Please all, accept m apologies beforehand for being off subject. Will the person whose father was illegitimate and used different names please contact me. I desperatly need your advice concerning my father. Thank you. Marianne [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Our Mayflower experience. (Karen Sullivan) 2. Mayflower question (M.E.Sorensen) 3. Re: Mayflower question - checking for previously approved lineage (Sue Roser) 4. Re: Mayflower question (joyce moore) 5. Re: Our Mayflower experience. (joyce moore) 6. Re: General - P.S. to Kess about this board... (Luana Johnson) 7. Re: Message from the administrator (Lois Kortering) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:47:38 -0500 From: "Karen Sullivan" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Janeen, I used an affidavit in place of a birth certificate for my membership application, and it was accepted. I wish you the best of luck. And for those who think that us Mayflower guys and gals have our noses up in the air: There are a lot of Mayflower descendants both here in the U.S. and in other countries, and the only difference is that the society members have done some research to prove it. We don't believe we're better, worse, or different. We just know family stuff. Karen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janean Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:17 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. Well I am attempting to join soon and my father was illegitimate. I am happy though that he knew who his father was and knew him briefly in his later life. However due the stigma around that situation especially for back in the 1920's so far every document I have for my dad...... marriage license, death certificate, social security application ALL have different and/or an array of parental names he concocted in order to appear to be legit. I am now having my mother sign an affidavit stating SHE gave the correct parental information on his death certificate and was aware of all those people who's names he incorrectly used and WHO they were. At least I have knowledge of who his father was just so far no concrete proof other than what my mother put on the certificate. We've known of course who he was since we were very young. My brother was given a picture of him that was in my dad's possessions - I have been given pictures of him AND his family since doing my genealogy..... one picture of which is the very same one he gave to my father and signed it. Some people are so lucky which makes it just that much more difficult to join. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of L.L. Scott Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. Your story and mine are very similar, but I had never tried to join because of being illegitimately also. I love doing family history. I am proud of my lineage including my blacksheep. My dear old Edward Doty was a bit of a rounder, definitely not one of the Saints :-) They were all humans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MsTigerHawk" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] General ---- to Kess Leake-Campbell and others >I know what you mean, but I assure you that I myself don't think I'm >better >than any other Mayflower descendant, including those who are just >tracing >their lineage. I was born illigitimately, yet I've still been accepted into >the Mayflower Society as well as DAR. I heard that there was a time >when >this was not permitted. I'm glad things have changed in that respect. >Luckily my Mayflower lineage was on my mother's side, as I don't even know >who my father was. > > Colleen Morse > Minnesota ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:17:11 -0500 From: "M.E.Sorensen" <[email protected]> Subject: [MFLR] Mayflower question To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver book, and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her birth record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people who have joined and their ancestors? Thanks. M.E. [email protected] ----- @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:32:43 -0500 From: "Sue Roser" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower question - checking for previously approved lineage To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" M.E. asked: I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver book, and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her birth record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people who have joined and their ancestors? ______________________ Over 75,000 persons have joined the Society since its inception in 1897. All of those who have joined, and their lineages, are indexed in files at the Mayflower Society headquarters. Therefore it is possible to send a synopsis of your line to them and they will check to see if they have a previously approved, well documented paper which matches yours. If one is found, you will be sent a copy and will be able to use the sources from that paper, up to the point where your lines branch off. The cost is $10. [Note that the copy you are sent will have the member's information blanked out, as well as that for living persons in the lineage.] This can be extremely helpful to those who are beginning the task of documenting their line for membership. A synopsis should be similar to the form found at www.mayflower.org - in fact, print this out, fill it out and mail it along with the fee to: General Society of Mayflower Descendants P.O.Box 3297, Plymouth, MA 02361. Best of luck! Susan E. Roser, Historian Canadian Society www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:58:00 -0800 (PST) From: joyce