I'd be interested in the answer to this question as well. In a message dated 1/13/2002 9:48:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Good discussions on the list -- and I have an 'off-list' question.... I > also have people in County Kerry, does anybody know if/when the Kerry > Family History Center will be back up? It has been 'computerizing records' > for over a year? > Thank you > Barb >

Good discussions on the list -- and I have an 'off-list' question.... I also have people in County Kerry, does anybody know if/when the Kerry Family History Center will be back up? It has been 'computerizing records' for over a year? Thank you Barb

The sites were wonderful as you all are, Many Thanks God Bless, Ray Gavan

My son Dan is getting married on Sat 19th Jan at St.Marys cathereral in Sydney and I would like to include in my speech as father of the groom an irish blessing that is meaningful to a son from his father or for the future, or simliar, any help much much appreciated, Ray Gavan.

In a message dated 1/11/2002 6:30:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > > Could anyone tell me the meaning of this Gaelic phrase: "Slán go fóill, do > chara" > > Goodbye for awhile (or for now) my friend. :)

Could anyone tell me the meaning of this Gaelic phrase: "Slán go fóill, do chara" Many thanks Tony MacGregor

Hi Ray, There is a web-site of Irish Blessings at: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/5023/bless.html You might find something there. Much happiness to your son, Dan, and his new bride. Best Regards, Joe Egan San Diego, California Ray and Jamie GAVAN wrote: > > My son Dan is getting married on Sat 19th Jan at St.Marys cathereral in > Sydney and I would like to include in my speech as father of the groom > an irish blessing that is meaningful to a son from his father or for the > future, or simliar, any help much much appreciated, > Ray Gavan. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

There was a discussion of this disease last year. For further information go to http://www.healthfinder.gov/scripts/SearchContext.asp?topic=394 There are 4 articles. Ellen roselle chase wrote: > >Dear Friends, > I researched this subject a l ittle after reading that a very high percentage of Irish males suffer from this undiagnosed disease. As it is genetically transfered among males and carried by females., Please read about this disease and warn others who may be carrying it. It is fatal if not treated but is rarely recognized by many doctors. A wake-. up call since the discovery and uses of DNA. Just lost a male Irish friend who was diagnosid as a blood cancer or some such. > [email protected] > > > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Dear Friends, I researched this subject a l ittle after reading that a very high percentage of Irish males suffer from this undiagnosed disease. As it is genetically transfered among males and carried by females., Please read about this disease and warn others who may be carrying it. It is fatal if not treated but is rarely recognized by many doctors. A wake-. up call since the discovery and uses of DNA. Just lost a male Irish friend who was diagnosid as a blood cancer or some such. [email protected]

hmmm ... turning to the Brits to verify our Irishness, I hear an echo of our history there

Dear Sirs: I so enjoy your articles and letters and read all very carefully. Recently there have been series of comments and letters regarding the gene present in the Y-Chromosome in the blood off Irish Males. I discarded the one particular article describing name of the abnormality and the description of the iron collecting in the red blood cells. I do not need the group number but rather the scientific name so that I can do further reading on the subject. Could you send me a repeat of that information? Thank you, Sincerely, [email protected]

Hi Sue: The website of Oxford Ancestors is http://www.oxfordancestors.com/. I notice that since I had my DNA tested about a year ago, two new services are now offered. One will enable you to trace your father's lineage, and the other will let you find out if you have Viking ancestry. The cost of the matri (mother) line is $220 U.S. Oxford Ancestors will send you a kit. You take a swab from the inside of your cheek and send it off in a plastic baggie. I hope this helps. I'm sure if the Irish University that undertook the "Irish genes" study (I believe it was Trinity) offered a similar service to detect Irish ancestry, they would be swamped. I would certainly like the service since I'm having trouble tracing my ancestry beyond my great grandfather, Michael Cowan who, family tradition has, came from Ballina, County Mayo. Best Wishes Sue. Tony MacGregor -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 8:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MAYO] DNA swab Tony Can you tell us more about sending a swab to Oxford University to determine which of the seven mothers we descend from ? How do you send the swab ? In a sealed baggie ? What is the cost ? Sue ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Tony Can you tell us more about sending a swab to Oxford University to determine which of the seven mothers we descend from ? How do you send the swab ? In a sealed baggie ? What is the cost ? Sue

