Steven, you caught me off guard but I found a couple of places. Look below your note. Lois Kortering ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins >> 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for >> holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; >> > Lois Kortering > > We are descendants of Stephen Hopkins and am interested in where the above > tidbit comes from. We are always looking for the latest bits of proved > data on Stephen..... > > Also, What source/book/etc. would the list consider as the latest and > accurate writings regarding our Stephen? > > Thank you. > r/Steven Mitchell --------------------------------- Steven, I found this on the Pilgrim Hall Museum website: http://www.pilgrimhall.org/ I had copied the entire "Stephen Hopkins in the Records of the 17th Century" but did not copy the name of the website. However, I recognized the fonts used as being Pilgrim Hall Museum. Click on "Beyond the Pilgrim Story" Arrow down to Stephen Hopkins and click on Biography. See this sentence at the bottom: "How do we know about Stephen Hopkins? >From the records of the 17th century. For a look at all the 17th century records that pertain to Stephen Hopkins, click HERE." Use your Edit, and then, Find, and type "Hopkins" so you can find the two incidents that happened January 2 and October 2, which I have copied at the bottom of this e-mail. Or, this link will take you right to the page "Stephen Hopkins in the Records of the 17th Century" http://www.pilgrimhall.org/hopkinsstephenrecords.htm --------------------------- 2 October 1637 : "Presentments, for Grand Inquest. "Mr Stephen Hopkins, first psentment, (for suffering men to drink in his house vpon the Lords day, before the meeting be ended, and also vpon the Lords day, both before 7 after the meeting, servants & others to drink more then for ordinary refreshing) is respited vntill the next Court, that the testimony of John Barnes be had therein. "Mr Steephen Hopkins, psented for suffering servants and others to sit drinkeing in his house, (contrary to the orders of this Court,) and to play at shouell board, & such like misdemeanors, is therefore fined fourty shillings." Plymouth Colony Records, Vol. 1, p. 68. * * * 2 January 1637 : "Presentment by the Grand Jury." 1. William Reynolds is psented for being drunck at Mr Hopkins his house, that he lay vnder the table, vomitting in a beastly manner, and was taken vp betweene two. The witness hereof is Abraham Warr, als Hoop, als Pottle, and sayth that there was in company Francis Sprague, Samuell Nash, & Georg Partrich. 2. Mr Hopkins is psented for sufferinge excessiue drinking in his house, as old Palmer, James Coale, & William Renolds, John Winslow, Widdow Palmers man, Widdow Palmer, Thomas Little, witnesss & Stepheen Travy." Plymouth Colony Records, Vol. 1, p. 75. ------------------------------ Also, Ann McGovern's delightful children's book, "If You Sailed on the Mayflower in 1620" makes no attempt to cover up or leave out the fact that when the Mayflower ship sailed it was loaded with barrels of drinking water and barrels of beer, because they knew that the water would not be fit to drink after just so many months, but the beer would still be safe to drink, so the children were served beer as a beverage with their meals. Ann McGovern tells all about the "Naughty Boy" Billington, too! There is another story about Steven Hopkins being arrested and/or fined, because he covered up the fact that one of his woman servants got pregnant and she wasn't married, but I cannot find that story right now. It seems that Hopkins wanted to help the woman and be kind to her. Stephen Hopkins also held dances at his house for the young people. I think that is just great! It's a much better idea than letting them go off into the woods or down to the beach at night! Oh, I just noticed that in the #2 incident under 2 January 1637, it mentions Thomas Little! He must be the Thomas Little who married Anna Warren, 2nd-born daughter of Richard Warren and Elizabeth Walker. Oh, shame on Thomas! Their daughter Hannah was born about 1637, and you mean to tell me that Thomas Little "dared" to mingle with the guys who would drink a bit of the barley water? I also descend from Hannah and it doesn't bother me at all to read such stories. They were just ordinary people but they did have their religious beliefs and tried to live a good life. If anyone finds any more, just let us know! Lois Kortering -------------------------------

