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Sorry to waste your time-Rogers now inform me thast change will take place on November 22/01 Please amend your records at that time-James Moran. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Moran To: Thomas Arn ; Ronnie Whiteley ; Ronnie Whiteley ; Robert Marquis ; Richard Waite ; Recie Burke ; Peter Kalpouzos ; Peter Butterworth ; Peter Butterworth ; Peter Butterworth ; Patrick Rothery ; Pat Newnham ; [email protected] ; Louise Spark, Swiss Peak Ltd. ; Louis Dinneen ; Lisa Waywell ; Kathleen Denmark ; [email protected] ; John Moran ; Joe & Myriam Hill ; Jean Marie O'Neill ; Harley Miller ; Gunter Benirschke ; Graham Warren ; Gerard Moran ; George Hobson SP ; David Oxley ; Daniel Oehy ; Conal Thornton ; Conal Thornton ; Colin Huismans ; Carl McMurray ; Bruce Kerslake ; Bernard Moran ; Barry Murphy ; Antonietta Simone ; Anne Marie Beddis ; Anne Burke Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Change to e-mail address Will be :[email protected] from now on. Please change your records accordingly-James Moran.

Will be :[email protected] from now on. Please change your records accordingly-James Moran.

Hi Joseph I note your posting that you are searching for MORANS in Connaught and advise I am looking for Moran ancestors also. I give you my info in case you have come across any common names in your research. Patrick HYNES b. 1789 at Westmeath Co Ireland who married Ann DOYLE b. 1791 at Westmeath. They had children inc. Patrick Hynes (Jnr) b. 17.3.1815 at Westmeath Co. Patrick Jnr married Julia GINTY (Julia b. 7.5.1821 to parents John GINTY and Catherine MORAN). Patrick and Julia married circa 1830 - 1837 and had ?? children, only one known of, namely ANNIE / ANN HYNES b. circa 1837/1838 in Co Westmeath. Julia died in 1849. Patrick Jnr emig'd to Aust pre 3/1850 and there re-married, a Harriet Bailey, b. 26.9.1832 at Robertsbridge, Sussex, on 5.3.1850 at Morpeth, NSW. I estimate that Catherine MORAN was born circa 1800, possibly in Co Westmeath but not a certainty, to parents unknown. Have you come across a Catherine MORAN in your research? Kind Regards, CHERYLANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:09 PM Subject: [MAYO] MORAN and DERRIG > Mayo People, > > I am searching for information on my ggg grandparents > > Patrick DERRIG m. Julia MORAN, both from Connaught, by > tradition. I know of two daughters > > Bridget Derrig b. 10 May 1835, married George Madden > Catherine b. ca 1833, married Michael Coleman > > Any information or advice will be greatly appreciated. > > Joe Holland >

Civil registration began in 1864 but the sacramental register for Swinford begins in 1808. Here is the Family History listing: Includes records from Killmovee and Swineford. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Microfilm of originals at Ballaghaderreen, Co. Roscommon. A portion of these records were filmed by the National Library of Ireland, and the remainder by the Genealogical Society. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Killmove also spelled Kilmovee. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Swineford was a parish but later became a part of Kilconduff parish. Baptisms, 1841-1915; marriages, 1846-1878. FHL BRITISH Film 1279233 Items 5 - 9 Baptisms, 1822-1900; marriages, 1808-1915. FHL BRITISH Film 926020 Ellen, descendant of Patt Mulderig and Bridget Gallagher who were married Mar 1, 1810 in Swinford. mumjoyce wrote: >Does anyone have access to B>M>D>'s for Swinford for the period 1820 - 1850? Looking for JOYCE and MELLETT > >Here's hoping, >Wally B > > > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Pat McHale and John McHale are listed in the GV for Kincon, Kilfian parish. Richard McHale, his son married Honor Nealon pre 1861 based on the age of the first child. No local records are available as to where. Tell me what you want and I will try to help. [email protected] wrote: > do you have griffiths valuation for the parish of kilfian. there > were several mchales there in 1856-57 including one patrick mchale > living on kilcon the name nealon does not show up in the parish so > this would indicate that honora came from a nearby parish. it was > and still is the custom that the couple be married in the parish of > the bride. i am very familiar with kilfian as my people came from > the parish of ballysakerry, the next parish to the east. how much do > you have and where did you find it MAC

