Don, If I use the Sottish naming patterns to try to track my Thomas who was in Blount AL, his son Robert named his first son John. That may mean that his father's name was John Thomas. This is the Thomas none of us seem to be able to trace back beyond him. Have you ever run across a John Thomas born about 1785 in NC or TN. Thomas named his first son Samuel and his second son Robert. They may not have followed the pattern because Robert did not name any son after his wifes father. I am beginning to think we will never trace this Thomas McMurry. Beth McMurry Clarke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don McMurray" <don@norrishouse.com> To: <MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book > Michelle, there are several books on the Scottish naming pattern, one > excellent book is "Albion's Seed" by David Fischer (sp?). Another good > reference book is Eyre-Todd's "The Highland Clans of Scotland." > Essentially what they say about naming children is that the family's given > names were all-important, surnames came along relatively late in the game. > So it was essential for the given names to be honored, protected, and > repeated in a set way. Even to the point of re-using a special given name > in the event of the death of a child (this could through things off a bit). > This occurred in my family from the very beginning in the Highlands of > Scotland to America in the mid-1800's. > > Here's the "naming way" for boys, first son named after the paternal > father, second son named after the maternal father, third son named after > the father, fourth son named after a brother or honored uncle, and so on. > For girls it was reversed, first daughter named after the maternal mother, > second daughter named after the paternal mother, third daughter named after > the mother, fourth daughter named after a sister or honored aunt, and so on. > > Regards, Don > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle McMurray de Luces [mailto:smcmurray@nc.rr.com] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 5:02 PM > To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book > > > Thanks for the information Don! > > I have never heard of the Scot's "naming way" until now. Is it a book? > > My grandmother says her family bible states my Thomas "E.T." McMurray was > born about 1785 in NC. That makes Thomas number one more of a fit. Maybe > he was born there, then moved to Kentucky. > > I may need some help on this. Just keep your eyes open for any Thomas > McMurrays born about 1780 on. > > Thank you everyone! > > Michelle McMurray > > -----Original Message----- > From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] > Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:38 PM > To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book > > > Michelle, Thomas McMurray, son of William (son of William the Elder) was the > first of the siblings to move to Ky. Interestingly, and I have never found > out why, he settled in and died in Crab Orchard, Lincoln Co., Ky. This > wasn't too far from where the other siblings settled in 1789 on Thomas's > brother, John's 1,000 acre claim on the Rolling fork near what is now > Bradfordsville, Ky. > > The men you should consider for your Thomas McMurray's father are the > brothers, John (the oldest), James (my ancestor), and Thomas of Crab > Orchard, Ky. Another brother, Robert left the Shenandoah Valley of Va. > (near where I now live) in 1811 to join the McMurray siblings (John, James, > and their two married sisters) on the Rolling fork but Robert didn't have a > son named Thomas. > > 1) Jane & James McMurray's son, Thomas was born circa 1794. The date is > based on an 1815 Tax List in which this Thomas is listed in James's > household as a "White male above 21." I know that Thomas is Jane & James's > son because he and his brother, William (my ancestor), served together in > the same outfit in 1814 at the Battle of New Orleans (as did several other > McMurray cousins in other outfits). As you know, militia companies were > formed in specific areas of a county. I have no information who Thomas > married if, in fact, he did marry. > > 2) Christina & Thomas McMurray's son, Thomas was born about 1795, nothing > else is known about him as far as I know. > > 3) Elizabeth & John McMurray's son, Thomas was born 19 June 1806. He > married a Rebecca Pettus 1/24/1828. There is a lot of information on his > family. > > As you can see, your best bets, depending on the age issue, are No's 1) and > 2). Since nothing is known about these two sons named Thomas you may hit > pay dirt. It will take someone like you to move back in time to identify > your Thomas as a son of one of the McMurray men. Are you familiar with the > Scot's "naming way"? It helped me a great deal when I traced my William to > his birth location on the Rolling fork. At that time, there were eight men > in Va., Ky. & Tenn. named William McMurray. I had to trace every one of > these men named William until I found my guy. > > Good hunting and let me know if I can help. > > Don > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle McMurray de Luces [mailto:smcmurray@nc.rr.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:37 PM > To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book > > > Hi Don, > > That is quite a story! Thank you for taking the time to help others with > your knowledge. > > I am wondering if the Thomas (brother of John)you mentioned is the Thomas I > am looking for. The only info I have is Thomas E. T.? McMurray having lived > in Kentucky or Illinois. He married a woman named "Mary." I have no date > of births for these folks. I know that my Thomas was probably born around > the late 1700's. Your Thomas may be too old to be the same guy. Tom & Mary > bore a son named Huston (Houston?)Gillespie McMurray around 1825. > > It makes me wonder how in the world I'm going to find out since no one kept > any records that are still with us. > > Michelle McMurray > > ______________________________ > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <BCalla6711@aol.com> To: <MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 2:42 PM Subject: Re: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book > John appears to have gone to Georgia. What sort of documentation is presented that John went to Georgia? Any idea where in Georgia? Thanks, Elisabeth

