This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lynnliz2003 Surnames: Eunice, McConnell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2444.3.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Geez.... I sent a lengthy reply to this... or thought I did. It's lost in space... or I am. Either way, I'll try again since nothing has appeared here all week. I went back and re-read all the census data I had. I don't find the seperation of Sr. and Jr. that you report, with one exception... I did find a John E. McConnel, Jr. listed on the 1850 Wilkinson Co., Ga census, Dw./Fm# 705, age-18, with wife Elizabeth. With the John McConly and his 16 year old son, John Etheridge McConly also on that census at Dw./Fm.# 808, it seems unlikely that the one listed as a junior is also a son of the older one. Now when I look at the McConnell marriage info for Wilkinson Co., it creates confusion. Compilers, 'Maddox & Carter' list three John McConnell's. There is the older one, married to Margaret Etheridge in 1825; and the John & Nancy married in 1856, you mentioned; and another John, that married Elizabeth Tindol in 1859. The later two are not listed as Jr.'s, but the compilers have added notes that they are both the "son of John McConnell and Margaret Etheridge". Seems strange that a couple would have a 16yr old son named John Etheridge, and a 18yr old son named John E. McConnell. Do you think there is a possibility that our John is actually the son of Larkin? So many mistakes exist in the recording of names and ages on the federal census back in those days! Note that our John - age 29 is living next door to Larkin - age 50, in 1860, and Solomon, age 24 is the next family. Back to the census... The John E. McConnell on the 1860 Wilkinson co. census is not listed as a Jr., but is listed with wife Nancy, and children: Moyan/Moryan (mistake by the enumerator)- age 9, John - age 3, and Nancy E. - age 1. The child you cite as a son named Morgan did not exist. This is "Mar-jan", a female. You'll note her poor name is also messed up on the 1870 census, but atleast they have her as a female. Oh, Nancy and children are in Lowndes Co. by the time of the 1870 census. Another spelling error by the enumerator is why you didn't find them. Nancy appears as the head of household # 1427, with "Barquin" (or something that looks like that, but here again it is her step-daughter, Mar-jan), age 20; John - age 13; Nancy - age 11; and William - age 8. Their last name is recorded as 'McConall' on that census. On the 1880 Lowndes Co. census, I show Nancy as the head of household #275/280, with Marja A. - 28 (again, this is Mar-jan), Elafare - 20 (Nancy Ellafare), & William - 19. Yes, son John is living next door with Lucinda and Walter. Thanks for the update on Mr. Coppage's name. The Lowndes County book of marriages only listed his name as "West". Have you checked the book, "Survey of Lowndes Co., Georgia Cemeteries, 1825-1987" for McConnell burials? My local library has mis-shelved their copy, but if they ever find it (!) I will look them up. The only John Mcconnell listed in the Cook Co. cemetery book is a John W. McConnell b. 8/16/1855, d. 12/28/1938 at Rountree Cem. You are right about the old markers.... so sad. By the way, Bartoe (brother of Nancy Eunice) is my great-grandfather. His given name was Barton Francis Eunice. His wife was the sister of William McConnell. Over the years I have heard some of the same stories that you read online about my Eunice line, but I'm unable to prove that line yet. My grandfather said his grandfather was Alex Eunice, so that's as far back as I have gone. I have read the Eunice surname in early colonial records from the 1600's, so I don't buy the story that some would have us believe about "all Eunice's in Georgia descend from the Nunez/Nunes families that came in 1733". Anyway, I'd like to resolve this family before I delve into another area. Please let me know what you think about the Larkin/John McConnell connection... Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ksaxe Surnames: McConnell, Downing, Ripper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2477/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I found the obit abstracted below in the Baltimore Sun for September 13, 2007. I don't know of any connection between this man and my own McConnell family. The full text of Baltimore Sun articles is available for free for two weeks at www.baltimoresun.com. I will save my clipping in case somebody is interested later. This long obituary contains a lot of biographical information on this Eagle Scout, World War II veteran , Air Force reservist, Korean War veteran, and corporate executive who enjoyed flying, golf, and playing the piano, Name James Roger McConnell Jr. Age 88 Place of death Johns Hopkins Hospital Residence at time of death Bel Air, MD Cause of death heart failure Birthplace Mansfield, OH Funeral : September 8, 2007 in Mansfield OH Religious affiliation: Member of Bel Air United Methodist Church Survivors son James R McConnell Jr. of Hagerstown MD, son Michael P McConnell of Phoenix, MD (in Baltimore County), daughter Karen Lee Downing of Akron, OH, sister Elsie McConnell Ripper of Sarasota, FL, five grandchildren, eight great-grandchildren Predeceased by wife, Patricia, in 1995 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fjcoppage1 Surnames: McConnell, Coppage, Eunice (Nunes/Nunez) Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2444.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Maggie McConnell, daughter of William Larkin and Nancy Nunez (Eunice) McConnell, married Leonard Wesley Coppage--not Leon Coppage. Leon was the oldest son of Leonard Wesley and Maggie McConnell Coppage. Leonard Wesley Coppage was a son of John Wesley Coppage. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: fjcoppage1 Surnames: McConnell, Nunes (Eunice), Brown Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2444.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ancesty.com shows in "Georgia Marriages 1699-1944" marriage of John McConnell to Nancy Brown on 24 Aug 1856 in Wilkinson County, Georgia. John E. McConnell, Sr. is listed as John McConly in the 1850 Wilkinson, County, GA census with wife, Margaret, and son, John Etheridge. John E. McConnell, Jr. and wife, Nancy, are listed in the 1860 Wilkinson County, GA census with children Morgan, male, age 9 (son of first wife, Elizabeth), and John age 3. In the 1870 census, Berrien County, GA, John McConnell, Sr. shows up with wife, Margaret, and two children still at home. I do not find Nancy in the 1870 census at all. I do find her in the 1880 Lowndes County, GA census, without husband, John, Jr. but with her step-son (Morgan) by John Jr's first wife, Elizabeth, and Nancy and John's two children, Ellafare and William (my husband's great grandfather). Was John E. McConnell, Jr. killed in Civil War? Nancy Brown McConnell's son, John McConnell and his wife, Lucinda, are also in the Lowndes, 1880 census. (I am pretty sure this is John, Jr. and Nancy's son.) Nancy Brown McConnell's son, William Larkin McConnell, is in the Lowndes, 1900 census, with wife, Nancy Eunice (Nunez), and family. The daughter, Maggie, listed is my husband's grandmother. She married Leon Coppage. William Larkin McConnell and wife, Nancy Eunice McConnell, are buried at Fellowship cemetery in Cook County, GA. I have not found John E., Jr. and his Nancy's burial place. Sadly, many graves of our ancestors are not marked. Most could not afford proper markers. The wooden markers that so many used are long gone. Also, in the 1900, Lowndes census, is Larkin J. McConnell, and his wife, Phoebe, and family. I believe him to be a brother of John E. McConnell, Jr. and son of John, Sr. This family is buried in the Friendship Cemetery, near Hahira, GA. I just checked my Eunice folder and found a picture I took of Bartoe and Ella Eunice's headstones. They are indeed in Fellowship cemetery in Cook County. If you descend from the Eunices, you must google the Nunes/Nunez family and read about this family. THIS IS REALLY A STORY! I think I read that Nancy Brown was born in SC. I have heard the Indian story also, but have not been able to document it. It may have come from the Nunes/Nunez heritage. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: lynnliz2003 Surnames: McConnell, Eunice, McCoy, Coombs Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2444.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I descend from John & Nancy McConnell via their daughter, Nancy Ellafare ("Ella") McConnell. Could you please share your source for 'BROWN' being Nancy's maiden name, as well as John being a JR. These are new interesting tid-bits of info for me. My grandfather's family believed Nancy to have been of Cherokee descent. Do you have any info regarding her heritage, and would you know if this family moved to Lowndes Co., GA from Macon Co., GA, or South Carolina? Also, does your research show her place of burial? Oral family history has her buried next to Ella, at Fellowship Cemetery in Cook Co., GA, but she is not listed in the Cook Co. Cem. book.... but then neither was Ellafare, and she is most assuredly buried there. Do you know the name of John's first wife, and was Nancy (#1) and Mar-jan the only children of that union? Do you show any children other than John, Nancy(#2) Ellafare, and William ("Billy")born to John & Nancy? I can provide the names of the children born to Nancy Ellafare McConnell and Bartoe Eunice, but none for her sibblings. I'm looking forward to learning more about this family. Liz Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: yolanda1112 Surnames: McConnell, Kane Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2476/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My Grandad was Edward Patrick McConnell born 1912ish in the Manchester, England area. I am trying to trace back is family line but not getting far. I believe he was born in Manchester, and then his family moved to Northern Ireland. He and one of his brothers then went to Dublin where he met and married my Grandmother Bridget Kane. They went on to have 8 children. I think Grandad had a brother Jack who may have had somthing to do with newspapers, and perhaps a brother John. Any thing would help! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ksaxe Surnames: McConnell, Donald Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2475/mb.ashx Message Board Post: More on RG and FTDNA Conversion Options In my previous post about testing options that McConnells and other men with some indication of Clan Donald ancestry might use to join the Clan Donald DNA project, I said that, "Unfortunately, the testing options that FTDNA [Familytree DNA] and RG [Relative Genetics] offer for those with test results from their competitors are nearly as expensive as starting from scratch." Fortunately, that may not always be the case. In some cases the regular rates offered by RG for conversions do offer a decent discount. It turns out that FTDNA has occasionally offered promotional rates for conversions from other companies. The last such promotion ended on August 15th. It was not offered to individuals whose only results were from the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF), but it was available to individuals tested by Relative Genetics, DNA Heritage, Oxford Ancestors, and Genebase. This promotion was not easy to find on the FTDNA site, but Leah Wark of FTDNA posted announcements of the promotion on FTDNA's DNA and Genealogy and Group Administrators forums on July 11. The discount was substantial. Thanks go to Bob Stafford of the DNA-Genealogy list for helping me find this information. You can find the forums where FTDNA's announcement was posted here: http://www.familytreedna.com/forum The posts have a link to the following form with details including pricing: http://www.familytreedna.com/pdf/promo_gap.pdf Whether you could use that form now, weeks after the official closing date of the promotion, I do not know. Leah Wark's posts said that such promotions had been offered in the past and were back by popular demand. So it wouldn't hurt to ask. If that doesn't work... Earlier posts on the DNA-Genealogy list suggest that at times some individuals may have been able to go through an unusual process of ordering some panels of markers with FTDNA and only paying for some of those. This would allow them to receive results for some of FTDNA's panels of markers that were of interest to them at the normal prices for upgrades by FTDNA customers, which are lower than the prices for conversion options. One individual who was interested in this option had previous test results for 12 markers from FTDNA, 43 markers tested through RG, and 5 tested through DNA Fingerprint. From the posts that I saw, it was not clear to me whether or not this sort of option has ever been available to people who had never been tested by FTDNA before. To learn more about this option, check out the following message in the DNA-Genealogy list archives along with others on the same thread: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2007-06/1180828296 These messages were posted recently, but if the process worked smoothly, the poster probably has test results now. If you are interested in any sort of FTDNA conversion, you may wish to contact FTDNA and/or the individuals on the DNA-Genealogy list to learn more. Kirsten Saxe Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Heppsy66 Surnames: McConnell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2474/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I wish someone would tell me where SUSAN.GILMORE McCONNELL who used to live in Hillside Terrace HOWTH IRELAND until about 18 months 2 years ago, is living now. I need to get in touch with her, so please help me, If you know her please tell me. Thanks, Heather Graham, Worthing,West Sussex, UK Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JacMcMahon Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2454.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Derry City, No Ireland has a wonderful genealogy library. You may want to contact them about early records. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ksaxe Surnames: McConnell, MacConnell, McDaniel, McDonald, MacDonald Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2471.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorenson Solution Here is how I would figure out the Sorenson test results for the two McConnell men in the Sorenson database, given the hints included in the last post. First, I went to the Sorenson Y-DNA search page and searched for McConnell men using the FTDNA lab standard and the Sorenson default values just as I suggested. This gave me a screen showing which of the two men's test results matched the default values. Then I printed out the search results and went to the Clan Donald project results tables. On the results screen, there is a little icon for a pedigree chart. If you click on it and check his pedigree, you will see that Sorenson McConnell #1's McConnell line has South Carolina roots, so I'll refer to him as the SC McConnell or SC from here on out. I scrolled down to the I1c Red table, and started to compare the matching values for the SC McConnell. He has a 13 on the first marker, and the modal for the chart is 15, so it doesn't seem likely that the SC McConnell is in that group. The next matching value for SC is on one of the 385 markers, which I said were confusing, so I would expect a beginner to ignore that match. The next matches with default values are on markers 426, 388, 439, and 389-1 where he has the values 12, 12, 12, and 13, respectively. The I1c Red modal values are 11, 13, 11, and 13. Only 1 match out of these 4 convinces us that we need to look at another table. The next table with McConnells is the R1a Red table. The SC McConnell and the modal match at the first marker, DYS 393, but the values at 426, 388, 439, and 389-1 on this table are 12, 12, 10, and 14. 2 matches out of these 4 mean it's time to try another table. The third table with McConnells is the R1b Red table. Again the value at DYS 393 matches, and in this case the values at 426, 388, 439, and 389-1 match, too. The next value where the SC McConnell matches the Sorenson default value is DYS 389-2, where he has a 29. This does not match the R1b Red modal. If you look at the next several markers, you'll see that SC matched the default values of 17, 9, 10, 11, 11, 25, and 15, while the R1b Red modals for those markers are 18, 9, 10, 11, 11, 25, and 15. This seems like a pretty good match so far, but I am emphasizing the values that we know because they match the defaults. If you also look at the mismatches for clues you will notice some places (390, 19/394, 392, and others) where the default values and R1b Red modals match and SC mismatches both of them. So it makes sense to look at the R1b Green table. The R1b Green modals match SC and the default values at 393, 426, 388, 439, 389-1, 389-2, 458, 459 a and b, 455, 454, 447, and 437. There is a mismatch at the third marker, 394/19. It makes sense to check the R1b Yellow table, too. We don't know SC's value at the second marker, 390, but we can see that he mismatches the R1b Yellow modal of 24 since it is the same as the default value and there is no match. The R1b Green and Yellow modals are very similar, and it helps to look at the markers where SC mismatches the Sorenson default values and compare both modals to guess which chart SC would be on if he were to join the project. You might also just plug in the modals for both charts and see which work best. Using the first approach, you would see that the R1b Green modal at the second marker (390) is 25 and the R1b Yellow modal there is 24, with SC mismatching the default value and R1b Yellow modal of 24. The Green and Yellow modals also mismatch at 385b, which is a confusing marker. It does turn out that SC matches the Green modal at this marker, too. The Green and Yellow modals also mismatch at 392, where he mismatches the default value and Yellow modal of 13. So if you go through this comparison, ! you would try the Green modals first. If you input the Green modal values that you find on the tables and leave the markers that you can't find modals for at the default values, you will have just five mismatches left. If you input the Yellow modal values, you will have ten mismatches. You could spend a little while looking for modal values for some of the markers that aren't in FTDNA's 37 marker set, because the Clan Donald project tables do include values for many of them scattered on the right hand side OR you could just concentrate on the first 30 FTDNA markers. It turns out that the Green modal values for the additional markers match the Sorenson default values anyway. Looking at the first 30 FTDNA markers, you would still find that the Green modal is the best match . The mismatches are at 394/19, 464b, 460, and 456. There is another mismatch at marker 461, which is not a standard FTDNA marker. In each case, SC is just one off the modal value, so it is very easy to find these values by following the hint! to check values one above or one below the modal first. The only slightly tricky one is 464b. If you take the hint to try guessing the same number at 464a, 464b, 464c, and 464d and you start to try the modal values of 15, 16, and 17, you will find that the value of 15 appears twice, not once as it does in the modals. You might at that point realize that SC's values are 15, 15, 16, and 17, or you might conclude that after trying the values of 16 and 17 and finding that each occurs just once. The values that don't match the Green modal are 13 at 394/19, 15 at 464b, 12 at 460, 18 at 456, and 13 at 461. So SC's haplotype for the first 30 markers as reported by FTDNA, the Clan Donald tables, and the Sorenson database search results (Sorenson database searched using FTDNA lab standard and reading values a column at a time, left to right) is: 13-25-13-11-11-13-12-12-12-13-14-29- 17-9-10-11-11-25-15-18-30-15-15-16-17-12-11-19-23-18 The order used by FTNDA and the Clan Donald project tables is different from the order used in the Sorenson database. The next two markers in the Sorenson results are 442 (FTDNA #36) and 438 (FTDNA #37), where SC has a 12 for both values. Next are a series of Sorenson markers where his values are 12, 13, 13 (this one is 461, where SC mismatches the modal), 11, 13, 23, 10, 13, 12, 30, and 24. So the SC McConnell matches the Niall modal haplotype just as Keith McConnell does. It was interesting to compare their results. Of the 32 markers for which both men have results, 28 match. This suggests a common ancestor about 20 generations