This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/FO.2ADI/178 Message Board Post: Looking to fix this family tree and expand my family line to the Mayflower Any help is appreciated. Descendants of Thomas White Generation No. 1 1. THOMAS1 WHITE was born 1525, and died October 14, 1579. He married <UNNAMED> Bet. 1541 - 1545 in Newtown Parish, Bingham, Nottingham, England. She was born Abt. 1525. Child of THOMAS WHITE and <UNNAMED> is: 2. i. ALEXANDER2 WHITE, b. 1550, Stourton, Le Steeple, Notinghamshire, England; d. May 06, 1596, Sturton, Nottinghamshire, England. Generation No. 2 2. ALEXANDER2 WHITE (THOMAS1) was born 1550 in Stourton, Le Steeple, Notinghamshire, England, and died May 06, 1596 in Sturton, Nottinghamshire, England. He married ELEANOR SMITH in Of Sturton-Le-, Steeple, Nottingham, England. She was born Abt. 1546 in Of Stourton, Le Steeple, Notts, Eng, and died in Stourton, Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England. More About ALEXANDER WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-GP Burial: 1596, , , Nottinghamshire, Eng Christening: Newton Parish More About ELEANOR SMITH: Ancestral File Number: 8505-HV Burial: , , Eng Christening: Or, Welbourne, Lincs, Eng Children of ALEXANDER WHITE and ELEANOR SMITH are: i. CATHERINE3 WHITE, b. Abt. 1565, Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England; d. May 16, 1621, Sturton Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England. More About CATHERINE WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-FJ ii. CHARLES WHITE, b. 1575, Stourton Le, Steeple, Notts, Eng; d. 1633. Notes for CHARLES WHITE: Mayflower Arrival More About CHARLES WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-PW iii. ROGER WHITE, b. 1578, Stourton, Le Steeple, Notts, Eng. More About ROGER WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-Q3 iv. BRIDGET WHITE, b. 1579, Stourton, Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England; d. 1643, Leyden, Holland, Netherlands. More About BRIDGET WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-NQ v. THOMAS WHITE, b. Abt. 1581, Sturton, Nottingham, England. More About THOMAS WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 23Q6-030 vi. CATHERINE WHITE, b. Abt. 1582, Sheffield, , England. More About CATHERINE WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 16WQ-9LJ vii. CHARLES WHITE, b. Abt. 1584, Sheffield, , England. More About CHARLES WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 16WQ-9FH 3. viii. FRANCES WHITE, b. 1585, Stourton, Le Steeple, Notts, Eng; d. 1636, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England. ix. EDWARD WHITE, b. 1588, Stourton Le, Steeple, Notts, Eng. More About EDWARD WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-TL x. JANE WHITE, b. 1589, Stourton, Le Steeple, Nottingham, England. More About JANE WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-VR 4. xi. WILLIAM WHITE, b. November 10, 1591, Lyden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands; d. February 21, 1620/21, Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts. Generation No. 3 3. FRANCES3 WHITE (ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born 1585 in Stourton, Le Steeple, Notts, Eng, and died 1636 in Rotherham, Yorkshire, England. She married FRANCIS JESSOP Abt. 1605 in Strtn Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England, son of RICHARD JESSOP and ANN SWIFT. He was born November 13, 1569 in Stourton, Le Steeple, Nottinghamshire, England, and died Aft. 1624. More About FRANCES WHITE: Ancestral File Number: 8505-R8 Burial: Abt. 1836, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England More About FRANCIS JESSOP: Ancestral File Number: FBX0-M9 Burial: Sheffield, York, England Child of FRANCES WHITE and FRANCIS JESSOP is: 5. i. JOHN4 JESSEP, b. 1602, England; d. Abt. 1638, Weathesfield, Hartford, Conn. 4. WILLIAM3 WHITE (ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born November 10, 1591 in Lyden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands, and died February 21, 1620/21 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts. He married SUSANNA FULLER February 11, 1611/12 in Leyden, Holland. She was born January 15, 1592/93 in Redenhall, Norfolk, England, and died October 01, 1680. Notes for WILLIAM WHITE: Arrived on the mayflower More About WILLIAM WHITE: Ancestral File Number: FWQJ-0R Burial: Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts Emigration: Mayflower Children of WILLIAM WHITE and SUSANNA FULLER are: 6. i. RESOLVED4 WHITE, b. 1615, Grenn Aley, Leyden, Holland; d. Aft. September 19, 1687. ii. PERIGRINE WHITE, b. Bet. December 07 - 10, 1620, On Mayflower in Provincetown Harbor, Plymoth, MA; d. Bet. July 20 - 22, 1704, Marshfield, MA; m. SARAH BASSETT, Bef. March 06, 1648/49; b. Abt. 1626. Notes for PERIGRINE WHITE: Born on board the Mayflower in Plymouth Harbor. First Documented Birth in America. (Another baby was born on the Mayflower Voyage called Oceana ...) Generation No. 4 5. JOHN4 JESSEP (FRANCES3 WHITE, ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born 1602 in England, and died Abt. 1638 in Weathesfield, Hartford, Conn. He married JOANNA KERRICH 1624 in , Leiden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands. She was born 1604 in Leiden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands, and died Aft. 1648 in , Stamford, Fairfield, Connecticut. More About JOHN JESSEP: Ancestral File Number: 8TX6-6Q More About JOANNA KERRICH: Ancestral File Number: 8TX6-7W Children of JOHN JESSEP and JOANNA KERRICH are: i. JOHN5 JESSUP, b. 1624, Leyden, Holl; d. Long Island, New York. More About JOHN JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: 122J-SHS ii. EDWARD JESSUP, b. Bet. 1624 - 1635, Of, Fairfield, Fairfield, Conn.; d. August 06, 1666, Fairfield, Fairfield, Conn.. More About EDWARD JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: 8TX1-F8 iii. ELIZABETH ANN JESSUP, b. 1628, Of Newtown, Queens, New York. More About ELIZABETH ANN JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: 4V9L-ZB iv. JESSUP, b. Abt. 1630, <Of, Fairfield, Fairfield, Conn.>. More About JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: 9MZP-RG v. JOHANNA JESSUP, b. Abt. 1630; d. 1679, Newtown, Queens, Long Island, New York; m. JOHN BURROUGHS, 1650, Weathersfield, Hartford, Conn.; b. Bet. 1611 - 1612, Barnstable, Devonshire, England; d. August 1678, Newtown, Queens, Long Island, NY. More About JOHANNA JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: KJKV-PM More About JOHN BURROUGHS: Ancestral File Number: KJKV-NG Burial: 1678 vi. ELIZABETH JESSUP, b. Abt. 1634; d. New York; m. JOHN BURROUGHS, 1664, Newtown, Queens, Long Island, New York; b. Bet. 1611 - 1612, Barnstable, Devonshire, England; d. August 1678, Newtown, Queens, Long Island, NY. More About ELIZABETH JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: M4JC-QV More About JOHN BURROUGHS: Ancestral File Number: KJKV-NG Burial: 1678 vii. JOHN JESSUP, b. Abt. 1635, Wethersfield, Hartford, Ct. More About JOHN JESSUP: Ancestral File Number: W6FP-DM 6. RESOLVED4 WHITE (WILLIAM3, ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born 1615 in Grenn Aley, Leyden, Holland, and died Aft. September 19, 1687. He married (1) JUDITH VASSALL November 05, 1640 in Scituate, MA. She was born 1620. He married (2) ABIGAIL LORD October 05, 1674 in Salem, MA. She was born Bet. 1615 - 1654. Children of RESOLVED WHITE and JUDITH VASSALL are: i. WILLIAM5 WHITE, b. April 10, 1642, Scituate, MA. ii. JOHN WHITE, b. March 11, 1643/44, Scituate, MA. iii. SAMUEL WHITE, b. March 13, 1645/46, Scituate, MA. iv. RESOLVED WHITE, b. November 14, 1647, Scituate, MA. v. ANNA WHITE, b. June 04, 1649, Scituate, MA. vi. ELIZABETH WHITE, b. June 04, 1652, Scituate, MA. vii. JOSIAH WHITE, b. September 29, 1654, Scituate, MA. Les

