Well, I joined the Primitive Baptist list, and put my query out there. Who should give me the best clue I've gotten for a year or two, but Gwen? I always copy the census page before and after the one entry I'm looking for, but this William McBee is TWO pages away. As Gwen and I discussed, if this is indeed the William McBee that I'm looking for, in 1880 he is alive, well, and remarried. So perhaps Samuel was apprenticed to Jim Woodward? I still have heard nothing about the Bunch-McBee connection, but I've joined the Melungeon list, where I understand they have been recently discussing Bunches. So off to write a new, better query, thanks to Gwen! Valorie PS: Anybody connected to William, Mannilia, Frances, Elijah, or Sarah? It is a bit suspicious that there is another William, but he could be the son of Mannillia, by a first husband? -v -------- Original Message -------- Subject: McBee Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 19:25:00 -0800 From: "Gwen Boyer Bjorkman" <gwenbj@seanet.com> To: "Valorie Zimmerman" <valoriez@zimres.net> Hi Valorie: Saw your query and just wondered if you had seen the 1880 census where it says that the father of your Samuel McBee was b. in KY? Maybe it's a mistake?? 1880 Census Place: Clay, Harrison, Missouri Source: FHL Film 1254688 National Archives Film T9-0688 Page 4D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace Samuel MC BEE Self M M W 29 MO Occ: Engineer Fa: KY Mo: MO Nancy MC BEE Wife F M W 19 MO Occ: Keeping House Fa: KY Mo: KY Is this your William? 1880 Census Place: Clay, Harrison, Missouri Source: FHL Film 1254688 National Archives Film T9-0688 Page 6D Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace William MC BEE Self M M W 55 TN Occ: Farmer Fa: TN Mo: TN Mannilia MC BEE Wife F M W 47 TN Occ: Keeping House Fa: TN Mo: NC Frances M. MC BEE Son M S W 17 MO Occ: At Home Fa: TN Mo: TN Elijah M. MC BEE Son M S W 15 MO Occ: At Home Fa: TN Mo: TN Sarah A. MC BEE Dau F S W 12 MO Fa: TN Mo: TN William MC BEE Son M S W 10 MO Fa: TN Mo: TN I do not see Jim Woodward, but there are other Woodwards in Cainesville in 1880. Gwen Boyer Bjorkman gwenbj@seanet.com -----Original Message----- From: Valorie Zimmerman [mailto:valoriez@zimres.net] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 12:13 PM To: gwenbj@seanet.com Source: PRIMITIVE-BAPTIST-ROOTS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [Primitive-Baptists] McBEE & Bunch in Big Spring Prim. Bap. 1830s Claiborne Co. TN Ramona Bayes Woods wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > I would like to welcome you all to the Primitive Baptist Roots list. > I started the list and board in memory of my Cousin Anthony Sturgill s/o William Sturgill and Bea Rose Sturgill who died last year at age 32. > The Sturgill family of Grayson Co. VA have long been members of the Primitive Baptist Church; therefore my interest. May we get aquainted and everyone tell us a bit about your interest in the Church? Thanks for starting this list, Ramona. I've found not only McBees, but also Bunches mentioned in the MINUTES OF BIG SPRING PRIMITIVE BAPTIST CHURCH (Claiborne County, TN 1830s). The gggrandfather who seems to have landed somewhere in the southern US with aliens was named William Bunch McBee, so I'm hoping to find some evidence of his birth, and information about his parents. Here's part of an old query. This is what I know (or suspect): My grandfather's Harvey Elmer McBEE's paternal grandfather William Bunch McBee [came to America from Dublin, Ireland, but there is a possibility that he was Scottish. -this part may be HOOEY!] Great-grandfather Samuel McBee and his wife Nancy Jane Booth McBee are buried in the Fairview Cemetery, also know as the old "Booth Cememtery" near Cainsville, Missouri [Harrison Co. MO],... [and also William Bunch McBee, his grandfather] -- I've never seen any of the gravestones, or even pictures. Samuel was born in MO in Feb 1852, and raised by Jim Woodward, of Cainsville, Missouri, until he was 18, and Woodward then started Samuel up with the Old Boer's Nest Mill, west of Cainsville, Missouri. He continued running the sawmill in Missouri and southern Iowa until he became feeble, then Sidney, his son, [my grandfather's older brother] took the mill over. Samuel and Nancy Jane lived out their later lives in Cool, Warren Co. Iowa, ... It is quite likely that Samuel's parents [William & Mary Ellen] died young since he was raised by Jim Woodward..... Sidney's grandparents on his father's side were William Bunch McBee and Mary Ellen Robeson (we do not know the birth or death dates). William was supposedly a violinist in Dublin, Ireland, and he may have taught music. Mary was of Irish descent, and after her death William remarried and lived in Cainsville at the time of his death. [When and where did she die, and where is she buried? I have nothing but a name. I have no records mentioning either William or Mary Ellen.] Besides the possibility of a BUNCH - McBEE connection, I'd like to find out more out Jim Woodward, and whether he was a connection from Claiborne Co. TN, also. Valorie