ago, (calculated using Doug McDonald's TMRCA Calculator) around the time surnames were adopted in many areas. It turns out that choosing the proper table for the second Sorenson McConnell is easier because he matches so many of the first 12 markers. It's easy to see that his is not a close match for the I1c Red or R1a Red groups. He is a very good match for the R1b Red group and a good match for the R1b Green and Yellow groups, which is not surprising because these groups are pretty close. If you look at his mismatch with the default value at 389-2, you see that the default value matches the Green and Yellow groups and mismatches the R1b Red modal, which supports the idea that he belongs to the R1b Red group. Using the R1b Red modal values from the table (and the Sorenson default value for the one Sorenson marker that you can't find a value for), you will find just 5 mismatches, at markers 385 (maybe 385a, maybe 385b), 437, 464 (may be a, b, c, or d), 446, and 635. The values for 437, 446, and 635 are all relatively easy to find because they are single location markers and his va! lues are one off from the input values. I say input values instead of modal values here, because there is no modal value on the table for 635, which is a Sorenson marker. There are a number of ways that you could go to find the results for the remaining markers. If you followed the hint to look at the values for other McConnells and MacConnells in the chart, you would find the value for 385a is 12, not the modal value of 11, rather quickly. This method would also help you zero in on the value of 16 at 437 rather quickly, if you didn't already know that value. If you try guessing the values 15 and 17 at 464 a, b, c, and d, you will see clearly that this man is a 15 at one of these locations and a 17 at two of them. If you made the best guess of 16 for the 4th location, you would see that he is a 16 at one location, making his sequence of values at 464 15, 16, 17, 17. If you decided at any point to try the values for F. G. MacConnell on the R1b Red chart, you would find that ! this man is a perfect match and you wouldn't have to do any more guess ing at all! The first 30 values for the second man (whose McConnell line has roots in NY) are: 13-24-14-10-12-14-12-12-12-13-13-30- 18-9-10-11-11-25-16-19-30-15-16-17-17-11-12-19-24-16 The next two markers as reported by Sorenson when using the FTDNA lab standard (FTDNA markers 36 and 37) are 12-12. The remaining markers in the order given by Sorenson have the values 11, 12, 11, 11, 13, 24, 10, 13, 12, 30, and 24. So the NY McConnell is another descendant of the royal house of the ancient kingdom of Dalriada. He, his perfect match F. G. MacConnell, their very close match J. MacConnell, and the two McConnells on the chart form a nice, tight subgroup within the R1b Red group. I have even wondered if this McConnell and F. G. MacConnell are one and the same person. There are 10 men named McDonald or MacDonald in the Sorenson database, 2 named McDaniel, and some others with MacDonald variant surnames. It would be interesting to see how their results compare to those of men in the Clan Donald DNA project. Possibly some of them are already members, but it might be nice to try to make contact with some of these men and suggest that they join if they are not already in the project. If you have test results and find that any of these men are close matches, you might want to attempt to make contact using clues in their pedigree files and online resources. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nicenonya2 Surnames: Cameron McConnell Gossert Meffert Walker Poffenbeger Foesig Riegel Eastwood Vogel Burris Rush Williams Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2472.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 6/19/1913 letter from Samuel Riegel Lebanon Co.,PA Both Mary Williams Cameron wife of Henry,and Henry Nelson Cameron died in 1911 Mrs. Sarah (Cameron) Young Niles,Michigan Lebanon PA June 10 1913 My dear Cousin It was a great pleasure to me several days ago to receive your welcome letter. The letter you refer to that I wrote to your father was not answered. Cousin Olivia kept me well informed at the time and I knew of the great loss you sustained by the death of your mother. And realizing the issues the had to be met during the accident, sickness and death of a beloved parent, and the new cares that had to be met of an aged father. You all had my sincere sympathy on account of my past experience. It was truly gratifying to me to read in your letter of the distribution your father made of his property and of the nice feeling pervading among the children. Since March 11, I have Uncle Joseph McConnell at home. He was twelve weeks in the hospital. His first thought, when leaving the hospital, was to take rooms at the nearest hotel to the Homestead, but on inquiry, I found all the rooms taken and they could only take him as a border. That was not satisfactory. I secured a private boarding place across the street from the "Homestead," and I suggested starting the fires and making the house comfortable, and to stay with Uncle at night as long as necessary. I have been doing this to the present and uncle is well cared for. He has a slight indisposition for a few days, but is doing nicely at present. His great trouble is weakness. We were fortunate in securing a good boarding place. Uncle enjoys his meals and rests well, sleeps well at night. I am heartily glad you referred to the matter of genealogy to me, because there are not as many who are informed, besides while Uncle Joseph is still living, I can consult with him. I am sorry not to have something real nice for you daughter to help her being eligible to the societies referred to (DAR). Our ancestors were of the peaceful but nevertheless bestcitizens. Uncle Tommy Cameron was an honorably discharged soldier of the Civil War, and on special occasions wore badges and credentials enough for the whole "Friend-Schaft." I will now answer your Grandmother Cameron's maiden name. Uncle Joseph Cameron's wifes maiden name Bories/Burris?. Polly Bories(Burris?). Uncle Tommy Cameron spoke of a brother of your Grandmother, Joseph Bories(Burris?). My Grandmother McConnel's father's name was Lewis "Ludwig" Cameron. His wifes' family name was Wolf. There are immediate relatives living at the Wolf homestead and own the place. I visit there. Grandmother McConnel, Polly May, the eldest, Catherine (Aunty Vogel) were the two daughters of the first marriage. John, the eldest son and Joseph, Your Grandfather were the children of the first marriage. Uncle John Cameron mentioned, may have drifted into the war of the Revolution. It was he of whom I wrote to your father that one day while your grandfather, Joseph Cameron, was out along the Juniata he was addressed by a voice from the opposite of the river, and looking in the direction of the voice saw a man. Uncle Joseph Cameron was addressed "Brother Joe, is tha! t you?" Answered "Yes is that you brother John?" Uncle Joseph Cameron hurriedly made his way to his boat, and crossed the river to meet his brother. And in his own language met on one. If the earth had opened and swallowed him, he would not more effectually been out of sight. You of course know when Uncle Joseph Cameron went west as a pioneer in his own equipment, all of the family but your father who had preceded the rest, were overtaken by sickness(Cholera) and had three funerals in five days. Uncle Joe's wife, daughter Catherine (Mrs. Rush) and her husband. The latter, Cousin Mae Williams Grandparents. While my Grandparents were still living in the country, your Grandmother Cameron with your father, Cousin Henry Nelson Cameron, visited by grandparents at their home. My mother (86 years), your father, and Uncle Tommy Cameron were near the same age. Family name of the second wife Gossert, Aunt Betsy (who died with us) the eldest Sarah, married to a man named Long. Lydia ma! rried to Meffert. Third wife Maria Walter. Simon Cameron the eldest of this marriage. Noah, Louisa (married to Foesig), and Tommy Cameron. My birth date was Sept. 4, 1845. May following Great Grandfather Ludwig Cameron visited my Grandparents at Lebanon and I have the honor of being carried out of the house first time bare headed by him. Grandmother McConnel always spoke of your father by using his full name Henry Nelson Cameron. My Grandparents were in touch with Uncle Joseph Cameron (Your Grandfather) and were informed of their preparations to go west and received letters when they were overtaken by sickness and death. Before starting for the west, Great Grandfather Ludwig Cameron with his family and Uncle Joseph Cameron (your grandfather) lived near together, near East Salem. Uncle Noah Cameron was already married. So was Uncle Simon Cameron. Uncle Tommy Cameron was living home most of the time with his parents. Grandfather Ludwig Cameron was a shoemaker by trade and a useful man in the Community.He had given much attention to tree culture ! and raising fruit.Skilled in Grafting. when Uncle Adam McConnel and Uncle Joseph McConnel (brothers) were on a visit at Thompsontown, they were shown by Father Evans a worthy resident of Thompsontown, grafted in Mr. Evans orchard and posts and fencing set by Great Grandfather Ludwig Cameron. Mr. Evans spoke in highest praise of Great Grandfather Cameron as a friend and neighbor and a useful citizen. When Uncle Noah Cameron died, the two uncles (McConnel) were at the funeral. It was said of Uncle Noah Cameron that he was worth more in the community than some others that might be named by the dozen. All of Uncle Noah Cameron's family are well to do, and are in possession of the homestead. Two of the sons within the last year have gone to Florida and bought land with the purpose of making their home there. One of Uncle Tommy Cameron's daughters (Mrs. Sarah Walker) lives at Post Falls, Idaho. They have a farm of 160 acres, and have set an orchard of over 700 choice fruit trees.! I had a letter from Cousin Sarah last fall stating they had 800 choic e apples in boxes ready to be shipped. Cousin Emma Poffenbeger, a sister of Mrs. Walker and her husband are looking forward to making a trip to Post Falls,Idaho. And when they accomplish it, expect to stop at Niles, Mich. Great grandfather Cameron was a deeply religious man. The last time he visited Lebanon, when I was an infant, Uncle Joseph McConnel know of this visit, and when he left Lebanon, Uncle Jacob McConnel, Uncle Adam McConnel and Uncle Joe took G. Grandfather Cameron to Highspire with Grandfather McConnel's horse and carriage to visit Uncle and Aunty Vogel. When Great Grandfather Cameron visited Lebanon last time, Great Grandmother McConnel was still living. She was a very intelligent woman, and at that time considered an educated lady. It is said that she and father Cameron spent much time in social intercourse talking over the future and religious matters,, and their parting was never forgotten. My Grandmother McConnel persuaded her father while on this visit to attend catechetical lecture in our church, conducted by our Pastor, Rev. Henry Wagner, he was deeply impressed and remarked of Pastor Wagner when he came home "Er is ein guten Lehrer" I can not tell you what a comfort it is to me to receive your letter. Trusting it will be of help to you and your daughter, if there is anything I have not mentioned call my attention to it and any information I can give, you shall have cheerfully. My youngest daughter, Rhoda, is very much interested in knowing of the past and means to profit by it, while Uncle Joseph McConnel and I are ! still here to give her information. She is a teacher at Cornwall, and enjoying her vacation and a much needed rest. It would be a great comfort to me to have your daughter write to Rhoda with the hope that they will become correspondents. Please remember us kindly to the relatives at Niles,MI and South Bend,IN. I expect to hear from some of you coming East this summer. Great Grandfather Cameron is buried at East Salem near where they lived before your Grandfather Joseph Cameron went west. His first wife is buried at Kimmerlings Church little more than three miles from Lebanon. Father Cameron's parents came into the U.S. by way of Canada. In their travels, his mother carried him Indian fashion on her back. Later his father returned to Canada. The mother with her little boy drifted into Lancaster Co. Pa where they lived on a farm with a kind family, when the poor little boy, our Great Grandfather, was forsaken by his mother, who also returned to Canada. The family with whom they were living kept the little boy, and in time he made his way into Lebanon Co. He learned the shoemaker trade at Stumpstown, now Fredericksburg, by Jacob Buchananyer. He prospered at his trade and married into a respected family near Kimmerlings Church by the name of Wolf. His first wife died when the children were young, so small that their father lifted them to see their mother in the coffin.Some of our immeditate relatives still live at Kimmerlings's Church and are highly respected and prosperous people. Hoping to hear from you soon,trusting this message will find you enjoying good health.All of us join in love to you all. Your Cousin, Samuel Riegel After writing this letter,my youngest daughter expressed so much interest in it,that I gave it to her to make extracts from it.She wishes me to give her all the information and help her formulate it into a family tree.In a local history some years ago there is a brief sketch of Samuel Riegel,tracing briefly genealogy on the paternal and maternal side of the Palatinate in "The Fatherland".When daughter Rhoda has a little more leisure I will ask her to make you a copy and send it to you.I was looking for a card sent to me by cousin Sarah Walker of Post Falls,Idaho giving the picture of a squaw,carrying a babe on her back.She was employed by the Government of Washington as a guide to surveyors in surveying a Gov't Route across the mountains.And they have erected a bronze statue in her memory,in Idaho.In bringing Uncle home from the hospital,this card has been misplaced. After all this delay,for which I ask your pardon,I will mail this letter,with the hope of hearing from ou soon.I am in error when I say Uncle Jacob,Adam and Joseph McConnel took Gr. Grandfather Cameron to Highspire.That was another occasion.Grandfather and Grandmother McConnel and Uncle Joseph McConnel have the honor on this last visit. Would be pleased to have your daughter write of the information she has been able to gather. True copy of letter written by Samuel Riegel to Sarah Cameron Young on 6/19/1913 letter notarized on 6/21/1954 by Maude Young Umholtz R.R 4 box 74,Niles,Michigan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: nicenonya2 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2472/mb.ashx Message Board Post: letter from Samuel Reigel of 928 Walnut St. Lebanon,PA to Henry N. Cameron of Niles,MI Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ksaxe Surnames: McConnell, McConnel, MacConnell, McDonald Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2471/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Ready to try extracting some test results from the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF) database? Here are some tips: 1)You can go directly to the Sorenson Y-database search page at http://www.smgf.org/ychromosome/search.jspx. 2)The first option on the search page is to choose a lab standard. For reasons that will become clear later, choose the FTDNA lab standard. 3)The second option on the search page is the search type. Choose the search by surname option and type "mcconnell" in the box. 4)You have to enter possible test values for comparison to do the search. The easiest way to get started is to click the "Default Values" button at the top of the Values section of the search page. SMGF has determined which allele values are most common for each marker in their database and those values will be entered in the appropriate boxes. NOTE: In some cases, people will have access to test results to use as clues. The person whose results they are trying to extract may have been tested outside SMGF, or they may have test results from a known or suspected male line relative. They would enter those test results at this point, because it might save them a lot of work. Example: John and David McConnell suspect that they are cousins, but they haven't been able to prove it. David has test results from FTDNA, and some of John's Sorenson test results have just been added to the Sorenson database. John would enter David's test results into the search boxes, and they would prob! ably match on more markers than the default values would. If John and David mismatch on more than a few markers, John would then try using the "Default Values" button, first noting the matches that he did find with David's results, and then altering any default values to match on the markers that match for John and David before hitting the search button. 5)You're ready to hit that search button. The default values match the tested allele values for the 2 McConnells on about two thirds of the markers for each man. You may want to print out the results page, write down the values, or open another window in your browser and repeat the default values search so that you can have the 25 or so matching values handy. 6)The project results tables already have results posted for 17 McConnells, and they fall on just 5 of the tables. Test results for other McConnells are likely to link them to one of those 5 tables. By comparing the results that you've already found for the 2 McConnells with the modals for each of the 5 tables, you may be able to guess where the Sorenson McConnells would fall on the tables. To do this, open another browser window and go to the project tables at http://dna-project.clan-donald-usa.org/tables.htm. The tables with McConnells are the I1c Red, R1a Red, R1b Red, R1b Green, and R1b Yellow tables. This is when the use of the FTDNA Lab Standard parameter in the Sorenson database becomes helpful. For the first 30 FTDNA markers, the FTDNA standard (working columnwise) gives the allele values in the order used by FTDNA, which is the same as the order on the left side of the tables. Beyond 30 markers, the order is a little mixed up, with some FTDNA markers listed out of t! he FTDNA order, and some Sorenson only markers mixed in. You will probably be able to correctly guess the right tables by looking at those markers within the first 30 that match the default values. 7)If you think that you have identified the tables containing the closest relatives of these men, find your mismatches from the first search and substitute the modal values for one of the tables if they are different from the mismatched default values. If you have correctly identified the table where you would find one of these men, this should improve your results further for that man. CAUTION: The search results page is ordered by closeness of match to the input values. If you input values that more closely match the second McConnell on the results page than the first, the next search page will list them in reverse order. This can be confusing if you're not expecting it, so watch out for it! This is one reason to keep a copy of your initial search results handy and you may want to save a copy of the the results of your second search as well. 8)Now concentrate on the test results for the man who most closely matches the values you input for the second search. For the small number of markers that you still haven't matched, check the values for any McConnell men in the same table. If they are different from your last input values for those markers, trying them may result in more matches. Other variations of this technique are to check values for some of the closest spelling variants such as McConnel, MacConnell, and McDonald in the same table, and to look at values for the man in the table who appears to be the closest match for the man in the database. 