In a message dated 11/30/2006 12:29:51 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, [email protected] writes: You are correct.Lydia and Nicholas are #9.I probably goofed because both Obed and Lydia descend from Mayflower passengers. I have most of the items needed to submit but can't seem to find the time. The wives or husbands are listed under the Mayflower people with a number accepted by the Mayflower Society or so I'm told. Obed married Elizabeth,his cousin.She has a Mayflower #,He does not that I am aware of. I should have left off the #'s as they might confuse. Lydia had a MF# but Nicholas does not.,again that I know of. Elizabeth,wife of Obed ; Her father was Samuel Barlow. Obed.His father was Thomas Barlow Thanks for the clarification. You can ask the Mayflower Society to provide you with copies of the Mayflower applications. There is a fee to get them, but that might help you with your documentation and it will help with your proofs. You will need to submit documentation on the people who have not been identified in the applications, so your work may have already been done and you don't need to spin your wheels for those lines that have already been proven. That means you will probably have to only prove maybe 4 generations? Yourself and your wife, your parents, grandparents and probably great-grandparents. It's not hard if someone else has already submitted and been accepted. Christie Trapp