Xavier, I like what you wrote, blood sings to its own no matter the color. It doesn't matter what others think, there is a bond with blood kin that can't be denied. Have you ever had a gut feeling that you were on the right track with a line you were researching despite having no evidence? It was probably your ancestors telling you that your search was in the right direction. So keep searching. Ali United we stand, divided we fall. God Bless America!! From: "MITCHELL XAVIER" <Mxavier1@msn.com> Reply-To: MCBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: MCBEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McBEE] Re: MCBEE-D Digest V01 #132 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:50:29 -0500 Please read the following carefully: I might have known someone would get my comments/questions wrong. Someone misinformed you or you misunderstood my writing. I said I happened to be black and Vardry McBee is my ggg grandfather. He and one of his female slaves produced my gg grandmother (and I was searching for her name). This was the custom among "masters" and their female property and Vardry was no exception. They did what they wanted and when they wanted. Oftentimes their wives knew and many times their wives did not know. Remember Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings? You can bet Thomas Jefferson was not the only "master" who had sexual relations with his female property and produce many children. Thomas Jefferson's wife was the half sister to Sally Hemings and other siblings. Jefferson's wife was given Sally, her sister, as a gift when she married Thomas Jefferson. We, as far as family is concerned, know only what our parents choose to tell us; their parents before them, and their parents before them, etc. My family chose to tell us everything. This knowledge does not make me proud nor does it make me ashamed. Sex between "masters" and female property was common whether it was consentual or rape (and many, many babies were born). I imagine this can be hard to take. I mean no one any difficulties in their understanding of history and what they were taught. I only stand for the truth and I'm just looking for names of my black relatives (I already know of Vardry McBee). What I am saying is just a part of history as anything else is in the past, and, Vardry is just as much my relative as he is yours or anyone elses. I'm not angry. This is in the past and if it had not been for Vardry I would not be born and you and many, many others would not be either. Would it hurt you so much to discover that you and I are cousins by way of Vardry McBee? If you have pertinent (true) information you think I may not be aware please let me know. I've been looking for names of my black relatives of the 1800's. Write back if you care to. We can probably learn a great deal from each other and I mean you no disrespect. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding you and others may have had. If you wish pass this on to others who may also have the same misunderstanding. Xavier ----- Original Message ----- From: Cdmcbee105@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:38 PM To: MCBEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McBEE] Re: MCBEE-D Digest V01 #132 Does this person actually state that Vardry McBee was a black man or that they are descencded from a white Vardry..I really doubt that a blackman was a pillar in So of the community during that date period...iin So.Carolina.!! ==== MCBEE Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Click on <mailto:McBee-L-request@rootsweb.com> to create a new message with UNSUBSCRIBE as the *only* text in the message, and as the subject. Contact Valorie <mailto:McBee-admin@rootsweb.com> with any questions, list problems, or virus warnings. ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 ==== MCBEE Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Click on <mailto:McBee-L-request@rootsweb.com> to create a new message with UNSUBSCRIBE as the *only* text in the message, and as the subject. Contact Valorie <mailto:McBee-admin@rootsweb.com> with any questions, list problems, or virus warnings. ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

You're right Xavier, that makes me think there was a certain level of intimacy between them. I've never even hugged and kissed my own mother in a store. They apparently knew each other quite well. Ali, still hoping to find the link between Vardry McBee and Robert Magby. United we stand, divided we fall. God Bless America!! From: "MITCHELL XAVIER" <Mxavier1@msn.com> Reply-To: MCBEE-L@rootsweb.com To: MCBEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McBEE] Re: MCBEE-D Digest V01 #132 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:59:17 -0500 I don't think hugging and kissing in JC Pennys was remaining distant in public. They were well aware of each other and acknowledged it. How can there be so much misunderstanding from my simple tid bit of information and quest for names of my black relatives? I encourage the correspondence; however, this makes the second person who misunderstood. Maybe I need to go back and take Writing 099 (smile). I meant that as a small joke. Do you know the names of any of Vardry's slaves (male and female)? Thanks for your letter. Xavier _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Very well said Valerie, if we can't face where our research takes us, we have no business in genealogy. Ali United we stand, divided we fall. God Bless America!! We cannot change the actions taken by our ancestors, but we can choose to be gracious under pressure. When we uncover facts which don't flatter the ancestral portrait, we can choose to thoughtfully publish them anyway, in the larger interest of TRUTH. This takes courage. However, meeting new cousins (and fellow researchers) can be one of the rewards of serving the truth. :) If you don't believe me, check out the International Society of Black Sheep Genealogists, IBSSG. http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ Valorie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Well,had to go back and review my McBee History "Out of the wilderness" book and realized that Vardry is the Uncle of my gg grandfather,James McBee of the McBee Chapel community. I would suggest Xaviar write me what he knows and I'll write an article for the Braymer Bee newspaper and see if any of the McBee's who read it have any of the old pictures or family histories that would mention the slave's or property settlements of Vardry. As many of you know William McBee and his wife Susanna had 4 sons and 3 daughters,Samual,Vardry,James,Mathis,Elizabeth,Joannah and Mary. James stayed in S. Carolina but his son Thomas married Rachel RIley and moved to Ohio. The boys and their mother moved to Missouri in 1835 and landed in Hardin Missouri and later moved to Millville,Missouri. JW moved to the homeplace that I show on my web site. I am the great grandson of Carrie McBee Kelly. Dean Hughson www.mcbeefamily.homestead.com ===== Dean Hughson,Las Vegas http://www.deanhughson.com http://www.eggman.cc deanhughson (chat address at http://www.aol.com/aim/aimexpress.html ) http://www.teveo.com/_go/cam.asp?ID=1049491465 (web cam) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

In the course of my research, especially of my McBees, I've found joys and profound sorrows. The deeds done by our ancestors were not always admirable, or even understandable. It's been useful for me to remember that it is all just HISTORY, even if personal history that still affects the living. And some acts that could have been seen as shameful in the past, now seem just human. We cannot change the actions taken by our ancestors, but we can choose to be gracious under pressure. When we uncover facts which don't flatter the ancestral portrait, we can choose to thoughtfully publish them anyway, in the larger interest of TRUTH. This takes courage. However, meeting new cousins (and fellow researchers) can be one of the rewards of serving the truth. :) If you don't believe me, check out the International Society of Black Sheep Genealogists, IBSSG. http://blacksheep.rootsweb.com/ Valorie

