wondering if there might be any connection. Harold R. Coffman 5205 Highlands Dr. McKinney, Texas 75070-7625 972-569-9418 hcoffman@Prodigy.net .

I keep reading about the Ulster Scott William McMurry and his son William McMurry and his wife Agnes. I wonder if anyone has established any relationship with the James McMurry born about 1720 in Ireland and died after 1788 in North Carolina. I know of only two sons of the North Carolina McMurry, Samuel (born 1740 and 1745 probably in Ireland and died 15 March 1802 in Person County, North Carolina) and John McMurry (born 1748 and died 07 July 1820 in Sumner County, Tennessee). Samuel McMurry also had descendants that moved and settled in what is now Smith County, Tennessee. Just wondering if there might be any connection. Harold R. Coffman 5205 Highlands Dr. McKinney, Texas 75070-7625 972-569-9418 hcoffman@Prodigy.net .

Dorles, sorry, you are right, Fielden left central Ill. for Oregon in 1853. He is the half-brother of my ancestor, William McMurray. Their father is James McMurray (KY) (b. ca. 1758). James married first Janet Jane McElwee (b. 1772) on 30 Dec 1790 in Lincoln Co., Ky. and their known children are Janet Jane (b. ca. 1791) my ancestor, William (b. 1792), Sally (b. ca. 1795), and James (b. ca. 1797). After Janet Jane died in 1797, James married Margaret Priest Smith on 20 Jan 1799. Margaret's & James's children are Jane Lennette (b. 18 Nov 1799), John C. (b. ca. 1800), George H. (b. 02 June 1802), Clelland (b. ca. 1809), Mary (b. ca. 1813), Fielden (b. 31 May 1814), H.A. (pos, child, b. 1815), and Corbin (b. pos 1816). James McMurray (KY)'s parents are Agnes & William McMurray (VA) and his grandfather is William McMurray (VA the Elder) of Ireland, an Ulster Scot, who, according to family tradition, "brot his five sonnes (and at least one daughter) over the briney deepe" to America. Agnes's & William's children's ages are uncertain so I'll give my best guess. All were apparently born in the Shenandoah Valley of Va. on the Cowpasture River, Augusta, now Botetourt Co., Va. They are John (b. ca. 1752-53), James (b. ca. 1758), Thomas (b. ca. 1760 or 1765), Janet Jane (b. ca. 1771), Agnes (b. ca. 1772), and Robert (b. Dec 1772). Agnes's and William's children left Va. between 1782 (Thomas), 1789 (all but Robert) and 1804 (Robert). Everyone went into the area of Va. that became Ky. and settled in either Lincoln Co. (Thomas) or on the Rolling fork of the Salt River in Nelson, now Marion Co., Ky. Regards, Don I've traced my family all the way from first picked -----Original Message----- From: Repass, Dorles L [mailto:dorles.repass@eds.com] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:29 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] Fielden McMurray Don, The name "Smith McMurray" is interesting. Smith James's mother was Martha "Patsy" Snead. Martha had a brother named Smith Snead. Smith James also had an uncle by marriage, Peyton Smith. So, I suppose the "Smith" in Smith James's name could come from either of these uncles. Then, of course, Smith James had another uncle, Fielden/Fielding James. You mentioned that Fielden McMurray was a farmer in Illinois prior to moving to Oregon in 1753. Is this a correct date? Should it be 1853? Can you tell me more about Fielden McMurray? His parents? Other siblings? It seems possible that there could be a connection between your McMurray line and my McMurry line. Thanks. Dorles -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:11 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC It's interesting how the given names follow the family. There is also a Smith McMurray in our line but no one has figured out why the name Smith was given to him. I always thought it was just a mix-up in the records. Don -----Original Message----- From: Repass, Dorles L [mailto:dorles.repass@eds.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:41 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC Don, I don't know if you remember corresponding with me. I am looking for the family of Isabelle McMurry who married Smith James between 1820-1825. Smith James was from Barren county, KY. He and Isabelle moved to Texas in 1854. I have never found their marriage record, but Smith was apparently in Alabama for a short period sometime between and 1820 and 1830. I am in close contact with Wilda McMurry who has been involved in this latest McMurry discussion. The name Fielden is important to the James family. Smith James's uncle was Fielden/Fielding James who died young in Barren county in 1817. Fielding James's widow was Sally Custer James who later married Michael Robinson and migrated to Jefferson county, Indiana. It is believed that Fielding James's mother, Ruth, may have been a Fielding/Fielden by birth. Dorles Repass - ==== MCMURRY Mailing List ==== Post your McMURRY, Bible Records at the following URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/m/c/MCMURRY/bible_record s

