Thank you for going into more detail about that. Some of this I did not know but people tend to sometimes be too technical in genealogy when speaking of land and states and counties etc. More people should look at maps and/or renderings of the United States back in the 1600-1700's and even up to the 1800's. There was like the North, South and the West which consisted of nothing much past Illinois and Indiana really. I'm exaggerating obviously but thank you for reminding me and everyone else that Virginia was not the state we know it as now. Janean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of James Crippen Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:29 PM To: Robert Luce; [email protected] Subject: Re: [MFLR] Connection of Mayflower Passengers with Jamestown, Virginia Carole Kennedy: The "Crossings" movie touched lightly on what King James in England considered the Crown's lands in America at the time of the Pilgrims crossing.. Think of Florida as settled by Spain and present Nova Scotia as settled by the French.. England considered some point north of Florida as the southernmost point of "Virginia" and argued for all the land north to the St Laurence River.. All American crown land initally was known as "Virginia". Remember that land, for the most part, in Europe and Britian was crown owned , not individual owned. (Not to get too far off track, but early New York State was settled under this burger principal, huge land grants as opposed to individual plots.) The crown granted the Plymouth colony backers a colony position somewhere in Northern Virginia. This should give you a concept of how poorly the vastness of America was understood in Europe and Britian and also a remarkable appreciation for the seamanship of this Mayflower crew. They landed near one of the few known landmarks of "Northern Virginia", the cape, although their goal was closer to the Hudson River they did settle west of the cape. Think of the east coast of America as having Nova Scotia, Virginia and Florida. I know there are more details germane to the discussion and surely some quasi geography professor will summon up the courage to describe the Pilgrims quest in more detail, soon. This Nova Scotia, Virginia, Florida principle will hold until defeated. Incidentally, the Nova Scotia area was held initally by the French so you had French America, British America and Spanish America. The French and Indian War some few years later resolved borders more along the lines as we know them today. The F & I War also displaced the French from Nova Scotia who re-settled in Louisianna. While your question may be elementary it has not been addressed in some time. We get a few more "newbie" Mayflower family scholars each year with varing levels of geographic expertise. Ask away. We are all here to help. Regards, JC3 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Luce <[email protected]> Date: Sunday, December 3, 2006 8:53 am Subject: Re: [MFLR] Connection of Mayflower Passengers with Jamestown, Virginia To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > The pilgrims original destination was indeed Virginia, however, not > the Virginia we think of today. They had planned to start a settlement > on the very northern boundary of what was then called Virginia, the > southern bank of the Hudson River. > > Saturday, December 2, 2006, 5:23:52 PM, you wrote: > > > I've read that the original destination of the Mayflower was > Virginia rather > > than Plymouth. > > > I'm sorry to ask such an elementary question, but were there > family > > connections between the early Virginia settlers and Plymouth > Colony settlers? > > > Thanks, > > > Carol Kennedy > > -- > Robert Luce <[email protected]> > On ne voit bien qu'avec le coeur. > L'essentiel est invisible pour les yeux. > -Antoine de Saint Exupéry > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe [email protected] from the list, please send an > email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe [email protected] from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message