I am a descendant of Resolved White and Judith Vassell, but this is the first news I have heard that the origins of William White had been found. Where did you find this info? Joanne Hunt Litchfield, NH

***-----Original Message----- ***From: Joanne Hunt [mailto:ajh2@adelphia.net] ***Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:21 PM ***To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com ***Subject: Re: [MFLR] William White of the Mayflower *** *** ***I am a descendant of Resolved White and Judith Vassell, but this is the ***first news I have heard that the origins of William White had been found. ***Where did you find this info? ***Joanne Hunt ***Litchfield, NH Joanne, If you look again at the message (which, by the way, came to us courtesy of the message boards--did you reply to the individual who posted it?) you will find the words "Ancestral file" sprinkled throughout. I know the Ancestral files are held in low esteem by some, but as a believer in "choice in genealogy" I always look there first. But before something gets started--I really do use the Ancestral files as probably all of us do for leads, and I have the deepest respect and gratitude for the work of the LDS volunteers and the magnificent resources of the Family History Library which they make available freely to all.

> 4. WILLIAM3 WHITE (ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born November 10, > 1591 in Lyden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands, and died February 21, > 1620/21 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts. He married SUSANNA > FULLER February 11, 1611/12 in Leyden, Holland. She was born > January 15, 1592/93 in Redenhall, Norfolk, England, and died > October 01, 1680. > > Arrived on the mayflower > > More About WILLIAM WHITE: > Ancestral File Number: FWQJ-0R > Burial: Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts > Emigration: Mayflower > > Children of WILLIAM WHITE and SUSANNA FULLER are: > 6. i. RESOLVED4 WHITE, b. 1615, Grenn Aley, Leyden, > Holland; d. Aft. September 19, 1687. > ii. PERIGRINE WHITE, b. Bet. December 07 - 10, 1620, On > Mayflower in Provincetown Harbor, Plymoth, MA; d. Bet. July 20 - > 22, 1704, Marshfield, MA; m. SARAH BASSETT, Bef. March 06, > 1648/49; b. Abt. 1626. > > Notes for PERIGRINE WHITE: > Born on board the Mayflower in Plymouth Harbor. First Documented > Birth in America. (Another baby was born on the Mayflower Voyage > called Oceana ...) > I don't know about the rest of this lineage (but I'd be very careful about it, if the source is the Ancestral File; the lineages for Mayflower and other early Plymouth settlers are, in many cases, not sourced or proven at all) but the note for Peregrine ignores: a. all the Native American births b. Virginia Dare, born at Roanoke in the 1580s, and any other Roanoke births c. any children born earlier at Jamestown, VA; I don't have details (exact dates) but I know that the first women arrived sometime in 1608 (one married 3 months after arriving, and had 4 daughters, so I would guess that one or more were born before Peregrine), with the first 'mail-order brides' arriving during 1619;, so I expect that it is likely that at least one of them had given birth by Dec. 1620. This may be overly nitpicky.... but we should be careful about our sources and notes. So, while the Ancestral File may be a good place to start, it isn't a good place to finish...... I don't have _The Great Migration Begins_ but you may want to check it for the latest research on William's origins. Hope this helps, BJ