Does anyone have access to B>M>D>'s for Swinford for the period 1820 - 1850? Looking for JOYCE and MELLETT Here's hoping, Wally B

An Honor McHale was born to Richard McHale and Honor Nealon in Kincon on 2/10/1864. She had a brother Patrick born c. 1861. His grandfather also named Patrick was born c. 1802 in Kincon, parish of Kilfian. Jim [email protected] wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Surnames: McHale > Classification: Query > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/5M0.2ACIB/215.1.1 > > Message Board Post: > > Honor (born 1864 - approx) had a brother Patrick - don't know when he was born. I am sending for her death certificate in PA to see if it contains her parents names. Don't know when brother Patrick was born, or if there was a big age difference between them. But presumably a Patrick born in about 1843 could very well be her father, since that is her brother's name. > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Ellen et al, >>The Library of Congress sells the Ordnance Survey maps for about S$11.50 as does the Irish Genealogical Society International>> I've seen this posting a number of times, and every time I go to the IGSI website, there is no mention of the six-inch maps - only the Discovery maps and the old 1/2" series of maps. They do state that they have the six-inch maps, but no longer supply copies of them ("wear and tear"). I've tried the Library of Congress several times, but have always been frustrated by their photocopying terminology. I know that they start with a $12 charge, just to look at the order. I also get the "impression" that copies larger than 11 x 17" would qualify for the "over-sized" copies, which seems to have additional charges associated with it. Is there anyone out there who has actually had a six-inch map copied by the Library of Congress ? I'd like to know how much it cost (and how they managed to navigate through the LOC website). I didn't want to get into the finer details of the older Ordnance Survey maps, but I do have an additional source (which I haven't availed myself of, yet). Here is an excerpt of a letter I recently received: >>>Although the Map Library holds both the 1st and 2nd editions of the Irish 6" maps, only the 2nd edition maps can readily be photocopied (the 1st edition maps are bound in large unwieldy volumes). We do not, alas, hold the 25" mapping; for these the Map Library of Trinity College, Dublin, or the National Archives of Ireland would be the best institutions to approach. See http://www2.tcd.ie/Library/maplib.htm http://www.nationalarchives.ie/ Yes, we can supply A0 copies; indeed for sheets the size of the Irish 6" maps we prefer to copy the entire map, as this reduces the amount of handling of the map during the copying process. For details of sizes, prices, etc see http://www.nls.uk/collections/maps/services/reprographics/photocopying.html For details concerning payment see http://www.nls.uk/collections/maps/services/reprographics/payment.html ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ////////////////// For more information on this, you can contact the author of the above information: >>Peter Milne Map Library Services Manager National Library of Scotland 33 Salisbury Place Tel: 0131-466-3813 Edinburgh Fax: 0131-466-3812 EH9 1SL E-mail [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looks like it might be a good source (but the postage might kill you), Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

St. Cormac is the church in Moygownagh. The information you are looking for may be under the ED (election district). Yuo might check the LDS films on east Kilfian. I believe that would cover many of the townlands in the Moygownagh parish. Jim [email protected] wrote: > Can anyone help with information on this Roman Catholic parish? The village > is located near Crossmolina. The National Library in Dublin doesn't seem to > have the registers for this village, and I can't find it filmed in the FHC > LDS library. > > Does anyone else have any ancestors that came from that village? I am > researching the name BIRRANE. > > Any suggestions will really be appreciated. Thank you. > > Marilyn > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Pete, et al., I sent a letter snail mail with an order for about 8 OS maps (my friends and I pooled our order so only paid one shipping charge) to the Library of Congress. They copied the maps and mailed them rolled in a tube. The copies were about 2'x4', Second Edition, 1900, at the same scale as the Griffith's. These maps resulted from a resurvey made in 1895. It certainly beat the price in Dublin when the punt was high! The LA Family History Center and the Newberry Library have microfiche copies of the GV. At one time, the Newberry would make photocopies. Ellen