My father was very fair with blue eyes as were the rest of his siblings. Yet his first cousin was "Dark to black hair, brown eyes and darker skin then the average Irishman. His cousin's daughter was taken for Italian while growing up in the Bronx. This article has been around for a while. When I first read it I wondered if any research was done to see if Hemochromatosis (Iron overload or Celtic genetic disorder) runs in this group. I hadn't seen a follow-up on it. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Cherry of Cratloe Co. Clare and Brooklyn/Queens FitzGerald/Regan of Glenroe Co. Limerick and Ballinslea, Co. Cork and Brooklyn/Queens Grant/Morgan of Clonduff Parish Co. Down Grant of Pittsburgh, PA and NYC Hopkins of Crimlin, Castlebar Co. Mayo and NYC Morgan/Wood of Brown County, Ohio > > A fascinating article! My people came from Achill and were always > referred to as "black" Irish. Dark to black hair, brown eyes and darker > skin then the average Irishman. >

gee that is an oxymoron! irish and tans-black and tans were the controversial group as i remember-but the train of thought i had was this. my relatives that are irish either had jet black hair w/ ice blue eyes and white skin or redhead and freckles w/ blue eyes. however, my grandfather tanned red like a bronze color. also an irish uncle by marriage did too-and had the ice blue eyes and black hair.i am the only female in my family on that side that tans! and several of my kids are of the fish belly white irish skin -lol- out of 5, only one gets really tan and he is blonde with blue eyes/ the others tan eventually but not like their brother and i do. my mother and grandmother(married to the one who tanned bronze) were not able to tolerate any sun without almost instantaneous blisters-my grandmother got fever sores on lips and my youngest of the 5 does too so he is never without lip gloss even when we lived in nj. weird what passes down! i never thought of having a brown haired brown eyed relative as we*husb and i* dont have any relatives with brown eyes. however, together we have 3 with brown eyes and 2 with blue. have 2 brown eyed grand. and 2 blue eyed. go figure! lol-linda

Has anybody had their DNA tested to confirm their Irish descent? Can this be done. If you send your DNA (a swab from the inside of your cheek) to Oxford University, they can tell you which of the seven women who "mothered" the European people you are descended from. I wonder if an Irish University has set up a similar system. Many thanks Tony MacGregor -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MAYO] DNA - Y Chromosome Quoting Paet Burcham <[email protected]>: <snip> > At least it's good to have an idea where we originally came from. So > many books I've read simply say that they have no idea where the Irish > originally came from. Of course I've always secretly thought that we > were the last remnants of Atlantis! (LOL) Perhaps not so far-fetched. A modern occult writer who follows the Dion Fortune tradition (Gareth Knight or Christine Hartley?) suggests this; which is why the idea comes up in the popular "Arthurian novels of Bradley, Kurtz, Lawhead etc. Peter [email protected] ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

A fascinating article! My people came from Achill and were always referred to as "black" Irish. Dark to black hair, brown eyes and darker skin then the average Irishman. My uncle always told about when he was stationed in Hondo Texas during WWII - he looked so "Mexican" that if he went off base on a weekend pass in civilian clothes he had to make sure that he took along some "whiter" looking buddies so that he wouldn't get beaten up by the other guys from the base who would mistake him for a local. Oddly, if I remember right, a good many Spanish are very fair skinned and even red hair. At least it's good to have an idea where we originally came from. So many books I've read simply say that they have no idea where the Irish originally came from. Of course I've always secretly thought that we were the last remnants of Atlantis! (LOL) Paet On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 06:58:32 EST [email protected] writes: > In a message dated 1/7/2002 10:49:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] > writes: > > > > According to a New York Times article on 23 March, this discovery > also > > shows that these Irish came from pre-Ice Age Spain. > > boy...you'd think we'd get a tan out of at least one of those > spanish > genes! :( > >

I agree with Liz. But I have a question; What's a tan? LOL

Quoting Paet Burcham <[email protected]>: <snip> > At least it's good to have an idea where we originally came from. So > many books I've read simply say that they have no idea where the Irish > originally came from. Of course I've always secretly thought that we > were the last remnants of Atlantis! (LOL) Perhaps not so far-fetched. A modern occult writer who follows the Dion Fortune tradition (Gareth Knight or Christine Hartley?) suggests this; which is why the idea comes up in the popular "Arthurian novels of Bradley, Kurtz, Lawhead etc. Peter [email protected]

It sure does, but pre ice age they were cave dwellers. But be of good cheer. Even 17,000 years ago our ancestors were talented. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_871000/871930.stm That's my good deed for the day. Cheers Liz and all. Donald O'Collaugh Kelly National Coordinator Ireland Genealogy Projects URL= http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [MAYO] DNA - Y Chromosome > In a message dated 1/7/2002 10:49:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] > writes: > > > > According to a New York Times article on 23 March, this discovery also > > shows that these Irish came from pre-Ice Age Spain. > > boy...you'd think we'd get a tan out of at least one of those spanish > genes! :( > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >