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All is well, but what about the female McConnell (clan McDonald) line? is there a study noting how we can find where we came from? Also, on another line, is there a study connecting Native Americans to certain tribes, i.e. Creek, Cherokee, Apache, etc? My husband is descended from the Creeks. -- Margaret Sessions -------------- Original message -------------- From: mcconnell-request@rootsweb.com > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to > change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject > to which you are replying. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Ray McConnell and his "unusual" haplogroup > (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:03:12 -0000 > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" > Subject: [McConnell] Ray McConnell and his "unusual" haplogroup > To: > Message-ID: <1182600205.181844@rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: ksaxe > Surnames: McConnell, MacDonald, McDonald, McReynolds > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2452/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Ray McConnell and Haplogroup I > > After Ray McConnell heard about the discovery of a genetic signature shared by > descendants of Clan Donald's founder Somerled and the Viking heritage that > signature reveals he decided to join the Genographic Project in 2005. The > Genographic Project gathers both Y DNA and mitochondrial DNA from people around > the world to learn more about ancient migratory patterns. By joining the > project, Ray added information about his Y chromosome to a massive database that > can be analyzed to reveal a great deal about the history of human migrations. A > portion of the fee Ray paid to join the project went to support the Genographic > Legacy Fund, which helps indigenous and traditional peoples around the world. > You can learn more about this worthy project by going to their website at > https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/about.html. > When Ray received his results that December, he learned that he definitely > was not a male line Somerled descendant. He did learn about the Clan Donald DNA > project shortly after his results came in and did join. Looking at his results > on the project tables showed that not only was he not a Somerled descendant, he > was the only McConnell in a relatively small group of men whose results placed > them in a group called Haplogroup I. > What is a haplogroup? What do Ray's results tell him about his genealogy? > How can he learn more? > In a way, the haplogroup idea is simple. A haplogroup is a group of people > who share a distinctive DNA pattern that identifies them as descendants of an > individual who lived in the distant past. The haplogroups based on male line > descent from a common ancestor all arose on the order of tens of thousands of > years ago. Haplogroup I predates the last glacial maximum, which occurred about > 20,000 years ago. That means that Ray probably doesn't share a common male line > ancestor born during the last 20,000 years with any other McConnell in the > study! > How can this be? Does it mean that Ray has no matches in the study? First, > most males in the clan do not descend through Somerled in their male line. > Ray's male line ancestors may have acquired the name "McDonald" in a number of > ways. When men began using surnames, men whose fathers were named Donald could > take the name McDonald, meaning "son of Donald" and many did. Marriages of Clan > Donald daughters were often involved when new male lines were added to the clan > and those men sometimes took the name McDonald. Although it sounds quite > different to English speakers, the name McConnell is simply a variant of > McDonald and is not far from the original Gaelic pronunciation. You can learn a > lot more about the ways new male lines joined the clan by visiting the Other > Ancestry page of the project website at > http://dna-project.clan-donald-usa.org/DNAmain4.htm. > Ray does have matches in the project. His 12 marker test results match the > results of 5 other men in the project on 11 out of 12 markers. Although none of > these matching men is a McConnell, their names are all variants of the name > McDonald, just as McConnell is. One is a MacDonald, another is a McDonald, and > the remaining 3 are McReynolds men. Considering the way the variant forms of > the name have changed over time, it is certainly possible that one or more of > these men share a relatively recent ancestor with Ray. Because Ray only has > results for 12 markers, the estimated time to most recent common ancestor > statistics (TMRCA) on the project results tables are very rough estimates. > These say that Ray and his five matches are about 34 generations removed from > their common ancestor. Comparing results for more markers would almost > certainly lead to a range of estimates with a low end in the 20s or lower and a > high end in the upper 30s or higher. Whether any of these ! > men would turn out to be close matches for Ray is anybody's guess with the > information currently available. Since discussion of these matches is somewhat > off the topic of haplogroups, I'll save it for later. > The amazing thing about Ray's results so far is that, while they aren't very > specific about his relatively recent ancestry, they tell us about his male line > tens of thousands of years ago! By exploring a link on Doug's DNA page 1 on the > project website, I was able to navigate to the website of the International > Society of Genetic Genealogy, where I found the following on their page for > Haplogroup I at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI07.html: "Y-DNA > haplogroup I is a European haplogroup, representing nearly one-fifth of the > population. It is almost non-existent outside of Europe [of course Americans and > others of recent European origin are not counted as "outside of Europe" here], > suggesting that it arose in Europe. Estimates of the age of haplogroup I > suggest that it arose prior to the last Glacial Maximum. Probably, it was > confined to the refuge in the Balkans during the last Ice Age, and then spread > northward during the recolonization of northern Europe follo! > wing the retreat of the glaciers." > The page continues with information on the two main subgroups of group I and > their branches. Ray's haplogroup, which is known by the older name I1c, is also > known as I1b2a and as I-M223. About Ray's subgroup, the page says, "Within > I-S23 et al, I-M223 occurs in Britain and northwest continental Europe. A > subgroup of I-M223, namely I-M284, occurs almost exclusively in Britain, so it > apparently originated there and has probably been present for thousands of > years." Whether Ray belongs to the subgroup I-M284 is unknown, but it certainly > is interesting to know that finding one little mutation called M284 in Ray's DNA > would tell us that his male line ancestors probably settled in Britain thousands > of years ago. > This bit of information may seem like the end of the story of Ray's > haplogroup, but it really isn't because Haplogroup I is still around. We have > also skipped the BEGINNING of this story. Haplogroup I is descended from > earlier haplogroups, and using the ISOGG website it is possible to trace his > line back even further. > You can see that even with the results from just 12 markers, it is possible > to learn an incredible amount about the movements of your ancient ancestors by > learning about the history of their haplogroups. I have left out a LOT of > details to keep this post to a readable length. You can expect a more detailed > explanation of haplogroups and how I found this information to be posted later. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like > to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond > on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MCCONNELL list administrator, send an email to > MCCONNELL-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MCCONNELL mailing list, send an email to > MCCONNELL@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MCCONNELL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MCCONNELL Digest, Vol 2, Issue 47 > ****************************************

Hi Margaret, There is more than one way to investigate your various lines using DNA testing. Even though your McConnell line is not all male, you may be able to find a male McConnell relative whose test results would give you information on your McConnell line. That is an approach that I have taken. One of my great-grandfathers was a McConnell. My great grandfather had one son and one daughter. The son had two sons. Neither of them has had children, but I asked the one surviving son to test and he did. It is probably a good thing that I did this because my cousin is now over 65 and finding more distant cousins to test can be difficult or impossible in some cases. There may be other ways to go in your situation. How far back do you have to take your line to reach your male McConnell ancestors? Are you interested in finding more on those male McConnell ancestors only, or on the female ancestry of those men as well? Some of the same principles would be involved in Native American DNA testing. I'm no expert in that, but did find plenty of information at the sites of major testing companies and through a search engine. I'll e-mail you about that offlist later. Kirsten On Sun, 24 Jun 2007 23:38:06 +0000, margaret4389 wrote > All is well, but what about the female McConnell (clan McDonald) > line? is there a study noting how we can find where we came from? > Also, on another line, is there a study connecting Native Americans > to certain tribes, i.e. Creek, Cherokee, Apache, etc? My husband is > descended from the Creeks. > > -- > Margaret Sessions > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: mcconnell-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you > > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to > > change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject > > to which you are replying. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Ray McConnell and his "unusual" haplogroup > > (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:03:12 -0000 > > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" > > Subject: [McConnell] Ray McConnell and his "unusual" haplogroup > > To: > > Message-ID: <1182600205.181844@rootsweb.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Author: ksaxe > > Surnames: McConnell, MacDonald, McDonald, McReynolds > > Classification: queries > > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2452/mb.ashx > > > > Message Board Post: > > > > Ray McConnell and Haplogroup I > > > > After Ray McConnell heard about the discovery of a genetic signature shared by > > descendants of Clan Donald's founder Somerled and the Viking heritage that > > signature reveals he decided to join the Genographic Project in 2005. The > > Genographic Project gathers both Y DNA and mitochondrial DNA from people around > > the world to learn more about ancient migratory patterns. By joining the > > project, Ray added information about his Y chromosome to a massive database that > > can be analyzed to reveal a great deal about the history of human migrations. A > > portion of the fee Ray paid to join the project went to support the Genographic > > Legacy Fund, which helps indigenous and traditional peoples around the world. > > You can learn more about this worthy project by going to their website at > > https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/about.html. > > When Ray received his results that December, he learned that he definitely > > was not a male line Somerled descendant. He did learn about the Clan Donald DNA > > project shortly after his results came in and did join. Looking at his results > > on the project tables showed that not only was he not a Somerled descendant, he > > was the only McConnell in a relatively small group of men whose results placed > > them in a group called Haplogroup I. > > What is a haplogroup? What do Ray's results tell him about his genealogy? > > How can he learn more? > > In a way, the haplogroup idea is simple. A haplogroup is a group of people > > who share a distinctive DNA pattern that identifies them as descendants of an > > individual who lived in the distant past. The haplogroups based on male line > > descent from a common ancestor all arose on the order of tens of thousands of > > years ago. Haplogroup I predates the last glacial maximum, which occurred about > > 20,000 years ago. That means that Ray probably doesn't share a common male line > > ancestor born during the last 20,000 years with any other McConnell in the > > study! > > How can this be? Does it mean that Ray has no matches in the study? First, > > most males in the clan do not descend through Somerled in their male line. > > Ray's male line ancestors may have acquired the name "McDonald" in a number of > > ways. When men began using surnames, men whose fathers were named Donald could > > take the name McDonald, meaning "son of Donald" and many did. Marriages of Clan > > Donald daughters were often involved when new male lines were added to the clan > > and those men sometimes took the name McDonald. Although it sounds quite > > different to English speakers, the name McConnell is simply a variant of > > McDonald and is not far from the original Gaelic pronunciation. You can learn a > > lot more about the ways new male lines joined the clan by visiting the Other > > Ancestry page of the project website at > > http://dna-project.clan-donald-usa.org/DNAmain4.htm. > > Ray does have matches in the project. His 12 marker test results match the > > results of 5 other men in the project on 11 out of 12 markers. Although none of > > these matching men is a McConnell, their names are all variants of the name > > McDonald, just as McConnell is. One is a MacDonald, another is a McDonald, and > > the remaining 3 are McReynolds men. Considering the way the variant forms of > > the name have changed over time, it is certainly possible that one or more of > > these men share a relatively recent ancestor with Ray. Because Ray only has > > results for 12 markers, the estimated time to most recent common ancestor > > statistics (TMRCA) on the project results tables are very rough estimates. > > These say that Ray and his five matches are about 34 generations removed from > > their common ancestor. Comparing results for more markers would almost > > certainly lead to a range of estimates with a low end in the 20s or lower and a > > high end in the upper 30s or higher. Whether any of these ! > > men would turn out to be close matches for Ray is anybody's guess with the > > information currently available. Since discussion of these matches is somewhat > > off the topic of haplogroups, I'll save it for later. > > The amazing thing about Ray's results so far is that, while they aren't very > > specific about his relatively recent ancestry, they tell us about his male line > > tens of thousands of years ago! By exploring a link on Doug's DNA page 1 on the > > project website, I was able to navigate to the website of the International > > Society of Genetic Genealogy, where I found the following on their page for > > Haplogroup I at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI07.html: "Y-DNA > > haplogroup I is a European haplogroup, representing nearly one-fifth of the > > population. It is almost non-existent outside of Europe [of course Americans and > > others of recent European origin are not counted as "outside of Europe" here], > > suggesting that it arose in Europe. Estimates of the age of haplogroup I > > suggest that it arose prior to the last Glacial Maximum. Probably, it was > > confined to the refuge in the Balkans during the last Ice Age, and then spread > > northward during the recolonization of northern Europe follo! > > wing the retreat of the glaciers." > > The page continues with information on the two main subgroups of group I and > > their branches. Ray's haplogroup, which is known by the older name I1c, is also > > known as I1b2a and as I-M223. About Ray's subgroup, the page says, "Within > > I-S23 et al, I-M223 occurs in Britain and northwest continental Europe. A > > subgroup of I-M223, namely I-M284, occurs almost exclusively in Britain, so it > > apparently originated there and has probably been present for thousands of > > years." Whether Ray belongs to the subgroup I-M284 is unknown, but it certainly > > is interesting to know that finding one little mutation called M284 in Ray's DNA > > would tell us that his male line ancestors probably settled in Britain thousands > > of years ago. > > This bit of information may seem like the end of the story of Ray's > > haplogroup, but it really isn't because Haplogroup I is still around. We have > > also skipped the BEGINNING of this story. Haplogroup I is descended from > > earlier haplogroups, and using the ISOGG website it is possible to trace his > > line back even further. > > You can see that even with the results from just 12 markers, it is possible > > to learn an incredible amount about the movements of your ancient ancestors by > > learning about the history of their haplogroups. I have left out a LOT of > > details to keep this post to a readable length. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ksaxe Surnames: McConnell, MacDonald, McDonald Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2453/mb.ashx Message Board Post: More on haplogroups and how DNA testing tells us about them My earlier post about Ray McConnell's DNA test results placing him in a group called Haplogroup I left out a lot of technical details. The 3 DNA Explained pages on the project website do an excellent job of explaining these ideas in detail and I recommend them highly. Of those three pages, the one most relevant to the subject of haplogroups is Doug's DNA page 1 at http://dna-project.clan-donald-usa.org/DNAdna2.htm. You can understand DNA test results and how they tell us about haplogroups better if you know just a few of the key concepts that are discussed on the DNA pages. Once you understand these ideas, you can easily do some sleuthing on the internet and understand how different haplogroups split off from each other. First, DNA can be tested for more than one kind of mutation. A man joins the Clan Donald project by having his Y chromosome tested for a kind of mutation called a short tandem repeat (STR). Although looking at a man's test results for STR mutations can often be used to predict his haplogroup with a high degree of certainty, STR mutations are not what determines membership in a Y-DNA haplogroup. Haplogroups are defined by mutations called Unique Event Polymorphisms (UEPs). Many UEPs belong to a group called Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs). These types of polymorphisms occur so rarely during the process of DNA replication that it is unlikely that a particular UEP occurring at a particular location on a man's Y chromosome will have ever occurred at the same site during human history. Therefore, any man carrying such a mutation is probably a descendant of one individual who generated that mutation. When those mutations have occurred in the past and the man who generated them left male line descendants whose numbers increased sufficiently, today's haplogroups were formed. By gathering and analyzing data on the UEPs of large numbers of men, scientists have been able to sort them into different haplogroups and even tell which haplogroups contained the ancestors of men in more recently formed haplogroups. Members of haplogroups of recent origin carry the ! UEPs of their ancestral haplogroups, along with more recent UEPs unique to their haplogroup. Haplogroups split off into subgroups as more UEPs occur. When a man's haplogroup is identified, he is linked to a whole sequence of UEPs and the men who generated and carried them. Because each haplogroup originated with an individual, the STR test values for the members of a haplogroup will be somewhat similar to the STR values of the men who originated the haplogroup. There will be some "genetic drift" of those values over time, which tends to further separate the STR values of the men in the haplogroup from the STR values of the men in other haplogroups. This is why a testing company can usually predict the haplogroup of a man from STR test results. Ray's haplogroup was determined in this way, not by testing his UEPs. UEP names gneerally start with a letter followed by a number. Examples of names of UEPs include M170, P38, S31, S23, and M223. These UEPs are all shared by members of Ray's haplogroup. The International Society of Genetic Genealogy (ISOGG) website has pages for each Y-DNA haplogroup. You can look at ISOGG's family tree diagram for Haplogroup I at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI07.html. You will be able to find the mutations listed above in the diagram and see how the various subgroups have developed. Scrolling down to the bottom of the page takes you to a nice description of the group. Once you have explored the tree for Haplogroup I, you can explore the Y DNA tree trunk at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNATreeTrunk07.html. There you can see how Group I developed from a group called IJ, which in turn developed from Group F, and so on. To learn more about these ancestral groups, you can just go to their headings on the tree trunk diagram and click. By the use of these sites, links from them, and search engines, it is easy to find further information on haplogroups. Wikipedia has some very interesting articles about this and related subjects. When a man receives results of his initial STR test, the testing company usually includes a prediction of what haplogroup a test of his UEPs would place him in. If the man wants to confirm his haplogroup or learn more specific information about what subgroup he belongs to, he can usually obtain further information by ordering a UEP test. Different companies have different versions of these tests, and the tests are changing as new UEPs are discovered and studied. Anyone interested in such testing is advised to contact the project administrators for advice before ordering a test. Because there are so many Haplogroup R1b men in the project, the administrators want to work closely with them on their haplogroup testing, with a goal of using subgroups to help sort out the R1b men. So for these men, it is particularly important to contact one of the administrators first. They are Mark MacDonald at mark@macdonaldlaw.com and Doug McDonald at mcdonald@scs.uiuc.edu. ************************************************************************* The haplogroups we have been discussing are all based on a male's male line ancestry. The mitochondrial DNA that all people inherit from their mothers may also be used to sort them into haplogroups based on their maternal line ancestry. The "Seven Daughters of Eve" that you may have heard about are the progenitors of the seven mitochondrial DNA haplogroups for European maternal lines. These haplogroups are another fascinating subject, but the Y-DNA tests used by the Clan Donald project do not reveal anything about the members' mitochondrial DNA haplogroups, and the results of mitochondrial DNA testing do not tell us anything about Clan Donald's Y-DNA lines. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ksaxe Surnames: McConnell, MacDonald, McDonald, McReynolds Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2452/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ray McConnell and Haplogroup I After Ray McConnell heard about the discovery of a genetic signature shared by descendants of Clan Donald's founder Somerled and the Viking heritage that signature reveals he decided to join the Genographic Project in 2005. The Genographic Project gathers both Y DNA and mitochondrial DNA from people around the world to learn more about ancient migratory patterns. By joining the project, Ray added information about his Y chromosome to a massive database that can be analyzed to reveal a great deal about the history of human migrations. A portion of the fee Ray paid to join the project went to support the Genographic Legacy Fund, which helps indigenous and traditional peoples around the world. You can learn more about this worthy project by going to their website at https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/about.html. When Ray received his results that December, he learned that he definitely was not a male line Somerled descendant. He did learn about the Clan Donald DNA project shortly after his results came in and did join. Looking at his results on the project tables showed that not only was he not a Somerled descendant, he was the only McConnell in a relatively small group of men whose results placed them in a group called Haplogroup I. What is a haplogroup? What do Ray's results tell him about his genealogy? How can he learn more? In a way, the haplogroup idea is simple. A haplogroup is a group of people who share a distinctive DNA pattern that identifies them as descendants of an individual who lived in the distant past. The haplogroups based on male line descent from a common ancestor all arose on the order of tens of thousands of years ago. Haplogroup I predates the last glacial maximum, which occurred about 20,000 years ago. That means that Ray probably doesn't share a common male line ancestor born during the last 20,000 years with any other McConnell in the study! How can this be? Does it mean that Ray has no matches in the study? First, most males in the clan do not descend through Somerled in their male line. Ray's male line ancestors may have acquired the name "McDonald" in a number of ways. When men began using surnames, men whose fathers were named Donald could take the name McDonald, meaning "son of Donald" and many did. Marriages of Clan Donald daughters were often involved when new male lines were added to the clan and those men sometimes took the name McDonald. Although it sounds quite different to English speakers, the name McConnell is simply a variant of McDonald and is not far from the original Gaelic pronunciation. You can learn a lot more about the ways new male lines joined the clan by visiting the Other Ancestry page of the project website at http://dna-project.clan-donald-usa.org/DNAmain4.htm. Ray does have matches in the project. His 12 marker test results match the results of 5 other men in the project on 11 out of 12 markers. Although none of these matching men is a McConnell, their names are all variants of the name McDonald, just as McConnell is. One is a MacDonald, another is a McDonald, and the remaining 3 are McReynolds men. Considering the way the variant forms of the name have changed over time, it is certainly possible that one or more of these men share a relatively recent ancestor with Ray. Because Ray only has results for 12 markers, the estimated time to most recent common ancestor statistics (TMRCA) on the project results tables are very rough estimates. These say that Ray and his five matches are about 34 generations removed from their common ancestor. Comparing results for more markers would almost certainly lead to a range of estimates with a low end in the 20s or lower and a high end in the upper 30s or higher. Whether any of these ! men would turn out to be close matches for Ray is anybody's guess with the information currently available. Since discussion of these matches is somewhat off the topic of haplogroups, I'll save it for later. The amazing thing about Ray's results so far is that, while they aren't very specific about his relatively recent ancestry, they tell us about his male line tens of thousands of years ago! By exploring a link on Doug's DNA page 1 on the project website, I was able to navigate to the website of the International Society of Genetic Genealogy, where I found the following on their page for Haplogroup I at http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpI07.html: "Y-DNA haplogroup I is a European haplogroup, representing nearly one-fifth of the population. It is almost non-existent outside of Europe [of course Americans and others of recent European origin are not counted as "outside of Europe" here], suggesting that it arose in Europe. Estimates of the age of haplogroup I suggest that it arose prior to the last Glacial Maximum. Probably, it was confined to the refuge in the Balkans during the last Ice Age, and then spread northward during the recolonization of northern Europe follo! wing the retreat of the glaciers." The page continues with information on the two main subgroups of group I and their branches. Ray's haplogroup, which is known by the older name I1c, is also known as I1b2a and as I-M223. About Ray's subgroup, the page says, "Within I-S23 et al, I-M223 occurs in Britain and northwest continental Europe. A subgroup of I-M223, namely I-M284, occurs almost exclusively in Britain, so it apparently originated there and has probably been present for thousands of years." Whether Ray belongs to the subgroup I-M284 is unknown, but it certainly is interesting to know that finding one little mutation called M284 in Ray's DNA would tell us that his male line ancestors probably settled in Britain thousands of years ago. This bit of information may seem like the end of the story of Ray's haplogroup, but it really isn't because Haplogroup I is still around. We have also skipped the BEGINNING of this story. Haplogroup I is descended from earlier haplogroups, and using the ISOGG website it is possible to trace his line back even further. You can see that even with the results from just 12 markers, it is possible to learn an incredible amount about the movements of your ancient ancestors by learning about the history of their haplogroups. I have left out a LOT of details to keep this post to a readable length. You can expect a more detailed explanation of haplogroups and how I found this information to be posted later. 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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DarleneRogers31 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/196.197.419.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello--my moms family is all Mcconnells, living in westmoreland Pa, perhaps any of you could help me. I am looking for a Harry Mcconnell, who was living with a John and Sarah johnston (his grandparents). I have nothing on wher this family begain other than Westmoreland..any info would help! Thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42Furneaux_DenCoTX Surnames: McCONNELL Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2451.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Oops, my mistake. Furneaux Cemetery is in Carrollton, not Louisville. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42Furneaux_DenCoTX Surnames: McCONNELL Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2451/mb.ashx Message Board Post: McCONNELL_Earl_Pharr_iii.jpg David Strickland photographed this gravestone in the Furneaux Cemetery, Lewisville, Denton Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records. This is one of the 172,927 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jeanold19 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2450.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi do you know if any of your McConnells came from Donegal or Scotland Regards jean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: traceyhodgins Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2450/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for John E MCConnell born about 1879 in Ontario He married to Mary McDonald in about 1907 There children are: Irene, Alexander, Gordon, Mary Ellen, Viola, Grace, Gladys, Pearl, Doris and Clifford Lorne John and Mary both died in Alberta. I am a descendant of Irene and can fill in alot of info if anyone wants Who are John E's parents Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ksaxe Surnames: MacConnell, McConnell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2449/mb.ashx Message Board Post: New Results Added to Clan Donald DNA Project Results Tables Project Webmaster Doug McDonald updated the project results tables Tuesday. Results are now listed for a K.G.G. McConnell in the R1b red subgroup table. These results are really neat! First, this man has a connection to an old kingdom named Dalriada. His results link him to a number of famous relatives as described in the comments for the Haplogroup R1b Red subgroup table at http://dna-project.clan-donald-usa.org/tables.htm. These famous relatives include Cairbre Riada, the king of Irish Dalriada, Conor II High King of Ireland, and Conn of the Hundred Battles. Second, he has some significant matches. By finding his entry in the R1b red subgroup table and clicking on his Clan Donald code (a procedure described in detail in last Saturday's case study), you can see that his 2 closest matches are the 2 MacConnell men in the study, with another McConnell as his next closest match. These men can now compare their genealogical information knowing that they are connected. This case is a good example for the rest of us. The closest match for a McConnell man in the study is not always another McConnell. Knowing the exact surnames of their closest matches may prove very helpful to them as they search for cousins. This example is also typical in the sense that 80% of McConnell men whose results have been posted are in one of the subgroups of Haplogroup R1b. Not all of them are members of the red subgroup, and case studies for some of these men will be posted later this summer. The subject of haplogroups comes up frequently as we look at project results. Doug explains this concept very well on the project website, but for those who like learning from case studies, the next case study will focus on haplogroups. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Cadfael01 Surnames: MCCONNELL, BENDER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2448.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There's a typo in my original query. Jimmy McConnell was killed in AZ ca 1957 rather than 1937. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Cadfael01 Surnames: MCCONNELL, BENDER Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2448/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Looking for any information on Leonard McConnell b TN or CA ca 1915, his son James (Jimmy) b CA 1937, d AZ ca 1937 or Leonard's wife Ruth (Ruthie). Jimmy was shot and killed in AZ while attending college there. Both may or may not be related to Leonard P. McConnell b TN ca 1885 and to the BENDER family of Memphis, TN and Glendora, CA. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: RMunns7272 Surnames: McConnell, Horn Classification: biography Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2447/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From "History of La Crosse County, Wisconsin", 1881, p. 852. Town of Farmington JAMES McCONNELL, farmer, Sec. 30; P. O. Mindoro; son of David McConnell, a native of Crawford Co., Penn.; removed to Portage Co., Ohio, thence to Walworth Co., in 1842, where he removed his family the following year. He came to La Crosse Co. in 1852, and settled on the farm which his son James now owns. He died August 16, 1860; mother died in 1873. James was born in Portage Co., Ohio, March, 1836; came to La Crosse Co. with his father; he enlisted, in August, 1861, in the 1st Wisconsin Battery; served three years; was in active service the whole of that time; was engaged in many of the most important battles and campaigns of the Southwest, including Sherman's attack on Vicksburg, Grant's siege of that city; was at the battle of Arkansas Post, Port Gibson, where he was wounded; Baker's Creek, Champion Hills, Banks' Red River expedition, etc.; was discharged Oct. 18, 1864. Married Mary L. Horn; have four children - William B., Roy Angus, Nellie and Gertrude. Parents had nine c! hildren, all of whom are living. [I am not related to this family and have no further information. I'm posting this as a service and hope it helps!] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Brian McConnell Last Updated: 10:21am BST 14/07/2004 The Telegraph.co.uk Brian Mcconnell, who has died aged 76, was the Fleet Street reporter awarded the Queen's Gallantry Medal for his part in foiling an attempt to kidnap Princess Anne in the Mall in 1974. On the evening of March 20, the Princess and her then husband, Capt Mark Phillips, were being driven down the Mall near Admiralty Arch when a driver slewed his car in front of theirs. Leaping out, the man thrust a gun through the window; he planned to kidnap the Princess and demand a £3 million ransom. A police inspector in the car with the royal couple tried to reason with him, and was shot. McConnell, who had written a book on assassinations, was in a taxi travelling ahead of the royal limousine. Hearing a crash and then shots, he jumped out of the cab and ran to the crashed car, telling the gunman: "You can't do that. These are my friends. Don't be silly. Just give me the gun." In reply the man told him to get out of the way, then shot him in the chest. Staggering to the side of the road, McConnell said to a woman there: "I think I've been shot." "You'd better sit down," she replied. The kidnapper was overcome, having shot not only McConnell and the inspector, but also another policeman and the royal chauffeur - and all four were taken to St George's Hospital. On regaining consciousness, McConnell could remember little. Then he saw Nick Davies, a Daily Mirror reporter who, clothed in a borrowed doctor's white coat, was waiting to take down his exclusive story. McConnell spent a week in hospital, and was later presented with the Queen's Gallantry Medal at Buckingham Palace. The son of a surveyor, John Brian McConnell was born on December 27 1928, and went to Woodmansterne Road School, Streatham, before being evacuated to Eastbourne and then Bookham, Surrey. On returning to Streatham, he attended whatever school was available, including St Joseph's College, Norwood, a Jewish orphanage and a home for unmarried mothers. The most valuable lessons he learned were shorthand and typing. He left school at 14, and found work on the council workers' Municipal Journal, then the South London Press. He did his National Service with the RAF as a wireless operator. On coming out, McConnell married Margaret Walden. He went to the Daily Mirror, with which he was to remain connected as staff man and freelance for much of his career. A good, hard-working, convivial reporter who was always polite, he served variously as the paper's crime reporter, Old Bailey correspondent and editor of the "Live Letters" column. For three years he was the news editor for the Sun after it became a tabloid in 1969. But he particularly enjoyed freelancing, not least since this gave him the chance to write books. These included Assassination (1969), which ranged from the Assyrians to the murder of the Kennedys; and The Rise and Fall of the Brothers Kray (1969), which was based on Mirror reports of their trials. He also published The Sign of the Crane (1978), the history of a London printing firm; The Neilson File (1983), about the murderer Donald Neilson; and Holy Killers (1995), an account of murderous clerics and religious leaders. In later years, McConnell wrote light-hearted articles for the New Law Journal and lectured to conferences in North America. Up to the time of death on Saturday, he was writing a local history column in the South London Press. He recently celebrated the sixtieth anniversary of his arrival in Fleet Street with a party at El Vino wine bar. Looking back on his career, he said he was proudest of the title with which Edgar Wallace is commemorated on a plaque at Ludgate Circus, at the bottom of Fleet Street: "reporter".