9)Sometimes you will need to guess allele values. When you have to do this, start by checking the values closest to the modal for the group, if you know the modal. If not, you can start with values in the middle range for the marker, i.e., if marker values range from 10 to 16 for marker 393, and you have eliminated the value 13, you could try 12 and 14 before trying the other values. Some markers, like 385a and 385b and 463a, 463b, 463c, and 463d, are a little tricky. The standard tests don't really distinguish between the markers in these groupings, and the Sorenson database results pages handle them in a confusing way. For beginners trying to figure out results for these markers, it is simplest to successively guess the same number at all locations. Example: You are trying to figure out your values at 459a and 459b. You seem to match people on the R1b Yellow table, and the modal value for 459a is 11 and the modal value for 459b is 14. Try guessing 11 for both 459a and 459b! first. If you get two matches, you're done. If you get one match, then you know that you have a value of 11 at one of the markers. Now try guessing 14 for both markers. If you get two matches, you're done, and if you get one match, you know you have a 14 at one of the markers. So if you have an 11 at one marker and a 14 at the other, then you are done. If not, try the whole number values close to the modals before trying some of the other values, which would be more unusual. So you would try 10, 12, 13, and 15 before trying the other possibilities. As soon as you have two matching values, you are done. Once you are done, choose the smaller value for 459a and the larger value for 459b. By doing so you are following a convention; if you mistakenly input the values in the wrong order, the Sorenson match page will still report that you matched, but when you go to compare results elsewhere, you will mismatch with others following the convention. You should be able to find the values for both men using these steps, and if you have experience using the project tables and keep track of your guesses and results, you probably won't take nearly as long as I did. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have my McConnel line all the way back to the mid 1800's, but, being female, do not know if it would work or not with the DNA. I do have a male relative whom I have forwarded the information to, but, either he didn't get it or he doesn't want to participate. Is there a way the females can give DNA to make the line more "friendly"? -- Margaret Sessions -------------- Original message -------------- From: mcconnell-request@rootsweb.com > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to > change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject > to which you are replying. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:47:43 -0000 > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" > Subject: [McConnell] Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation > To: > Message-ID: <1187394465.141047@rootsweb.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: ksaxe > Surnames: McConnell, McConnel, MacConnell > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2470/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Another testing option and a database with McConnells and other Clan Donalds > > I recently learned more about an option for free DNA testing. This testing is > offered by the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF), and most > genealogists would qualify to participate. This option has been around for a > while, but there has been a lot of confusion about it among genealogists who > might otherwise have participated, and many genealogists have probably never > even heard of Sorenson. > > Some of the confusion concerns the requirements for participation. In order > to participate, an individual must submit a four generation chart showing their > personal ancestry. The chart may have some blanks, as long as it includes all > information known to the submitter, but it MUST include information on some > individuals born before 1900. The information on the chart becomes a part of the > Sorenson database and remains in the database unless and until a participant > decides to leave the study. This is a public database posted on the internet, so > the information on individuals born after 1899 will not be posted. > > Second, SMGF does not report results directly to participants, but > participants and other interested individuals can extract them from the > database. This usually takes some guesswork, but it is not extremely difficult. > Smart people have thought about the number of possible sets of test results and > concluded that the process would be so time-consuming that it wouldn't be > practical, but because any correct guesses for individual markers are reported > as matches for those markers, it is possible to deduce the values for the > different markers individually. > > I recently extracted the test results for the two McConnell men in the > Sorenson database, and this probably took me more than two hours because I was > inexperienced. By thinking through the process, I learned some things that would > make it much easier for me to do the same thing again. If you are interested in > using the Sorenson database or just like puzzles, look for my follow-up post. > > What tests are performed by SMGF has also not always been clear to many of > us. Until recently, I thought that Sorenson was only testing Y-DNA for 12 > markers, because that is what another genealogist told me. SMGF uses all of the > Relative Genetics (RG) markers, because SMGF and Relative Genetics are both > connected with Sorenson Genomics, the lab owned by SMGF founder James Sorenson. > Currently, the SMGF web site says that SMGF is working to increase the number of > tested markers for Sorenson participants to 34 or more. This is good news, > because Sorenson counts some multiple site markers such as 464a, 464b, 464c, and > 464d as one marker. This reduces the set of 43 Relative Genetics markers to 37 > SMGF markers, so SMGF participants will have results for almost all of the 43 > Relative Genetics markers when this work is completed. > > Sorenson tends to process SMGF samples in batches testing a limited number of > markers at a time, and posts results as they become available. Sometimes the > time between updates of the database adding results for additional markers for > an individual is quite long. So some men's results have probably been posted for > 12 markers and further results weren't posted for a long time. Since the > Sorenson web site doesn't say very much about what markers are tested, many > people may have concluded that their Sorenson testing was complete before it > really was, and this has caused some confusion. Even if an individual noticed > that other men in the database had test results for more markers than they had > for themselves, they might have assumed that those men had paid for more markers > to be tested by Relative Genetics. Relative Genetics previously offered coupons > for reduced price reporting of results directly to SMGF participants, and this > contributed to the confusion. > > SMGF testing is not confined to the Y-chromosome used by the Clan Donald DNA > study. Men and women may both test through SMGF, which tests mitochondrial and > autosomal DNA for all participants and Y-DNA for men. Sorenson's mitochondrial > DNA database is quite large, and anyone with mitochondrial DNA results will want > to use it. Test results for autosomal DNA, which is DNA on chromosomes other > than the X and Y, will be entered into an upcoming Sorenson database. > > One big advantage of the use of free testing by Sorenson is that it allows > genealogists to contemplate testing for ourselves and many more relatives from > our brick wall families than most of us could afford to have tested at our own > expense. > > Are there disadvantages to this free testing? Yes, of course. Results > generally take at least nine months to be posted on the existing databases. > Often no results are posted for at least a year, and complete results may not be > posted for two years or more. If you're considering testing for yourself or a > family member who is patient and healthy, this may not be a great concern. If > you're trying to find out how you are related to a large number of families of > the same surname or geographic origin, this option may help you recruit members > of those families to test, but the discovery of any DNA matches which might lead > to further testing will not come before results are posted. Since some lines > "daughter out" or die out, leaving nobody to test, there will probably be a few > cases where DNA results and other research lead to interest in the DNA of men > who might have participated, but died during the wait for results. > > For project administrators, inputting data from other companies may not allow > them to cut and paste the results into the project tables, which is what they > are usually able to do with results from FTDNA. This is not a big drawback, but > since Sorenson results often come in big batches, there may be some slight > delays in posting results to the project tables if a number of men are added > from the Sorenson database at the same time. In a few cases, it may be possible > for project administrators to extract some results, but individuals opting to > join projects using Sorenson results should try to extract results for > themselves or with the help of other contacts if at all possible. (Exception: > Administrators of some projects may be willing and able to help you with this > process, but you should not count on this until you have checked with them.) I > would be willing to help McConnells, McConnels, MacConnells, and as many others > interested in joining the Clan Donald project as I ha! > ve time to help with this process, but would hope that all individuals would > see how far they can get with the extraction before seeking assistance. > > As noted previously the set of markers used by Sorenson and Relative Genetics > is not identical to the standard set used by FTDNA, so some markers from the two > sets cannot be compared. There is a lot of overlap between the two sets of > markers, and in many cases, the common markers will be enough to answer > genealogists' questions. When more information is needed, FTDNA customers have > the option of testing for the missing Sorenson/RG markers through FTDNA's > advanced orders at a reasonable cost or by testing through SMGF or RG, and men > with Sorenson and RG test results have the option of testing with FTDNA to get > results for FTDNA markers not in the Sorenson set. Unfortunately, the testing > options that FTDNA and RG offer for those with results from their competitors > are nearly as expensive as their standard tests. In some cases, the use of SMGF > markers would answer questions that FTDNA's standard tests alone won't, and > participation of men tested with SMGF will be a real boon! > if it leads men who originally