moore <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower question To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 You said it was in the Silver Books. Which one? I have the Bradford book that covers the first 7 generations but Phoebe or Phillip are not mentioned in the book. I have a Mayflower line that goes through Mary Kellogg Terry to William Bradford so I know the Terry family are descendants. Mary descends from Ephraim Terry who married Ann Collins. Joyce Moore "M.E.Sorensen" <[email protected]> wrote: I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver book, and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her birth record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people who have joined and their ancestors? Thanks. M.E. [email protected] ----- @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:15:04 -0800 (PST) From: joyce moore <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Do you by any chance have a brother or a male relative who could do a DNA test if that is the male line? It is proving to be very effective. It is also providing some real surprises. One of my very English lines turned out to be Semitic. That was a shocker. Does anyone know if anyone is doing DNA studies on the Mayflower descendants? That might prove to be interesting also. I keep hearing how there are millions of descendants, but I wonder. In my case there are 11 or 12 generations back to William Bradford, and I know Major William, who was my ancestor twice, had 15 children, but only one other child had any descendants. I am not being a snob but sometimes I wonder if that isn't tossed out to try to make those of us who are descendants feel insignificant. They try to downplay the role the Mayflower had on America and make us out as the descendants of blood thirsty ner do wells. Joyce Moore Janean <[email protected]> wrote: Well I am attempting to join soon and my father was illegitimate. I am happy though that he knew who his father was and knew him briefly in his later life. However due the stigma around that situation especially for back in the 1920's so far every document I have for my dad...... marriage license, death certificate, social security application ALL have different and/or an array of parental names he concocted in order to appear to be legit. I am now having my mother sign an affidavit stating SHE gave the correct parental information on his death certificate and was aware of all those people who's names he incorrectly used and WHO they were. At least I have knowledge of who his father was just so far no concrete proof other than what my mother put on the certificate. We've known of course who he was since we were very young. My brother was given a picture of him that was in my dad's possessions - I have been given pictures of him AND his family since doing my genealogy..... one picture of which is the very same one he gave to my father and signed it. Some people are so lucky which makes it just that much more difficult to join. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of L.L. Scott Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:07 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. Your story and mine are very similar, but I had never tried to join because of being illegitimately also. I love doing family history. I am proud of my lineage including my blacksheep. My dear old Edward Doty was a bit of a rounder, definitely not one of the Saints :-) They were all humans. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MsTigerHawk" To: Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] General ---- to Kess Leake-Campbell and others >I know what you mean, but I assure you that I myself don't think I'm better >than any other Mayflower descendant, including those who are just tracing >their lineage. I was born illigitimately, yet I've still been accepted into >the Mayflower Society as well as DAR. I heard that there was a time when >this was not permitted. I'm glad things have changed in that respect. >Luckily my Mayflower lineage was on my mother's side, as I don't even know >who my father was. > > Colleen Morse > Minnesota ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:36:29 -0700 From: "Luana Johnson" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original To anyone on the Mayflower list. I have the following Silver Books and will gladly do lookups for anyone who asks. I also have the pink George Soule Books. Please email me privately at the address below with your lookups. I have also added a few other books that are sources of info that I will do lookups in. John ALDEN Book #16 Myles STANDISH Book #14 James CHILTON & Richard MORE Book #15 Richard WARREN Book #18 - Parts 1, 2, & 3 George SOULE - Pink Books - First Edition - Part One; First Edition - Part Two; Thrid Edition Robert BARTLETT of the "ANNE" and his Descendants of Four Generations compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, Published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants William BRADFORD of the "MAYFLOWER" and his Descendants for Four Generations compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, FASG. Published by the General Society of Mayflower Descendants Mayflower Increasings 2nd Edition by Susan E. Roser The Nash Family of Weymouth, Massachusetts by Richard H. Benson I also have some of the New England Historical & Genealogical Register Books Volumes 152 thru 156 Lu JOHNSON [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janean " <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... >I believe the responses you have seen to the original poster were AS I DID > only a response to HIS question. Or she, can't remember. Someone asked > how > to deal with something and a couple people answered HIS/HER question. No > one was speaking I believe in an uppity way ESPECIALLY ME because I too > came > into this list thinking the same thing and have learned on here you pretty > much have to just keep your mouth shut because those ON this list that > have > been here for some who have Mayflower descendants to take GREAT pride in > that esteem like they are blue blood or some kind of royalty. > > I'm going to get it about this but maybe those who act that way will take > these emails to heart. YES we are all here to discus our Mayflower > ancestors but sometimes I think...... if they are already documented why > keep beating a dead horse... no pun intended. Aren't we all here to learn > and ask questions and try to get help from those of you AND me who have > the > books that can do some lookups for people????? That's what all the other > lists are doing is helping people and sharing information. No one is > asking > you to hand over YOUR hard work. Everyone has to prove their own lines > but > how are we ever able to build the memberships and ancestry of the > Mayflower > lines if we don't help those seeking to prove their lines. > > Ok there's my soapbox for the day. So let's take this NOW OFF LINE. > I just didn't want to see these two poor people get blasted by the members > of this list and totally prove their points. Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:05 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... > > Hello again, I just made a post about how I do not "feel worthy enough" to > be on this board. > > Well, I would like to make a suggestion........ > > If you all desire to complain about some un-deserving people, would you > kindly email each other humbly and privately, with respect, instead of > making > this list seem uppity and unwilling to help people like myself ? > sometimes a > "tid-bit" of info is a great help to us. > > Other people will see the GOSSIP that is happening on this list, and will > leave this board. > > Yes, you all should be proud of finding your family lines back to the > Mayflower. > > But PLEASE stop the gossip, and talk privately between yourselves if you > have a problem "handling people". > > Respectfully and Sincerely, > Darlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:58:57 -0500 From: "Lois Kortering" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [MFLR] Message from the administrator To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original > > "Any genealogy question dealing with the passengers of the Mayflower in > 1620, their ancestors, spouses and descendants." > > Thanks! > -- > Craig Rich > Administrator Craig....... ..........it appears as though the problem is that you have issued this "Off Topic" warning much before I, myself, ever received any of the Mayflower Mailing List postings to which you are objecting! Why IS that? I know that there is no practical way for us to respond and "hope" that our response will be seen at the correct time, but this is ridiculous! What? Is it the ISPs? There is definitely something going on, because I keep getting messages telling me that my e-mails could not be delivered, because there is "no such address!" I live just blocks away from the latest person to which I was sending e-mails and saw that person three times yesterday in person, and that person told me that my e-mails DID get through! So, something is definitely going on in the "E-World," or these things would not be happening. There is nothing wrong with these few people sensing or feeling that they are being treated like 2nd-class citizens. If they feel that way, none of us can tell them that they should not FEEL that way! They have a right to their own emotions! I suspect the big problem is still the fact that the Message Boards are "Gatewayed" to the Mailing List. I suggest that this has to change and the message boards have to be kept separate from the mailing lists. That never made sense to me, and it still does not make sense to me. No one is certain of responding to the correct posting, and most of us get double responses. It makes no sense at all! I, for one, have been enjoying the conversations between Dr. Jeremy Bangs--who even confessed that he DID make a "Boo-Boo" because he thought he was sending a personal e-mail, but it went out to the entire world!--and the other people who were talking about the upcoming documentary, "Desperate Crossing" Sunday night on the History Channel. I am happy that Dr. Jeremy Bangs made such a mistake! I don't believe that the ordinary person would not recognize and respect people who are educated, especially the educated and decent people on this Mailing List. Most people who are educated and humane are very understanding, and the problem is pure "Semantics," to which we could chalk up the entire problem in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in our own government! Very few of us know what it is like to live a life of being an "illegitimate child" or being an "adopted child" and never knowing one's true biological family, which makes me cringe when I type the words! Why wouldn't anyone want to help someone in those situations, and from where I sit, help was offered on this mailing list! Sitting here on the sidelines, reading some of the e-mails, which came to me late and AFTER you jumped in here, I want to say, "What? What?" What are you talking about? There is nothing wrong! As a researcher, nothing pleases me more that to trace the family tree of someone who was adopted and is determined to find his or her birth parents. I have done it more than a few times, and there is no better