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Also see Stratton's "Plymouth Colony." He gives much of this using the Plymouth Church Records 2 volumes as sources. Stacy Wood -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lois Kortering Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 1:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins Steven, you caught me off guard but I found a couple of places. Look below your note. Lois Kortering ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 9:07 AM Subject: [MFLR] Stephen Hopkins >> 1. Stephen Hopkins, who was arrested for serving beer on Sundays and for >> holding dances to keep the teenagers out of trouble; >> > Lois Kortering > > We are descendants of Stephen Hopkins and am interested in where the above > tidbit comes from. We are always looking for the latest bits of proved > data on Stephen..... > > Also, What source/book/etc. would the list consider as the latest and > accurate writings regarding our Stephen? > > Thank you. > r/Steven Mitchell --------------------------------- Steven, I found this on the Pilgrim Hall Museum website: http://www.pilgrimhall.org/ I had copied the entire "Stephen Hopkins in the Records of the 17th Century" but did not copy the name of the website. However, I recognized the fonts used as being Pilgrim Hall Museum. Click on "Beyond the Pilgrim Story" Arrow down to Stephen Hopkins and click on Biography. See this sentence at the bottom: "How do we know about Stephen Hopkins? >From the records of the 17th century. For a look at all the 17th century records that pertain to Stephen Hopkins, click HERE." Use your Edit, and then, Find, and type "Hopkins" so you can find the two incidents that happened January 2 and October 2, which I have copied at the bottom of this e-mail. Or, this link will take you right to the page "Stephen Hopkins in the Records of the 17th Century" http://www.pilgrimhall.org/hopkinsstephenrecords.htm --------------------------- 2 October 1637 : "Presentments, for Grand Inquest. "Mr Stephen Hopkins, first psentment, (for suffering men to drink in his house vpon the Lords day, before the meeting be ended, and also vpon the Lords day, both before 7 after the meeting, servants & others to drink more then for ordinary refreshing) is respited vntill the next Court, that the testimony of John Barnes be had therein. "Mr Steephen Hopkins, psented for suffering servants and others to sit drinkeing in his house, (contrary to the orders of this Court,) and to play at shouell board, & such like misdemeanors, is therefore fined fourty shillings." Plymouth Colony Records, Vol. 1, p. 68. * * * 2 January 1637 : "Presentment by the Grand Jury." 1. William Reynolds is psented for being drunck at Mr Hopkins his house, that he lay vnder the table, vomitting in a beastly manner, and was taken vp betweene two. The witness hereof is Abraham Warr, als Hoop, als Pottle, and sayth that there was in company Francis Sprague, Samuell Nash, & Georg Partrich. 2. Mr Hopkins is psented for sufferinge excessiue drinking in his house, as old Palmer, James Coale, & William Renolds, John Winslow, Widdow Palmers man, Widdow Palmer, Thomas Little, witnesss & Stepheen Travy." Plymouth Colony Records, Vol. 1, p. 75. ------------------------------ Also, Ann McGovern's delightful children's book, "If You Sailed on the Mayflower in 1620" makes no attempt to cover up or leave out the fact that when the Mayflower ship sailed it was loaded with barrels of drinking water and barrels of beer, because they knew that the water would not be fit to drink after just so many months, but the beer would still be safe to drink, so the children were served beer as a beverage with their meals. Ann McGovern tells all about the "Naughty Boy" Billington, too! There is another story about Steven Hopkins being arrested and/or fined, because he covered up the fact that one of his woman servants got pregnant and she wasn't married, but I cannot find that story right now. It seems that Hopkins wanted to help the woman and be kind to her. Stephen Hopkins also held dances at his house for the young people. I think that is just great! It's a much better idea than letting them go off into the woods or down to the beach at night! Oh, I just noticed that in the #2 incident under 2 January 1637, it mentions Thomas Little! He must be the Thomas Little who married Anna Warren, 2nd-born daughter of Richard Warren and Elizabeth Walker. Oh, shame on Thomas! Their daughter Hannah was born about 1637, and you mean to tell me that Thomas Little "dared" to mingle with the guys who would drink a bit of the barley water? I also descend from Hannah and it doesn't bother me at all to read such stories. They were just ordinary people but they did have their religious beliefs and tried to live a good life. If anyone finds any more, just let us know! Lois Kortering ------------------------------- ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message