I like what was said below - I have often thought the same thing - All of the people that have been on 'our' earth before us - when it was their time here, they had the same feelings and problems. As a child when I saw my shadow or watched it rain, laid on my back and found images in the big white fluffy clouds - heard the ocean roar - or ran as fast as I could down a hill - It came to me that when George Washington, Abraham Lincoln - the Indian tribes - everyone in every part of the earth including of course our ancestors - they all saw and felt the same things I was experiencing - how fast could they run down a hill and what did they do when they saw their shadows - I remember when I was a child and I chased my shadow - just as our ancestors did when they were young, and now as a 'grown up' when I see my shadow, I often think of those who have gone on before me - am I in the same spot where they saw their shadows - it brings a lot of things into focus doesn't it? Not much has changed has it? Well, a wee bit, I am now chasing my ancestors cuz I am all grown up now and I don't chase my shadow any more - Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. Karen Sullivan Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/

Yes I agree. IT isn't morbid..its true. We are here only for a short time and then we are gone. That is the truth..nothing morbid about it. We live and breath on this earth and then we die. Look how many centuries the earth has been and then look at how many years a person lives on average and it is so short a time. Trace your ancestors back a few or many generations and there are still more generations to cover--they do vanish one right after another and so will we. It's a fact of life. If you find this statement morbid, I wonder what you think of life really then. Michelle -----Original Message----- From: Wilma Fleming Haynes [mailto:gencon@harborside.com] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:06 AM To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- I like what was said below - I have often thought the same thing - All of the people that have been on 'our' earth before us - when it was their time here, they had the same feelings and problems. As a child when I saw my shadow or watched it rain, laid on my back and found images in the big white fluffy clouds - heard the ocean roar - or ran as fast as I could down a hill - It came to me that when George Washington, Abraham Lincoln - the Indian tribes - everyone in every part of the earth including of course our ancestors - they all saw and felt the same things I was experiencing - how fast could they run down a hill and what did they do when they saw their shadows - I remember when I was a child and I chased my shadow - just as our ancestors did when they were young, and now as a 'grown up' when I see my shadow, I often think of those who have gone on before me - am I in the same spot where they saw their shadows - it brings a lot of things into focus doesn't it? Not much has changed has it? Well, a wee bit, I am now chasing my ancestors cuz I am all grown up now and I don't chase my shadow any more - Wilma Fleming Haynes gencon@harborside.com "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. Karen Sullivan Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/

Karen and other Mayflower Mailing List Members: Keep right on using the quote, because I don't find it offensive, either. We all have our favorite sayings and quotes about genealogy, that we might close an e-mail with or even use as a signature, and I found this researching. I really like this one, because I don't think of my ancestors as "Dead and Gone." I even hesitate to say about any of my ancestors, "They WERE my 10th-great-grandparents," because they STILL ARE my 10th-great-grandparents! The Advantage of Being a Genealogist: "The advantage of having genealogy as a hobby is illustrated by what a friend once told Mrs. James K. Cockrell, a Society member. He said: "Think what a lovely time you will have in Heaven! When the rest of us die, we will only know the people we have met on earth, but you will have all these hundreds of others to chat with and enough questions to ask them to last 'til Eternity!" - The National Genealogical Society Quarterly (Probably over a century or two ago) This quote always warms my heart and gives me a chuckle! I can just picture myself up there, talking to O'le George Washington JONES and asking him, "Okay, Great-Grandpa, did you do the right thing and divorce Susanah before you married her sister Sarah? If so, please tell me where you got married and where you got divorced from Susanah, okay, Great-Grandpa?" Okay, now, back to some research problems, Lois E. Kortering There are only a handful of documents I need before I can finish filling out the Mayflower application forms, because other family members have proved from Stephen Hopkins through the Elizabeth C. DOAN/ John Burge JONES marriage. I only have to prove from James Allen JONES & Jane FISH forward to myself, but there are a few stumbling blocks, such as my great-grandfather, George Washington JONES, being married to two sisters, Susanah and my great-grandmother, Sarah (WALLING) and having eight children with each sister, a couple of them, even overlapping! Finding a marriage record for Sarah and George has not been successful, so far. Also, getting birth records out of Wisconsin is not easy, because they are not recorded doubly at the state level as they are in Michigan. In Wisconsin it is necessary to know the exact location and county of the birth. My Mayflower lineage: Stephen HOPKINS/Mary (Unknown maiden name) > Constance HOPKINS/Nicholas SNOW > John SNOW/Mary SMALLEY > Hannah Ruhamah SNOW/Hezekiah DOANE (s/o Ephraim and Mary/Mercy KNOWLES DOANE. Mary SMALLEY married Epraim late in life, so a step-sister, Hannah SNOW, married her step-brother Hezekiah DOANE) > Hezekiah DOANE II/Thankful BICKFORD > Hezekiah DOANE III/Sarah BLAND > Hezekiah DOAN IV/Nancy ALLEN . Elizabeth C. DOAN/John Burge JONES > James Allen JONES/Jane FISH > George Washington JONES/Sarah WALLING > Leota Belle JONES/Orson Mitchel GRIFFES > Orlon Mitchel GRIFFES/Olive Viola McDONALD > Lois Emorene Griffes. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Buck" <mrbuck@attbi.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:19 AM Subject: RE: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > Yes I agree. IT isn't morbid..its true. We are here only for a short > time and then we are gone. That is the truth..nothing morbid about it. > We live and breath on this earth and then we die. Look how many > centuries the earth has been and then look at how many years a person > lives on average and it is so short a time. Trace your ancestors back a > few or many generations and there are still more generations to > cover--they do vanish one right after another and so will we. It's a > fact of life. If you find this statement morbid, I wonder what you > think of life really then. > > Michelle > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wilma Fleming Haynes [mailto:gencon@harborside.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:06 AM > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > > > I like what was said below - I have often thought the same thing - All > of the people that have been on 'our' earth before us - when it was > their time here, they had the same feelings and problems. > > As a child when I saw my shadow or watched it rain, laid on my back and > found images in the big white fluffy clouds - heard the ocean roar - or > ran as fast as I could down a hill - It came to me that when George > Washington, Abraham Lincoln - the Indian tribes - everyone in every part > of the earth including of course our ancestors - they all saw and felt > the same things I was experiencing - how fast could they run down a hill > and what did they do when they saw their shadows - > > I remember when I was a child and I chased my shadow - just as our > ancestors did when they were young, and now as a 'grown up' when I see > my shadow, I often think of those who have gone on before me - am I in > the same spot where they saw their shadows - it brings a lot of things > into focus doesn't it? > > Not much has changed has it? Well, a wee bit, I am now chasing my > ancestors cuz I am all grown up now and I don't chase my shadow any more > - > > Wilma Fleming Haynes > gencon@harborside.com > > > "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked > other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own > thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation > vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly > be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan > > Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this > quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. > > Karen Sullivan > Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants > at http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ >

Hello all, I'm new here, and I apologize if I'm asking a question that I could easily research, but I thought this might be a good place to start and that someone might impart their infinite wisdom on this subject. Also I was wanting to find someone perhaps in the same situation that might want to converse. I have my family tree and am a descendent of Richard Warren. The "problem" comes in here: I was adopted and my original birth record was destroyed. I am, however, listed on my biological family tree. So I'm not quite sure how to go about proving the person listed and I are one and the same. I hope this isn't a stupid question! Many Thanks, Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois" <lekort@attbi.com> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > Karen and other Mayflower Mailing List Members: > > Keep right on using the quote, because I don't find it offensive, either. > > We all have our favorite sayings and quotes about genealogy, that we might close an e-mail with or even use as a signature, and I found this researching. I really like this one, because I don't think of my ancestors as "Dead and Gone." I even hesitate to say about any of my ancestors, "They WERE my 10th-great-grandparents," because they STILL ARE my 10th-great-grandparents! > > The Advantage of Being a Genealogist: > > "The advantage of having genealogy as a hobby is illustrated by what a friend once told Mrs. James K. Cockrell, a Society member. He said: "Think what a lovely time you will have in Heaven! When the rest of us die, we will only know the people we have met on earth, but you will have all these hundreds of others to chat with and enough questions to ask them to last 'til Eternity!" > - The National Genealogical Society Quarterly (Probably over a century or two ago) > > This quote always warms my heart and gives me a chuckle! I can just picture myself up there, talking to O'le George Washington JONES and asking him, "Okay, Great-Grandpa, did you do the right thing and divorce Susanah before you married her sister Sarah? If so, please tell me where you got married and where you got divorced from Susanah, okay, Great-Grandpa?" > > Okay, now, back to some research problems, > > Lois E. Kortering > > There are only a handful of documents I need before I can finish filling out the Mayflower application forms, because other family members have proved from Stephen Hopkins through the Elizabeth C. DOAN/ John Burge JONES marriage. I only have to prove from James Allen JONES & Jane FISH forward to myself, but there are a few stumbling blocks, such as my great-grandfather, George Washington JONES, being married to two sisters, Susanah and my great-grandmother, Sarah (WALLING) and having eight children with each sister, a couple of them, even overlapping! Finding a marriage record for Sarah and George has not been successful, so far. Also, getting birth records out of Wisconsin is not easy, because they are not recorded doubly at the state level as they are in Michigan. In Wisconsin it is necessary to know the exact location and county of the birth. > > My Mayflower lineage: > > Stephen HOPKINS/Mary (Unknown maiden name) > Constance HOPKINS/Nicholas SNOW > John SNOW/Mary SMALLEY > Hannah Ruhamah SNOW/Hezekiah DOANE (s/o Ephraim and Mary/Mercy KNOWLES DOANE. Mary SMALLEY married Epraim late in life, so a step-sister, Hannah SNOW, married her step-brother Hezekiah DOANE) > Hezekiah DOANE II/Thankful BICKFORD > Hezekiah DOANE III/Sarah BLAND > Hezekiah DOAN IV/Nancy ALLEN . Elizabeth C. DOAN/John Burge JONES > James Allen JONES/Jane FISH > George Washington JONES/Sarah WALLING > Leota Belle JONES/Orson Mitchel GRIFFES > Orlon Mitchel GRIFFES/Olive Viola McDONALD > Lois Emorene Griffes. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michelle Buck" <mrbuck@attbi.com> > To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:19 AM > Subject: RE: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > > > > Yes I agree. IT isn't morbid..its true. We are here only for a short > > time and then we are gone. That is the truth..nothing morbid about it. > > We live and breath on this earth and then we die. Look how many > > centuries the earth has been and then look at how many years a person > > lives on average and it is so short a time. Trace your ancestors back a > > few or many generations and there are still more generations to > > cover--they do vanish one right after another and so will we. It's a > > fact of life. If you find this statement morbid, I wonder what you > > think of life really then. > > > > Michelle > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Wilma Fleming Haynes [mailto:gencon@harborside.com] > > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:06 AM > > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > > > > > > I like what was said below - I have often thought the same thing - All > > of the people that have been on 'our' earth before us - when it was > > their time here, they had the same feelings and problems. > > > > As a child when I saw my shadow or watched it rain, laid on my back and > > found images in the big white fluffy clouds - heard the ocean roar - or > > ran as fast as I could down a hill - It came to me that when George > > Washington, Abraham Lincoln - the Indian tribes - everyone in every part > > of the earth including of course our ancestors - they all saw and felt > > the same things I was experiencing - how fast could they run down a hill > > and what did they do when they saw their shadows - > > > > I remember when I was a child and I chased my shadow - just as our > > ancestors did when they were young, and now as a 'grown up' when I see > > my shadow, I often think of those who have gone on before me - am I in > > the same spot where they saw their shadows - it brings a lot of things > > into focus doesn't it? > > > > Not much has changed has it? Well, a wee bit, I am now chasing my > > ancestors cuz I am all grown up now and I don't chase my shadow any more > > - > > > > Wilma Fleming Haynes > > gencon@harborside.com > > > > > > "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked > > other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own > > thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation > > vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly > > be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan > > > > Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this > > quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. > > > > Karen Sullivan > > Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants > > at http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > >

Should have changed that subject line! Mea culpa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Wilson" <kimberly.wilson12@gte.net> To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > Hello all, > > I'm new here, and I apologize if I'm asking a question that I could easily > research, but I thought this might be a good place to start and that someone > might impart their infinite wisdom on this subject. Also I was wanting to > find someone perhaps in the same situation that might want to converse. > > I have my family tree and am a descendent of Richard Warren. The "problem" > comes in here: I was adopted and my original birth record was destroyed. I > am, however, listed on my biological family tree. So I'm not quite sure how > to go about proving the person listed and I are one and the same. > > I hope this isn't a stupid question! > > Many Thanks, > > Kim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lois" <lekort@attbi.com> > To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 3:03 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > > > > Karen and other Mayflower Mailing List Members: > > > > Keep right on using the quote, because I don't find it offensive, either. > > > > We all have our favorite sayings and quotes about genealogy, that we might > close an e-mail with or even use as a signature, and I found this > researching. I really like this one, because I don't think of my ancestors > as "Dead and Gone." I even hesitate to say about any of my ancestors, "They > WERE my 10th-great-grandparents," because they STILL ARE my > 10th-great-grandparents! > > > > The Advantage of Being a Genealogist: > > > > "The advantage of having genealogy as a hobby is illustrated by what a > friend once told Mrs. James K. Cockrell, a Society member. He said: "Think > what a lovely time you will have in Heaven! When the rest of us die, we > will only know the people we have met on earth, but you will have all these > hundreds of others to chat with and enough questions to ask them to last > 'til Eternity!" > > - The National Genealogical Society Quarterly (Probably over a century or > two ago) > > > > This quote always warms my heart and gives me a chuckle! I can just > picture myself up there, talking to O'le George Washington JONES and asking > him, "Okay, Great-Grandpa, did you do the right thing and divorce Susanah > before you married her sister Sarah? If so, please tell me where you got > married and where you got divorced from Susanah, okay, Great-Grandpa?" > > > > Okay, now, back to some research problems, > > > > Lois E. Kortering > > > > There are only a handful of documents I need before I can finish filling > out the Mayflower application forms, because other family members have > proved from Stephen Hopkins through the Elizabeth C. DOAN/ John Burge JONES > marriage. I only have to prove from James Allen JONES & Jane FISH forward > to myself, but there are a few stumbling blocks, such as my > great-grandfather, George Washington JONES, being married to two sisters, > Susanah and my great-grandmother, Sarah (WALLING) and having eight children > with each sister, a couple of them, even overlapping! Finding a marriage > record for Sarah and George has not been successful, so far. Also, getting > birth records out of Wisconsin is not easy, because they are not recorded > doubly at the state level as they are in Michigan. In Wisconsin it is > necessary to know the exact location and county of the birth. > > > > My Mayflower lineage: > > > > Stephen HOPKINS/Mary (Unknown maiden name) > Constance HOPKINS/Nicholas > SNOW > John SNOW/Mary SMALLEY > Hannah Ruhamah SNOW/Hezekiah DOANE (s/o > Ephraim and Mary/Mercy KNOWLES DOANE. Mary SMALLEY married Epraim late in > life, so a step-sister, Hannah SNOW, married her step-brother Hezekiah > DOANE) > Hezekiah DOANE II/Thankful BICKFORD > Hezekiah DOANE III/Sarah > BLAND > Hezekiah DOAN IV/Nancy ALLEN . Elizabeth C. DOAN/John Burge JONES > > James Allen JONES/Jane FISH > George Washington JONES/Sarah WALLING > Leota > Belle JONES/Orson Mitchel GRIFFES > Orlon Mitchel GRIFFES/Olive Viola > McDONALD > Lois Emorene Griffes. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michelle Buck" <mrbuck@attbi.com> > > To: <MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 10:19 AM > > Subject: RE: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > > > > > > > Yes I agree. IT isn't morbid..its true. We are here only for a short > > > time and then we are gone. That is the truth..nothing morbid about it. > > > We live and breath on this earth and then we die. Look how many > > > centuries the earth has been and then look at how many years a person > > > lives on average and it is so short a time. Trace your ancestors back a > > > few or many generations and there are still more generations to > > > cover--they do vanish one right after another and so will we. It's a > > > fact of life. If you find this statement morbid, I wonder what you > > > think of life really then. > > > > > > Michelle > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Wilma Fleming Haynes [mailto:gencon@harborside.com] > > > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 9:06 AM > > > To: MAYFLOWER-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [MFLR] Oh, it's not Morbid and depressing-- > > > > > > > > > I like what was said below - I have often thought the same thing - All > > > of the people that have been on 'our' earth before us - when it was > > > their time here, they had the same feelings and problems. > > > > > > As a child when I saw my shadow or watched it rain, laid on my back and > > > found images in the big white fluffy clouds - heard the ocean roar - or > > > ran as fast as I could down a hill - It came to me that when George > > > Washington, Abraham Lincoln - the Indian tribes - everyone in every part > > > of the earth including of course our ancestors - they all saw and felt > > > the same things I was experiencing - how fast could they run down a hill > > > and what did they do when they saw their shadows - > > > > > > I remember when I was a child and I chased my shadow - just as our > > > ancestors did when they were young, and now as a 'grown up' when I see > > > my shadow, I often think of those who have gone on before me - am I in > > > the same spot where they saw their shadows - it brings a lot of things > > > into focus doesn't it? > > > > > > Not much has changed has it? Well, a wee bit, I am now chasing my > > > ancestors cuz I am all grown up now and I don't chase my shadow any more > > > - > > > > > > Wilma Fleming Haynes > > > gencon@harborside.com > > > > > > > > > "Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked > > > other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own > > > thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one generation > > > vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves shall shortly > > > be gone like ghosts at cockcrow." -- G.M.Trevelyan > > > > > > Please accept my sincerest apologies. I'm terribly sorry you found this > > > quote so offensive. I shall remove it immediately and not use it again. > > > > > > Karen Sullivan > > > Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > > > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants > > > at http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > > > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants > at http://www.mayflower.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > > Check out the Mayflower FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)page at > http://www.macatawa.org/~crich/mayfaq.htm . > > > > > > > ==== MAYFLOWER Mailing List ==== > Check out the web page of the General Society of Mayflower Descendants at http://www.mayflower.org/ >