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ksaxe Surnames: McConnell, MacDonald, McDonald Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2446/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Robert C. McConnell recently joined the Clan Donald DNA project with a 67 marker test. When the results came back, he learned that he is related to the clan chiefs. Statistics show that Robert and Allan Douglas MacDonald of Vallay, chieftain of the clan's Vallay line, share a common ancestor who probably lived about 14 generations ago. The clan's chiefs are all related and so comparisons of Robert's results with the results of the other 3 chiefs confirm their shared lineage with the estimated number of generations to the most recent common ancestor ranging from 16 to 20. (You can find these statistics yourself using the project result tables. For directions, scroll down to the bottom of this message.) This is a very exciting result for Robert, because it ties Robert to the current clan chiefs AND their ancestors. All of the clan chiefs descend from the clan's founder, Somerled, in their male line. Because Somerled (1100 AD - 1164 AD) lived about 25 generations ago, he is almost certainly a male line ancestor of Robert, too. Robert is able to find very detailed information about the clan chiefs' lines using the After Somerled, Before Somerled, and History pages on the project website at http://dna-project.clan-donald-usa.org/. Since Robert received his results so recently, he has just begun to research his closest matches on the project tables. It is too soon to know whether he'll be able to fill in the gaps in his Somerled line quickly, but he's certainly off to a good start. Robert is very happy to share his experiences with the study. He writes, "I have found the entire experience very rewarding and exciting. For me, it is exciting to know that I am descended from Somerled and before that Norwegian Vikings. It makes ancient history seem very personal. I am looking forward to finding out, as more data becomes available, which part of the MacDonald Clan I am from. Also, possibly I will be able to identify other McConnells who I am closely related to, so that I can make more progress in finding my McConnell roots. I am interested in contacting any McConnells who participated in the study so we can start to identify who is related to whom." An enthusiastic McConnell researcher, Robert has started two websites to help McConnell researchers of all lines, and invites you to visit them at http://www.dsolar.com/mcconnel/ and http://www.mcconnell.com/. How to compare Robert's results with those of the other project participants 1) Go to the project results table for the group including Robert and the clan chiefs at http://dna-project.clan-donald-usa.org/tables.htm. The group is called Haplogroup R1a. (For an explanation of haplogroups, ask me, or check out the DNA Explained page and related links on the project website.) Robert and the clan chiefs are in the red subgroup at the top of the R1a results. 2) Scroll down to find him listed 50th on the R1a red subgroup table as R. C. McConnell. Click on his Clan Donald code, &TRS5T. This is the entry in the far left column on Robert's line of the chart. 3) You'll get a new window showing results for ALL project participants compared with Robert's results. You'll need to scroll down to find the R1a red subgroup table. Robert will be listed at the top and the 5th column of the table shows the statistic discussed earlier, the estimated Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor (TMRCA), in generations. Test results, also called allele values or marker values, are listed to the right of TMRCA. Allele values that differ from Robert's will be highlighted. TMRCA is calculated by comparing allele values. If two men's allele values are very similar, chances are that they shared a very recent common ancestor, and the TMRCA will be a small number. Conversely, if their allele values are not similar, the TMRCA will be a large number. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: t42GodleyIOOF_JohCoTX Surnames: McCONNELL Classification: cemetery Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2445/mb.ashx Message Board Post: McCONNELL_Iris_Derr_JENKINS.JPG Norman Guiling photographed this gravestone in the Godley IOOF Cemetery, Johnson Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records. This is one of the 172,420 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fjcoppage11 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2444.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My e-mail address is fjcoppage1@bellsouth.net. We need to compare McConnell notes. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bwc196 Surnames: McConnell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2444.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a John E. McConnell in my children's line from South Georgia. Their Grandmother was a McConnell and her great grandfather was John E. McConnell. If this is the same one, then I would love to correspond with you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.