Thank you for posting your data on William WHITE- BUT You gotta remember that the Ancestry.com or any place else for that matter is only as good as the research of the person did who sent that name in - it is a clue and that is all - In the Great Migration Begins - Robert Charles ANDERSON in vol 3 pg 1980-1981- doesn't give William WHITE'S parents or his wife's maiden name - it does however say that Susanna was not as often claimed the sister of Samuel and Edward FULLER [MF 1:96, 5-7 & NEHGR 110:182-83]. Mr. Anderson goes on to say on 30 Oct 1623 Edward WINSLOW wrote from London England to "his much respected Uncle Mr. Robert JACKSON" who was clerk of the sewers at Spalding, Lincolnshire, England. In his letter he wrote that "almost two years since I wrote to my father-in-law declaring the death of his son WHITE and the continued health of his daughter and her two children: Also hath had one child by me, but it please him that gave it to take it again unto himself; I left her with child at my departure [whom God preserve] but hope to be with her before her delivery" [NEHGR 1955: 242-43]- Mr. Anderson goes on to say, "that this remains the best clue to her identity." I come thru Thomas 1) WHITE who we in our family have always "known" that he was William's younger brother - that he didn't come on the MAYFLOWER for he stayed in England to complete his schooling to come at a later time. We have always "known" that their parents were: THOMAS -1) WHITE & Francesca -1) MARTIN -- Now I have been told that is not TRUE- also in our family we have always "known" that Susanna was indeed SUSANNA FULLER the sister of our 8th gr grandfather Edward FULLER - now we are told that is not TRUE--- Guess this is what makes genealogy so interesting - Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com -----Original Message----- From: Seth and/or BJ Hinshaw [mailto:hinshaw@localnet.com] Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 2:05 PM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [MFLR] William White of the Mayflower > 4. WILLIAM3 WHITE (ALEXANDER2, THOMAS1) was born November 10, > 1591 in Lyden, Zuid-Holland, Netherlands, and died February 21, > 1620/21 in Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts. He married SUSANNA > FULLER February 11, 1611/12 in Leyden, Holland. She was born > January 15, 1592/93 in Redenhall, Norfolk, England, and died > October 01, 1680. > > Arrived on the mayflower > > More About WILLIAM WHITE: > Ancestral File Number: FWQJ-0R > Burial: Plymouth, Plymouth, Massachusetts > Emigration: Mayflower > > Children of WILLIAM WHITE and SUSANNA FULLER are: > 6. i. RESOLVED4 WHITE, b. 1615, Grenn Aley, Leyden, > Holland; d. Aft. September 19, 1687. > ii. PERIGRINE WHITE, b. Bet. December 07 - 10, 1620, On > Mayflower in Provincetown Harbor, Plymoth, MA; d. Bet. July 20 - > 22, 1704, Marshfield, MA; m. SARAH BASSETT, Bef. March 06, > 1648/49; b. Abt. 1626. > > Notes for PERIGRINE WHITE: > Born on board the Mayflower in Plymouth Harbor. First Documented > Birth in America. (Another baby was born on the Mayflower Voyage > called Oceana ...) > I don't know about the rest of this lineage (but I'd be very careful about it, if the source is the Ancestral File; the lineages for Mayflower and other early Plymouth settlers are, in many cases, not sourced or proven at all) but the note for Peregrine ignores: a. all the Native American births b. Virginia Dare, born at Roanoke in the 1580s, and any other Roanoke births c. any children born earlier at Jamestown, VA; I don't have details (exact dates) but I know that the first women arrived sometime in 1608 (one married 3 months after arriving, and had 4 daughters, so I would guess that one or more were born before Peregrine), with the first 'mail-order brides' arriving during 1619;, so I expect that it is likely that at least one of them had given birth by Dec. 1620. This may be overly nitpicky.... but we should be careful about our sources and notes. So, while the Ancestral File may be a good place to start, it isn't a good place to finish...... I don't have _The Great Migration Begins_ but you may want to check it for the latest research on William's origins. Hope this helps, BJ ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm .