Microfish7: John Homes father of Nathaniel Microfish7: Is he the grandfather of OUR Nathaniel Jr? I have the line of descent as: John Holmes "Anne" b. 1611 had at least two children. I suspect he had more and the reasons is this: He had a John, the one who married Patience Faunce and Patience Bonham about 1636. Then I have Nathaniel who married Patience's sister, Mercy Faunce born in 1643. As you can see there is a 7 year gap between the two children. To me, this signals there are more children somewhere along the line, either living or deceased. At the earliest, I suspect the 1611 John could have been married about 1631, at age 20, which is my average that I give people for marriage, or later if the woman (or girl as the case may be) a man marries is much younger, then the marriage will take place when he is older than 20. However, the Great Migration only gives the 1611 John credit for potentially two children and no more. I'm sending you a descendants list from my files. It's in Rich Text format so Word will open it. In looking at the report it appears to be following first the child John and his second wife's children by Patience Bonham. I'm not showing any children for Patience Faunce, only Patience Bonham. I also have a problem with the marriage date between John and Patience Bonham. I have Patience Faunce dying 1697, which is after the marriage to Patience Bonham. I'm suspecting the 1681 date is possibly incorrect. I suspect the marriage should be about 1698, if she is, indeed, the second wife; because the confusion comes about with the child Sarah who is suppose to be baptized 1690. This is 9 years before the death of Patience Faunce. However, in checking Torrey 1st supplemental it definitely says the marriage to Patience Faunce was 1661 and to Patience Bonham c.1681 as her second marriage as well. Mayflower 18:1:70 says Sarah was baptized 1690 and daughter of John and Patience (Bonham) Holmes and that is a given. Even though she was baptized in 1690, this means she was born before 1690 or thereabouts. Still making her birth during the life of Patience Faunce. What we don't have are some serious dates for her parents and grandparents. So everything is pure speculation at this point unless and until we can find some concrete evidence for dates. Also, is it possible that the date of Patience Faunce's death is incorrect? Christie Trapp

At 11:40 PM 12/11/2006, Christie Trapp wrote: >John Holmes "Anne" b. 1611 had at least two children. Christie - John Holmes was probably born about 1636, as he married first Patience Faunce 20-Nov-1661 [Plymouth VR 663, PCR 8:22]. He had six children by his first wife and five by his second. The standard reference for this man and his descendants is Eugene A. Stratton, "Descendants of Mr. John Holmes, Messenger of the Plymouth Court" [NGSQ, 74 [1986]:83-110, 203-223; Additions 77 [1989]:143-144]. Dale H. Cook, Member, NEHGS and MA Society of Mayflower Descendants; Plymouth Co. MA Coordinator for the USGenWeb Project http://members.cox.net/plymouthcolony/index.shtml