This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0E0.2ACEB/65.1 Message Board Post: I have never heard of the Battle Book. Where do you get it?I am a desendent of the McMurrys from Tennessee, my grandfather was Travis McCall McMurry and his father was Travis also, and his mother was Mary Caroline" Gilbert"McMurry, they lived in Parsons Tennessee, Mary is buried in the McMurry Cemetary in Parsons, have not found out where Travis is buried yet.Would like any information you have on the family.My email is PGDavis47@hotmail.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McMURRY --------------- and PITT Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/0E0.2ACEB/65 Message Board Post: For a long time, I have shown my Gillie McMURRY (1866-1914) as the d/o a Frank McMURRY (born ca 1840 in Robertson County,TN) who has been said to be the s/o Robert McMURRY. Today I received, from a fellow researcher, information on 'a' Gillie McMURRY who was living in Decatur, Rhea County,TN, with her parents, in 1880 and was 14 years old. This Gillie's father was not Frank McMURRY, but was T.W. McMURRY (age 49 years). According to a family book entitled, "The Battle Book", my Gillie's mother was Annette or Amanda PITT who was the w/o Frank McMURRY. I am now left wondering, until I find further information; and, I am always up for hearing theories or sharing documented information. Leslie (Bridges) Kohler P.O. Box 8137, Glendale, AZ 85312-8137 P.O. Box 276, Carrollton, MO 64633-0276 Aug67@att.net [primary email - normally checked daily] LCBK@juno.com [back-up email - usually checked weekly]

25 September 2001 I have, for a long time, shown my Gillie McMURRY (1866-1914) as the d/o a Frank McMURRY (born ca 1840 in Robertson County,TN). Today I received, from a fellow researcher, the information on 'a' Gillie McMURRY who was living in Decatur, Rhea County,TN, with her parents, in 1880 and was 14 years old. This Gillie's father was not Frank McMURRY, but was T.W. McMURRY (age 49 years). According to a family book entitled, "The Battle BOOK", my Gillie's mother was Annette or Amanda PITT who was the w/o Frank McMURRY. I am now left wondering, until I can find more information. Leslie (Bridges) Kohler P.O. Box 8137, Glendale, AZ 85312-8137 P.O. Box 276, Carrollton, MO 64633-0276 Aug67@att.net [primary email - normally checked daily] LCBK@juno.com [back-up email - usually checked weekly]

Hello Will (and ALL): "THE BATTLE BOOK" is a family book written about the BATTLE / BATTLESON family... from which I descend. The FHC libraries have it on film, and some of my family members have their own, original copies of the book. I've known of Gillie McMURRY most of my life due to my family's oral hertiage (which I heard often). I've not ascertained, yet, if she had a more formal, given name. She had a sister named Florence, and one of my cousins was named for this sister (to whom this cousin has a 2nd relationship). I do not yet have dates for Florence. I am sending a copy of this to the McMURRY & McMURRAY lists, so that we will have it in the archives. The reason? I had a crash of sorts this summer and lost a lot of information. I want a third place to find whatever I might, someday, lose. Leslie (Bridges) Kohler P.O. Box 8137, Glendale, AZ 85312-8137 P.O. Box 276, Carrollton, MO 64633-0276 Aug67@att.net [primary email - normally checked daily] LCBK@juno.com [back-up email - normally checked weekly] ----- Original Message ----- What is the "Battle BooK"? Is there another way "Gillie McMurry" would be listed? I don't find her in the 1880 census for Robertson Co. I am kin to some of the McMurry's that were in Robertson Co. Will Jones

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I would also like to know where to get the book on the McMurry's. Thanks for any help. Edna Elchron@aol.com

Okay McMurrys.... I am tracing the McMurry line and would like to know if there is a general migration path that anyone has put together. My husband's great grandfather, James Samuel McMurry was born in Arkansas in 1872. It is believed that his father is William..but I have yet to find that documented. William's name was given to me by another McMurry researcher that had visited with another McMurry that past that info on to him. The info siad that William was a lst Lt under General Sterling Price. I have also read that this William was probably born in Arkansas around 1840. Any way...if someone knows where the McMurrys in Arkansas came from that might give me another lead. These McMurrys eventually ended up in Fannin County Texas...but again....apparently there are two McMurry families from Fannin County but the connection has not been made between the two families. Thanks to anyone that can shed some light on the migration of the McMurrys. Donna McMurry

I wondered if any of you attended the Scott County McMurray reunion on the 5th of August....Would love to hear about it. Lisa

Here is one that needs to be passed on to the lists. Leslie - List Founder & Coordinator ----- Original Message ----- From: <PGDavis47@hotmail.com> To: <MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 8:02 PM Subject: {not a subscriber} McMurry's of Parsons Tennessee > My grandfather was Travis McCall McMurry, my grandparents were Mary Caroline and Travis McMurry,grandpa had two brothers that did live in the area John and Dolph, he had others that I don't know. Would appreciate any information. My email is PGDavis47@hotmail.com > My grandfather married Vada Box

Michael, your work has already been advertised on the "Scotch Irish" List on Roots Web, a genealogy organization. You might want to join the list and provide updates to obtain their help in gathering information. The list is big, consisting primarily of Americans searching for their roots in Ireland and Scotland. That's how I was advised of your work. Take a look at the Roots Web site (www.rootsweb.com) for other lists that may interest you. In the meantime, I'll send this message as a "Cc" to the McMurray/McMurry research group to see if anyone would like to participate in your program. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: Roe, Micheal [mailto:mroe@spu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:54 AM To: 'Don McMurray' Subject: RE: Scots-Irish study Many thanks Don. I will send a packet of materials within the next two to three weeks. By the way, since we are using a network sampling technique, would you be willing to help us locate Scots-Irish participants in your circles? Any family, friends, and/or acquaintances with Scots-Irish roots who you think would be interested in participating? All the best. Micheal. Mícheál D. Roe, Ph.D. Professor and Chair Department of Psychology 3307 3rd Avenue West Seattle Pacific University Seattle, WA 98119 U.S.A. Phone: (206) 281-2252 Fax: (206) 281-2771 <mailto:mroe@spu.edu> http://www.spu.edu/depts/pfc/psychology -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 6:51 AM To: Michael D. Roe Ph.D. Subject: Scots-Irish study Dear Dr. Roe: I was advised of your research and will be happy to participate in the study. My ancestors were among the earliest Scots to migrate from Scotland to Ulster, probably to County Down, in 1606. This was the first successful "plantation" in Ulster which preceded King James's "Great Plantation of Ulster" in 1611. Please let me know how I can help. Best regards, Don Shannon, Pam & Don McMurray The Norris House Inn & Stone House Tea Room (www.norrishouse.com) Thomas Birkby House - A Meeting Place (www.birkbyhouse.com) 108-9 Loudoun St., SW, Leesburg, VA 20175 Tel. NHI: 703.777.1806 E-mail: don@norrishouse.com Tel. TBH: 703.779.2933 E-mail: info@birkbyhouse.com Fax: 703.771.8051

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Hi, haven't posted in a while and thought I might try again. I'm looking for the parents of JOHN4 MCMURRAY, born February 08, 1841 in Virginia, and died August 13, 1896. He married ANNA ELIZABETH BROWN November 1861, daughter of SEWALL BROWN and MARY RILEY. She was born December 23, 1840 in Brandon, Mississippi, and died January 31, 1918 in Denton, Texas. Children of JOHN MCMURRAY and ANNA BROWN are: i. MARIE5 MCMURRAY, m. A. B. DRAKE. ii. SEWELL BROWN MCMURRAY. iii. FRANCES MCMURRAY, m. G. T. HENING. iv. ELLA MCMURRAY, b. Denton, Texas; m. EDGAR KELLY. v. ANNA MCMURRAY, m. A. O. COLEMAN. vi. JESSIE S. MCMURRAY, b. February 10, 1868, Denton Co., Texas; d. December 14, 1955, Dallas, Dallas, Texas; m. HENRY LAWRENCE COOK, November 24, 1886, Denton, Texas; b. March 13, 1863, St. Louis, Missouri; d. January 02, 1925, Dallas, Dallas, Texas. I have a picture of Hiram McMurray, treasurer of Denton Co., Texas and brother to John with a mention of sister Jane McClain and cousin Molly. Does anyone have this line? I'd be happy to share info. John McMurray was my gggrandfather. Darla

Further to the Gaelic: O Muireadhaigh: This family name was originally in Ireland and it was found in the old Province of Galloway by the 9th or 10th century. This family shouldn't be confused with the Murraymen and MacMurraymen of the old Province of Moray (centered about where Inverness is now located). The only connection is that these families all had Celtic roots. The Scoti, from which Scotland derives its name, are a Celtic tribe that populated the Highlands. The Celtic tribes that populated the old Galloway area came across the narrow passage between Ireland and Scotland. The problem for researchers arises when looking for Murraymen and MacMurraymen after the 10th century. By 1160, the Highland Murray (and MacMurray) families had been scattered around Scotland after their defeat in Moray by King Malcolm IV's army. Some Murray families and some MacMurray families were transported to the Galloway area after the king's army routed in the same year, 1160, the Celtic lord of Galloway. The result was these Murray and MacMurray families became assimilated into the lowlands and were recruited in 1606 as "lowlanders" to emigrate to County Down in Ulster. The only reason I bring this up is to point out the fact that Scottish Murray and MacMurray families were a part of the "plantation" of Down and a portion of Antrim in 1606. This early movement of Scots, and exclusively Scots, was the first successful settlement in Ulster and was a "plantation" that preceded King James's "Great Plantation of Ulster" in 1611. The king's efforts included the recruitment of Englishmen and Scotsmen and their settlements took place in all the counties of Ulster except in Down and Antrim which was already populated with Scotsmen. As can be seen, the defeat and scattering of the Moraymen in 1160 was ultimately most fortunate for us. It provided a means of transportation to the lowlands and allowed our Murray and MacMurray ancestors to become a part of the lowland landscape for several hundred years. Otherwise, they would never have been allowed to emigrate to Ulster in 1606. By the edict of Queen Elizabeth and later by King James, "no Highlanders or 'mere Irish'" were to be recruited and "planted" in Ulster. Both were considered un-manageable riff-raff. So the emigration to Ulster by the O Muireadhaigh (Murray) families in the lowlands would not have been possible unless they had long ago renounced their religion and their ancestry. Regards, Don McMurray -----Original Message----- From: McMurry [mailto:eagle4@airmail.net] Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 10:52 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] McMurry Name Here is an article I found in my files on the McMurry name. I thought you might like a copy to put in your files. Murray Gaelic: O Muireadhaigh Common variations: Murry, O'Murry, MacMurry Most of the Murrays in Ireland come from Ulster and most of these are of Scottish descent. There were, however, several native Irish septs called O Muireadhaigh whose name was anglicized Murray. The most important of these was a Ui Maine sept in the barony of Athlone (Co. Roscommon). The name MacMurray is very common in Co. Donegal after the MacMuireadhaigh sept which was situated there. Sometimes the Gaelic name Mac Giolla Mhuire becomes Murray in English as an abbrieviation of MacIlmurray. The usual anglicezed form of this name, however, is Gilmore. Another article: To explain the Mac, Mc, M'..... "Mac," Gaelic for "son," is the most common element of Scotish surnames. "Mc" is always an abbreviation of "Mac." It also used to be abbreviated as "M," although this spelling is now not common. In an early book on Highland music, the author spelled his own name three different ways on the first two pages: "MacDonald," "McDonald," and "M'Donald." Blacks, The Surnames of Scotland and MacLysaght's The Surnames of Ireland, both treat "Mac" the same way as the only and original spelling. The same approach is used here. "Mac" is always considered an addition to a name. Before there was a "Donald's Son" there was a "Donald." In Scotland, names beginning with "Mac" are traditionally alphabetized under the first letter of the second name- "MacAlister" under "A." "MacZink" under "Z." After 1745, to avoid reprisals, many Scots anglicized their names by dropping the "Mac." They sometimes did so as they emigrated (were cleared off the land). "MacBall" simply became "Ball." Nova Scotia's Kinzie River was setted byt the MacKenzies. "Mac" takes a variety of pronunciations. In Islay Gaelic, "mac" is pronounced like "mek." In the United States, it can be heard as "mick." Preceding a "k" or "g" sound, the final "K" of "Mac" disappears. It becamed the practice of the south of Scotland to write two words as one (MacHan as Machan; MacGrath as Magrath). The "k" sound of "Mac" is duplicated and attached to the front of a following word if it begins with a vowel such as "MacAsh" to "MacCash." This may explain why some "MacArthurs" hear them selves called "MacCarthers." If the second name begins with a "k" or "g" creating two "k" sounds together, one may disappear ("MacKintosh" to "Macintosh" or "MacKaskill" to "MacAskill.") "Mac" at times is pronounced as "Muck" and written that way as in "Mac'll Roy" to "Muckleroy." Just some interesting info I wanted to share with those that might be interested. Donna McMurry ==== MCMURRY Mailing List ==== Post your McMURRY Deeds at the following URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/m/c/MCMURRY/deeds

Here is an article I found in my files on the McMurry name. I thought you might like a copy to put in your files. Murray Gaelic: O Muireadhaigh Common variations: Murry, O'Murry, MacMurry Most of the Murrays in Ireland come from Ulster and most of these are of Scottish descent. There were, however, several native Irish septs called O Muireadhaigh whose name was anglicized Murray. The most important of these was a Ui Maine sept in the barony of Athlone (Co. Roscommon). The name MacMurray is very common in Co. Donegal after the MacMuireadhaigh sept which was situated there. Sometimes the Gaelic name Mac Giolla Mhuire becomes Murray in English as an abbrieviation of MacIlmurray. The usual anglicezed form of this name, however, is Gilmore. Another article: To explain the Mac, Mc, M'..... "Mac," Gaelic for "son," is the most common element of Scotish surnames. "Mc" is always an abbreviation of "Mac." It also used to be abbreviated as "M," although this spelling is now not common. In an early book on Highland music, the author spelled his own name three different ways on the first two pages: "MacDonald," "McDonald," and "M'Donald." Blacks, The Surnames of Scotland and MacLysaght's The Surnames of Ireland, both treat "Mac" the same way as the only and original spelling. The same approach is used here. "Mac" is always considered an addition to a name. Before there was a "Donald's Son" there was a "Donald." In Scotland, names beginning with "Mac" are traditionally alphabetized under the first letter of the second name- "MacAlister" under "A." "MacZink" under "Z." After 1745, to avoid reprisals, many Scots anglicized their names by dropping the "Mac." They sometimes did so as they emigrated (were cleared off the land). "MacBall" simply became "Ball." Nova Scotia's Kinzie River was setted byt the MacKenzies. "Mac" takes a variety of pronunciations. In Islay Gaelic, "mac" is pronounced like "mek." In the United States, it can be heard as "mick." Preceding a "k" or "g" sound, the final "K" of "Mac" disappears. It becamed the practice of the south of Scotland to write two words as one (MacHan as Machan; MacGrath as Magrath). The "k" sound of "Mac" is duplicated and attached to the front of a following word if it begins with a vowel such as "MacAsh" to "MacCash." This may explain why some "MacArthurs" hear them selves called "MacCarthers." If the second name begins with a "k" or "g" creating two "k" sounds together, one may disappear ("MacKintosh" to "Macintosh" or "MacKaskill" to "MacAskill.") "Mac" at times is pronounced as "Muck" and written that way as in "Mac'll Roy" to "Muckleroy." Just some interesting info I wanted to share with those that might be interested. Donna McMurry ==== MCMURRY Mailing List ==== Post your McMURRY Deeds at the following URL: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/m/c/MCMURRY/deeds

Below is the James Samuel I am looking for. Now according to a Loy McMurry, James Samuel or Jim's father was William McMurry who served under Gen. Sterling Price. I have not yet been able to find that as documented info, but am presently researching that direction. I have found numerous James, Williams and Samuel McMurrys. I think they must have really liked those names. (James' wife Betty is Alice Elizabth Biggerstaff.) Census:1900 Fannin Co Tx-Prec #4 #286/286 Line 85 Jim S.McMurry 28 Ar 1872 Ar, Bettie Mar 1875 25, Obie Nov 1893 6, Roy W. Nov 1897 2, Tra (d) Mar 1899 1 Jim & Bettie been married 6 years & have 3 children 3 living 1910 Fannin Co Tx- Near Gober part of Prec #4 #319/324 James S. McMurry 39 Ar, Betty wife 36Tx, O...W. 15Tx, Wyatt 13 Tx, T... (d)11Tx, Dedie L. (d)8nTx, Arnel L. (s)4Tx, James S. Jr. 2 Tx, _______son 4/12 Tx.( This is my husbands grandfather Cleo) James & Betty been married 16 years & Have 8 children 7 living

Here is an article I found in my files on the McMurry name. I thought you might like a copy to put in your files. Murray Gaelic: O Muireadhaigh Common variations: Murry, O'Murry, MacMurry Most of the Murrays in Ireland come from Ulster and most of these are of Scottish descent. There were, however, several native Irish septs called O Muireadhaigh whose name was anglicized Murray. The most important of these was a Ui Maine sept in the barony of Athlone (Co. Roscommon). The name MacMurray is very common in Co. Donegal after the MacMuireadhaigh sept which was situated there. Sometimes the Gaelic name Mac Giolla Mhuire becomes Murray in English as an abbrieviation of MacIlmurray. The usual anglicezed form of this name, however, is Gilmore. Another article: To explain the Mac, Mc, M'..... "Mac," Gaelic for "son," is the most common element of Scotish surnames. "Mc" is always an abbreviation of "Mac." It also used to be abbreviated as "M," although this spelling is now not common. In an early book on Highland music, the author spelled his own name three different ways on the first two pages: "MacDonald," "McDonald," and "M'Donald." Blacks, The Surnames of Scotland and MacLysaght's The Surnames of Ireland, both treat "Mac" the same way as the only and original spelling. The same approach is used here. "Mac" is always considered an addition to a name. Before there was a "Donald's Son" there was a "Donald." In Scotland, names beginning with "Mac" are traditionally alphabetized under the first letter of the second name- "MacAlister" under "A." "MacZink" under "Z." After 1745, to avoid reprisals, many Scots anglicized their names by dropping the "Mac." They sometimes did so as they emigrated (were cleared off the land). "MacBall" simply became "Ball." Nova Scotia's Kinzie River was setted byt the MacKenzies. "Mac" takes a variety of pronunciations. In Islay Gaelic, "mac" is pronounced like "mek." In the United States, it can be heard as "mick." Preceding a "k" or "g" sound, the final "K" of "Mac" disappears. It becamed the practice of the south of Scotland to write two words as one (MacHan as Machan; MacGrath as Magrath). The "k" sound of "Mac" is duplicated and attached to the front of a following word if it begins with a vowel such as "MacAsh" to "MacCash." This may explain why some "MacArthurs" hear them selves called "MacCarthers." If the second name begins with a "k" or "g" creating two "k" sounds together, one may disappear ("MacKintosh" to "Macintosh" or "MacKaskill" to "MacAskill.") "Mac" at times is pronounced as "Muck" and written that way as in "Mac'll Roy" to "Muckleroy." Just some interesting info I wanted to share with those that might be interested. Donna McMurry

Hi Ben, I had forgotten that you are a descendant of Samuel & Margaret McMurry. Have you ever discovered why Margaret had the same surname as Samuel? Is she a widow of another McMurry or a daughter of one? And do you know how or why Samuel & Margaret moved from Granville Co., N.C. , close to the Virginia border down to Rutherford Co., N.C.? My reason for asking is there are several researchers trying to connect the McMurrays, including a Samuel in Scott Co., Va. and Sullivan Co., Tenn. just over the Scot Co. and state line of Va. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: Robert Davis [mailto:rdav1759@bellsouth.net] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 10:29 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McMurry] North Carolina Mcmurry BCalla6711@aol.com wrote: > Bob, > I have info on the family of BY McMurray. He was the son of John McMurray > and Peggy Smith. I have the 8 children you listed and some info on their > families. I am a descendant of Samuel & Margaret McMurray. Samuel was the > brother of BY's grandfather, William McMurray. I have been trying for a long > time to gather more info on the Rutherford/Cleveland Co. NC McMurrays and > would love to share info. You can reach me at bcalla6711@aol.com. > Ben Callahan > > ==== MCMURRY Mailing List ==== > Post your McMURRY, Pension Information at the following URL: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/m/c/MCMURRY/pensions ______________________________

I was a little confused by your message. I got excited to see Samuel and Elizabeth together. When was this Samuel Jr. born and when did he die? As I have explained previously my Samuel, born in Sullivan Co TN in 1786 was the only McMurry in the Scott Co. VA area in the early 1800's and all of the others came through him. He died 6 Nov 1858 and his death record shows his parents as Samuel and Elizabeth. He was never refered to as a jr. but since his father had that name he could have been. I would love to be able to identify his parents and siblings and where ther lived and went. My Samuel married Jane Ramey belived to be the daughter of Jeremiah Ramey. I am still hoping that this will tie in with one of you out ther. Lisa In a message dated 7/14/01 9:47:03 PM Central Daylight Time, LHallstrom@aol.com writes: << n a message dated 7/14/2001 12:33:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CRoy1238@aol.com writes: > I also would like to know where Andrew, John, Samuel Jr. and > I believe that Samuel McMurry, Jr. migrated to Robertson Co., Tn with his wife Elizabeth Huddleston. They wer married in Rutherford Co., and he enlisted in the Rev War from Rutherford Co., NC, and his widow filed a for a pension about 1850 in Robertson Co. Other McMurrys in the Rutherford Co., NC area had sons named Samuel: William in Rutherford Co named a son Samuel in his will of 1811 Robert in Cabarrus Co. (owned land in Rutherford Co.) named a son Samuel in his will of 1800. He had a daughter Jane Morrow McMurry b. abt 1783. The son of William appears to be younger than Samuel, Jr., and too young to be in the Rev War. The son of Robert had a son Samuel who appears to have stayed in the area. So by process of elimination, I have concluded that Samuel, Jr., son of Samuel McMurry and Margaret, migrated to Robertson Co., I have NOT found your James McMurry/Murry in Robertson Co., so I doubt if they migraged together. Larry Hallstrom >>

In a message dated 7/14/2001 12:33:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, CRoy1238@aol.com writes: > I also would like to know where Andrew, John, Samuel Jr. and > I believe that Samuel McMurry, Jr. migrated to Robertson Co., Tn with his wife Elizabeth Huddleston. They wer married in Rutherford Co., and he enlisted in the Rev War from Rutherford Co., NC, and his widow filed a for a pension about 1850 in Robertson Co. Other McMurrys in the Rutherford Co., NC area had sons named Samuel: William in Rutherford Co named a son Samuel in his will of 1811 Robert in Cabarrus Co. (owned land in Rutherford Co.) named a son Samuel in his will of 1800. He had a daughter Jane Morrow McMurry b. abt 1783. The son of William appears to be younger than Samuel, Jr., and too young to be in the Rev War. The son of Robert had a son Samuel who appears to have stayed in the area. So by process of elimination, I have concluded that Samuel, Jr., son of Samuel McMurry and Margaret, migrated to Robertson Co., I have NOT found your James McMurry/Murry in Robertson Co., so I doubt if they migraged together. Larry Hallstrom