Ann at [email protected] writes: << Camderrynabinnia townland at the time of Griffiths valuation, would be greatly appreciated. Also, what OS maps would cover this area >> Ann, Regarding the current OS Discovery series maps, Camderrynabinnia townland is shown on map # 31, and is located at 290 883, about 3 miles NE of Balla town. If you are interested in the six-inch to the mile scale maps from the mid-1800's (which, I understand, show various farm boundaries and other small detail), your townland appears on Mayo County Series Six-Inch map LXXX (or, number 80 - the OSI use roman numerals on their 6" maps to separate their numbers from various other map series numbers). The complete 6" map LXXX will cost you a bit more than $50 from the Ordnance Survey !!!! But this map covers four by six miles, and includes many more townlands than you would probably require. Camderrynabinnia itself is covered by the following subdivision (25" to the mile) maps, numbers LXXX 5, LXXX 9 and LXXX 10. A small piece of the larger map, covering this area, should be considerably cheaper than the fifty dollars for the entire map copy. You can inquire of Sean Tobin at the Ordnance Survey, >> [email protected] <<. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

I am interested in making contact with researchers who might be researching any of these families. I am particularly interested in the GORMAN connection. Mrs. Celia WILLIS d Sunday 5 Feb 1950 Ballina, Co. Mayo Author: Walt Date: 27 Oct 2001 1:31 PM GMT Surnames: WILLIS, KELLY, MC LOUGHLIN, GORMAN, NOLAN, MULLIGAN, CORCORAN, TOUHILL, KNOX Western People reported the death of Mrs. Celia WILLIS which took place at St. Joseph's Hospital, Ballina, on Sunday 5 February 1950. She was a daughter of the late James MC LOUGLIN, Moyne House, Killala and grand-niece of the late Rev. Peter NOLAN, P.P., Killala; Rev. David NOLAN, S.J. and Dr NOLAN, Ballina; and a cousin of the late Msgr. Walter O'GORMAN, PA USA; and Dr. James WALSH of Fordham University, NY. The remains were removed to St. Muredach's Cathedral on Sunday and Tuesday 7th of February services were held. The funeral took place afterwards to Leigue Cemetery. The chief mourners were- Michael WILLIS (husband); J.D. KELLY (son), Mrs. J. P. MULLIGAN, Mrs.P.J. TOUHILL, Mrs. J. CORCORAN (daughters), John MC LOUGHLIN (brother), Mrs.J. D. KELLY (daughter-in-law), .....TOUHILL, Larry CORCORAN (sons-in-law), Mrs. M. EARLY (sister-in-law); James, Maureen, Eileen and John KELLY; Maureen and Michael TOUHILL; Francis and Joan CORCORAN (grandchildren) and Mrs. B. KNOX (cousin) Regards, Walt Walton J. Sullivan at [email protected] Paternal - SULLIVAN, COLEMAN, CUMMINGS, O'BRIEN, BOLD, BLACK, CAFFREY, CAVENEY, CORBETT, CROWE, DISKIN, DONEGAN, FEE, FLAHERTY, GABRIEL, GORMAN, GERRITY, JENKINS, JENNINGS, LYNCH, MC GREEVEY, O'CONNOR, PHILBIN, ROLAND, SHEA, SHIELDS, STAFFORD, STANTON, STEINHAUSER, WALTON, WEISS, PA- Dunmore, Old Forge, Minooka, Taylor, Scranton, Hawley, Mt. Pleasant, Pittsburgh; NY-Kingston, Amsterdam:NJ-Union City, Jersey City, North Bergen http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/s/u/l/Walton--J-Sullivan/index.html http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=wsullivw http://www.gencircles.com/users/wsullivw/1

The Library of Congress sells the Ordnance Survey maps for about US$11.50 as does the Irish Genealogical Society International, PO Box 16585, St. Paul MN 55116. You must specify which OS you want. These are are Second Edition, 1900, 6 inches to the mile. The Valuation Office sells the 6 inch: mile map, which is the map made at the time of Griffith's Valuation, for IRpunt 20 Irish townland maps for MAYO FHLC 6342449 at US15 cents per sheet. Microreproduction of original maps compiled by the trainees of Derry Youth and Community Workshop and employees of the Inner City Trust. Funded by the Department of Economic Development. [Supervisor:] Brian Mitchell. Project Director: Patrick L. Doherty. You need the OS map to get the full view as the maps drawn by this group are not all to the same scale and only have the townlands in a parish. I can see the relative locations for three generations on two maps pasted together. We really need the Jeep in Ireland, not in San Diego! Without the sun to give us the clue as to directionality, we get lost a lot but then, we get to talk with the locals and hear the interesting speech patterns giving directions. Ellen [email protected] wrote: >Ann at [email protected] writes: > ><< Camderrynabinnia townland at the time of Griffiths valuation, would be >greatly appreciated. Also, what OS maps would cover this area >> > >Ann, > >Regarding the current OS Discovery series maps, Camderrynabinnia townland is >shown on map # 31, and is located at 290 883, about 3 miles NE of Balla town. > >If you are interested in the six-inch to the mile scale maps from the >mid-1800's (which, I understand, show various farm boundaries and other small >detail), your townland appears on Mayo County Series Six-Inch map LXXX (or, >number 80 - the OSI use roman numerals on their 6" maps to separate their >numbers from various other map series numbers). The complete 6" map LXXX >will cost you a bit more than $50 from the Ordnance Survey !!!! But this map >covers four by six miles, and includes many more townlands than you would >probably require. Camderrynabinnia itself is covered by the following >subdivision (25" to the mile) maps, numbers LXXX 5, LXXX 9 and LXXX 10. A >small piece of the larger map, covering this area, should be considerably >cheaper than the fifty dollars for the entire map copy. You can inquire of >Sean Tobin at the Ordnance Survey, >> [email protected] <<. > >Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

First, Irish research is totally different than any place else. The administrative divisions are unique. Rather than write it all here, I suggest that you go to FIANNA for a good study guide to Irish genealogy offering more than 500 pages to help you find your Irish roots. http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/ URLs to transcribed records http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/transcript/index.html URLs to transcribed records Now, for your specific needs to plan research: You can use the Civil Register of Births, Marriages and Deaths as registration of non-Catholic marriages began in 1845 in Ireland. Registration of births, marriages and deaths, regardless of religion, began January 1, 1864. The sister had to get married under her maiden name and, yes, the grooms' parish is on the civil record plus the fathers' names and occupations. Then, look for any children she might have had. Certificates for births, marriages and deaths for all of Ireland until 1922 and for the Republic since 1922 are housed in Dublin. Civil registration of births, deaths and marriages in Ireland names the townland that is the address in rural Ireland. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, the Mormons, has copies of almost all of the General Register Office indices and some registers, making direct access to both registers and indices possible through the local Family History Centers. You can do-it-yourself at the local Family History Centers because the FHL has acquired Irish civil registration records. There are Family History Centers scattered throughout the world, located in the LDS meeting-houses. The FHCs are generally listed in the local phonebook under Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints with its own phone number. Or, go to familysearch.org. If you search the Index and can identify your target, note the name, district, volume and page, necessary in order to obtain a photocopy of the full information given in that entry. Then, determine the appropriate FHLC microfilm number. You may then complete the "Request to Photocopy" following the instructions to the letter and mail it with a check for $2.00. In addition, some parts of the early years of birth registrations appear to be included in the International Genealogical Index. I use this when possible as the Index only gives the Registrar's District. I wrote to The Western People in Ballina when I was beginning this project and received good information from people who had emigrated but originated in Mayo. It's certainly worth a go. I do not know of any emigration publication. The 1901 and 1911 (not yet available for Mayo) would give you information about any family who stayed behind. I did not check familysearch.org but you will need to know the townland in addition to the parish. Good luck, Ellen [email protected] wrote: >Thank you very much for your reply. Wouldn't you know it....MY village >doesn't have records. Can you suggest something else? > >I know that Patrick and Michael Birrane came to the U.S. in the early 1880s. >Supposedly their father's name was Thomas -- and they left at least one >brother and one sister behind in Ireland. I do not know the name of Thomas' >wife and both Patrick and Michael were married after they arrived in New >York. Supposedly both Pat and Mike were born prior to 1864. > >Do you know if the marriage records of the parishes tell where the groom is >from if the marriage is taking place in the parish of the bride? With luck, >Thomas' wife might be from Crossmolina or another the small villages near >Moygawaugh. Is this a possibility? > >I am relatively new at Irish research. I am fairly good at German, but I >don't yet know the ins and outs of Irish. > >Do you know if there are emigration records available? I have the >immigration records for them (at least I think it is them -- all of families >seemed to be named Pat and Mike). If there are emigration records -- where? >Also, would the local newspapers have said they were going? I know in >Germany, the newspapers often listed those who were emigrating so that anyone >who was owned money could catch them before they left the country. > >Thanks for your assistance. > >Marilyn >

Can anyone help with information on this Roman Catholic parish? The village is located near Crossmolina. The National Library in Dublin doesn't seem to have the registers for this village, and I can't find it filmed in the FHC LDS library. Does anyone else have any ancestors that came from that village? I am researching the name BIRRANE. Any suggestions will really be appreciated. Thank you. Marilyn

There are no pre-1880 sacramental registers for Moygownagh which accounts for your being unable to find them in the NLI and FHLC. Ellen [email protected] wrote: >Can anyone help with information on this Roman Catholic parish? The village >is located near Crossmolina. The National Library in Dublin doesn't seem to >have the registers for this village, and I can't find it filmed in the FHC >LDS library. > >Does anyone else have any ancestors that came from that village? I am >researching the name BIRRANE. > >Any suggestions will really be appreciated. Thank you. > >Marilyn > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Camderrynabinnia townland was occupied by Simon Gallagher, Nancy Gallagher, Patrick Dunlany, Catherine Conlon, Patrick Gallagher, Michael McLoughlin, Thomas Conlan, Ml. McLoughlin jun. with a total value of 48 pound, 15 shillings, and 0 pence. OS map 80. Camderrynabinnia townland is on the western edge of Killedan, abutting Templemore parish. A road runs through but you will need a friendly native guide to get there from Kiltimagh. The RC parish is Kiltimagh, the church is dedicated to the Holy Family, the Parish Priest is Fr. Paddy Kilcoyne. The sacramental register is available through the Family History Library Catalog or see Nancy Reeb's transcription online. Good luck, Ellen, descendant of Michael Clarke of Garryroe. [email protected] wrote: >Any information anyone could give me about Patrick Gallagher and family from >the Killedan RC parish, Camderrynabinnia townland at the time of Griffiths >valuation, would be greatly appreciated. Also, what OS maps would cover this >area ?.Does anyone know the RC Church for this parish ? Thank you. > > Ann Gallagher, >Hawley, PA > > >============================== >Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online--FREE for 14 Days >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1238 > >

Hi Ann Here are a few families that were there. It's not much but hope it helps. Nancy Reeb Andrew Gallagher & Bridget Gallagher children 1867 bapt. Oct. 13th Margaret, spons: Thady & Catherine Gallagher 1871 bapt. Jan. 5th John, spons: John Gallagher & Catherine Gallagher 1874 bapt. Apr. 25th Bridget, spons: Pat & Mary Gallagher 1867 married March 3rd Andrew Gallagher of Camderra s/o Michael to Anne McDonagh of Treenaglera d/o Anthony John Gallagher & Anne Carney children 1873 bapt. May 4th Anne, spons: Andrew Carney & Mary Gallagher John Gallagher & Mary Carney children 1875 bapt. June 6th Michael, spons: Andrew & Mary Gallagher, (married to Mary _____ on Feb. 2_, 1912) Pat Gallagher & Catherine Foy children 1868 bapt. Oct. 25th Catherine, spons: Thomas Foy & Catherine Gallagher 1872 bapt. Aug. 18th Sarah, spons: Andrew & Bridget Gallagher [email protected] wrote: > Any information anyone could give me about Patrick Gallagher and family from > the Killedan RC parish, Camderrynabinnia townland at the time of Griffiths > valuation, would be greatly appreciated. Also, what OS maps would cover this > area ?.Does anyone know the RC Church for this parish ? Thank you. > > Ann Gallagher, > Hawley, PA > > ============================== > Ancestry.com--Your #1 Source for Family History Online--FREE for 14 Days > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=702&sourceid=1238

The title of a documentary by Mark Day of California is "San Patricos". Bill McDonald has shot a new version, entitled "One Man's Hero" in Durango, Mexico. The fate of the San Patricos was sad and cruel, as the US meted out severe punishment to the Irish group when the Americans finally overran Mexican territory. Go to http://www.thefenians.com/recordings.html#roguesclips to hear the story in song. For information about "The San Patricos" go to Mark Day's web page http://www.day-communications.com/in_distribution/hunger.htm The Irish Mexican connection is explored at http://www.elandar.com/back/www-march96/andar/feature/feature.htm For more information about the story of the Saint Patrick's Brigade visit Tom Berenger On-line: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/9124/write.html The Celtic Connection State of Texas also tells the story of the San Patricos with pictures and music to accompany the text at http://users.ev1.net/~gpmoran/STATETX.htm Ellen