In a message dated 07/22/2002 5:58:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, c2bjm58@yahoo.com writes: << And they had mentioned is another form of information that could be used is a census record . >> I had a problem with one generation - born 1813 in New York with no birth records, died in Arizona 1885 with no death records. I was able to submit a church membership record of family along with Federal census'. Sheila, descendant of Wm. Brewster through Patience Prence.