Don, The name "Smith McMurray" is interesting. Smith James's mother was Martha "Patsy" Snead. Martha had a brother named Smith Snead. Smith James also had an uncle by marriage, Peyton Smith. So, I suppose the "Smith" in Smith James's name could come from either of these uncles. Then, of course, Smith James had another uncle, Fielden/Fielding James. You mentioned that Fielden McMurray was a farmer in Illinois prior to moving to Oregon in 1753. Is this a correct date? Should it be 1853? Can you tell me more about Fielden McMurray? His parents? Other siblings? It seems possible that there could be a connection between your McMurray line and my McMurry line. Thanks. Dorles -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:11 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC It's interesting how the given names follow the family. There is also a Smith McMurray in our line but no one has figured out why the name Smith was given to him. I always thought it was just a mix-up in the records. Don -----Original Message----- From: Repass, Dorles L [mailto:dorles.repass@eds.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:41 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC Don, I don't know if you remember corresponding with me. I am looking for the family of Isabelle McMurry who married Smith James between 1820-1825. Smith James was from Barren county, KY. He and Isabelle moved to Texas in 1854. I have never found their marriage record, but Smith was apparently in Alabama for a short period sometime between and 1820 and 1830. I am in close contact with Wilda McMurry who has been involved in this latest McMurry discussion. The name Fielden is important to the James family. Smith James's uncle was Fielden/Fielding James who died young in Barren county in 1817. Fielding James's widow was Sally Custer James who later married Michael Robinson and migrated to Jefferson county, Indiana. It is believed that Fielding James's mother, Ruth, may have been a Fielding/Fielden by birth. Dorles Repass - ==== MCMURRY Mailing List ==== Post your McMURRY, Bible Records at the following URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/m/c/MCMURRY/bible_record s

Joy, there is a good genealogical library in Frankfort, Ky. They have a list of researchers who will help. Other than that, I suggest you use the LDS library system, they have a ton of records on film. I don't know anything about In. Good hunting, Don -----Original Message----- From: joy lindstedt [mailto:jlindste@gte.net] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 4:26 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC Don Yes I have tried the local and state outlets for information, Yes I have alot of information on your Feildman,. I have gone to funeral homes and cemetaries for their records some are very helpful other don't have anything or don't want to help you, as my sister found out at one when she and my mother were told that it was none of their business. Don I have trouble getting information from Ky and In. For I know that Ggf and Ggm were from Ky and then he went to In. where he married Sarah Jane Lester and came out to Washington. With his children and it looks like some of his brothers, but who and how many we don't know. Job is the name on his headstone and in the local papers, so we don't know if that was his first or just what he used. My father and uncles all told us that their name had been spelled different, but was changed after a family dispute. My sister has been working on finding all of the younger generation while I work on the older. That is how we found Tami and been with her and shared information. Since she knew where our GreatGrandfather was buried. have copies of my grandfathers burial information and a copy of the newspaper articles about my Greatgrandfather. Nothing on my Greatgrandmother except her name and birth place of Ky. Her name was Elizabeth Frost is all we know. Thank you for your interest and any help you can lend me. Thank you Joy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don McMurray" <don@norrishouse.com> To: <MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 6:46 AM Subject: RE: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC > Joy, not sure if this will help you. The siblings of my McMurray family > migrated from the Shenandoah Valley of Va. to Ky. in the 1782-89 era. They > then spread out in subsequent years into Ill., Iowa, Calif. and Oregon and. > in the process, some family groups allowed their name to become McMurry > starting in the Ky. area. My direct ancestor, James McMurray (KY) and his > descendants kept the original spelling but his brothers, John, Robert and > Thomas, all settled for McMurry. The Oregon group was headed by Fielden > McMurray who is the half-brother of my ancestor, William McMurray. Fielden > was farming in central Ill. (near Quincy) in 1753 when he headed west with > the second wagon train of McMurray/McMurrys. Fielden and family went to > Oregon and some of the other McMurrys in the second train went into Calif. > They settled in northern Calif. not far from the first group. The first > group had gold fever and left for Calif. in 1849 with the entire > Presbyterian church from Oskaloosa, Iowa. > > Fielden' s widow, Harriet (Riggs) McMurray donated their farm to the > University of Oregon and I'm told the farm house is still standing on the > university campus at Eugene, Oreg. > > Good hunting, Don McMurray > > -----Original Message----- > From: joy lindstedt [mailto:jlindste@gte.net] > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:27 PM > To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in > Rutherford Co., NC > > > Hi, my name is Joy louise McMurry LIndstedt, I'm a cousin to Tami, Yes we do > have a Green McMurry who died in Oregon in 1914, He and his nephew are > buried at the cemetary at Damascus Oregon. He is the brothe to Jobe and we > are trying to locate the others. Since we were told that they came from > large families, On my grandfathers death papers states he was born to a Job > and Elizabeth (Frost) in Kentucky. > So any information that you could give us would be greatly appreciated. > Joy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <YeloRibbon@aol.com> > To: <MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 2:11 PM > Subject: Re: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in > Rutherford Co., NC > > > > Tami > > > > You don't sound any dumber than the rest of us. This is what we all have > to > > go on, names and geography. > > > > They very likely may be related -- when you go back far enough most of > them > > are. But your other family names are not similar to my known collateral > > family names, and the names of the men are not the same. Mine run to the > > standards -- Samuel, William, Thomas, George Washington, James, John. We > do > > not have Benjamin, Robert, David, Peter showing up, as in some lines. > > > > Have you checked out the Augustine web page w/the descendants of Wm. of > VA, > > many of whom were in KY? You might find a connection there. It's: > > > > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/a/u/g/Jeff-G-Augustin/GENE9-0001.html > > > > We don't know where the "GREEN" comes from yet, but we do know it comes > down > > -- one of Thos. W.'s g'daughters named Nancy GREEN McMurry. So it's > important > > in the family. > > > > Good luck, and keep looking. One day we'll get them all connected. > > > > Wilda McMurry > > > > > > > > ==== MCMURRY Mailing List ==== > > Post your McMURRY Wills at the following URL: > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/m/c/MCMURRY/wills > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ==== MCMURRY Mailing List ==== > Post your McMURRY Biographies at the following URL: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/m/c/MCMURRY/biographies >

Hi Patience, no I've never had any luck with the McMurrays in Pa. It is very possible my gang was there, probably in Lancaster Co., Pa., but they would have left before 1749. That's when I picked up their trail in the Shenandoah Valley of Va. Don -----Original Message----- From: Patience Northern [mailto:pashe@indy.net] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 11:01 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC As the McMurrays passed through Pa. Lucy McMurray 1813 , dau of Samuel McMurray married David J. Fleming. Their daughter Mary Elizabeth Fleming married Andrew Jackson Keever who settled in Wayne Co., Indiana, my direct line. Do you have any information about this McMurray line? Samuel was the s/o Samual and Mary McIntire. Patience ______________________________

It's interesting how the given names follow the family. There is also a Smith McMurray in our line but no one has figured out why the name Smith was given to him. I always thought it was just a mix-up in the records. Don -----Original Message----- From: Repass, Dorles L [mailto:dorles.repass@eds.com] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:41 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Samuel McMURRY m. Elizabeth HUDDLESTON 1786 in Rutherford Co., NC Don, I don't know if you remember corresponding with me. I am looking for the family of Isabelle McMurry who married Smith James between 1820-1825. Smith James was from Barren county, KY. He and Isabelle moved to Texas in 1854. I have never found their marriage record, but Smith was apparently in Alabama for a short period sometime between and 1820 and 1830. I am in close contact with Wilda McMurry who has been involved in this latest McMurry discussion. The name Fielden is important to the James family. Smith James's uncle was Fielden/Fielding James who died young in Barren county in 1817. Fielding James's widow was Sally Custer James who later married Michael Robinson and migrated to Jefferson county, Indiana. It is believed that Fielding James's mother, Ruth, may have been a Fielding/Fielden by birth. Dorles Repass -

Elizabeth, the only connection I think possible is a John McMurray who in 1758 left the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia with his brother, William and their uncle, Thomas. They first settled in Anson Co., N.C. and John is said (by others) to have migrated to Ga. but I don't know when he landed there. I don't if William went with him or not. I know this isn't much but it's the only thing I can think of. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: Elisabeth Green-Streeter [mailto:elis@hiwaay.net] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 10:12 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] William McMurray Don, Is one of your eight William McMurrays the William who died in 1815 in Morgan Co., GA? His will lists wife, Eleanor. William appears in lists of Headright Grants in Washington Co., GA, in 1786, 1790, and 1792. He was a grand juror in Washington Co. Superior Court for the September 1796 term. He seems to be listed on tax lists for Clarke Co., GA, in 1805 and Morgan Co., GA, in 1810. His will listed wife, Eleanor, children Elizabeth Evans, John McMurray, Mary Anderson Burney, and William McMurray. It also listed grandchildren, Franklin Augustus McMurray, John McDonald McMurray, Augusta Ann McMurray, and Clarissa Evans, as well as slaves Epex & Jamima, Jerry & Peggy, Delinda & Cisey, Rase, Ceasar, Lewis & Samuel, Abby, Susan, & Fanny, James, Epex, Jr., Hannah, Keziah. Those signing his will were James Daniell, Reubin Winfrey, William Daniell & John Bassett. Elisabeth ______________________________

William married Jane Willson daughter of John Willson d. before 1823 in Pendleton District. Wiliam had at least one son William Junior and at least two duaghters. According to her marriage annoucncement Elizabeth who married William Langston was the second daughter. Willliam Seniors will (Assuiming this is the father and not the son) lists his grandson Greenberry Langston. If I have the correct William Langston and wife Elizabeth, they did not have a son Green berry, at least not alive in 1850, nor in any of the family lore. So I am looking for a complete list of William Senior's Children and the Children of William Junior.. I haven't found an obiturary for either William in Pendleton/Anderson county. Thank you for the help. Deborah Byrd

Can any of you link up to James McMurray born probably 1750 in North Carolina? He was married to Agnes. James' father was Robert McMurray (ey?) born 1726 and died 1800, both in NC. He was married to Eleanor. Robert's father was Thomas. The last entry I have is for Thomas' father, William. I have no information on these folks other than what is listed. I also have no information on siblings, which is likely what I need to be able to link up with some of you. Any information will be appreciated.

Joy and Tami, I can't tell if you're fairly new at this, and I'm certainly no expert, but there are probably a couple of resources you may not know about or have pursued. The first is funeral homes. If Green and Jobe died say 80-100 years ago, you may or may not be able to track down funeral home records for them. But the nephews were probably somewhat later. Funeral homes take info from the family and write the obit from that info. They almost always have more info than they use. By mid-century, at least, they took names of parents, their birth dates and places, as well as the decedent. And all you have to do is ask. Funeral homes and cemeteries will give you any info they have. Funeral homes will usually have been sold a time or two, and sometimes the old records have been lost, but many times they will have been passed on to the new owner or to a local historical library. Damascus cemetery can probably tell you which funeral homes handled the burials for the nephews. The second is county history books. See if you can find one for the county they lived in. They were published by many counties about a hundred years ago. From the info Don provided, sounds like Fielden might have been someone whose bio would have been included. Don't forget to look up all the names you know - all the wives' names, etc. And look up any names that show up in THEIR bios. People, especially our clannish Scots-Irish, traveled together, and they married the ones they traveled with. So the same name will show up over and over. Also from the info Don provided, I'd think the Univ. would have some info on the Fielden family, since she donated a farm. It's interesting and sometimes helpful to look at those history books for the areas they came from, too; I had a distant cousin who made money in the gold fields and went back where he came from. And I found one branch of my family because of the name of a little boy in a family my ggfather stayed with in the census; that little boy was by then an old man and then gone, but his daughter had included his bio in the history book, and I found where they came from. Speaking of the census, have you followed them back that way? If you haven't done census and Soundex record searches, your local historical library can help a lot. If this is telling you stuff you already know and have done, sorry. But I know when I started it took me a while to figure out some things, and the funeral home bit just really blew me away when a cousin contributed that. Wilda McMurry