***-----Original Message----- ***From: James W. Crippen [mailto:crippen3@alaska.com] ***Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 2:51 AM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: Re: [MFLR] Freeman list *** *** ***S Biermann: ***If you successfully capture this list, I too am interested. I have a ***nebulous pair who arrived from England after 1650 who appear in a 1665 ***court case. Thomas Crippen must have become a freeman during the ***1665-90 period, judging by the estate. Question is when? ***Good luck on your quest. ***JC3 James, it isn't clear to me whether you know that Thomas Crippen was in fact a freeman. I looked through the index of each volume of PCR which has court orders and did not find Thomas Crippen being granted freemanship [Shurtleff, Nathaniel B._Records of the Colony of New Plymouth in New England_(Boston, the Press of William White, 1855, reprinted New York, AMS Press, 1968)]. In fact the only mention of Thomas Crippen is 6 Mar. 1665/6, General Court: "Wheras Thomas Crippen hath bine convicted before the Court of lacivious speeches tending to the upholding of and being as a pandor of his wife in lightness and laciviousnes, the Court saw reason to require bonds of him for his good behavior; and wheras the said Crippen could not procure surties, hee hath and doth by these presents bind over unto the Court...the value of forty pounds, out of his estate..." (PCR 4:116) My own personal and quite likely incorrect reading of that ("could not procure surties") suggests to me that Thomas may not have been well-connected at that time. I know nothing about him, but he seems to have been in a Quaker area before he moved to CT--would that have any bearing on things? [Incidentally, PCR Vol. 8 has the 1643 list of freemen]