Believe it or not -- I'm an Army Brat who lived at Dachau, WG, in 1962 where my dad was a battlation commander. Yes, the concentration camp became a US Army kaserne with a displaced persons (DP) camp after WWII. I was just 17, a high school girl, but I have seen genocide and what it means. Colleen, I am sad that you feel like this. But I think stupidity or even bigotry is not the same as genocide. Craig, if you want to stop this thread, it's fine with me. Karen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MsTigerHawk Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing Don't forget about all the Native Americans who died of smallpox after having been given smallpox-infested blankets by the white soldiers. This is what they were told to do by the government. Just another incidence of genocide. Colleen James Crippen <[email protected]> wrote: Joyce Moore: Although I did not notice the pre-white Indian census number on the "crossing" movie, I can state that the 50 million figure has been around for a number of years. I did a late 60's paper on pre-white Indians and post-white abuse a great number of years ago and the figure was available then in most university libraries however, it is usually stated as the number for the "Americas" since more information is known about South and Central America as opposed to the North America we are so familiar with. The great culprit, as indicated in the movie, was disease. Here in Alaska 2/3 of the Native population was lost during the late 30's and 40's due primarily to tuberculosis. This movie has brought to light a new slant to Plymouth's joint-venture settlement. Let's hope history books adapt accordingly. Jim Crippen ----- Original Message ----- From: joyce moore Date: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:56 pm Subject: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing To: [email protected] > I meant to comment on one thing that was said by one of the > commentators. One of them mentioned that there were 50 million > Indians living in America when the Pilgrims came over. I sincerely > question that. We only have 300 million now after 400 years of > constant immigration and having children. I have never heard that > figure in my life. > > I also question the comment about the fact that we force the > Indians to live by our ways and not the way they really want to. Do > they want to go back to riding horses, hunting game, washing in > streams, or what did she have in mind? I love the computer where I > can find anything I want and correspond with people, cars and > planes, central heat and air, grocery stores, washers and driers, > etc. I really question some things that people say in some of these > documentaries. I wish she had said what she is willing to give up. > > Joyce Moore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm sorry you feel that way, Karen. I stand by my statement that it was genocide. The definition is one group of people purposely killing another group because of their race. Sure, stop the thread. I said what I have to say. Colleen Karen Sullivan <[email protected]> wrote: Believe it or not -- I'm an Army Brat who lived at Dachau, WG, in 1962 where my dad was a battlation commander. Yes, the concentration camp became a US Army kaserne with a displaced persons (DP) camp after WWII. I was just 17, a high school girl, but I have seen genocide and what it means. Colleen, I am sad that you feel like this. But I think stupidity or even bigotry is not the same as genocide. Craig, if you want to stop this thread, it's fine with me. Karen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MsTigerHawk Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing Don't forget about all the Native Americans who died of smallpox after having been given smallpox-infested blankets by the white soldiers. This is what they were told to do by the government. Just another incidence of genocide. Colleen James Crippen wrote: Joyce Moore: Although I did not notice the pre-white Indian census number on the "crossing" movie, I can state that the 50 million figure has been around for a number of years. I did a late 60's paper on pre-white Indians and post-white abuse a great number of years ago and the figure was available then in most university libraries however, it is usually stated as the number for the "Americas" since more information is known about South and Central America as opposed to the North America we are so familiar with. The great culprit, as indicated in the movie, was disease. Here in Alaska 2/3 of the Native population was lost during the late 30's and 40's due primarily to tuberculosis. This movie has brought to light a new slant to Plymouth's joint-venture settlement. Let's hope history books adapt accordingly. Jim Crippen ----- Original Message ----- From: joyce moore Date: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:56 pm Subject: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing To: [email protected] > I meant to comment on one thing that was said by one of the > commentators. One of them mentioned that there were 50 million > Indians living in America when the Pilgrims came over. I sincerely > question that. We only have 300 million now after 400 years of > constant immigration and having children. I have never heard that > figure in my life. > > I also question the comment about the fact that we force the > Indians to live by our ways and not the way they really want to. Do > they want to go back to riding horses, hunting game, washing in > streams, or what did she have in mind? I love the computer where I > can find anything I want and correspond with people, cars and > planes, central heat and air, grocery stores, washers and driers, > etc. I really question some things that people say in some of these > documentaries. I wish she had said what she is willing to give up. > > Joyce Moore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.