What I meant was "BEFORE" not past 1850's. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle McMurray de Luces [mailto:smcmurray@nc.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 2:09 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Don-Samuel McMurry of TN/VA My grandfather tells me that somewhere down the line, our name McMurray was originally MacMurray. I'm not sure at what point in time, but it would be interesting to find out and may help alot of us out there. Does anyone have McMurray/McMurray/MacMurray relatives researched past 1750s yet? I am just curious since I am stuck on Thomas E.T. McMurray around 1785. It made me wonder if we are all having the same problem with time period. Michelle McMurray -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:42 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Don-Samuel McMurry of TN/VA Lisa, several researchers have tried to discover the ancestors of the McMurray/McMurry men in Washington Co., Va. I'm pretty sure there is a connection for them. This because in 1782 John and Thomas McMurray, sons of William (son of William the Elder) were in Washington Co., Va. I think it was because their aunt, their father's sister, was there. She and her husband settled in the county after their marriage in Botetourt Co., Va.. Their farm was probably a good stopping-off place for John and Thomas between treks from home (on the Cowpasture River) back and forth to Ky. or N.C. Thomas was by then ready to move to Ky. permanently because in the same year, 1782, he had moved to Lincoln Co., Ky. Incidentally, I may have mentioned this before, don't put too much emphasis on the McMurray vs. McMurry names. It was usually the fault of enumerators and our gang could care less about their surname. Given names were all-important in those days. Several family groups of our McMurrays eventually became McMurrys. My direct line are the only ones to hold onto McMurray and a couple of them even went back to MacMurray. I've considered this but it would be too much work. TTYL, Don -----Original Message----- From: FP4SALE@aol.com [mailto:FP4SALE@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:31 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] Don-Samuel McMurry of TN/VA I enjoyed reading your McMurray info, but still can't tie it in with mine. My Samuel McMurry was born in Sullivan Co. TN about 1786 He was the son of Smauel and Elizabeth McMurray. He married Jane Ramey in about 1808 in what was probably then Washington CO VA. I have the following children: John, my ancestor born 1809 and married Edna Grizzle in 1831, Elizabeth, Joseph who had a son named Sanuel born 1866, the only other Samuel in this line, Sarh "Sally", Robert, Emaline, James, Ellijah J., Eliza Jane, Mary Jane. They resided in Scott CO Va. Samuel passed away November 6th, 1858 and his parents are listed on his death certificate. I believe that all of the Scott Co McMurrys decended from them. Do you have any more clues for me? WIth the name Samuel, and the location, I was hoping they tie in some how. If not, I would like to know where he came from. Thanks, Lisa Stephenson ______________________________

My grandfather tells me that somewhere down the line, our name McMurray was originally MacMurray. I'm not sure at what point in time, but it would be interesting to find out and may help alot of us out there. Does anyone have McMurray/McMurray/MacMurray relatives researched past 1750s yet? I am just curious since I am stuck on Thomas E.T. McMurray around 1785. It made me wonder if we are all having the same problem with time period. Michelle McMurray -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 6:42 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] Don-Samuel McMurry of TN/VA Lisa, several researchers have tried to discover the ancestors of the McMurray/McMurry men in Washington Co., Va. I'm pretty sure there is a connection for them. This because in 1782 John and Thomas McMurray, sons of William (son of William the Elder) were in Washington Co., Va. I think it was because their aunt, their father's sister, was there. She and her husband settled in the county after their marriage in Botetourt Co., Va.. Their farm was probably a good stopping-off place for John and Thomas between treks from home (on the Cowpasture River) back and forth to Ky. or N.C. Thomas was by then ready to move to Ky. permanently because in the same year, 1782, he had moved to Lincoln Co., Ky. Incidentally, I may have mentioned this before, don't put too much emphasis on the McMurray vs. McMurry names. It was usually the fault of enumerators and our gang could care less about their surname. Given names were all-important in those days. Several family groups of our McMurrays eventually became McMurrys. My direct line are the only ones to hold onto McMurray and a couple of them even went back to MacMurray. I've considered this but it would be too much work. TTYL, Don -----Original Message----- From: FP4SALE@aol.com [mailto:FP4SALE@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:31 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] Don-Samuel McMurry of TN/VA I enjoyed reading your McMurray info, but still can't tie it in with mine. My Samuel McMurry was born in Sullivan Co. TN about 1786 He was the son of Smauel and Elizabeth McMurray. He married Jane Ramey in about 1808 in what was probably then Washington CO VA. I have the following children: John, my ancestor born 1809 and married Edna Grizzle in 1831, Elizabeth, Joseph who had a son named Sanuel born 1866, the only other Samuel in this line, Sarh "Sally", Robert, Emaline, James, Ellijah J., Eliza Jane, Mary Jane. They resided in Scott CO Va. Samuel passed away November 6th, 1858 and his parents are listed on his death certificate. I believe that all of the Scott Co McMurrys decended from them. Do you have any more clues for me? WIth the name Samuel, and the location, I was hoping they tie in some how. If not, I would like to know where he came from. Thanks, Lisa Stephenson ______________________________

Typical McMurray, always chasing the girls, right? You're right about "McMurry Family," interesting but full of nonsense until, perhaps, the later generations. Thanks for the info, Don -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Barker [mailto:Sarahbarker@sprintmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 4:21 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book Don - Sometimes the simplest answer is the obvious one - Crab Orchard is where Catherine Robinson and her family were. Catherine's grandfather, John Miller, moved his family to Lincoln County in 1779. Whether Thomas and Catherine were acquainted back in Augusta County is still open to question, but entirely possible. At any rate, Thomas would have had to wait a few years for Catherine to become old enough to marry - and even then she needed her mother's permission! Marilyn Bone's book contains some utter nonsense about Catherine being "lost" to the family, etc., but that tale is off by a generation. The one who was "lost" was Catherine's aunt, Elizabeth Miller, who married Zachariah Isbell and remained behind in Virginia, much to her family's dismay. Sally Don McMurray wrote: > > Michelle, Thomas McMurray, son of William (son of William the Elder) was the > first of the siblings to move to Ky. Interestingly, and I have never found > out why, he settled in and died in Crab Orchard, Lincoln Co., Ky. This > wasn't too far from where the other siblings settled in 1789 on Thomas's > brother, John's 1,000 acre claim on the Rolling fork near what is now > Bradfordsville, Ky. ______________________________

Michelle, there are several books on the Scottish naming pattern, one excellent book is "Albion's Seed" by David Fischer (sp?). Another good reference book is Eyre-Todd's "The Highland Clans of Scotland." Essentially what they say about naming children is that the family's given names were all-important, surnames came along relatively late in the game. So it was essential for the given names to be honored, protected, and repeated in a set way. Even to the point of re-using a special given name in the event of the death of a child (this could through things off a bit). This occurred in my family from the very beginning in the Highlands of Scotland to America in the mid-1800's. Here's the "naming way" for boys, first son named after the paternal father, second son named after the maternal father, third son named after the father, fourth son named after a brother or honored uncle, and so on. For girls it was reversed, first daughter named after the maternal mother, second daughter named after the paternal mother, third daughter named after the mother, fourth daughter named after a sister or honored aunt, and so on. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: Michelle McMurray de Luces [mailto:smcmurray@nc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 5:02 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book Thanks for the information Don! I have never heard of the Scot's "naming way" until now. Is it a book? My grandmother says her family bible states my Thomas "E.T." McMurray was born about 1785 in NC. That makes Thomas number one more of a fit. Maybe he was born there, then moved to Kentucky. I may need some help on this. Just keep your eyes open for any Thomas McMurrays born about 1780 on. Thank you everyone! Michelle McMurray -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:38 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book Michelle, Thomas McMurray, son of William (son of William the Elder) was the first of the siblings to move to Ky. Interestingly, and I have never found out why, he settled in and died in Crab Orchard, Lincoln Co., Ky. This wasn't too far from where the other siblings settled in 1789 on Thomas's brother, John's 1,000 acre claim on the Rolling fork near what is now Bradfordsville, Ky. The men you should consider for your Thomas McMurray's father are the brothers, John (the oldest), James (my ancestor), and Thomas of Crab Orchard, Ky. Another brother, Robert left the Shenandoah Valley of Va. (near where I now live) in 1811 to join the McMurray siblings (John, James, and their two married sisters) on the Rolling fork but Robert didn't have a son named Thomas. 1) Jane & James McMurray's son, Thomas was born circa 1794. The date is based on an 1815 Tax List in which this Thomas is listed in James's household as a "White male above 21." I know that Thomas is Jane & James's son because he and his brother, William (my ancestor), served together in the same outfit in 1814 at the Battle of New Orleans (as did several other McMurray cousins in other outfits). As you know, militia companies were formed in specific areas of a county. I have no information who Thomas married if, in fact, he did marry. 2) Christina & Thomas McMurray's son, Thomas was born about 1795, nothing else is known about him as far as I know. 3) Elizabeth & John McMurray's son, Thomas was born 19 June 1806. He married a Rebecca Pettus 1/24/1828. There is a lot of information on his family. As you can see, your best bets, depending on the age issue, are No's 1) and 2). Since nothing is known about these two sons named Thomas you may hit pay dirt. It will take someone like you to move back in time to identify your Thomas as a son of one of the McMurray men. Are you familiar with the Scot's "naming way"? It helped me a great deal when I traced my William to his birth location on the Rolling fork. At that time, there were eight men in Va., Ky. & Tenn. named William McMurray. I had to trace every one of these men named William until I found my guy. Good hunting and let me know if I can help. Don -----Original Message----- From: Michelle McMurray de Luces [mailto:smcmurray@nc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:37 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book Hi Don, That is quite a story! Thank you for taking the time to help others with your knowledge. I am wondering if the Thomas (brother of John)you mentioned is the Thomas I am looking for. The only info I have is Thomas E. T.? McMurray having lived in Kentucky or Illinois. He married a woman named "Mary." I have no date of births for these folks. I know that my Thomas was probably born around the late 1700's. Your Thomas may be too old to be the same guy. Tom & Mary bore a son named Huston (Houston?)Gillespie McMurray around 1825. It makes me wonder how in the world I'm going to find out since no one kept any records that are still with us. Michelle McMurray ______________________________

Hi Ben, my name is not Don Norris, it's Don McMurray, a proud Ulster Scot. And the move by Thomas McMurray to N.C. took place in 1758. Incidentally, Thomas is the brother of William McMurray, not his son. These men are two of the five sons that William the Elder brought to America from Ulster. I may have told you about the existence of the older William but for the benefit of others here is how it happened. For many years, the early McMurray/McMurry researchers had the following record: 19 Mar 1753, William McMurry petitions the Court for "exemption from levy on account of age" per Original Petitions & Papers filed in the County Court of Augusta Co., Va. (Chalkley, "Chronicles of Scotch-Irish Settlements in Virginia," Vol. 1, 430 & 441). Now, the above record can't be ignored as it seemed to be by earlier researchers. They maneuvered around it or ignored it and assumed that William McMurry (in Bone's McMurry Family), father of my ancestor James, was the man described in family history as the man who "brot his five sones over the briney deepe to America." The problem with this assumption is it is impossible for this William to have been old in 1753 and still serve in Morgan's Riflemen in the Revolutionary War. Not to mention the fact that James and his brothers and sisters were all born in America. William's petition "on account of age" is silent on the question of the reason for the petition, because of "youth" or "old age" (obvious at the time, right?). However, on the same day, 19 Mar 1753, a William McClain filed a similar petition "that he has grown very aged and to be relieved from County levy." So I was convinced of the existence of an older William McMurray. Finally, after a lot of review of new stuff and going back over the records already reviewed, I found the proof I needed and here it is: 22 Nov 1753, the Court grants "William McMurray's" ("McCurry's"*) March petition and states that he is "to be levy free on account of great age and infirmity" per Augusta County Court Order Book No. IV, page 68. (Kegley, "Kegley's Virginia Frontier. 103; *Chalkley, Ibid., 70). So there we have it, William the Elder was alive and kicking (barely) in 1753. And his son, William was one of the five sons that William the Elder brought to America from Ulster. Now Ben, it's your turn. I was surprised from your message below to learn that you have connected Margaret McMurray & Samuel McMurray, who married in Granville Co., to Thomas McMurray of Bedford Co., Va., son of William the Elder. How and where did you find this great bit of information? And how did you determine that Margaret was his cousin? Will you share the records with us? Hope things are going well for you. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: BCalla6711@aol.com [mailto:BCalla6711@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 3:42 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book Thomas McMurray, son of William was in Augusta Co. VA in 1750. Around 1755 he and his "family" moved into to NC and show up in Anson Co. (near SC) in 1762. The males listed with Thomas were Samuel, William, Robert, John & Edward. According to Don Norris, William and John were nephews, sons of Thomas' deceased brother, John. The other males, Samuel, Robert and Edward appear to be children of Thomas. Samuel, Robert and William moved from Anson (Mecklenburg) to Tryon Co. Robert came back to Mecklenburg and his homestead was in a part of Mecklenburg that later became Cabarrus. He attended Rocky River Presbyterian Church and is buried in one of the old cemeteries there. Samuel married his cousin, Margaret McMurray (apparent daughter of his uncle James) in Granville Co. in 1764 moved to Tryon. He died in Rutherford Co. NC testate. William married a Margaret also and died in Rutherford Co. testate (his land was in what later became Cleveland Co.) John appears to have gone to Georgia. Edward has not been traced. I have had very little success tracing the children of Samuel and William. One of Samuel's daughter's, Elizabeth, married my ancestor, Henry Callahan in Rutherford Co. They both died there. I have very limited info on some of the 10 other probable children of Samuel and Margaret. I have some info on only one child of William - John, married and remained in Rutherford/Cleveland and many descendants still reside there. I would love to share any info you might have. Please e-mail me directly at bcalla6711@aol.com Ben C ______________________________