tested with FTDNA and would benefit from using > the Sorenson markers to discover them. > > Some individuals may not wish to share their pedigree charts for any number > of reasons that I think most of us already know, while others will find it > advantageous to have their DNA results and pedigree charts together online. I > recently saw a post to the Rootsweb DNA genealogy list from a person who was > anxious to have their pedigree and DNA results posted together in the SMGF > database because other researchers claiming common ancestry had results that > didn't match. This researcher was sure that the others had made mistakes and > wanted later researchers to be able to see good data along with the bad, giving > them a better chance of successfully tracking their lines. > > One other possible area of concern is easily addressed prior to the > submission of the pedigree chart and sample to SMGF. For you and your surname > project administrators to use your results with confidence, you must be able to > identify them in the Sorenson database. In many cases, this won't be a problem, > because you'll probably be the only person with an identical pedigree chart in > the database. However, if your brother also joins the Sorenson study, you will > need to be able to distinguish between his results and yours. If your father's > brother married one of your mother's sisters and you have a male cousin from > this line testing, then your posted pedigrees should be identical unless one of > your parents or his parents was born early enough for their first name to be > included in the database, and you will also have to do something to distinguish > your entries in the Sorenson database. It is unlikely, but possible, that your > posted pedigree in the database would match that o! > f a total stranger. If you have some uncommon surnames among grandparents and > great-grandparents born before 1900 in small towns, you probably don't need to > worry about this. But if your only great grandparents born before 1900 were a > John Smith and Mary Jones who were born in NY, you should take some precautions > to make your Sorenson pedigree identifiable. > > How would you make your Sorenson pedigree identifiable? Since your 4 > generation chart is supposed to be as complete as possible, it should have the > same information on your recent common ancestors as the charts of any relatives > who participate in the study, unless you have new or conflicting information > about your ancestry. However, Sorenson allows and encourages the submission of > information on the ancestry of the great grandparents of participants, and > includes this information in the database. By randomly selecting some, but not > all of these ancestors to include in your submitted information, you should be > able to make your Sorenson pedigree distinguishable from the rest. Just record > carefully the information you submit so that you may refer to it later. It may > be possible for those who have previously submitted their information to SMGF > and want to make it distinguishable to do so by submitting additional data, but > I have not researched this possibility. > > Testing through SMGF is a viable way to join the Clan Donald DNA project, > just as testing with for-profit companies is. Researchers interested in testing > will need to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of each of these options, > taking into account the information they have about their own situations. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like > to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond > on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MCCONNELL list administrator, send an email to > MCCONNELL-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MCCONNELL mailing list, send an email to > MCCONNELL@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MCCONNELL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MCCONNELL Digest, Vol 2, Issue 68 > ****************************************

Margaret, This is a great question, and you may find Joan's response helpful, but I'd like to expand on it. Joan is right that your possibilities for furthering McConnell research by having your own DNA tested depend on how you are related to your McConnell family. She also mentioned Y-DNA, autosomal DNA, and mitochondrial DNA. It may be helpful to cover these separately: Y-DNA - This is the focus of the Clan Donald DNA project, but you have already approached a male relative about this and haven't received a response. This is not uncommon, and I guess there are several reasons for it. One of the main reasons is probably that it takes some time to understand how genetic genealogy works, and if people are busy, they may not have time to really consider it. I have had the same experience of not receiving a response from a McConnell male that I approached about testing. My approach now is to decide in advance whether I want to offer to help pay for a test. If so, I make it clear that I am willing to do so. If not, I explain my situation of having a lot of possibly related McConnell families to investigate and state that I am hoping to avoid paying for all of the required tests, but ask the person to consider testing. I also explain that it took me a long time after learming about the Clan Donald DNA project to decide to participate, and I understand that they may want to think about it for a long time before making any decision. This makes it comfortable for us to remain in touch about our McConnell research even if they don't decide to participate. Autosomal DNA - We all receive autosomal DNA from both of our parents, and what they pass onto us comes from both of their parents. You undoubtedly carry some autosomal DNA from your McConnell ancestors, but it is impossible to identify it based on just your own test results. If you were able to persuade a number of relatives to test, it would be possible to get some idea of which autosomal DNA is from which ancestor by looking at the common ancestors of people sharing the same autosomal DNA. Careful! Other families that may not be closely related may share some of the same autosomal DNA. If many of your ancestors lived in one geographic area, they may share autosomal DNA from common ancestors several generations back. I think that this sort of research will become more and more useful as the technology develops. It will be very interesting to see the new autosomal DNA database that Sorenson is developing now. When that is released, it may be possible for researchers to establish new DNA links. If you try the approach of having several members of your family test through Sorenson, you may be able to get some new information on some of your ancestry. This information could concern your McConnell ancestry, or your ancestry from other families. I certainly don't see much harm in trying this approach if you are comfortable with sharing 4 generation charts for your family members. If you take this approach, it will also be helpful to recruit cousins of your cousins, even if those people are not related to you. Then you can get an idea of whether some DNA sequences that run in some of your families also run in these other families. If they don't seem to, that gives you more certainty that your family members all inherited the same sequences from the same "recent" common ancestors. Mitochondrial DNA - Joan covered this well. Here is a hypothetical example. Let's say you trace your ancestry to a James McConnell, and there are two possible fathers for James McConnell. Each possible father had just 1 wife. You also know that James had a sister. Let's say that you are lucky enough to find 3 people to test: A child of James' sister's daughter's daughter. This child carries mitochondrial DNA from the mother of James and his sister. A child descended from possible father #1 and his wife. This child may be male or female, but must descend from an all female line between him/herself and the possible father #1 and wife. Then this child carries the mitochondrial DNA of the wife of possible father #1. Another child descended from possible father #2 and his wife, just as the above child was descended from possible father #1 and his wife. This child carries the mitochondrial DNA of the wife of possible father #2. The mitochondrial DNA of the descendant of James' sister should match the mitochondrial DNA of one of the other two people. As long as the DNA of the latter two doesn't match, then it will be possible to conclude which wife was James' mother, and that will tell you which of the two men was James' father. Margaret, this is a complicated subject, and I hope that this response helps more than it confuses! Kirsten On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:37:49 +0000, margaret4389 wrote > I have my McConnel line all the way back to the mid 1800's, but, > being female, do not know if it would work or not with the DNA. I > do have a male relative whom I have forwarded the information to, > but, either he didn't get it or he doesn't want to participate. Is > there a way the females can give DNA to make the line more "friendly"? > > -- > Margaret Sessions > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: mcconnell-request@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you > > are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Also, remember to > > change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject > > to which you are replying. > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 23:47:43 -0000 > > From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" > > Subject: [McConnell] Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation > > To: > > Message-ID: <1187394465.141047@rootsweb.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > > > Author: ksaxe > > Surnames: McConnell, McConnel, MacConnell > > Classification: queries > >

In a message dated 8/18/2007 8:38:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, margaret4389@comcast.net writes: I have my McConnel line all the way back to the mid 1800's, but, being f emale, do not know if it would work or not with the DNA. I do have a male relative whom I have forwarded the information to, but, either he didn't get it or he doesn't want to participate. Is there a way the females can give DNA to make the line more "friendly"? -- Margaret Sessions Mitochondrial DNA studies can be done on your mother's mother's mother's etc. line -- for example my mother's mother's mother is a McConnell. Mitochondrial DNA is passed down from a mother to all of her children--both male and female. Only the female children then pass it along to their children. So males lose the mitochondrial DNA from maternal generations prior to their mother. Autosomal (non-sex-linked) DNA is found in both males and females. Y DNA is found only in males (passed down from their father's father's father, etc.). So it all depends on the type of study you plan to participate in (and which side of the family your McConnell line is on) whether or not this would work for you or whether you would need a male relative. Also--don't overestimate what genealogical DNA studies can tell you. They can only tell you of the likelihood of a shared common ancestor (but not the identity of that common ancestor) and how many generations back that ancestor is likely to be (approximately). The more markers used in the test the more accurate (and the more expensive) it is. It takes multiple individuals who know their ancestry (through genealogical research) for the results to be able to ascertain who the common ancestor is. Also, haplogroup results can only be specific as to basic ethnicity such as Northern European or Sub Saharan African or Asian origin--this type of testing can't tell you whether your ancestry was English or German for instance with any degree of certainty--only Northern European. Joan ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ksaxe Surnames: McConnell, McConnel, MacConnell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/2470/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Another testing option and a database with McConnells and other Clan Donalds I recently learned more about an option for free DNA testing. This testing is offered by the Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation (SMGF), and most genealogists would qualify to participate. This option has been around for a while, but there has been a lot of confusion about it among genealogists who might otherwise have participated, and many genealogists have probably never even heard of Sorenson. Some of the confusion concerns the requirements for participation. In order to participate, an individual must submit a four generation chart showing their personal ancestry. The chart may have some blanks, as long as it includes all information known to the submitter, but it MUST include information on some individuals born before 1900. The information on the chart becomes a part of the Sorenson database and remains in the database unless and until a participant decides to leave the study. This is a public database posted on the internet, so the information on individuals born after 1899 will not be posted. Second, SMGF does not report results directly to participants, but participants and other interested individuals can extract them from the database. This usually takes some guesswork, but it is not extremely difficult. Smart people have thought about the number of possible sets of test results and concluded that the process would be so time-consuming that it wouldn't be practical, but because any correct guesses for individual markers are reported as matches for those markers, it is possible to deduce the values for the different markers individually. I recently extracted the test results for the two McConnell men in the Sorenson database, and this probably took me more than two hours because I was inexperienced. By thinking through the process, I learned some things that would make it much easier for me to do the same thing again. If you are interested in using the Sorenson database or just like puzzles, look for my follow-up post. What tests are performed by SMGF has also not always been clear to many of us. Until recently, I thought that Sorenson was only testing Y-DNA for 12 markers, because that is what another genealogist told me. SMGF uses all of the Relative Genetics (RG) markers, because SMGF and Relative Genetics are both connected with Sorenson Genomics, the lab owned by SMGF founder James Sorenson. Currently, the SMGF web site says that SMGF is working to increase the number of tested markers for Sorenson participants to 34 or more. This is good news, because Sorenson counts some multiple site markers such as 464a, 464b, 464c, and 464d as one marker. This reduces the set of 43 Relative Genetics markers to 37 SMGF markers, so SMGF participants will have results for almost all of the 43 Relative Genetics markers when this work is completed. Sorenson tends to process SMGF samples in batches testing a limited number of markers at a time, and posts results as they become available. Sometimes the time between updates of the database adding results for additional markers for an individual is quite long. So some men's results have probably been posted for 12 markers and further results weren't posted for a long time. Since the Sorenson web site doesn't say very much about what markers are tested, many people may have concluded that their Sorenson testing was complete before it really was, and this has caused some confusion. Even if an individual noticed that other men in the database had test results for more markers than they had for themselves, they might have assumed that those men had paid for more markers to be tested by Relative Genetics. Relative Genetics previously offered coupons for reduced price reporting of results directly to SMGF participants, and this contributed to the confusion. SMGF testing is not confined to the Y-chromosome used by the Clan Donald DNA study. Men and women may both test through SMGF, which tests mitochondrial and autosomal DNA for all participants and Y-DNA for men. Sorenson's mitochondrial DNA database is quite large, and anyone with mitochondrial DNA results will want to use it. Test results for autosomal DNA, which is DNA on chromosomes other than the X and Y, will be entered into an upcoming Sorenson database. One big advantage of the use of free testing by Sorenson is that it allows genealogists to contemplate testing for ourselves and many more relatives from our brick wall families than most of us could afford to have tested at our own expense. Are there disadvantages to this free testing? Yes, of course. Results generally take at least nine months to be posted on the existing databases. Often no results are posted for at least a year, and complete results may not be posted for two years or more. If you're considering testing for yourself or a family member who is patient and healthy, this may not be a great concern. If you're trying to find out how you are related to a large number of families of the same surname or geographic origin, this option may help you recruit members of those families to test, but the discovery of any DNA matches which might lead to further testing will not come before results are posted. Since some lines "daughter out" or die out, leaving nobody to test, there will probably be a few cases where DNA results and other research lead to interest in the DNA of men who might have participated, but died during the wait for results. For project administrators, inputting data from other companies may not allow them to cut and paste the results into the project tables, which is what they are usually able to do with results from FTDNA. This is not a big drawback, but since Sorenson results often come in big batches, there may be some slight delays in posting results to the project tables if a number of men are added from the Sorenson database at the same time. In a few cases, it may be possible for project administrators to extract some results, but individuals opting to join projects using Sorenson results should try to extract results for themselves or with the help of other contacts if at all possible. (Exception: Administrators of some projects may be willing and able to help you with this process, but you should not count on this until you have checked with them.) I would be willing to help McConnells, McConnels, MacConnells, and as many others interested in joining the Clan Donald project as I ha! ve time to help with this process, but would hope that all individuals would see how far they can get with the extraction before seeking assistance. As noted previously the set of markers used by Sorenson and Relative Genetics is not identical to the standard set used by FTDNA, so some markers from the two sets cannot be compared. There is a lot of overlap between the two sets of markers, and in many cases, the common markers will be enough to answer genealogists' questions. When more information is needed, FTDNA customers have the option of testing for the missing Sorenson/RG markers through FTDNA's advanced orders at a reasonable cost or by testing through SMGF or RG, and men with Sorenson and RG test results have the option of testing with FTDNA to get results for FTDNA markers not in the Sorenson set. Unfortunately, the testing options that FTDNA and RG offer for those with results from their competitors are nearly as expensive as their standard tests. In some cases, the use of SMGF markers would answer questions that FTDNA's standard tests alone won't, and participation of men tested with SMGF will be a real boon! if it leads men who originally tested with FTDNA and would benefit from using the Sorenson markers to discover them. Some individuals may not wish to share their pedigree charts for any number of reasons that I think most of us already know, while others will find it advantageous to have their DNA results and pedigree charts together online. I recently saw a post to the Rootsweb DNA genealogy list from a person who was anxious to have their pedigree and DNA results posted together in the SMGF database because other researchers claiming common ancestry had results that didn't match. This researcher was sure that the others had made mistakes and wanted later researchers to be able to see good data along with the bad, giving them a better chance of successfully tracking their lines. One other possible area of concern is easily addressed prior to the submission of the pedigree chart and sample to SMGF. For you and your surname project administrators to use your results with confidence, you must be able to identify them in the Sorenson database. In many cases, this