I meant to comment on one thing that was said by one of the commentators. One of them mentioned that there were 50 million Indians living in America when the Pilgrims came over. I sincerely question that. We only have 300 million now after 400 years of constant immigration and having children. I have never heard that figure in my life. I also question the comment about the fact that we force the Indians to live by our ways and not the way they really want to. Do they want to go back to riding horses, hunting game, washing in streams, or what did she have in mind? I love the computer where I can find anything I want and correspond with people, cars and planes, central heat and air, grocery stores, washers and driers, etc. I really question some things that people say in some of these documentaries. I wish she had said what she is willing to give up. Joyce Moore

Actually, many Native Americans would love to go back to living the old ways. There's a lot of books out by them about just that subject. I don't doubt at all that there were 50 million Native Americans living here when the Pilgrims came. Do you have any idea how many were killed off by White Man? Colleen Doweny Morse Minnesota joyce moore <[email protected]> wrote: I meant to comment on one thing that was said by one of the commentators. One of them mentioned that there were 50 million Indians living in America when the Pilgrims came over. I sincerely question that. We only have 300 million now after 400 years of constant immigration and having children. I have never heard that figure in my life. I also question the comment about the fact that we force the Indians to live by our ways and not the way they really want to. Do they want to go back to riding horses, hunting game, washing in streams, or what did she have in mind? I love the computer where I can find anything I want and correspond with people, cars and planes, central heat and air, grocery stores, washers and driers, etc. I really question some things that people say in some of these documentaries. I wish she had said what she is willing to give up. Joyce Moore ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.

Joyce Moore: Although I did not notice the pre-white Indian census number on the "crossing" movie, I can state that the 50 million figure has been around for a number of years. I did a late 60's paper on pre-white Indians and post-white abuse a great number of years ago and the figure was available then in most university libraries however, it is usually stated as the number for the "Americas" since more information is known about South and Central America as opposed to the North America we are so familiar with. The great culprit, as indicated in the movie, was disease. Here in Alaska 2/3 of the Native population was lost during the late 30's and 40's due primarily to tuberculosis. This movie has brought to light a new slant to Plymouth's joint-venture settlement. Let's hope history books adapt accordingly. Jim Crippen ----- Original Message ----- From: joyce moore <[email protected]> Date: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:56 pm Subject: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing To: [email protected] > I meant to comment on one thing that was said by one of the > commentators. One of them mentioned that there were 50 million > Indians living in America when the Pilgrims came over. I sincerely > question that. We only have 300 million now after 400 years of > constant immigration and having children. I have never heard that > figure in my life. > > I also question the comment about the fact that we force the > Indians to live by our ways and not the way they really want to. Do > they want to go back to riding horses, hunting game, washing in > streams, or what did she have in mind? I love the computer where I > can find anything I want and correspond with people, cars and > planes, central heat and air, grocery stores, washers and driers, > etc. I really question some things that people say in some of these > documentaries. I wish she had said what she is willing to give up. > > Joyce Moore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Don't forget about all the Native Americans who died of smallpox after having been given smallpox-infested blankets by the white soldiers. This is what they were told to do by the government. Just another incidence of genocide. Colleen James Crippen <[email protected]> wrote: Joyce Moore: Although I did not notice the pre-white Indian census number on the "crossing" movie, I can state that the 50 million figure has been around for a number of years. I did a late 60's paper on pre-white Indians and post-white abuse a great number of years ago and the figure was available then in most university libraries however, it is usually stated as the number for the "Americas" since more information is known about South and Central America as opposed to the North America we are so familiar with. The great culprit, as indicated in the movie, was disease. Here in Alaska 2/3 of the Native population was lost during the late 30's and 40's due primarily to tuberculosis. This movie has brought to light a new slant to Plymouth's joint-venture settlement. Let's hope history books adapt accordingly. Jim Crippen ----- Original Message ----- From: joyce moore Date: Friday, November 24, 2006 9:56 pm Subject: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing To: [email protected] > I meant to comment on one thing that was said by one of the > commentators. One of them mentioned that there were 50 million > Indians living in America when the Pilgrims came over. I sincerely > question that. We only have 300 million now after 400 years of > constant immigration and having children. I have never heard that > figure in my life. > > I also question the comment about the fact that we force the > Indians to live by our ways and not the way they really want to. Do > they want to go back to riding horses, hunting game, washing in > streams, or what did she have in mind? I love the computer where I > can find anything I want and correspond with people, cars and > planes, central heat and air, grocery stores, washers and driers, > etc. I really question some things that people say in some of these > documentaries. I wish she had said what she is willing to give up. > > Joyce Moore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MAYFLOWER- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************************************** Don't miss this website if you like to read. --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited.

I don't doubt that figure at all. They had a lot more than 400 years to establish their population. I would think that is a conservative figure, if anything. ----- Original Message ----- From: "joyce moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing > I meant to comment on one thing that was said by one of the commentators. One of them mentioned that there were 50 million Indians living in America when the Pilgrims came over. I sincerely question that. We only have 300 million now after 400 years of constant immigration and having children. I have never heard that figure in my life. > > I also question the comment about the fact that we force the Indians to live by our ways and not the way they really want to. Do they want to go back to riding horses, hunting game, washing in streams, or what did she have in mind? I love the computer where I can find anything I want and correspond with people, cars and planes, central heat and air, grocery stores, washers and driers, etc. I really question some things that people say in some of these documentaries. I wish she had said what she is willing to give up. > > Joyce Moore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 177 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com

I didn't get to see this - it was on 9:00 until midnite out here and again from 1:00 am - 4:00 am. What kind of foolish programming puts a three hour presentation on so late? Even the repeating on Thanksgiving Day was at the same times as the original broadcast! I appreciate the reviews and comments here. I wish they had repeated it at a reasonable hour. And no, I don't have TIVO or other recording capabailities because there is very rarely anything I wish to record. This was an exception. Blessings, Father John http://www.grandmemories.com (Grand Memories Photo Restorations) _________________________________________________________________ Fixing up the home? Live Search can help http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=WLMTAG

Desperate Crossing is on again tomorrow and again in December..................http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&epis odeId=194107 Here's a teacher's guide that is also interesting: http://a614.g.akamai.net/7/614/2201/v002/aetn.download.akamai.com/2201/thc/c lassroom/pdfs/desperate_crossing_study_guide.pdf Grace

Arthur J. Ray, professor of history at the University of British Columbia in his 1996 book `I Have Lived Here Since the World Began' says "slightly more than 500,000 people" occupied what is now Canada. This is up from estimates that were made earlier in the century (in 1970, J.M.S. Careless quoted a figure of 220,000 for Canada). But Dr Ray, as do most scholars, according to his book, rejects the estimates that there were over 1 million natives in Canada. If the current trend of the US population being ten times that of Canada can be assumed when the Mayflower arrived, 50 million would be a bit high for North America but probably not for the entire hemisphere. Mike More [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Linda Smith Sent: November 25, 2006 12:05 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing I don't doubt that figure at all. They had a lot more than 400 years to establish their population. I would think that is a conservative figure, if anything. ----- Original Message ----- From: "joyce moore" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 12:13 AM Subject: [MFLR] Desperate Crossing > I meant to comment on one thing that was said by one of the commentators. One of them mentioned that there were 50 million Indians living in America when the Pilgrims came over. I sincerely question that. We only have 300 million now after 400 years of constant immigration and having children. I have never heard that figure in my life. > > I also question the comment about the fact that we force the Indians to live by our ways and not the way they really want to. Do they want to go back to riding horses, hunting game, washing in streams, or what did she have in mind? I love the computer where I can find anything I want and correspond with people, cars and planes, central heat and air, grocery stores, washers and driers, etc. I really question some things that people say in some of these documentaries. I wish she had said what she is willing to give up. > > Joyce Moore > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 177 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message