Thomas McMurray, son of William the Elder, left Va. in 1758 and went to Anson Co., N.C. (the area is now a part of York Co., S.C.). He and a group of Ulster Scots from the Shenandoah Valley of Va. followed their minister, The Rev. Alexander Craighead, to safer climes after the defeat of Gen. Braddock in the French and Indian War. Thomas's farm, unfortunately, was right next to the Great Indian Warpath in the Shenandoah Valley (now Rt. 11). Not a good choice of land under the circumstances. Most of the rest of the family were a little east of Thomas up on the Cowpasture and they survived the onslaught of Indian raids. This Thomas eventually settled in Mecklenburg Co., N.C. I believe he is the ancestor of many of the McMurray families in the N.C. area. A note of caution, a second McMurray, possibly a relative, left Ulster and came to York Co., S.C. via Charleston. He tends to confuse the researchers working in that region. TTYL, Don -----Original Message----- From: CRoy1238@aol.com [mailto:CRoy1238@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 2:32 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book How do the Samuel , Thomas, William, and Robert McMurry of old Tryon Co. NC fit in with your group of McMurrys? Dates range from 1770 -1787 there abts. I find Samuel and William McMurry in Green Co. Tn. 1783 Tax List and some in Ala. abt 1812. How does Samuel McMurry who dies Rutherford co NC abt 1805 fit in? ______________________________

Lisa, several researchers have tried to discover the ancestors of the McMurray/McMurry men in Washington Co., Va. I'm pretty sure there is a connection for them. This because in 1782 John and Thomas McMurray, sons of William (son of William the Elder) were in Washington Co., Va. I think it was because their aunt, their father's sister, was there. She and her husband settled in the county after their marriage in Botetourt Co., Va.. Their farm was probably a good stopping-off place for John and Thomas between treks from home (on the Cowpasture River) back and forth to Ky. or N.C. Thomas was by then ready to move to Ky. permanently because in the same year, 1782, he had moved to Lincoln Co., Ky. Incidentally, I may have mentioned this before, don't put too much emphasis on the McMurray vs. McMurry names. It was usually the fault of enumerators and our gang could care less about their surname. Given names were all-important in those days. Several family groups of our McMurrays eventually became McMurrys. My direct line are the only ones to hold onto McMurray and a couple of them even went back to MacMurray. I've considered this but it would be too much work. TTYL, Don -----Original Message----- From: FP4SALE@aol.com [mailto:FP4SALE@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:31 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McMurry] Don-Samuel McMurry of TN/VA I enjoyed reading your McMurray info, but still can't tie it in with mine. My Samuel McMurry was born in Sullivan Co. TN about 1786 He was the son of Smauel and Elizabeth McMurray. He married Jane Ramey in about 1808 in what was probably then Washington CO VA. I have the following children: John, my ancestor born 1809 and married Edna Grizzle in 1831, Elizabeth, Joseph who had a son named Sanuel born 1866, the only other Samuel in this line, Sarh "Sally", Robert, Emaline, James, Ellijah J., Eliza Jane, Mary Jane. They resided in Scott CO Va. Samuel passed away November 6th, 1858 and his parents are listed on his death certificate. I believe that all of the Scott Co McMurrys decended from them. Do you have any more clues for me? WIth the name Samuel, and the location, I was hoping they tie in some how. If not, I would like to know where he came from. Thanks, Lisa Stephenson ______________________________

Hi Beth, This is my Robert McMurry, and I would like to have a copy of the 1812 papers you have. I will pay expenses. Robert McMurry was the son of Samuel McMurry and Elizabeth Huddleston. His parents were married in Rutherford Co., NC, and shortly after moved to Robertson Co., Tn., where they both died. Samuel McMurry was a vet of the Rev War, and his wife's Pension Application are in the Archives. I have a copy of his papers, one of which talks about his son Robert. Robert McMurry was born in Robertson Co., and married Jane Long. He had a brother, David, who married a Mary Unknown, and a sister, Elizabeth, who married a Richard Jones. Robert and Jane had a son Eli who married Octavia True, and this is my line. If you want more info on this Robert McMurry, please send me a private email with your needs. Larry

Leslie, I can try scanning it to see if it is readable. If so I will email if not I can mail it. I need to get some legal paper to copy as National Archives sent it on legal paper. Where was your Robert born? Did he have any brothers? I don't think he is related to my Thomas but I like to check everybody out. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leslie & Gary Kohler" <Aug67@att.net> To: <MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [McMurry] Robert McMurry 1812 pension > Beth, this is my Robert McMurry, and I'd dearly love to have a > copy of his pension record!! Robert was my GGGgrandfather. > I will be glad to pay expenses, if you will be sending it through > the USPS. Or, I can receive it at Aug67@att.net if you are > planning to scan it. THANKS. :-)) > > Leslie Bridges Kohler > P.O. Box 8137 > Glendale, AZ > 85312-8137 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Beth & Les Clarke" <bethnles@tampabay.rr.com> > > > I have a copy of an 1812 pension record for Robert McMurry. He was > > married to Jane Long and was living in Robertson Co. TN in 1850. He > > was 60 years old in 1855. If this fits for anyone I would be glad to send > > a copy. I would also like to know more about him. Anyone know this Robert? > > > > Beth McMurry Clarke > >

Beth, I have not searched any land records yet for Thomas E.T McMurray. I will though now that I have this tip. If you ever run into it again, please email me! Thank you! Michelle McMurray -----Original Message----- From: Beth & Les Clarke [mailto:bethnles@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 6:51 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book Michelle, Have you looked for your Thomas E.T. in Blount Co, TN. I remember seeing a land record there that mentioned a Thomas E.T. Another record said Thomas and E. T McMurrry. It might be worth a look. If I remember correctly it was after 1820. I have very little time to organize my records right now. Maybe next year when I quit work. Beth McMurry Clarke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle McMurray de Luces" <smcmurray@nc.rr.com> To: <MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book Hi Don, That is quite a story! Thank you for taking the time to help others with your knowledge. I am wondering if the Thomas (brother of John)you mentioned is the Thomas I am looking for. The only info I have is Thomas E. T.? McMurray having lived in Kentucky or Illinois. He married a woman named "Mary." I have no date of births for these folks. I know that my Thomas was probably born around the late 1700's. Your Thomas may be too old to be the same guy. Tom & Mary bore a son named Huston (Houston?)Gillespie McMurray around 1825. It makes me wonder how in the world I'm going to find out since no one kept any records that are still with us. Michelle McMurray -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:29 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book Hi Carol, sorry for the delay in this reply. Your asking for a ton of information. I've been working on our huge McMurray family since 1989 and only in the last five years have I cooled off doing research. Something about being an innkeeper has this kind of effect on doing genealogy. If you will indulge me, I'll concentrate on the McMurray men in Tenn. to allow for a shorter memo. We can go on from there once you connect to the family. I can provide the proofs of the information listed below as needed. Let me give you what I know and what I can prove about my McMurray family members who went to N.C. in 1780. And please allow me to continue to provide the information to you through this forum, it eliminates duplication and spreads the info over a larger group. I can document the move in 1780 by Samuel & William McMurray from Botetourt Co., Va. to N.C. (now Davidson Co., Tenn.). What I can't do for you is go much beyond that time and I'll explain this later. Now for the history on how Samuel and William arrived in N.C. As indicated in previous messages, in 1775 three McMurray cousins, John, son of William (son of William the Elder), and Samuel, son of Samuel (son of William the Elder) and William, son of one of the two fathers mentioned, made a trek to Ky. The three men claimed land in 1775-6 on the Rolling fork of the Salt River and then probably returned home to Va. in the spring or summer of 1776. These land claims are documented in a law suit that occurred when land-grabbers made duplicate claims on the McMurrays' (and many others') claims. The suit was settled in the McMurrays' favor under the auspices of a Virginia Land Commission. The above three McMurray cousins made another trek in 1780, this time accompanied by Thomas, brother of John. The four men served in the N.C. militia and were rewarded with land grants on the Cumberland River in what is now Davidson Co., Tenn. John & Thomas sold their grants and eventually settled and lived out their lives in Ky. Samuel and William decided to stay in N.C. (now Tenn.), sold their claims on the Rolling fork in Ky., and began their efforts to settle on their farms on the Cumberland. Unfortunately, both Samuel and William were killed by Indians. William in the fall of 1782, before he could start a family. Samuel was also killed on his farm in 1792 (his will was probated in Clark Co. Ky.). In this case, Samuel married a Sarah (Sallie) Kincaid in 1785 and had three sons, William (1786), John (1786 or 1787), and Samuel (after 1786, before 1793). These three sons are the ancestors of the southern branch of our McMurray family. Sallie later had a fourth son, Simpson (1796). She and the children lived with her father in Clark Co., Ky. until the boys were old enough to return their farm in Davidson Co., Tenn. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Davis [mailto:pgdavis47@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:48 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book My McMurry family were from east Tennessee.I have some named John and some named James in my family, and I remember something about NC. >From: CRoy1238@aol.com >Reply-To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com >To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:31:56 EDT > >I am most interested in this family info. You can email me direct at >Croy1238@aol.com I am most interested in the Samuel McMurry. I think i >desc. from the one that died in Rutherford Co NC after comming from Va and >going i think into Tn then back to NC. I beleive his son James McMurry and >maybe other brothers went into East Tennessee before 1800 as James first >shows up as James McMurry in the early records and his name later becomes >James Murry, then James Murray. I do not have enough proof to prove this >but >this is my throry. I would love to know the early history and i will share >what ever i have on this family. Thanks, Carol > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

I have a copy of an 1812 pension record for Robert McMurry. He was married to Jane Long and was living in Robertson Co. TN in 1850. He was 60 years old in 1855. I ordered it hoping it was for a Robert I am looking for who lived in Blount, Co AL in 1830 but I don't think he is the same one. If this fits for anyone I would be glad to send a copy. I would also like to know more about him. Anyone know this Robert? My Dead end is a Thomas also who lived in Blount Co. Alabama. I have no information on where he was born or his wife's name. I do have a lot on his decendents. I am decendent of his son Robert. The other Robert who lived in Blount AL at the time may have been his brother. He was older than Thomas but probably not old enough to be his father. If anyone has information on this Robert it may lead me to Thomas. I keep hoping to find a clue but nothing so far. Beth McMurry Clarke

Michelle, Have you looked for your Thomas E.T. in Blount Co, TN. I remember seeing a land record there that mentioned a Thomas E.T. Another record said Thomas and E. T McMurrry. It might be worth a look. If I remember correctly it was after 1820. I have very little time to organize my records right now. Maybe next year when I quit work. Beth McMurry Clarke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle McMurray de Luces" <smcmurray@nc.rr.com> To: <MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:37 PM Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book Hi Don, That is quite a story! Thank you for taking the time to help others with your knowledge. I am wondering if the Thomas (brother of John)you mentioned is the Thomas I am looking for. The only info I have is Thomas E. T.? McMurray having lived in Kentucky or Illinois. He married a woman named "Mary." I have no date of births for these folks. I know that my Thomas was probably born around the late 1700's. Your Thomas may be too old to be the same guy. Tom & Mary bore a son named Huston (Houston?)Gillespie McMurray around 1825. It makes me wonder how in the world I'm going to find out since no one kept any records that are still with us. Michelle McMurray -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:29 AM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book Hi Carol, sorry for the delay in this reply. Your asking for a ton of information. I've been working on our huge McMurray family since 1989 and only in the last five years have I cooled off doing research. Something about being an innkeeper has this kind of effect on doing genealogy. If you will indulge me, I'll concentrate on the McMurray men in Tenn. to allow for a shorter memo. We can go on from there once you connect to the family. I can provide the proofs of the information listed below as needed. Let me give you what I know and what I can prove about my McMurray family members who went to N.C. in 1780. And please allow me to continue to provide the information to you through this forum, it eliminates duplication and spreads the info over a larger group. I can document the move in 1780 by Samuel & William McMurray from Botetourt Co., Va. to N.C. (now Davidson Co., Tenn.). What I can't do for you is go much beyond that time and I'll explain this later. Now for the history on how Samuel and William arrived in N.C. As indicated in previous messages, in 1775 three McMurray cousins, John, son of William (son of William the Elder), and Samuel, son of Samuel (son of William the Elder) and William, son of one of the two fathers mentioned, made a trek to Ky. The three men claimed land in 1775-6 on the Rolling fork of the Salt River and then probably returned home to Va. in the spring or summer of 1776. These land claims are documented in a law suit that occurred when land-grabbers made duplicate claims on the McMurrays' (and many others') claims. The suit was settled in the McMurrays' favor under the auspices of a Virginia Land Commission. The above three McMurray cousins made another trek in 1780, this time accompanied by Thomas, brother of John. The four men served in the N.C. militia and were rewarded with land grants on the Cumberland River in what is now Davidson Co., Tenn. John & Thomas sold their grants and eventually settled and lived out their lives in Ky. Samuel and William decided to stay in N.C. (now Tenn.), sold their claims on the Rolling fork in Ky., and began their efforts to settle on their farms on the Cumberland. Unfortunately, both Samuel and William were killed by Indians. William in the fall of 1782, before he could start a family. Samuel was also killed on his farm in 1792 (his will was probated in Clark Co. Ky.). In this case, Samuel married a Sarah (Sallie) Kincaid in 1785 and had three sons, William (1786), John (1786 or 1787), and Samuel (after 1786, before 1793). These three sons are the ancestors of the southern branch of our McMurray family. Sallie later had a fourth son, Simpson (1796). She and the children lived with her father in Clark Co., Ky. until the boys were old enough to return their farm in Davidson Co., Tenn. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Davis [mailto:pgdavis47@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:48 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book My McMurry family were from east Tennessee.I have some named John and some named James in my family, and I remember something about NC. >From: CRoy1238@aol.com >Reply-To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com >To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:31:56 EDT > >I am most interested in this family info. You can email me direct at >Croy1238@aol.com I am most interested in the Samuel McMurry. I think i >desc. from the one that died in Rutherford Co NC after comming from Va and >going i think into Tn then back to NC. I beleive his son James McMurry and >maybe other brothers went into East Tennessee before 1800 as James first >shows up as James McMurry in the early records and his name later becomes >James Murry, then James Murray. I do not have enough proof to prove this >but >this is my throry. I would love to know the early history and i will share >what ever i have on this family. Thanks, Carol > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Beth, this is my Robert McMurry, and I'd dearly love to have a copy of his pension record!! Robert was my GGGgrandfather. I will be glad to pay expenses, if you will be sending it through the USPS. Or, I can receive it at Aug67@att.net if you are planning to scan it. THANKS. :-)) Leslie Bridges Kohler P.O. Box 8137 Glendale, AZ 85312-8137 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth & Les Clarke" <bethnles@tampabay.rr.com> > I have a copy of an 1812 pension record for Robert McMurry. He was > married to Jane Long and was living in Robertson Co. TN in 1850. He > was 60 years old in 1855. If this fits for anyone I would be glad to send > a copy. I would also like to know more about him. Anyone know this Robert? > > Beth McMurry Clarke

Don - Sometimes the simplest answer is the obvious one - Crab Orchard is where Catherine Robinson and her family were. Catherine's grandfather, John Miller, moved his family to Lincoln County in 1779. Whether Thomas and Catherine were acquainted back in Augusta County is still open to question, but entirely possible. At any rate, Thomas would have had to wait a few years for Catherine to become old enough to marry - and even then she needed her mother's permission! Marilyn Bone's book contains some utter nonsense about Catherine being "lost" to the family, etc., but that tale is off by a generation. The one who was "lost" was Catherine's aunt, Elizabeth Miller, who married Zachariah Isbell and remained behind in Virginia, much to her family's dismay. Sally Don McMurray wrote: > > Michelle, Thomas McMurray, son of William (son of William the Elder) was the > first of the siblings to move to Ky. Interestingly, and I have never found > out why, he settled in and died in Crab Orchard, Lincoln Co., Ky. This > wasn't too far from where the other siblings settled in 1789 on Thomas's > brother, John's 1,000 acre claim on the Rolling fork near what is now > Bradfordsville, Ky.

Thanks for the information Don! I have never heard of the Scot's "naming way" until now. Is it a book? My grandmother says her family bible states my Thomas "E.T." McMurray was born about 1785 in NC. That makes Thomas number one more of a fit. Maybe he was born there, then moved to Kentucky. I may need some help on this. Just keep your eyes open for any Thomas McMurrays born about 1780 on. Thank you everyone! Michelle McMurray -----Original Message----- From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 12:38 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book Michelle, Thomas McMurray, son of William (son of William the Elder) was the first of the siblings to move to Ky. Interestingly, and I have never found out why, he settled in and died in Crab Orchard, Lincoln Co., Ky. This wasn't too far from where the other siblings settled in 1789 on Thomas's brother, John's 1,000 acre claim on the Rolling fork near what is now Bradfordsville, Ky. The men you should consider for your Thomas McMurray's father are the brothers, John (the oldest), James (my ancestor), and Thomas of Crab Orchard, Ky. Another brother, Robert left the Shenandoah Valley of Va. (near where I now live) in 1811 to join the McMurray siblings (John, James, and their two married sisters) on the Rolling fork but Robert didn't have a son named Thomas. 1) Jane & James McMurray's son, Thomas was born circa 1794. The date is based on an 1815 Tax List in which this Thomas is listed in James's household as a "White male above 21." I know that Thomas is Jane & James's son because he and his brother, William (my ancestor), served together in the same outfit in 1814 at the Battle of New Orleans (as did several other McMurray cousins in other outfits). As you know, militia companies were formed in specific areas of a county. I have no information who Thomas married if, in fact, he did marry. 2) Christina & Thomas McMurray's son, Thomas was born about 1795, nothing else is known about him as far as I know. 3) Elizabeth & John McMurray's son, Thomas was born 19 June 1806. He married a Rebecca Pettus 1/24/1828. There is a lot of information on his family. As you can see, your best bets, depending on the age issue, are No's 1) and 2). Since nothing is known about these two sons named Thomas you may hit pay dirt. It will take someone like you to move back in time to identify your Thomas as a son of one of the McMurray men. Are you familiar with the Scot's "naming way"? It helped me a great deal when I traced my William to his birth location on the Rolling fork. At that time, there were eight men in Va., Ky. & Tenn. named William McMurray. I had to trace every one of these men named William until I found my guy. Good hunting and let me know if I can help. Don -----Original Message----- From: Michelle McMurray de Luces [mailto:smcmurray@nc.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 12:37 PM To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book Hi Don, That is quite a story! Thank you for taking the time to help others with your knowledge. I am wondering if the Thomas (brother of John)you mentioned is the Thomas I am looking for. The only info I have is Thomas E. T.? McMurray having lived in Kentucky or Illinois. He married a woman named "Mary." I have no date of births for these folks. I know that my Thomas was probably born around the late 1700's. Your Thomas may be too old to be the same guy. Tom & Mary bore a son named Huston (Houston?)Gillespie McMurray around 1825. It makes me wonder how in the world I'm going to find out since no one kept any records that are still with us. Michelle McMurray

I have a Thomas McMurray born about 1785 NC?????? {found on 1850 Blount Co.Al census} married????? died after 1860 Bount Co. Al Was in AL by 1824 children Joseph b. about 1812 Tenn. ma Sarah {Sally}McCollum 11 Oct. 1832 Sara Mary James Elizabeth Esther After 25 years of searching I have been unable to find any thing about Thomas.. One researcher claimed this family was in Blount Co. TN. before going to Ala. Joyce McMurray Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Barker" <Sarahbarker@sprintmail.com> To: <MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book > Michelle, > > The Thomas who Don referred to settled in Lincoln County, Kentucky, > where he married 1. Catherine "Kitty" Robinson in 1784, and 2. Christina > Dice Hisner in 1792. Thomas and Christina did have a son Thomas born > circa 1795, but I have no further information on him. Perhaps someone > else does. > > Sally > > > Michelle McMurray de Luces wrote: > > > > Hi Don, > > > > That is quite a story! Thank you for taking the time to help others with > > your knowledge. > > > > I am wondering if the Thomas (brother of John)you mentioned is the Thomas I > > am looking for. The only info I have is Thomas E. T.? McMurray having lived > > in Kentucky or Illinois. He married a woman named "Mary." I have no date > > of births for these folks. I know that my Thomas was probably born around > > the late 1700's. Your Thomas may be too old to be the same guy. Tom & Mary > > bore a son named Huston (Houston?)Gillespie McMurray around 1825. > > > > It makes me wonder how in the world I'm going to find out since no one kept > > any records that are still with us. > > > > Michelle McMurray > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don McMurray [mailto:don@norrishouse.com] > > Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 9:29 AM > > To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: RE: [McMurry] McMurry family book > > > > Hi Carol, sorry for the delay in this reply. Your asking for a ton of > > information. I've been working on our huge McMurray family since 1989 and > > only in the last five years have I cooled off doing research. Something > > about being an innkeeper has this kind of effect on doing genealogy. If you > > will indulge me, I'll concentrate on the McMurray men in Tenn. to allow for > > a shorter memo. We can go on from there once you connect to the family. I > > can provide the proofs of the information listed below as needed. > > > > Let me give you what I know and what I can prove about my McMurray family > > members who went to N.C. in 1780. And please allow me to continue to > > provide the information to you through this forum, it eliminates duplication > > and spreads the info over a larger group. I can document the move in 1780 > > by Samuel & William McMurray from Botetourt Co., Va. to N.C. (now Davidson > > Co., Tenn.). What I can't do for you is go much beyond that time and I'll > > explain this later. Now for the history on how Samuel and William arrived > > in N.C. > > > > As indicated in previous messages, in 1775 three McMurray cousins, John, son > > of William (son of William the Elder), and Samuel, son of Samuel (son of > > William the Elder) and William, son of one of the two fathers mentioned, > > made a trek to Ky. The three men claimed land in 1775-6 on the Rolling fork > > of the Salt River and then probably returned home to Va. in the spring or > > summer of 1776. These land claims are documented in a law suit that > > occurred when land-grabbers made duplicate claims on the McMurrays' (and > > many others') claims. The suit was settled in the McMurrays' favor under > > the auspices of a Virginia Land Commission. > > > > The above three McMurray cousins made another trek in 1780, this time > > accompanied by Thomas, brother of John. The four men served in the N.C. > > militia and were rewarded with land grants on the Cumberland River in what > > is now Davidson Co., Tenn. John & Thomas sold their grants and eventually > > settled and lived out their lives in Ky. Samuel and William decided to stay > > in N.C. (now Tenn.), sold their claims on the Rolling fork in Ky., and began > > their efforts to settle on their farms on the Cumberland. > > > > Unfortunately, both Samuel and William were killed by Indians. William in > > the fall of 1782, before he could start a family. Samuel was also killed on > > his farm in 1792 (his will was probated in Clark Co. Ky.). In this case, > > Samuel married a Sarah (Sallie) Kincaid in 1785 and had three sons, William > > (1786), John (1786 or 1787), and Samuel (after 1786, before 1793). These > > three sons are the ancestors of the southern branch of our McMurray family. > > Sallie later had a fourth son, Simpson (1796). She and the children lived > > with her father in Clark Co., Ky. until the boys were old enough to return > > their farm in Davidson Co., Tenn. > > > > Regards, Don > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Patricia Davis [mailto:pgdavis47@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 11:48 PM > > To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book > > > > My McMurry family were from east Tennessee.I have some named John and some > > named James in my family, and I remember something about NC. > > > > >From: CRoy1238@aol.com > > >Reply-To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: MCMURRY-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [McMurry] McMurry family book > > >Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:31:56 EDT > > > > > >I am most interested in this family info. You can email me direct at > > >Croy1238@aol.com I am most interested in the Samuel McMurry. I think i > > >desc. from the one that died in Rutherford Co NC after comming from Va and > > >going i think into Tn then back to NC. I beleive his son James McMurry and > > >maybe other brothers went into East Tennessee before 1800 as James first > > >shows up as James McMurry in the early records and his name later becomes > > >James Murry, then James Murray. I do not have enough proof to prove this > > >but > > >this is my throry. I would love to know the early history and i will share > > >what ever i have on this family. Thanks, Carol > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > > http://www.hotmail.com > > >

Thomas McMurray, son of William was in Augusta Co. VA in 1750. Around 1755 he and his "family" moved into to NC and show up in Anson Co. (near SC) in 1762. The males listed with Thomas were Samuel, William, Robert, John & Edward. According to Don Norris, William and John were nephews, sons of Thomas' deceased brother, John. The other males, Samuel, Robert and Edward appear to be children of Thomas. Samuel, Robert and William moved from Anson (Mecklenburg) to Tryon Co. Robert came back to Mecklenburg and his homestead was in a part of Mecklenburg that later became Cabarrus. He attended Rocky River Presbyterian Church and is buried in one of the old cemeteries there. Samuel married his cousin, Margaret McMurray (apparent daughter of his uncle James) in Granville Co. in 1764 moved to Tryon. He died in Rutherford Co. NC testate. William married a Margaret also and died in Rutherford Co. testate (his land was in what later became Cleveland Co.) John appears to have gone to Georgia. Edward has not been traced. I have had very little success tracing the children of Samuel and William. One of Samuel's daughter's, Elizabeth, married my ancestor, Henry Callahan in Rutherford Co. They both died there. I have very limited info on some of the 10 other probable children of Samuel and Margaret. I have some info on only one child of William - John, married and remained in Rutherford/Cleveland and many descendants still reside there. I would love to share any info you might have. Please e-mail me directly at bcalla6711@aol.com Ben C

Researchers, I see all the e-mail on the McMurry name and one has mentioned Crab Orchard in Lincoln Co.,KY. "My" McMerty line came from Ireland (this is what it shows in 2 different books of Newberry Co.,SC), and settled in the Newberry Co. area of SC. William McMerty, b.abt 1750 in Ireland and wife Mary Puckett came to SC in the 1770's and settled in Newberry Co. They had 6 children and one girl, Susannah (born 1767 in Ireland) married William Hadder Hall (1765-abt 1801) in 1790 in Newberry Co. An old family letter says "....Grandfather Hall came from England to South Carolina. His name was William Hall. Married a girl by the name of Susannah McMertery. She came from Irland in her 14 year of her age and settled in teh south Carolina, I rember but little of them..." In 1801 William Hall moved from SC to Pulaski Co.,KY. William and Susannah had a girl, Susannah Hall (Nov.26,1791-1876) that married Asa Roy on May 6,1809 in Pulaski Co., KY. This is next to Lincoln Co.,KY and near Crab Orchard. I have a lot of info on the Roys of the area, but was looking for more info on the McMerty of this area. Some of the McMertys that lived in the Newberry Co.,SC area, moved with William into KY around 1801. Leonard Roy, son of Asa Roy, transcribed this letter in 1892. Any relatives out there? Tim Tim Mattingly gtm.3@insightbb.com For my genealogy data, see: http://www.gencircles.com/users/gurney3 then click on: Mattingly/Chapman ancestors for other genealogy data see: http://www.gencircles.com/