won't be a problem, because you'll probably be the only person with an identical pedigree chart in the database. However, if your brother also joins the Sorenson study, you will need to be able to distinguish between his results and yours. If your father's brother married one of your mother's sisters and you have a male cousin from this line testing, then your posted pedigrees should be identical unless one of your parents or his parents was born early enough for their first name to be included in the database, and you will also have to do something to distinguish your entries in the Sorenson database. It is unlikely, but possible, that your posted pedigree in the database would match that o! f a total stranger. If you have some uncommon surnames among grandparents and great-grandparents born before 1900 in small towns, you probably don't need to worry about this. But if your only great grandparents born before 1900 were a John Smith and Mary Jones who were born in NY, you should take some precautions to make your Sorenson pedigree identifiable. How would you make your Sorenson pedigree identifiable? Since your 4 generation chart is supposed to be as complete as possible, it should have the same information on your recent common ancestors as the charts of any relatives who participate in the study, unless you have new or conflicting information about your ancestry. However, Sorenson allows and encourages the submission of information on the ancestry of the great grandparents of participants, and includes this information in the database. By randomly selecting some, but not all of these ancestors to include in your submitted information, you should be able to make your Sorenson pedigree distinguishable from the rest. Just record carefully the information you submit so that you may refer to it later. It may be possible for those who have previously submitted their information to SMGF and want to make it distinguishable to do so by submitting additional data, but I have not researched this possibility. Testing through SMGF is a viable way to join the Clan Donald DNA project, just as testing with for-profit companies is. Researchers interested in testing will need to weigh the advantages and disadvantages of each of these options, taking into account the information they have about their own situations. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: schoedi Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/1451.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Luckily I receive an email when someone posts a comment. Please reply to me at JudyLehm@sbcglobal.net. These are notes that I have about Alexander, son of William: p. 59, end note: Alexander McConnell died intestate in Iredell before Aug. 21, 1798 when Catherine McConnell and Burgess Gaither were granted letters of administration under 500-pound bond. His heirs were Walter, Robert, William, Elizabeth, John and Polly McConnell and his daughter Anna Johnson, wife of Jeremiah Johnson (Lois M.P. Schneider, Inventory of Estate Papers of Iredell Co., NC, 1788-1915). An inventory of his estate showed that he was a slaveholder. William originally bought in 1762 the land that lay at the exact center of Salisbury where he opened a tavern in his home. He bought and sold numberous other properties before his death. Before his death he bought the apparently unregistered stake of Robert Bell on what was known as Bell's Branch of Grant's Creek in what later became Iredell Co. Alexander is shown as a taxpayer there in 1772 at age 16 after his father's death. David Woodson, a Salisbury silversmith and land speculator, claimed Williams old stake that he bought from Robert Bell in 1788 on behalf of children Esther and John. Alexander, when the land office reopened in 1778, already had improved land in Iredell, and he claimed further land on Little Dutchman's Creek. These lands were scattered north from Bell's Branch (also known as Todd's Branch) through Rock, Hunting and Little Dutchmans' Creek. Descendants of Alexander McConnell 1 Alexander McConnell b: Abt. 1755 in Cumberland Pennsylvania d: 09 Aug 1798 .. Catherine Boyd b: 1761 in Maury Co Tennessee d: 1826 ....... 2 Ann McConnell b: 1783 ............ Jeremiah Johnson ....... *2nd Husband of Ann McConnell: ............ James Bell ....... 2 Robert Boyd McConnell b: 22 Mar 1787 d: 30 Mar 1855 ............ Margaret Rosborough ................. 3 Howard Marion McConnell ....... 2 William Cole McConnell b: 1789 ............ Elizabeth Bone b: 1795 d: Bef. 1872 ................. 3 John Boyd McConnell b: 1825 d: 09 Mar 1911 ..................... Priscilla Ann Gibson b: 1829 ................. 3 Elizabeth McConnell b: 1827 ..................... Joseph M Duggar ................. 3 William Alexander McConnell b: 1830 in Maury Co Tennessee d: Mar 1908 in Stone Co Missouri ..................... Sylvia Elizabeth Sloan ........................... 4 Mahala Elizabeth McConnell ........................... 4 John McConnell ................. *2nd Wife of William Alexander McConnell: ..................... Betty Forrester Brown ................. 3 Curtis Bone McConnell b: 1832 ..................... Isabel Gardenhire ................. 3 Critchfield Bone McConnell b: 1838 ....... 2 Elizabeth McConnell b: Abt. 1793 d: Bef. 1821 ....... 2 John M McConnell b: 29 Aug 1794 d: 06 May 1878 ............ Lucinda McCrary b: 07 Jul 1800 d: 15 Mar 1860 ....... 2 Mary Ann McConnell b: 1796 d: Sep 1827 ....... 2 Walter I . McConnell b: Abt. 1784 d: 11 Mar 1854 ............ Mary Ann Elizabeth Parker b: Abt. 1787 d: Jan 1860 ................. 3 Mary Elizabeth McConnell b: Abt. 1810 ..................... Samuel M Chaffin ................. 3 Alexander McConnell b: Abt. 1814 ..................... Mary D Wood b: 1814 d: 1882 ........................... 4 Eliza Jane McConnell b: Abt. 1837 ............................... John L Keltner b: Abt. 1832 ........................... 4 Elizabeth F McConnell b: Abt. 1843 ............................... Wiley Blount Faught, Jr. ........................... 4 Martha F. McConnell b: 1844 d: 1913 ............................... Martin L Edwards ........................... *2nd Husband of Martha F. McConnell: ............................... Andrew A Pendleton ........................... 4 G William C McConnell b: 1846 ........................... 4 George Washington McConnell b: 1847 ........................... 4 John A McConnell b: 1849 ................. 3 Permelia McConnell b: 1816 ................. 3 William Shakespeare McConnell b: 1823 d: 1889 ..................... Caroline Locke ................. 3 Catherine Jane McConnell b: Abt. 1827 ..................... George W Butler b: Abt. 1832 ................. 3 John Walter McConnell b: 14 Jul 1829 in Maury Co Tennessee d: 31 Oct 1907 in Christian Co Missouri ..................... Matilda D Edwards b: Abt. 1838 in Maury Co Tennessee d: Abt. 1873 in Christian Co Missouri ........................... 4 James Wright McConnell b: 1855 d: 1936 ............................... Mary Emily McCafferty ..................................... 5 John W McConnell, Jr b: 1879 ..................................... 5 Cora McConnell b: 1884 ..................................... 5 Lucy McConnell b: 1886 ..................................... 5 Artie McConnell b: 1888 ..................................... 5 Seymore McConnell b: 1890 ..................................... 5 Myrtle McConnell b: 1893 ..................................... 5 Dora E McConnell b: 1895 ..................................... 5 Hobart McConnell b: 1898 ..................................... 5 Wilbern McConnell b: Bef. 1906 ........................... 4 Mary V McConnell b: 1856 ........................... 4 John Walter McConnell, Jr b: 1858 ........................... 4 Frances Emma McConnell b: 02 Feb 1865 d: 17 Mar 1884 ............................... Benjamin Franklin McCafferty ........................... 4 William Alexander McConnell b: 11 Mar 1867 d: 05 May 1953 ............................... Nannie P Melvin ........................... *2nd Wife of William Alexander McConnell: ............................... Mary Bell Elizabeth Ray ..................................... 5 Henry Burl McConnell b: 01 Mar 1905 ............................................... 6 Burl Russell McConnell b: 21 Oct 1929 ......................................................... 7 Randy Lee McConnell b: 03 Jul 1952 ........................... *3rd Wife of William Alexander McConnell: ............................... Grace ........................... 4 Joseph Franklin McConnell b: 07 Apr 1871 ............................... Mary Slay ................. *2nd Wife of John Walter McConnell: ..................... Rebecca Jane Pope ........................... 4 Synthia Ann McConnell b: 19 May 1875 d: 27 Dec 1952 ............................... John Thomas Beverage ........................... 4 Robert Lee McConnell b: 01 Oct 1878 d: 25 May 1965 ............................... Jane Maynard Faught ........................... 4 Edward Scott McConnell b: Oct 1886 d: 14 Oct 1933 ........................... 4 Benjamin Harrison McConnell b: Dec 1888 d: 1966 ................. 3 James Holland McConnell b: 1831 ..................... Mary Emily McCafferty b: 1831 d: 1876 ........................... 4 John Green McConnell ............................... Cosby Hunt Maynard ..................................... 5 Charles Leonard McConnell ......................................... Christy Evelyna Harris ............................................... 6 Leornard Udel McConnell ................................................... Thelma Irene Gallagher ......................................................... 7 Guy McConnell ............................................................. Laura L Dixon ................. 3 Mary Ann McConnell b: 1833 d: 1891 ..................... John W Faught b: 1831 d: 1905 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jeanold19 Surnames: MCCONNELL MULHERN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.mcconnell/1451.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi My ggg grand father was William McConnell married to Jane Mulhern as far as i know in Donegal they had a son Robert and he married in 1890 in Scotland Could there be any connection My grandfather was John McConnell Regards Jean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.