I don't think hugging and kissing in JC Pennys was remaining distant in public. They were well aware of each other and acknowledged it. How can there be so much misunder standing from my simple tid bit of information and quest for names of my black relatives? I encourage the correspondence; however, this makes the second person who misunderstood. Maybe I need to go back and take Writing 099 (smile). I meant that as a small joke. Do you know the names of any of Vardry's slaves (male and female)? Thanks for your letter. Xavier ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron McCandless Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 12:34 AM To: MCBEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [McBEE] Re: MCBEE-D Digest V01 #132 In this email it was stated that Vardry was a slave owner who had children by his slaves and the two lines of descendants black and white remained distant in public but privately cared for each other. Similar to many other family tales. Your are correct however that a Black man would have had to be a saint, a genius and very powerful to have any social or political standing in the south at that period of time. Ron McCandless Cdmcbee105@aol.com wrote: > > Does this person actually state that Vardry McBee was a black man or that they > are descencded from a white Vardry..I really doubt that a blackman was a > pillar in So > of the community during that date period...iin So.Carolina.!! > > ==== MCBEE Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: Click on <mailto:McBee-L-request@rootsweb.com> to create > a new message with UNSUBSCRIBE as the *only* text in the message, and as > the subject. Contact Valorie <mailto:McBee-admin@rootsweb.com> with any > questions, list problems, or virus warnings. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237 ==== MCBEE Mailing List ==== Don't forget our Message Board, courtesy of Rootsweb! Queries, Bible records, Biographies, Deeds, Obits, Pensions, Wills and other data: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/board/rw/surnames.mcbee ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Please read the following carefully: I might have known someone would get my comments/questions wrong. Someone misinformed you or you misunderstood my writing. I said I happened to be black and Vardry McBee is my ggg grandfather. He and one of his female slaves produced my gg grandmother (and I was searching for her name). This was the custom among "masters" and their female property and Vardry was no exception. They did what they wanted and when they wanted. Oftentimes their wives knew and many times their wives did not know. Remember Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings? You can bet Thomas Jefferson was not the only "master" who had sexual relations with his female property and produce many children. Thomas Jefferson's wife was the half sister to Sally Hemings and other siblings. Jefferson's wife was given Sally, her sister, as a gift when she married Thomas Jefferson. We, as far as family is concerned, know only what our parents choose to tell us; their parents before them, and their parents before them, etc. My family chose to tell us everything. This knowledge does not make me proud nor does it make me ashamed. Sex between "masters" and female property was common whether it was consentual or rape (and many, many babies were born). I imagine this can be hard to take. I mean no one any difficulties in their understanding of history and what they were taught. I only stand for the truth and I'm just looking for names of my black relatives (I already know of Vardry McBee). What I am saying is just a part of history as anything else is in the past, and, Vardry is just as much my relative as he is yours or anyone elses. I'm not angry. This is in the past and if it had not been for Vardry I would not be born and you and many, many others would not be either. Would it hurt you so much to discover that you and I are cousins by way of Vardry McBee? If you have pertinent (true) information you think I may not be aware please let me know. I've been looking for names of my black relatives of the 1800's. Write back if you care to. We can probably learn a great deal from each other and I mean you no disrespect. Hope this clears up any misunderstanding you and others may have had. If you wish pass this on to others who may also have the same misunderstanding. Xavier ----- Original Message ----- From: Cdmcbee105@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 11:38 PM To: MCBEE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [McBEE] Re: MCBEE-D Digest V01 #132 Does this person actually state that Vardry McBee was a black man or that they are descencded from a white Vardry..I really doubt that a blackman was a pillar in So of the community during that date period...iin So.Carolina.!! ==== MCBEE Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Click on <mailto:McBee-L-request@rootsweb.com> to create a new message with UNSUBSCRIBE as the *only* text in the message, and as the subject. Contact Valorie <mailto:McBee-admin@rootsweb.com> with any questions, list problems, or virus warnings. ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

I've added this address for Carol to the Accept list. -v -------- Original Message -------- Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [McBEE] Re: MCBEE-D Digest V01 #132 Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 12:41:49 -0700 From: "carolegilmour" <carolegilmour@msn.com> To: <dean@primenet.com>, <MCBEE-L@rootsweb.com> References: <20011125192348.78847.qmail@web10103.mail.yahoo.com> Just a footnote here - Vardy McBee deeded a lot of land in Greenville for an early Black church there ( now Springfield Baptist on McBee Avenue). The first minister of the church was Gabriel Pool, a former slave who had belonged to the Cleveland family. Carole

Mitchell and all,it was the same reaction that Jefferson's family had when it surfaced about him having children with Sally Hemmings...disbelief but DNA testing has proven it...it might be interesting to consider doing this also with some of Vardry's direct descendents and your family,Mitchell...... Dean,who thinks things like this are what makes genealogy interesting ===== Dean Hughson,Las Vegas http://www.deanhughson.com http://www.eggman.cc deanhughson (chat address at http://www.aol.com/aim/aimexpress.html ) http://www.teveo.com/_go/cam.asp?ID=1049491465 (web cam) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

I don't doubt that if GGGGGGrandpa Vardry McBee had slaves that,like Jefferson and even George Washington's brother,he could have had some children with the slaves. Also,I don't doubt that some relationships could have been maintained----for instance on my mother's side of the family the slaves actually stayed around and are buried in our family graveyard 30-40 years after slavery ended--they were part of the family and my grandmother told me stories that her mother told her about one of the freed slaves who used to stick around and cook and actually even attended family events until her death. It is a great story----I hope we can learn more...also I understand we have some Indian marriages that occurred in some of our families. Dean Hughson www.mcbeefamily.homestead.com ===== Dean Hughson,Las Vegas http://www.deanhughson.com http://www.eggman.cc deanhughson (chat address at http://www.aol.com/aim/aimexpress.html ) http://www.teveo.com/_go/cam.asp?ID=1049491465 (web cam) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

Does this person actually state that Vardry McBee was a black man or that they are descencded from a white Vardry..I really doubt that a blackman was a pillar in So of the community during that date period...iin So.Carolina.!!

In this email it was stated that Vardry was a slave owner who had children by his slaves and the two lines of descendants black and white remained distant in public but privately cared for each other. Similar to many other family tales. Your are correct however that a Black man would have had to be a saint, a genius and very powerful to have any social or political standing in the south at that period of time. Ron McCandless Cdmcbee105@aol.com wrote: > > Does this person actually state that Vardry McBee was a black man or that they > are descencded from a white Vardry..I really doubt that a blackman was a > pillar in So > of the community during that date period...iin So.Carolina.!! > > ==== MCBEE Mailing List ==== > To Unsubscribe: Click on <mailto:McBee-L-request@rootsweb.com> to create > a new message with UNSUBSCRIBE as the *only* text in the message, and as > the subject. Contact Valorie <mailto:McBee-admin@rootsweb.com> with any > questions, list problems, or virus warnings. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1237

Xaviar: assume you may have found my webpage about the McBee's who came from SC to Missouri and formed the McBee Chapel community http://www.mcbeefamily.homestead.com there is a link there to a woman who says she is triracial who is related to the McBee Family. She is at: http://geocities.com/shediva1958/index.html Look forward to learning more about your branch of the McBee Family. Dean Hughson,Las Vegas www.deanhughson.com gggg grandson of Vardry ===== Dean Hughson,Las Vegas http://www.deanhughson.com http://www.eggman.cc deanhughson (chat address at http://www.aol.com/aim/aimexpress.html ) http://www.teveo.com/_go/cam.asp?ID=1049491465 (web cam) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1

This came with a subscribe attempt. Xavier is now a member of our list/research community -- I hope we can help him out. Welcome, Xavier! Valorie -------- Original Message -------- Subject: McBees Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:25:00 -0700 From: "MITCHELL XAVIER" <Mxavier1@msn.com> To: <McBee-L-request@rootsweb.com> If you have any information on black McBees of the 1800's let me know. I am a 6th generation of Vardry McBee (and who happen to be black). The Vardry to whom I'm referring was born 1775 and died 1864 (wife was Jane). Better known as "the father of Greenville," South Carolina. My ggg grandmother was his slave and had children by him. I know it is next to impossible to find out her name and one daughter's name who was the mother of my greatgrandmother. My great grandmother's name was Annie Elizabeth Goins. While we were growing up my grandmother told us circa the 30's, 40's & 50's the black and white McBees intentionally "met at JC Pennys", Greenville, South Carolina. "You never did see such hugging and kissing". We are less and less aware of each other now. It is true that many slaves/ex-slaves took on their "masters' " names; however, in this case the last name was because of birth/blood. Vardry was an intelligent man so I'm sure he kept some type of record of his human property? Checks or underlines near/by certain ones he favored (male and female)? Any information you may have would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks. Xavier

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: James, Crooks, Crane, McBee, Arnold, Barnhart, Olson, Wignall, Kale, Good, Shelton, Ellis, Mains, Larkin, Krutsinger, And Many More... Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/HNz.2ACEB/468 Message Board Post: Any Information On This Family Line is Welcome. Like to find a Connection with a family member from this line. If you are the Family Member of this line please contact me at JamesFamily_2002@hotmail.com Thanks Andrew James ** Amos Manford James is my GG Grandfather. I'm Trying to find any links down from his Children Line. I've information all the way back to 1810 to My Great Great Great Great Grandfather John James & Malinda Welch which would be Amos Manford James Great Great Grandfather. Also; I do have pictures of his head stones of him and his wife and some children and William Jefferson James & his wife Elizabeth Welch which Amos is the Son Of: William Jefferson James & Elizabeth Welch and I do have pictures of these familys that were taken back in the 1898-1899 in Murray., Iowa. I'm also; in contact with the Welch Family Line I've the whole line for that. But, Really interrested in finding a family member form this line..Thanks Andrew Ps.. Arleigh Vane James was Everett Ray James brother which is forth child of Amos Manford James. Arleigh Vane James would be the 5th child of Amos Manford James. Arleigh Vane James Son Of: Amos Manford James & Julia Ann Larkin {My Line}** Born: July 24, 1889 Place: Lucas County., Iowa Died: July 19, 1952 Place: Lucas County., Iowa Burried: July ??, 1952 Place: Oakley., Iowa {Mt. Zion Cemtery} Married: April 24, 1912 Place: Oakley, Lucas County., Iowa To: Myrtle Krutsinger Daug. Of: **Noah Layfayete Krutsinger & Mary E. Sythbottom Born: June 11, 1892 Place: Lucas County., Iowa Died: May 22, 1976 Place: Chariton, Lucas County., Iowa Burried: May ??, 1976 Place: Oakley., Iowa {Mt. Zion Cemetery} ** I've Information on Noah Layfayete Krutsinger & Mary E. Sythbottom also; I have pictures of thier head stones. Children Of : Arleigh Vane James & Mrytle Krutsinger 1. Herbert Orbin James Son Of: Arleigh Vane James & Mrytle Krutsinger Born: February 19, 1915 Place: Lucas County., Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Married:{1} October ??, 1935 Place:{1} Chariton., Iowa To: {1}Hazel Crooks Daug. {1}Of: Charles Crooks & Maggie Unknown Born:{1} Abt. Unknown ??, 1915 Place: {1}An Unknown Location Died:{1} "Poss. Still Living" Place: {1} Poss. Still Living" Burried: {1} Poss. Still Living" Place: {1} Poss. Still Living" Children Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks 1. Darl Laverne James Son Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks Born: 1936 Place: Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Married: 1959 Place: An Unknown Location To: Vera Ruby Arnold Daug. Of: Guy Arnold & Martha Smith Born: October 16, 1938 Place: Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Children Of: Darl Laverne James & Very Ruby Arnold 1. Darla Suzanne James Daug. Of: Darl Laverne James & Very Ruby Arnold Born: 1962 NE. 2. David Guy James Son Of: Darl Laverne James & Vera Ruby Arnold Born: 1965 NE. 3. Debra Joy James Daug. Of: Darl Laverne James & Vera Ruby Arnold Born: 1966 NE. Died: 1975 NE. 4. Denise Allison James Daug. Of: Darl Laverne James & Vera Ruby Arnold Born: 1967 NE. 2. Marilyn Maxine James Daug. Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks Born: 1937 Place: Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Married: 1957 Place: Eugene., Oregon To: Bill Duane McBee Son Of: Frank McBee & Bessie Unknown Born: 1933 Place: Oregon Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Children Of: Marilyn Maxine James & Bill Duane McBee 1. Brent Duane McBee Son Of: Bill Duane McBee & Marilyn Maxine James Born: 1958 OR. 2. Julie Ann McBee Daug. Of: Bill Duane McBee & Marilyn Maxine James Born: 1959 OR 3. Kevin Dean McBee Son Of: Bill Duane McBee & Marilyn Maxine James Born: 1963 IA. 4. Linda Lea McBee Daug. Of: Bill Duane McBee & Marilyn Maxine James Born: 1966 IA. 3. Herbert Lester James Son Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks Born: November 30, 1938 Place: Lucas County., Iowa Died: November 30, 1938 {Still Born} Place: Iowa Burried: November {Or} December ??, 1938 Place: Lucas County., Iowa {Latter Day Saints Cemetery} 4. Doris Irene James Daug. Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks Born: 1940 Place: Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Married: {1} 1959 Place:{1} Iowa To:{1} Marion Francis Barnhart Son Of:{1} Dewey Barnhart & Meda Apyar Born:{1} 1938 Place:{1} Missouri Died: {1}"Poss. Still Living" Place:{1} "Poss. Still Living" Burried: {1}"Poss. Still Living" Place:{1} "Poss. Still Living" Children Of: Doris Irene James & Marion Francis Barnhart 1. Brenda Lee Barnhart Daug. Of: Marion Francis Barnhart & Doris Irene James Born: 1964 Place: Iowa 4. Doris Irene James Daug. Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks Born: 1940 Place: Lucas County., Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Remarried: {2} 1975 Place:{2} Iowa To:{2} Donald Olson Son Of:{2} Evan Olson & Haloise Unknown Born:{2} 1938 Place:{2} Iowa Died: {2}"Poss. Still Living" Place:{2} "Poss. Still Living" Burried: {2}"Poss. Still Living" Place:{2} "Poss. Still Living" Children Of: Doris Irene James & Donald Olson {NONE} Doris Remarried again for the third time she married her first husband again for the third time. It's not knowen if they have more children since she was married twice. 5. Lois Lucille James Daug. Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks Born: 1943 Place: Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Married: 1970 Place: Iowa To: Derald Dean Wignall Son Of: Paul Wignall & Ruth Unknown Born: 1936 Place: Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Children Of: Derald Dean Wignall & Lois Lucille James 1. Steven Linn Wignall Son Of: Derald Dean Wignall & Lois Lucille James Born: 1963 Place: IA 2. Jeffrey Dean Wignall Son of: Derald Dean Wignall & Lois Lucille James Born: 1971 IA 3. Lori Lynn Wignall Daug. Of: Derald Dean Wignall & Lois Lucille James Born: 1972 Place: IA 4. Kristy Renee Wignall Daug. Of: Derald Dean Wignall & Lois Lucille James Born: 1977 Place: IA 6. Ronald Dean James Son Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks Born: 1945 Place: Lucas County., Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Married:1969 Place: California To: Sandra Sue Kale Daug. Of: Roy Kale & Alma Unknown Born: 1944 Place: California Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Children Of: Ronald Dean James & Sandra Sue Kale 1. Matthew David James Son Of: Ronald Dean James & Sandra Sue Kale Born: 1971 Place: MO. 2. Jennifer Lynn James Daug. Of: Ronald Dean James & Sandra Sue Kale Born: 1978 Place: IA. 7. Vernon Ray James Son Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks Born: 1947 Place: IA Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Married: 1972 Place: IA To: Malinda Sue Good Daug. Of: Willis Good & Martha Unknown Born: 1945 Place: IA Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Children Of: Vernon Ray James & Malinda Sue Good 1. Thomas Patrick James Son Of: Vernon Ray James & Malinda Sue Good Born: 1974 Place: IA. 2. Shannon Rae James Daug. Of: Vernon Ray James & Malinda Sue Good Born: 1976 Place: IA 8. Gary Lee James Son Of: Herbert Orbin James & Hazel Crooks Born: 1949 Place: IA Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Married: 1973 Place: IA To: Suzanne Marie Crane Daug. Of: Joseph Crane & Margaret Unknown Born: 1954 Place: IA Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Children Of: Gary Lee James & Suzanne Marie Crane 1. Mollie Marie James Daug. Of: Gary Lee James & Suzanne Marie Crane Born: 1977 Place: IA 2. Nicholas Lee James Son Of: Gary Lee James & Suzanne Marie Crane Born: 1980 Place: IA 1. Herbert Orbin James Son Of: Arleigh Vane James & Mrytle Krutsinger Born:1915 Place: Lucas County., Iowa Died: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss. Still Living" Burried: "Poss. Still Living" Place: "Poss.Still Living" Remarried:{2} 1955 Place:{2} Blooming, Prairie Coutny., Minnestoa To: {2} Ila Kaye Dischler Daug. {2} Carl Dischler & Anna Heyen Born:{2} 1918 Place: {2} Ottertail County., Minnesota Died:{2} "Poss. Still Living" Place: {2} Poss. Still Living" Burried: {2} Poss. Still Living" Place: {2} Poss. Still Living" Children Of: **Herbert Orbin James & ILa Kaye Dischler {**Unknown At This Time}

Hi, gals, as a long believer in Quintrell, I will agree with anything he supposes, because he wants proof beyond belief for everything. He was the first one to tell me never to AS-Sume Anything, ;you've got to trust him when he says maybe, that's what you can believe. He doesn't promise anything without a document.Way back when there was no proof, we McBee's were on the move. We didn't take our records with us, the next move was most important, not the last one. Happy Thanksgiving. Lorrainae McBee Wheeler

Who Attended the 1621 "First Thanksgiving?" John Alden 22 hired as cooper Isaac Allerton 35 Bartholomew Allerton 8 Remember Allerton (girl) 6 Mary Allerton 4 John Billington 41 Elinor Billington 37 John Billington 13 Francis Billington 11 William Bradford 31 William Brewster 53 Mary Brewster 52 Love Brewster (boy) 10 Wrestling Brewster (boy) 7 Peter Browne 21 Carver's maidservant 24*servant to Carver Mary Chilton 14 Francis Cooke 38 John Cooke 14 Humility Cooper (girl) 2 John Crackstone 21 (est.) Edward Dotey 21 servant to Hopkins Francis Eaton 29 Samuel Eaton 1 _______ Ely 23* hired seaman Samuel Fuller 41 Samuel Fuller, Jr. 14* Richard Gardiner 22* Stephen Hopkins 40 Elizabeth Hopkins 27 Constance Hopkins 16 Giles Hopkins 14 Damaris Hopkins (girl) 3 Oceanus Hopkins (boy) approx.1 John Howland 28 servant to Carver William Latham 13 servant to Carver Edward Lester 22* servant to Hopkins Desire Minter (girl) 15* Richard Moore 7 "put to" Brewster Priscilla Mullins 19 (est.) Joseph Rogers 17 Henry Sampson 17 George Soule 24 servant to Winslow Myles Standish 37 Elizabeth Tilley 14 William Trevore 23* hired seaman Richard Warren 41 Resolved White (boy) 6 Peregrine White (boy) approx. 11 months Edward Winslow 26 Susanna Winslow 31 Gilbert Winslow 21 NOTES : Ages marked by an * are conjectural. (est.) meaning estimated, has a more factual basis than *. Native Peoples who attended the 1621 event: The only name we have is Massasoit. However, it is almost certain that Squanto, the Pilgrim’s translator, was present as well. Among other probable attendees are Hobbamock, Quadequina (Massasoit’s brother), and Tokamahamon (mentioned in Mourt’s Relation in June 1621, as a "special friend"). We do not know whether Samoset was still in the Plymouth area or had already returned to Maine. Taken from http://www.plimoth.org/Library/Thanksgiving/thnksatt.htm Happy Thanksgiving!

My apologies to the McBee family web, I didn't have a will, I had The notes from Denzel Mauldin and 2 or 3 DAR members' family lines which named the sons from the deeds.. My notes date back just 10 years and I have yet to establish a connection from Nancy to her presumed father. If there is a deed naming her, or a tax record, I do not have it. The closest I came was a court record where she was arrested for fighting with a neighbor, and Israel her husband had to bail her out. But nothing to indicate her father. There is also evidence that Israel McBee lived next door to Shadrack Hale. I think that was a tax record in Wash. Co.My main problem is that I am also ten years older and can't remember and have insufficient notes . Not good to be an aging genealogist. It is so aggravating to have the Hale family back to 1688, and can't connect. Darn. Anyway, it's been interesting to be in this family. It is still a surprise to find a McBee descendant from my grandfather's first marriage. This one surfaced this year. What fun. He didn't even have a picture of our common grandfather, I was pleased to send a copy via my son's scanner. Do we ever finish? Lorraine McBee Wheeler Tigard, OR

Does anyone have any proof that Israel McBee and Nancy Hale were wed, Nancy presumably was daughter of Shadrack Hale==but his will names only his sons. Darn. What I need is some sort of bible record, but I suppose it's gone by now. One stone wall I can't climb. Lorraine McBee Wheeler, Tigard, OR

Lorainne--good to see your name on this forum! You sent me a copy of your Beeler-Mcbee paper about 10 years ago. I have been slogging away with family history since. Denzel Mauldin sent me pages from his Hale history several years ago that applied to my Mcbee line. one of his notes says" shadrack Hale left no will and no family record has been found naming his children. the personal property left at shadrack's death was administered by John Henderson in claiborne co. Tn. In 1809, he sold property to his eldest son, Shadrack Hale Jr. this transaction was witnessed by Talbot Hale. Washington Co TN Tax records indicate that "Little Meshack Hale is a son of shadrack Hale, as does this county's deeds support that Nancy (Hale) Mcbee is his daughter. I know I have seen other circumstantial evidence, but not sure I have a good "proof" where did you find a Will for Shadrack Hale? I have other info about Israel and Nancy and decendants, But I am sure most of it you found years ago. cya LuAnn Kline kluann@juno.com