reward for me than to have one more young person who thinks of me as their birth mother that they never had a chance to meet! Craig, the MFLR Mailing List is going along just fine and people have been behaving like good human beings! That is the one thing I am proud of..........being a direct descendant of two ordinary human beings who came here on the Mayflower: 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; 2. Richard Warren, of whom there is not much known, but he sure had a lot of wonderful descendants, and he sure waited for his wife and his five daughters to arrive on the ship Anne two years later! Lois Kortering ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Rich" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:31 PM Subject: [MFLR] Message from the administrator > ....and, let's make that the last word on this "off-topic" topic. > Remember, to be on topic, your message must be: > > "Any genealogy question dealing with the passengers of the Mayflower in > 1620, their ancestors, spouses and descendants." > > Thanks! > -- > Craig Rich > Administrator > Mayflower mailing list > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: [email protected] > >> >> If those of you who are too proud of your Mayflower lineage, I suggest >> you >> take eat some humble-pie. Remember that when the Pilgrims came here on >> the >> Mayflower, they were gentle Christians starting their own new lives here. >> >> Thank you for taking these messages with the gentle-ness that they are >> meant >> to be. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the MAYFLOWER list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the MAYFLOWER mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 ****************************************

Thank you. I appreciate your help. M.E. [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marianne Dunell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [MFLR] MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 > Please all, accept m apologies beforehand for being off subject. Will the > person whose father was illegitimate and used different names please > contact me. I desperatly need your advice concerning my father. Thank you. > Marianne [email protected] > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 9:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Our Mayflower experience. (Karen Sullivan) > 2. Mayflower question (M.E.Sorensen) > 3. Re: Mayflower question - checking for previously approved > lineage (Sue Roser) > 4. Re: Mayflower question (joyce moore) > 5. Re: Our Mayflower experience. (joyce moore) > 6. Re: General - P.S. to Kess about this board... > (Luana Johnson) > 7. Re: Message from the administrator (Lois Kortering) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:47:38 -0500 > From: "Karen Sullivan" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Janeen, > > I used an affidavit in place of a birth certificate for my membership > application, and it was accepted. I wish you the best of luck. And for > those who think that us Mayflower guys and gals have our noses up in the > air: There are a lot of Mayflower descendants both here in the U.S. and > in > other countries, and the only difference is that the society members have > done some research to prove it. We don't believe we're better, worse, or > different. We just know family stuff. > > Karen > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Janean > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > > > Well I am attempting to join soon and my father was illegitimate. I am > happy though that he knew who his father was and knew him briefly in his > later life. > > However due the stigma around that situation especially for back in the > 1920's so far every document I have for my dad...... marriage license, > death > certificate, social security application ALL have different and/or an > array > of parental names he concocted in order to appear to be legit. > > I am now having my mother sign an affidavit stating SHE gave the correct > parental information on his death certificate and was aware of all those > people who's names he incorrectly used and WHO they were. > > At least I have knowledge of who his father was just so far no concrete > proof other than what my mother put on the certificate. > > We've known of course who he was since we were very young. My brother was > given a picture of him that was in my dad's possessions - I have been > given > pictures of him AND his family since doing my genealogy..... one picture > of > which is the very same one he gave to my father and signed it. > > Some people are so lucky which makes it just that much more difficult to > join. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of L.L. Scott > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > > Your story and mine are very similar, > but I had never tried to join because of being illegitimately also. I love > doing family history. I am proud of my lineage including my blacksheep. My > dear old Edward Doty was a bit of a rounder, definitely not one of the > Saints :-) > They were all humans. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MsTigerHawk" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General ---- to Kess Leake-Campbell and others > > >>I know what you mean, but I assure you that I myself don't think I'm >>better > >>than any other Mayflower descendant, including those who are just >>tracing >>their lineage. I was born illigitimately, yet I've still been accepted >>into > >>the Mayflower Society as well as DAR. I heard that there was a time >>when >>this was not permitted. I'm glad things have changed in that respect. >>Luckily my Mayflower lineage was on my mother's side, as I don't even know >>who my father was. >> >> Colleen Morse >> Minnesota > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:17:11 -0500 > From: "M.E.Sorensen" <[email protected]> > Subject: [MFLR] Mayflower question > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my > grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver > book, > and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know > when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her > birth > record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of > DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined > on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people > who > have joined and their ancestors? Thanks. M.E. [email protected] > ----- @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:32:43 -0500 > From: "Sue Roser" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower question - checking for previously > approved lineage > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > M.E. asked: > > I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my > grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver > book, > > and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know > when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her > birth > > record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of > DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined > on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people > who > > have joined and their ancestors? > ______________________ > > Over 75,000 persons have joined the Society since its inception in 1897. > All > of those who have joined, and their lineages, are indexed in files at the > Mayflower Society headquarters. Therefore it is possible to send a > synopsis > of your line to them and they will check to see if they have a previously > approved, well documented paper which matches yours. If one is found, you > will be sent a copy and will be able to use the sources from that paper, > up > to the point where your lines branch off. The cost is $10. > [Note that the copy you are sent will have the member's information > blanked > out, as well as that for living persons in the lineage.] > > This can be extremely helpful to those who are beginning the task of > documenting their line for membership. > > A synopsis should be similar to the form found at www.mayflower.org - in > fact, print this out, fill it out and mail it along with the fee to: > > General Society of Mayflower Descendants > P.O.Box 3297, Plymouth, MA 02361. > > Best of luck! > > Susan E. Roser, Historian > Canadian Society > www.rootsweb.com/~canms/canada.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:58:00 -0800 (PST) > From: joyce moore <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Mayflower question > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > You said it was in the Silver Books. Which one? I have the Bradford book > that covers the first 7 generations but Phoebe or Phillip are not > mentioned in the book. I have a Mayflower line that goes through Mary > Kellogg Terry to William Bradford so I know the Terry family are > descendants. Mary descends from Ephraim Terry who married Ann Collins. > > Joyce Moore > > "M.E.Sorensen" <[email protected]> wrote: > I would like to join the Mayflower Society. However, I'm stuck at my > grgrgrgrandfather Phillip Terry. I know that his line is in the Sliver > book, > and I'm sure that my grgrgrandmother was his daughter Phebe Terry. I know > when she was born and when (1880) she died in NY, but I can't find her > birth > record or copy of her death record to prove her parents. I am a member of > DAR and you can send to them and get a copy of someone else who has joined > on your line. My question is. Does the Mayflower have a record of people > who > have joined and their ancestors? Thanks. M.E. [email protected] > ----- @rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:15:04 -0800 (PST) > From: joyce moore <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Do you by any chance have a brother or a male relative who could do a DNA > test if that is the male line? It is proving to be very effective. It is > also providing some real surprises. One of my very English lines turned > out to be Semitic. That was a shocker. Does anyone know if anyone is > doing DNA studies on the Mayflower descendants? That might prove to be > interesting also. > > I keep hearing how there are millions of descendants, but I wonder. In my > case there are 11 or 12 generations back to William Bradford, and I know > Major William, who was my ancestor twice, had 15 children, but only one > other child had any descendants. I am not being a snob but sometimes I > wonder if that isn't tossed out to try to make those of us who are > descendants feel insignificant. They try to downplay the role the > Mayflower had on America and make us out as the descendants of blood > thirsty ner do wells. > > Joyce Moore > > Janean <[email protected]> wrote: > Well I am attempting to join soon and my father was illegitimate. I am > happy though that he knew who his father was and knew him briefly in his > later life. > > However due the stigma around that situation especially for back in the > 1920's so far every document I have for my dad...... marriage license, > death > certificate, social security application ALL have different and/or an > array > of parental names he concocted in order to appear to be legit. > > I am now having my mother sign an affidavit stating SHE gave the correct > parental information on his death certificate and was aware of all those > people who's names he incorrectly used and WHO they were. > > At least I have knowledge of who his father was just so far no concrete > proof other than what my mother put on the certificate. > > We've known of course who he was since we were very young. My brother was > given a picture of him that was in my dad's possessions - I have been > given > pictures of him AND his family since doing my genealogy..... one picture > of > which is the very same one he gave to my father and signed it. > > Some people are so lucky which makes it just that much more difficult to > join. > > Janean > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of L.L. Scott > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:07 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MFLR] Our Mayflower experience. > > Your story and mine are very similar, > but I had never tried to join because of being illegitimately also. > I love doing family history. > I am proud of my lineage including my blacksheep. > My dear old Edward Doty was a bit of a rounder, definitely not one of the > Saints :-) > They were all humans. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MsTigerHawk" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 12:59 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General ---- to Kess Leake-Campbell and others > > >>I know what you mean, but I assure you that I myself don't think I'm >>better > >>than any other Mayflower descendant, including those who are just tracing >>their lineage. I was born illigitimately, yet I've still been accepted >>into > >>the Mayflower Society as well as DAR. I heard that there was a time when >>this was not permitted. I'm glad things have changed in that respect. >>Luckily my Mayflower lineage was on my mother's side, as I don't even know >>who my father was. >> >> Colleen Morse >> Minnesota > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:36:29 -0700 > From: "Luana Johnson" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this > board... > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > To anyone on the Mayflower list. I have the following Silver Books and > will > gladly do lookups for anyone who asks. I also have the pink George Soule > Books. Please email me privately at the address below with your > lookups. > I have also added a few other books that are sources of info that I will > do > lookups in. > > John ALDEN Book #16 > Myles STANDISH Book #14 > James CHILTON & Richard MORE Book #15 > Richard WARREN Book #18 - Parts 1, 2, & 3 > George SOULE - Pink Books - First Edition - Part One; First > Edition - > Part Two; Thrid Edition > > Robert BARTLETT of the "ANNE" and his Descendants of Four Generations > compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, Published by the General Society of > Mayflower Descendants > > William BRADFORD of the "MAYFLOWER" and his Descendants for Four > Generations > compiled by Robert S. Wakefield, FASG. Published by the General Society > of > Mayflower Descendants > > > Mayflower Increasings 2nd Edition by Susan E. Roser > > The Nash Family of Weymouth, Massachusetts by Richard H. Benson > > I also have some of the New England Historical & Genealogical Register > Books > Volumes 152 thru 156 > > Lu JOHNSON > [email protected] > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janean " <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... > > >>I believe the responses you have seen to the original poster were AS I DID >> only a response to HIS question. Or she, can't remember. Someone asked >> how >> to deal with something and a couple people answered HIS/HER question. No >> one was speaking I believe in an uppity way ESPECIALLY ME because I too >> came >> into this list thinking the same thing and have learned on here you >> pretty >> much have to just keep your mouth shut because those ON this list that >> have >> been here for some who have Mayflower descendants to take GREAT pride in >> that esteem like they are blue blood or some kind of royalty. >> >> I'm going to get it about this but maybe those who act that way will take >> these emails to heart. YES we are all here to discus our Mayflower >> ancestors but sometimes I think...... if they are already documented why >> keep beating a dead horse... no pun intended. Aren't we all here to >> learn >> and ask questions and try to get help from those of you AND me who have >> the >> books that can do some lookups for people????? That's what all the >> other >> lists are doing is helping people and sharing information. No one is >> asking >> you to hand over YOUR hard work. Everyone has to prove their own lines >> but >> how are we ever able to build the memberships and ancestry of the >> Mayflower >> lines if we don't help those seeking to prove their lines. >> >> Ok there's my soapbox for the day. So let's take this NOW OFF LINE. >> I just didn't want to see these two poor people get blasted by the >> members >> of this list and totally prove their points. Janean >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 2:05 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [MFLR] General - P.S. to Kess about this board... >> >> Hello again, I just made a post about how I do not "feel worthy enough" >> to >> be on this board. >> >> Well, I would like to make a suggestion........ >> >> If you all desire to complain about some un-deserving people, would you >> kindly email each other humbly and privately, with respect, instead of >> making >> this list seem uppity and unwilling to help people like myself ? >> sometimes a >> "tid-bit" of info is a great help to us. >> >> Other people will see the GOSSIP that is happening on this list, and will >> leave this board. >> >> Yes, you all should be proud of finding your family lines back to the >> Mayflower. >> >> But PLEASE stop the gossip, and talk privately between yourselves if you >> have a problem "handling people". >> >> Respectfully and Sincerely, >> Darlene >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:58:57 -0500 > From: "Lois Kortering" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [MFLR] Message from the administrator > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > >> >> "Any genealogy question dealing with the passengers of the Mayflower in >> 1620, their ancestors, spouses and descendants." >> >> Thanks! >> -- >> Craig Rich >> Administrator > > > Craig....... > > ..........it appears as though the problem is that you have issued this > "Off > Topic" warning much before I, myself, ever received any of the Mayflower > Mailing List postings to which you are objecting! Why IS that? I know > that > there is no practical way for us to respond and "hope" that our response > will be seen at the correct time, but this is ridiculous! What? Is it > the > ISPs? There is definitely something going on, because I keep getting > messages telling me that my e-mails could not be delivered, because there > is > "no such address!" I live just blocks away from the latest person to > which > I was sending e-mails and saw that person three times yesterday in person, > and that person told me that my e-mails DID get through! So, something is > definitely going on in the "E-World," or these things would not be > happening. There is nothing wrong with these few people sensing or > feeling > that they are being treated like 2nd-class citizens. If they feel that > way, > none of us can tell them that they should not FEEL that way! They have a > right to their own emotions! > > I suspect the big problem is still the fact that the Message Boards are > "Gatewayed" to the Mailing List. I suggest that this has to change and > the > message boards have to be kept separate from the mailing lists. That > never > made sense to me, and it still does not make sense to me. No one is > certain > of responding to the correct posting, and most of us get double responses. > It makes no sense at all! > > I, for one, have been enjoying the conversations between Dr. Jeremy > Bangs--who even confessed that he DID make a "Boo-Boo" because he thought > he > was sending a personal e-mail, but it went out to the entire world!--and > the > other people who were talking about the upcoming documentary, "Desperate > Crossing" Sunday night on the History Channel. I am happy that Dr. Jeremy > Bangs made such a mistake! I don't believe that the ordinary person would > not recognize and respect people who are educated, especially the educated > and decent people on this Mailing List. Most people who are educated and > humane are very understanding, and the problem is pure "Semantics," to > which > we could chalk up the entire problem in Iraq, Afghanistan, and in our own > government! > > Very few of us know what it is like to live a life of being an > "illegitimate > child" or being an "adopted child" and never knowing one's true biological > family, which makes me cringe when I type the words! Why wouldn't anyone > want to help someone in those situations, and from where I sit, help was > offered on this mailing list! Sitting here on the sidelines, reading some > of the e-mails, which came to me late and AFTER you jumped in here, I want > to say, "What? What?" What are you talking about? There is nothing > wrong! > As a researcher, nothing pleases me more that to trace the family tree of > someone who was adopted and is determined to find his or her birth > parents. > I have done it more than a few times, and there is no better reward for me > than to have one more young person who thinks of me as their birth mother > that they never had a chance to meet! > > Craig, the MFLR Mailing List is going along just fine and people have been > behaving like good human beings! That is the one thing I am proud > of..........being a direct descendant of two ordinary human beings who > came > here on the Mayflower: > > 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for > holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; > 2. Richard Warren, of whom there is not much known, but he sure had a lot > of wonderful descendants, and he sure waited for his wife and his five > daughters to arrive on the ship Anne two years later! > > Lois Kortering > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Craig Rich" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 4:31 PM > Subject: [MFLR] Message from the administrator > > >> ....and, let's make that the last word on this "off-topic" topic. >> Remember, to be on topic, your message must be: >> >> "Any genealogy question dealing with the passengers of the Mayflower in >> 1620, their ancestors, spouses and descendants." >> >> Thanks! >> -- >> Craig Rich >> Administrator >> Mayflower mailing list >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: [email protected] >> >>> >>> If those of you who are too proud of your Mayflower lineage, I suggest >>> you >>> take eat some humble-pie. Remember that when the Pilgrims came here on >>> the >>> Mayflower, they were gentle Christians starting their own new lives >>> here. >>> >>> Thank you for taking these messages with the gentle-ness that they are >>> meant >>> to be. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MAYFLOWER list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the MAYFLOWER mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MAYFLOWER Digest, Vol 1, Issue 45 > **************************************** > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >