Dear Christie, You wrote: > I also have a problem with the marriage date between John and Patience > Bonham. I have Patience Faunce dying 1697, which is after the marriage to > Patience Bonham. I'm suspecting the 1681 date is possibly incorrect. I suspect the > marriage should be about 1698, if she is, indeed, the second wife; because > the confusion comes about with the child Sarah who is suppose to be baptized > 1690. This is 9 years before the death of Patience Faunce. However, in > checking Torrey 1st supplemental it definitely says the marriage to Patience > Faunce was 1661 and to Patience Bonham c.1681 as her second marriage as well. > > Mayflower 18:1:70 says Sarah was baptized 1690 and daughter of John and > Patience (Bonham) Holmes and that is a given. Even though she was baptized in > 1690, this means she was born before 1690 or thereabouts. Still making her > birth during the life of Patience Faunce. > Actually, I'm having a problem with what you wrote above. I think you need to find a source for the death date (1697) you show for Patience Faunce, the first wife of John Holmes. I find nothing to support this. It was John Holmes who died in 1697, as found in [MD 16:63] "John Holmes Senior deceased on the last of July 1697" From the Great Migration Begins: JOHN HOLMES, b. say 1636; m. (1) Plymouth 20 November 1661 Patience Faunce [PCR 8:22], daughter of JOHN FAUNCE; m. (2) about 1681 Patience (Bonham) Willis, widow of Richard Willis [NGSQ 74:87-89]. You yourself cited Torrey's Supplemental, which agrees with GMB. The marriage record of John Holmes to Patience Faunce is also found in [MD 17:183]. Patience Bonham had married Richard Willis 28 Dec 1670 [MD 18:68] Plymouth Colony Vital Records [MD 25:30-35] A series of Plymouth deeds shows that Patience Bonham was the daughter of George and Sarah Bonham, the mother of Ruhamah Willis who married Ebenezer Rogers, and that after the death of Richard Willis, she married a Holmes. [See Plymouth County Deeds 3:174] Patience holmes 'quit-claimed' her right to the property in question on 22 Dec 1699, and the deed was recorded on 18 Jan 1699 O.S., 28 Jan 1700 N.S. > Mayflower 18:1:70 says Sarah was baptized 1690 and daughter of John and >> Patience (Bonham) Holmes and that is a given. > This is from "Mayflower" what? I looked in the Mayflower Descendant, Volume 18, on page 70 and/or 170, but could find no such baptismal record. Could you please be more specific. > Also, is it possible that the date of Patience Faunce's death is incorrect? > Yes. It appears that this is the case in point. Best regards, Pam Sears