I suggest that you go to GenForum and look at everything Betty Stokes has posted and also go to the MCELROY-L mailing list archives on Rootsweb and look at the information she has sent about any John Mackleroy. She uses that spelling most of the time. She seems to have information on all McElroys in her database. If you haven't corresponded with her, you may want to send her a note. jstokes@houston.rr.com http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=MCELROY Also, I found some interesting King information on GenForum posts: 5588, 5657, 5691, 12629 and 12729. It is funny, that I started looking for Cullen King data last night and you post to the Ricks list today. Lyn